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|3 hours 28 min ago||Seems like enough evidence to investigate||
To borrow a police phrase, it seems like enough to be "probable cause" to investigate. How many high school kids have hundreds of dollars?
|7 hours 13 min ago||Honest Question||
How do any of these pictures come up without significant national media scrutiny and NCAA invenstigations? Everyone sees it, don't the schools they are visiting and the athletes owe the NCAA an explanation?
|18 hours 14 min ago||That's my take too, but is there any evidence?||
Is there an online ranking system that goes back that far? Otherwise we are just speculating. There was a time when we could get our fair share of OH's top talent with guys like Grbac, Desmond Howard, and Woodson. That doesn't really happen any more. In fact, Meyer is much better at taking MI's best talent than the other way around. He's taken Damon Webb, Mike Weber, and Michael Jordan in the past 3 classes. I think Harbaugh will have to be very creative to overcome that if we expect to beat them on the field. So far he has been with sleepovers, climbing trees, taking his shirt off, doing camps down south, recruiting of the stars etc., but I don't know if that works long term with anyone not named Harbaugh.
|18 hours 26 min ago||That's a good point I think, but we haven't done that either||
That's a good point...I think. I have no idea what our recruiting looked like in the late 80s and 90s for example when we were beating them. I'm sure recruiting rankings existed, but there weren't as accessible, so who knows. Also the 85 scholarship rule didn't exist until 1992 and social media and the internet has changed recruiting quite a bit, so I'm not sure those are fair comparisions. But, back then OSU was playing a pro style with pocket passers. Ever since they went to using more mobile QBs with T. Smith, Pryor, Miller, & now Barrett we have not fared so well.
I think I agree, but we also haven't been in the same ballpark for more than 2 consecutive years (since internet recruiting tracking became accessable). So, I think we are kinda making the same point. If we are withen a few class rankings for 4 straight years, sure we'll probably do OK as long as we find an answer for the mobile QB. Their offense under Meyer seems to be pretty reliable in terms of putting up points The jury is still out on our system since the players to fit it are still being built. Nonetheless, if we can only match them for a few years only to have the other 2 years be way better than ours it will never work. There is still quite a bit of time before we will know.
|19 hours 47 min ago||Probably a little of both||
And sprinkle in some bad luck, injuries, and poor decisions by players.
|20 hours 32 min ago||Can't wait to have a proven quantity at QB||
It's been a while since we've had a QB that can throw, and in a system that can utilize his strengths. My hunch is Harbaugh will keep the QB competition behind closed doors until the first game. It makes me nervous breaking into another QB without a track record of success, but hopefully with next year's defense he won't be asked to do too much against the majority of our opponents.
|21 hours 42 min ago||What I see||
We are basically even, or very close to OSU this year. On paper we also were in 2013, but that class was either way over-ranked or way underachieved. Lets look at some of our top rated guys from 2013 that underachieved.
Ben Gedeon - Is a senior next year and hasn't been a starter yet
Jaron Dukes - Not much needs to be said
Kyle Bosch - No longer on the team
Chris Fox - Medically retired
Shane Morris - Entering his 4th season without much contribution
Taco Charlton - Entering his senior season. Has made some contributions, but not enough to live up to to a top 150 player.
Mike McCray - Entering his senior season without playing a meaningful snap
LTT - No longer on the team
Patrick Kugler - Appears to be being passed by younger guys...jury is still out
David Dawson -Same as Kugler
Dymonte Thomas - Was raw and showed flashes of athleticism, but hasn't contrubuted a whole lot for a recruit of his ranking
Derrick Green - No longer on team
That's a pretty dismial level of production for some highly rated recruits. Now, fast forward 3 years assuming we continue to recruit at the same level as we are now and I think it all works itself out. But, IMO if we expect to do anything more than just be competitive with OSU we need to out-recruit them, which is something I haven't seen with any consistency in a long time. It's understandable that after winning a NC with Meyer and Harbaugh only finishing his first year that they'd out-recruit us. It's even encouraging that our classes were as close as they were. But, before we beat them on the field I believe we have to beat them in recruiting and that will take some thinking outside of the box, which Harbaugh is doing. So, we shall see.
|22 hours 15 min ago||There is no excuse for violence||
Not even my own stupidity :)
|5 days 18 hours ago||Bosa (2.0) vs Gary Question||
I'm wondering how people compare the two. I know Gary is listed as a DT, but I think he most likely plays end for UM, at least at first, and only slides inside as neccessary. I know there isn't much difference in their class rank. Gary was #1 and Bosa #3, but other than that I don't know much on the two's different skills sets. J. Bosa was phenomenal and it looks like the younger brother is just as good. Do we expect Gary to be as dominant against OSU as J. Bosa was against us or will their o-lines be better than ours the past few years?
|5 days 18 hours ago||Agreed!||
Agreed! When Glasgow went down, after losing Mone for the season, it really hurt us. Getting Gary helps, but that's why I think losing Henry is a really big deal. I wish we landed another d-tackle like Elliot or Tagaloa. Injuries happen every year and at some point it will hurt our ability to go 2-deep.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Bosa outperformance his recruiting ranking||
Bosa was around #50 overall with a number of D-lineman ahead of him like Nkemdiche, Lawson, Vanderdoes, Liner, Allen, Daniel, Williams, etc. But, based on his performance during games I think it's clear he was the top overall lineman. He may be the #1 overall pick in the draft. IMO we would all be very happy to have a Bosa level performance out of Gary.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Logic||
A poor performance with the absence of one (Glasgow) doesn't mean there wouldn't be an even worse performance with the absence of another, say Henry or Wormley.
|5 days 19 hours ago||No, he has potential and||
No, he has potential and size, but hasn't put that into results yet. In all fairness he's only played his true freshman year. How many guys make an immediate big impact on the d-line as a true freshman? Henry was our best lineman and Glasgow and Wormley were 2A and 2B IMO.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Godin on same level as Wormley?||
Really, you think Godin is on the same level as Wormley? I didn't see that at all watching games. Godin looked servicable, Wormely looked dominant at times.
|6 days 4 hours ago||Agree with SpikeFan here. If||
Agree with SpikeFan here. If it were in AA I'd guess we'd be a slight favorite, if played in Columbus I'd guess we'd be a slight underdog. This all depends on our records. OSU has a few difficult games as does UM, but I'd guess both teams are probably entering the game with 1 or 2 losses each. It should be very close and pretty much a wash from what I can tell, so I'd call them the favorite at home.
|6 days 18 hours ago||Peters||
It's been a long time since I was comfortable that if we were behind our QB could bring us back and win a game by throwing the ball. I'm not saying it never happened. Ruddock absolutely surprised me a number of times, but at the same time I sorta cringed a little bit with some of the balls he threw. I'm looking forward to having a QB that can win on his shoulders and be confident about it.
|6 days 18 hours ago||OSU/UM Matchups & Recruiting The Two States||
My personal opinion, and I know all the HARBAUGH! folks aren't gonna like this, but we need to beat them in recruiting before we can expect to beat them on the field. I love Harbaugh, and we had a phenomenal class. But, I don't believe that it is enough to be better than OSU's. We are still coming up short.
Now, I am fully aware and understanding of the fact tha tit takes time to rebuild. Harbaugh and the coaches did a phenomenal job with our offense this year, and the defense was already set up to succeed. Next year should be even better. Then, we're likely to have a rebuilding year in 2017, then who knows. But, based on what I see on the field OSU has an easier system to be successful and score points that we do, which means we have to be more talented than them to win head-to-head. So, until we are outrecruiting them, not just getting close, they will continue to beat us on the field IMHO.
I am hopeful this class, ie signing guys like Gary will springboard the 2017 kids, especially if we have a successful season on the field next year, which it looks like we will. We have some great players in-state next year too. But, we can't allow OSU and MSU to get a share of Michigan's top talent they way they have with guys like Webb, McDowell, Weber, Alabi, Jordan, Kareem to ND, etc. We have to make sure guys like Peoples-Jones, Malone-Hatcher, Thomas, Ross, & Powell are UM guys. If we only land one of those guys and the rest go to OSU, MSU, ND, or Bama for example we are going to have trouble out-recruiting OSU I think because they have more in-state talent than we do and they have better success signing the top MI recuits that we have the top OH recruits in the past few years.
|1 week 22 hours ago||Maine Perspective||
First of all you Maine haters STFU! Maine has a low population, not a ton of diversity, and is not known for producing many great athletes. But, Maine is a beautiful place. Many celebrities vacation in Maine, there are many natural beautiful places in Maine especially if you like the outdoors. Common Maine hot spots are Bar Harbor, Acadia National Park, the Old Port in Portland, Mt. Katahdin, & Kennebunkport to name a few.
As someone that was born in Ann Arbor and lived in Maine for quite some time I can tell you that most Mainers know as much about Michigan as Michigan folks know about Maine. As a high school teacher I see a lot of kids and I don't see many UM fans. I think as a matter of fact in my 3 years teaching so far I can only think of one kid that is a UM fan, but he only follows basketball.
In general though, New Englanders don't follow college football. They all love the NFL and root for the Patriots, but could care less about college football, which makes no sense to me, but is pretty common for anyone in the Northeast north of PA. You'll see a handful of OSU fans or Alabama fans because of their recent success, but in general unless you're a big football fan, people don't know much about college football, the B1G in general, or UM. I try to spread the word as much as possible and remind them all that Brady went to UM, but for the most part they are just indifferent to UM from what I see.
|1 week 6 days ago||Elliot Question||
I know Elliot was committed elsewhere, now and still is a UM commit, and we expect him to decommitt and commit to Texas. OK, so here's my question, does anyone know how the coaches feel about him?
It seems like the general consensus around here that we've given up on him, he's flaky, he's Chris Clark 2.0, etc. I don't totally buy that and think we should treat every kid individually. He's not Chris Clark even if they both have similar track records with committments. Does anyone know if the coaches are still recruiting him and/or how they feel about him? Is this a board consus that he's lost to UT or a coach consus?
I know what Steve Lorenz said on the update the other day, but is there any more info than that? He just seems like too good of a talent to let slip away, especially given the loss of Henry, and the extremely high demand for Gary.
Edit: He's decommitted
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Lets beat a rival before we get too cocky||
MSU was a fluke so OK I can see looking past them a little, but we got our butts handed to us by OSU with our supposed great defense doing little to slow them down.
I truely believe Harbaugh will compete with OSU and win his fair share unlike we've seen in the past 15 years, but I don't think we'll get there without matching them class for class in recruiting (or being withen a few rankings). I like what our coaches are doing in terms of scheme and development, but it's not like they've shown it to be superior to what OSU is doing or given us reason to believe we can beat them with less talent. We have to win with recruiting (or be close) to win on the field IMO.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I have one hope for this class||
That it's ranked better than OSU's. That hasn't happened in a while and would be our first victory over our rival that hopefully preceeds more to come on the field.
Even if that doesn't happen, the improvement in recruiting since the start of this recruiting season has been awesome and Harbaugh's classes will only get better.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||How does this effect Elliot,||
How does this effect Elliot, if at all?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Never liked cheap shots at any level||
Even if a cheap shot is in retaliation to another cheap shot. That's uncalled for and where injureis occur. But, people rarely get seriously injured real in fights with two willing combatants in hockey. A fair fight is all good in hocky in my book and if one party refuses to defend themselves after taking a run at an opponent, then so be it, that's their consequence for their behavior.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Bottom line||
No matter how far ahead UM is or how long they've been favored this is gonna be. dog fight. He's the #1 player in the country and everyone's gonna throw everything at him. Anyone will be lucky to get him and no one should assume he's going there until he signs.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Was so excited||
...we were getting Green after having to see V Smith get blown up over and over. I thought to myself, those days are over once we get Green. I thought we may be able to manball our rivals a little more. Well, obviously that didn't quite happen. In retrospect he was likely was overrated due to his size mismatch in high school. Still hope the young man sees success somewhere else.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||OSU/MSU/UM gap||
It's easy to see there's little to no gap between MSU/UM, or even one in favor of UM based on their game last season and what the two teams return in terms of talent. OSU/UM is a little harder to judge. There was a clear gap last season and while UM returns a lot and OSU looses a lot that does not mean that OSU's highlly recruited backups are any worse then UMs returning starters. OSU obviously has talent and reloads as they've recruited quite well, so it remains a question if there is a gap and how much it is. IMHO there is still a gap until proven otherwise based primarily on the fact that OSU never seems to have a down year, they have a returning proven QB, and they've out-recruited UM each of the past 4 years.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Lived in NY, CT, & PA||
I lived in PA, NY, and CT for quite some time. My take on CT & NY football fans is they don't give a darn about college football. They root for the Pats, Jets, and Giants. PA is another story, although they also root for their NFL affiliates, they also root for PSU primarily. But, I don't think their rooting interests are so strong that a highly sought out player wouldn't consider another school. They are not the same sort of juggernaut as OSU for example.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Yes, Wormley, Glasgow, Hurst,||
Yes, Wormley, Glasgow, Hurst, & Charlton have proven themselves as quality players. We all assume Mone will as well due to his recruiting profile, size, and practice buzz before his injury. But, he has yet to do much in college, so to assume he'll be as impactful as Henry for example is making a big assumption. After that Stroble, Pallante, and Godin saw time, but none look to have the ability to be more than a plug-in at this level. They aren't young any more, so they probably are what they are.
That means we are relying on RS freshman Shelton Johnson or Reuben Jones, who weighed in at 225 lbs as a freshman or Lawrence Marshall who did not see a snap all year. One of the RS Fr. has alreayd moved to MLB, but I forget which one. Beyond that we're hoping one of the true freshman...Gary, Kemp, Elliot, or Ron Johnson Jr. to be ready to compete as a true freshman.
I think we can count on 5 quality players for rotation (Wormley, Glasgow, Hurst, Charlton, and Mone), which is great if they stay healthy. But, if one goes down, particularly if we don't land Gary, we are looking at either a big drop off in talent, or asking guys to contribute before they're probably ready.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Assessing Injuries vs Analyzing Mechanisms of Injury||
As a strength coach it is outside of our scope of practice to assess injuries. This is what a doctor does, ie figuring out if an athlete tore an ACL vs strained it. However, it is well within it to speculate as to why an injury occured by analyzing the mechanism of injury, particularly when it comes to the biomechanics of the athlete. This helps the strength coach assess an athlete's susceptibility to injury, discover potential movement flaws, and address strategies to aviod future injury. In fact, numerous case studies of exactly this was a part of my graduate curriculum. If you can't do this as a strength coach you are missing out on a key component of your job...helping your athletes stay on the field. This is the #1 role of a strength coach.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Good luck to Willie||
I'm happy for him doing whatever he decides is best for himself. However, I do think this is a significant blow to our d-line. Getting Gary, if he's everything he's supposed to be, could mitigate this, and although our chances look good, it's by no means a sure thing. If everyone's healthy having Glasgow, Wormley, Mone, Charlton, & Hurst is still pretty danged good. But, Henry was at times our most dominant d-lineman and his presence will be really missed IMO. This keeps us from going 2-deep at every spot without much dropoff. Now, we'll probably have a good dropoff from whoever fills in as the second end (unless it's Gary). And, if we get injuries like last year on the line this could be troublesome.