I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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|15 hours 45 min ago||Last year's record didn't indicate significant losses?||
Didn't they lose 6 games after they lost a bunch of guys last year? Also, it has been mostly the middle of that defense that has made them so strong, which now graduates. Personally I expect them to do the same next year...show the loss of a bunch of guys. We'll see if they can overcome a .500-type season (again) now that Hoke has had a full recruiting cycle behind him. I see the UM/MSU world slowly returning to normalcy in the next 3 seasons as Hoke's recruits get older, Narduzzi leaves, and MSU graduates this class.
|16 hours 10 min ago||I was a little disapointed at first||
I was a little disapointed at first, but I think this is a great opportunity for UM. They get a preseason top 5 team from the SEC. A chance to show the B1G can compete with the best...a team that should have beaten the team playing in the NCG (Auburn). A win here, and even a good showing, could be good for the brand, the conference, recruiting, and the like. With time to practice for a young team I expect a good showing.
|16 hours 43 min ago||IDK about an eye for talent||
If you would have said player development I could understand, but to say Dantonio has an eye for talent that other coaches do not doesn't make much sense to me. They offer many of the guys on our team and simply dont get them. They offered RJS, Wormley, Ross, Funchess, Ojemudia, Braden, Godin, Strobel, Williams, and Norfleet. And, that's just the 2012 class. They take the best talent they can get, just like everyone else. They just develop them better than us so far, and have a consistent system in place.
|17 hours 35 min ago||I tend to agree||
I think Dantonio loves sticking it to UM so much that he'll never go anywhere. I think he thrives as the underdog. Although I think there's a fair chance Narduzzi leaves sonner rather than later. But, I think this whole wish this coach or that coach would leave for (insert NFL or non-B1G team here) is a bit wishful thinking. Ultimately there will always be Pete Carrolls, Urban Meyers, Jim Tressels, Nick Sabans, Mark Dantonios etc. somewhere. If UM is ever going to be what we want them to be we have to be able to beat these coaches. You can't wish for them to go away, you have to accept the challenge and face it head on.
|17 hours 39 min ago||Edit||
I got a little trigger happy. I edited the post. But, they actually won 5 of the last 6.
|1 day 2 hours ago||Worry not||
The last time we play ND for a while is next year. So, things just got 1/3 better for you.
|1 day 11 hours ago||It only takes one to blow coverage||
I think Wilson will be pretty good as an individual. I don't think he's ready to be a leader, make defensive calls, be good enough to make up for a younger safety opposite him, etc. It only takes one safety mess up to blow a coverage. We will be young at safety next year unless Furman plays, but I'm not sure that's a good thing.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Wilson played more than Thomas and is bigger||
Wilson played in 10 games as a backup safety his freshman year. Thomas did not take a single snap at safety this season. Also, Wilson was a little more physicaly developed than Thomas currently is. It didn't hurt to learn under Kovacs. Wilson was probably our second best safety this year, but that's not saying much. He was better than Furman and a small CB (Avery). Thomas may very well play next year, but I wouldn't expect him to be anything more than servicable. How many true sophomores play well at safety? Both Peppers and Clark seem a little more developed than Thomas does at this point. I agree he's the safety of the future. But, I think he needs a year of backup duty before he takes over. I could be wrong. This is purely speculation.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Thank you||
Thank you for doing that. I have lived in the Northeast for quite some time. Unfortunatley I see more OSU fans than UM fans. Every single one of them annoys the living heck out of me. I can't imagine what you must go through.
|1 day 14 hours ago||2 Reasons||
I didn't go to UM, my Dad did. I was born in AA, but moved away when I was young. I became a fan from my parents. My parents were at the '76 Orange Bowl with UM vs Okla when UM got beat. So, I sorta inherited that one. My parents still cringe at the OU fight song. Plus, I lived in Texas for 10 years as a kid and sorta passively rooted for UT ever since, at least as far as Big 12 rooting interests goes. I personally really liked UT in the Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Vince Young years (minus the '05 Rose Bowl) and OU was really good then too, so I pretty much hated them. Plus Stoops is an Ohio guy.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Team hate||
There are a handfull of teams I really hate rooting for. The short list is OSU, MSU, ND, USC, FSU, Bama, & Okla. I really hate it when the world forces me to root for one of these teams just to keep OSU out of a national title. With that said go Sparty & Noles!
|1 day 15 hours ago||I agree but||
I am nervous about our safeties next year. Thomas didn't get a single snap at safety all year. I'm sure Wilson will be one of our safeties and I expect him to be pretty good next year. But, I think Furman, Clark or even Peppers if he comes are more likely to be our starting safety against App State. Maybe Thomas works his way into the lineup as the season progresses, but I wouldn't expect too much of him next year.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Kid likes to hit||
He reminds me of James Ross. In a way I almost wish he was 6'2" 230 so he could play linebacker. I didn't get to see a whole lot of defensive ball skills or coverage skills in that video though. I have to assume we are going to play him at corner. How are his coverage skills? He's obviously tough, athletic, and a hard hitter.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Stars||
Yeah, agreed. Here are the list of 3-star guys on offense or on the 2-deep on defense. Braden, Godin, Chesson, Darboh, AJ Williams, Jeremy Clark, Willie Henry, Dennis Norfleet, Desmond Morgan, Frank Clark, Ramon Taylor, Graham Glasgow, Josh Furman, Channing Stribling, Ryan Glasgow, and Richard Ash. I think that's more 3-stars than 4-stars. And there is only one 5-star and we hasn't even signed yet (maybe 2 if you consider Green a 5-star).
Edit: Sorry, I forgot to include our top overall player who is a 3-star JMFR.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Did you read this blog preseason?||
If you read this blog pre-season many thought we would go 11-1 or 10-2. A few realist, myself included thought we'd go 9-3 and a small handfull figured maybe 8-4 if things got bad. I don't think anyone expected 7-5. None of these games next year are un-winnable. OSU loses Hyde and 4 offensive lineman. True we never win in Columbus, but this is the best chance we've had in a while. Same for MSU. I don't think they have the defense any longer without the DTs, Allen, Bullough, Denard, and Lewis. I think we win at MSU. On paper we should win 9 games, two are tossups (ND and MSU), and we should lose one (OSU). So, if you go by that we should go anywhere from 9-3 to 11-1. My hunch is we lose some we shouldn't and win a few we shouldn't, but still go 9-3.
|1 day 18 hours ago||This thread||
I think the whole train of thought of this thread is setting yourself up for disapointment. Why ask what is unacceptable? You are already setting yourself up for it. If you want to speculate wouldn't it make more sense to say what you think is possible or at least likely versus what is unacceptable? This doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a realist by all accounts.
|1 day 20 hours ago||On the bright side...||
At least turnovers and the pass rush aren't the problem!
|1 day 20 hours ago||Why would he leave?||
Off the top of my head, an incredibly high standard of winning a national title every year and go undefeated to keep the fans happy. Anything less is a failure. Imagine what would happen if he had a pretty darned good year by going 10-2? Fire Saban! I'm sorta joking here because if anyone is capable of keeping those on the outside from being a distraction it's Saban, but nonetheless he is still human...I think. It has to have an effect, even if less so than other mortal men.
|1 day 21 hours ago||I don't think pay is the issue||
Hoke is the 8th highest paid coach in the country. Hoke makes $4.1 mil and Meyer makes $4.6. Mattison is the 9th highest paid coordinator at $758K and Fickell is the 8th at $761K. Frustratingly I can't put my hands quickly on offensive coordinator pay as I'm trying to get out the door, but if I recall Borges is also a top 10 coordinator in terms of overall pay in the $700K range. So, I don't think money is the issue, unless you're saying our position coahces pay isn't high enough. That we'd have to look further into. But, Brandon got his guy based on his own criteria and I don't think money is the problem. Hoke chose his coordinators, position coaches, etc.
|2 days 43 min ago||I don't blame any of them||
I don't blame Saban, I don't blame Hand, and I don't blame Peppers. We are in a competition and we have to beat our opponent. If UM as a staff, program, school, product, etc. cannot beat our opponent (Bama, OSU, whoever) in this recruiting competition then we don't deserve the result of success.
|2 days 58 min ago||Maybe||
Maybe if we whip Georgia in the bowl all these kids will stop reconsidering their verbal committments.
|2 days 1 hour ago||I'm cautiosly optimistic||
MSU, OSU, PSU, NW...none of these teams will be great next year which is good for us. ND will be tough on the road. PSU we finally get at home. OSU will be tough, but always is. MSU loses a lot on defense. NW loses Colter. I see us as a 9-3 team next year. With the conference as weak as I expect, we could contend for a conference championship, but we still won't be a great team. I have faith, but I think we're more than a year away.
Next year if we stay healthy we should take a step forward and continue to improve. But, we still have questions marks. We will still be a bend but don't break style of defense because we simply don't have enough talent. I really think we need our talent to get older before we become what we want. Are guys like Gordon, Taylor, Clark, Morgan, Beyer servicable...sure. But we need the younger more talented (if you go by recruiting rankings) guys like Wilson, Charlton, Ross, Wormley, Thomas, Pipkins, etc. to become Jrs and Srs before we are really gonna be good on defense. I think the same goes for our offensive line guys like Kalis, Bosch, Kugler, Dawson, etc. before we'll have a good running game.
|2 days 1 hour ago||What do you mean?||
Are you saying there isn't a big difference between #3 and #6 (OSU and UM according to ESPN last year) or there isn't a big difference between #1 and #10? Because for example UM only had one guy ranked over 84 (Green) whereas Bama had 10 (and OSU had 8). I think that's a pretty big difference. Derrick Green was our highest rated recruit by far and that was a big deal for UM to finally land a guy like that, whereas OSU has 8 of them and Bama has 10.
While I agree with you on coaching the offense (maybe head coaching too, but I'm reserving judgement on that for now), I'm not certain OSU holds any coaching prowess edge on the defensive side of the ball.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Try the summer||
We usually recruit pretty well then.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Sounds familiar||
I feel like this is becoming a trend. We start strong, OSU starts slow, but at the end of the day OSU takes over and finishies a few spots ahead of UM. On the one hand it's good to get top classes. On the other hand it's hard to ever overcome a rival that is already better than you if you can't out-recruit them. Unfortunately we will always be fighting this uphill battle as there is simply more talent in OH than MI. Hopefully our young talent starts to produce more wins on the field soon so can be the onces flipping top kids late. Maybe next year it can be UM flipping Webb instead of OSU flipping Crawford. Well, that's my hope anyways.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Good point||
When you put it that way it really puts it into perspective.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Ahhh||
That makes me feel a little better now after having had a disagreement with M-Wolverine in the past. His style of "argument" rubbed me the wrong way. Also, I feel like he had a heck of a lot of posts in a relatively short time. I think his start date was pretty similar to mine, but he had like five times the number of posts.
|2 days 14 hours ago||I agree||
Yeah, I agree, probabaly because I tend lean to more of a pessimistic than optimistic point of view on most things. I would call myself a realist, and certainly not an optimist. I also tend to follow trends. If we always struggle with OSU I expect us to get beat by OSU. If Borges is inconsistent I expect him to be inconsistent. If we have been burned by one top defensive recruit I expect we'll probably get burned by the next one. Part of that is emotion. Negative emotions are stronger than positive ones. We remember the pain longer than the pleasure. It's completely natural and human to do this. That being said, pretty much anything positive or wishful thinking is typically upvoted whereas anything negative or pessimistic is typically downvoted regardless of it's accuracy, logic, or citations.
|2 days 14 hours ago||The hardest thing||
I think the hardest thing for most people is to be able to disagree respectfully. We all have different opinions that we have developed from our own perspective which is different for everyone. Some focus on facts, some focuse on experience in coaching, athletics, or the like, some have inside information, while some focus purely on emotion and the eye test of what limited knowledge they have from watching interviews and games on TV. For the most part, no one wants to be disagreed with or feel like they are not as smart, not as knowledgable, or wrong about anything. No one wants to lose an "argument". And, on the other side of that it can also be difficult to tactufully disagree with someone whom you believe and/or know is wrong. Put these ideas into a blender and often what comes out of any disagreement is a pissing match.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Eh||
Eh, fans will be fans. That's why we're all here. It's unrealistic to expect fans to point out the positives despite a result that is less than desired. People have to be who they are. Some are positive, some are pessimistic, some do research to analyze stuff, and some look to the future during times of our team's frustration. But, you can't expect someone to be someone they aren't.
I personally reserve the right to call for Borges head when I deem his coaching sucks, despite my complete lack of coaching knowledge. I won't disrespect players, but I will call it like I see it as a fan. We want to see our favorite team be successful because we all feel some slight piece of identity with the product we see on the field and when they are not successful we get frustrated and this is a forum to voice that frustration. That's all it is.
One thing I can say as a former college athlete, watching is much harder and more stressful than playing. As a fan all we do is watch and hope. As a player, if you've done your best, it's not that hard to brush off a loss and move on. It's much harder to do that as a fan. If any of our words actually has any real impact on a recruit that is at the very least weird. I know as an athlete no fans words that don't see inside the walls of day to day operations ever affected my actions.