At press time, Harbaugh had sent Michigan’s athletic department an envelope containing a heavily annotated seating chart, a list of the 63,000 seat views he had found unsatisfactory, and a glowing 70-page report on section 25, row 12, seat 9, which he claimed is “exactly what the great sport of football is all about.”
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|1 day 5 hours ago||Totally agree, it's nonsense||
Organic food is no more nutritious than its conventional counterparts. The idea that organic farming doesn’t use pesticides is pervasive, and has likely helped the massive growth of the organic industry. Organic farmers often have to use more so-called “natural” pesticides to achieve the same effect of synthetic pesticides. Just like conventional produce, organic produce shows pesticide residue in laboratory tests. IMO the pesticides used in organic farming are no safer than those used in conventional agriculture.
|1 day 5 hours ago||It's one thing to have a||
It's one thing to have a bias. Almost anyone interested enough in a topic to research it comes in with a bias. But, if you try to make the data support your bias or refuse to change your opinion in the face of conflicting data that's another story. "The willingness to change one’s mind in the light of new evidence is a sign of rationality not weakness." ~ Stuart Sutherland
|1 day 5 hours ago||I am a high school||
I am a high school teacher/adjunct college professor/strength coach and we can't communicate with current students via FB, but we can through Twitter. In fact, it's becoming quite popular for PE teachers to use Twitter to promote themselves, physical activity, workouts, athletics, etc. even post class updates like if weather cancels going outside for a unit or a reminder of an upcoming test. I'm not sure coaches are held to the same guidelines as it's in our code of conduct, but they could be.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Yup, totally. In my mind it||
Yup, totally. In my mind it should be that way against every opponent on our schedule minus OSU or an ND like pre-conference game. Maybe again some day.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Sure win!||
Northwestern at home...a win for sure unless Darnell Autry and Pat Fitzgerald suit up.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Adult fan of opposing teams...agree. ALL adults...disagree||
Maybe adult fans of other teams, sure I'd agree with that, but ALL adults, I'd disagree. If I was a high school football coach of a talented young player, say Treadwell tweeting pics of cash and women while referencing Ole Miss, I might speak up and respond to his tweet. Same if I was that kid's parents. Now, if I was a UM adult fan that didn't know him personally, not so much. But, what if I was a college student, say a few years older than the recruit, does that change it? I'm just saying it's not so cut and dry as you suggest.
|1 day 13 hours ago||I agree in principal, but not in rights||
I typically only use social media for posting exercise science type stuff, UM football type stuff, or motivational stuff. I rarely use it for things like complaining or airing my dirty laundry online. However, I will check-in places with my friends or girlfriend from time to time. I pretty much only use Twitter to follow recruiting and can probably count the number of tweets I have done on two hands. And, I have never tweeted at a recruit. I'm not even sure I've followed recruits because that's too troublesome. I just follow the guys that do recruiting like TVH, Sam Webb, etc. However, all that being said, this is America, and we have freedom of speech. And, something about saying you can't tweet at recruits doesn't sit well with me. Although I personally chose not to and wouldn't want UM fans doing it, I have a hard time saying you can't. I wouldn't call these kids famous, but within this small niche they are famous and that is the price of fame. They can't have their cake and eat it too. If they want all the attention and fanfare they get from being popular on Twitter they also have to be willing to face the negativity that may come from that. I don't support it, but I'm also not about to say you can't call out someone for being disingenous or disagree with what someone says, so long as you do so respectfully. If someone choses to put information out to the public via social media, then they open themselves up to criticism and/or judgement of that information. If I post an quote from a research study on Twitter supporting fasted cardio is best for fat loss I assume there's gonna be some disagreement and folks posting citations to research that contradicts it. That's fair to allow them the right to disagree.
|1 week 12 hours ago||Curious on the specifics of the injury||
I'd be curious to know what the actual injury was. I've only heard the generic "shoulder injury" statement. Did he tear one or more of the rotator cuff muscles, is he getting chronic dislocations, is the labrum damaged, was there a fracture, etc? Knowing that may have an impact on what he can do. He can for example effectively use the shoulder in limited ranges of motion, but may not the able to handle throwing at high velociteis or be able to stabalize in the lay back position. From the sounds of it the shoulder is healthy as he said he's been practicing at QB too, but I'd be curious.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Will be interesting to see||
I'll be curious to see how Miller pans out here. I've always thought he was a phenomenal athlete and very gifted runner (although not the best passer), so this is probably a good move. He is extremely difficult to square up and get a good hit on. I know Frank Clark blew him up once when he blind sided him in the pocket, but I don't think I've ever seen him take a big hit in the open field. He has amazing start/stop and change of direction ability for a guy his size. I haven't seen him catch the ball yet, so I'm not sure he can do that. And, it seems like you get a lot better perspective from a vision standpoint when you are the QB with the ball in your hands versus if someone hands or passes the ball to you, so it may not translate. But, having 3 potential guys like Barrett, Miller, and Elliot in one backfield is a little scary. I hope our LBs are ready.
|1 week 13 hours ago||No #1||
We have a slew of quality complimentary WRs, but we have no #1 or big play guy. They all seem OK. I will say they do seem like great blockers, especially Chesson. Hopefully either Darboh, Chesson, or Canteen can take a big step forward or Ways, Harris, or Cole can make an immediate impact. I have my doubts on all of the above. I think our TEs may have to make up for our lack of playmaking at WR, which I think they may be capable of if Butt and Hill are healthy. Bunting could also create some mismatch problems, but I'm not sure what his role would be, TE or WR?
I think the rest of the offense has an impact here too. I've been watching a lot of last years games and Gardner missed a ton of open recievers. They didn't need to make great plays, they just needed an accurately thrown ball to the open reciever instead of starring down his intended target and/or throwing into coverage. If the QB this year can correctly read coverage and throw accurately I'm not sure we need a big play WR, especially if the o-line can protect and get the running game going. But, then again the QB, RB, and OL positions are also question marks, so who knows. C'mon defense!
|1 week 13 hours ago||Recent history makes that unlikely||
I like your enthusiasm, but we haven't seen a true freshman WR make an impact since Manningham. I have no doubt he has the talent, but does he have the technique down to play WR in the B1G at that level? I have my doubts
|1 week 15 hours ago||Will miss his energy and enthusiasm||
I don't know if he was a great return man or not. I don't know if he ever would have been great in the slot or not. I don't know if he was fast or just quick. I don't know if he was too small to really be effective or not. What I do know is he had great energy and enthusiasm and that will be missed. Having a guy with great energy all the time and a positive attitude is a great asset in team sports. Good luck in your future young man.
|1 week 1 day ago||Hoke deserves credit for playing OSU well in his tenure||
I will give credit to Hoke for playing OSU fairly tight, despite only one win in 4 tries and that one win coming against an interim head coach. But, the team was always up for that game and played well. If they played that hard and executed that well the whole year they'd probably be a 9 win team. But, they never did. I will also say that IMO a lot falls on Gardner. I have spent some time the past few days watching last years games and there were a heck of a lot of open WRs that Gardner just missed or threw INTs on. That's a lot of missed opportunities and turnovers that if went the other way may have had a big impact on the outcome of games. It's still hard to see beating ND, MSU, and OSU, but they probably could have beaten Utah, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota.
With all that said, we still don't have a proven QB, WR, or RB yet, so it's hard to say with much confidence those things won't happen again. If Ruddock starts I doubt we see as many turnovers, but we probably don't convert as many first downs that Gardner picked up using his legs either. IDK
|1 week 1 day ago||OSU is just a thorn in our side that won't go away||
Yeah, that whole OSU thing remains a thorn in our side. When do they have to go through a dark period?...NEVER! They turn out 10-win seasons like it's nobody's business regardless of coach or circumstance. Their biggest problems were being undefeated and getting upsed by UM in the 90's, then going through tat-gate and Tress resigning and having one average year only to go undefeated and not be able to play in the post season the next. I think if the world removed the fact that our biggest rival has been heads and shoulders better than us for the the last 15 years it would be easier to stomach. But, they show no signs of slowing down.
|1 week 1 day ago||Yeah, it's a tough thing to||
Yeah, it's a tough thing to figure out, right? It's probably a whole bunch of things and not a simple problem, which is partly why I don't think there's a huge change this year. I think and hope for some positive improvement, just not enough to take a 5-7 team and turn them into a 10-2 team. I think that attitude and perspective play a big part in team sports and that had a big impact on Hoke's first year success. There's a chance we can see some of that team chemistry type stuff pay off again this year if the guys buy into Harbaugh. And, the reality is there are really only two teams that look on paper to be significantly better on UMs schedule. But, I still have to believe we will see some of the same struggles when we play the better teams on the schedule. We may look awesome against Indiana and UNLV, I know Green look great against Miami and App St last year, but we'll see how they hold up against Utah, BYU, MSU, PSU, and OSU.
|1 week 1 day ago||I think that's a bit||
I think that's a bit oversimplified. I wasn't really talking recruiting either, but I do think there is some truth there, but not a lot in special teams as most of our top recruits either seem like they don't play special teams or are freshman/soph types. But, OK lets look at that a little further.
I'm assuming we're talking 2012-2014 recruiting to help define the problem. We have had some bright spots. Funchess, Butt, Lewis, and Cole have all played up to or above their recruiting profiles. Some of the LBs who were good recruits have been burried on the depth chart so far like Gedeon and McCray, so it's hard to blame them. I'm curious how the new staff will evaluate them and wonder if they'll steal time from some established guys like Morgan and Bolden. I'm a litlte disapointed we've had a few guys transfer that seemed like quality players like Ferns and Bosch, both of whom I was excited about. Hurst seems to have shown at least some signs that he may be better than his recruiting ranking. What little we've seen of Peppers is promising. Wilson and Mags seem like their trajectory was as expected. Drake Johnson has been better than his recruiting ranking, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Henry also has achieved above his recruiting profile IMO. Wormley was injured. Same with Harris, plus he's in his second year. Mone has shown potential and Marshall is getting buzz as a young guy. Charlton is a guy I've been waiting to see and this is his first year as a projected starter. I guess I'm a little disapointed he hasn't played more, but this year will tell us a lot more, no reason he couldn't turn into an all-conference type. So, there is more to the story than they are just dumb football players. And, I'm not sure how many 4-star recruits are play punt and kickoff return other than RJS and Thomas, both of who baffle me. Gedeon and McCray do, but we've already talked about them. Sometimes Bolden or Ross does. Chesson does and is a great special teamer IMO, but he was a 3-star.
There are quite a high number of 4-star guys that just haven't panned out yet. Richardson, RJS, Pipkins, Kalis, Ojemudia, Green, Dawson, and Thomas were all guys expected to have done something by now. Richardson is tiny, but he was ranked highly as a recruit. I always though RJS, Pipkins, and Thomas were really talented. I guess injuries got to Pipkins and he's not really a guy that was applicable in this argument anways since he doesn't play special teams or o-line, but not sure why RJS and Thomas haven't figured it out. Dawson is sitll young for his position, but didn't far well against an even younger player (Hurst) in the spring game. He's supposed to be one of the top guards in the country for his class. I still don't know what Kalis' problem is. I guess I get the impression that Kalis and RJS may not be the best football minds, so maybe you're right with my argument there. Not sure what Ojemudia's deal is, maybe just out of position or haven't found the right role for him. Other guys like Hill, Clark, and Gant should be good special teamers, but seem to struggle. Braden at this point with his size, strength, age, and experience should be better off. So, I guess I'm really talking about a handful of guys here...Kalis, Braden, Dawson, RJS, Richardson, Thomas, Hill, Clark, and Gant. These seem like key guys on o-line and special teams that are struggling. Some were high recruits, others not. I'm not sure how much they will change in one year with new coaches.
Big picture, I wasn't really talking specifically about recruiting. Overall with the recruiting there seems to be a lot of factors going into a good number guys that haven't panned out...transfers, injuries, depth chart, poor development, just not as good as we thought, poor football IQ, etc. But, it seems like a much higher than average miss-rate on recruiting stars.
|1 week 1 day ago||My 2 cents||
Drake is by far the best runner we have. Although he's not big, he's also not undersized. He's explosive, he has good vision, he doesn't go down easy, and he has a good burst to get through the hole. I'd love it if he was healthy and was our feature back. However, I did a post on why I don't think he'll be/remain healthy for an extended amount of time, so I cross him off the list of expected guys.
With the Green, Smith, Isaac conversation, I get the impression that we'd be better off having one of them transfer. I was really excited about Isaac transferring to UM because of his recruitment, but the reality is the backfield is too crowded. One of them likely leaves after this year IMO. This seems like a good problem to have, but I think it also makes it difficult for any of them to gain confidence. It seems like RB is a position where you don't want to think. You're better off just seeing the field and reacting, and if you never stay in long enough to get in that groove it can be hard. Personally I'd prefer we have 2 strong candidates that are 1-2 years apart and the rest of the guys are either clearly backups or 3-4 years younger. I don't think it's good to have 4 guys all expecting to play, someone's not gonna be happy and sharing the carries in both practice and games may take away from all of their development and gelling with the o-line and vice versa.
|1 week 1 day ago||Yeah, agree about the||
Yeah, agree about the opponents, but I also think that's as much about the o-line as it is about the back, and maybe even about the QB. We didn't have too many games against conference opponents where the QB had strong games to help open up the running game, minus maybe Indiana and he actually did pretty good against OSU, but the rest was a little ugly.
|1 week 1 day ago||Thank you! The saying||
Thank you! The saying ignorance is bliss is really true. Before there was internet recruiting sites and all I knew about recruiting was what they told me during the in-game broadcast of games, life was a lot more simple. You didn't know who the incoming freshman were and it didn't matter. Michigan just beat everybody except west coast road games, Notre Dame sometimes, and then OSU was always a battle, but you could count on 9 wins. Now that I know I continue to ask...well, they are highly rated recruits, when will they be good? Now I'm just sick of asking questions and wondering. Can I have my medication now?
|1 week 1 day ago||I agree, but remain skeptical much changes in '15||
You may be right, but it just seems like with both o-line play and special teams play, particularly punt coverage, kick-off coverage, and blitz pick-ups, that players just do dumb things. I have to believe they were coached and instructed not to do those things and are just not that good at it. We hear it all the time that the light may go on, but that sounds a lot like wishful thinking and I'm a little more practical. I hope I am wrong, but I am cautious about how much better we get in one year. I have faith in the coaches and think they can get this thing cranking in 3-4 years, but next year I remain sceptical that we can turn our weaknesses into anything more that slightly less of a weakness.
|1 week 1 day ago||So sick of asking when wil.....finally be good again||
It just baffles me how UM ran out RB after RB year after year that was fantastic, same with WR, QB, and o-line through the 90s and 00s. Things made sense. I never worried about who graduated or went to the NFL because I knew there was another good guy behind them. Now, nothing makes sense. I continually find myself analyzing when will (name any position) finally be good again. We sign one of the top backs in the country and he hasn't lived up to his billing (Green). We sign one of the top pocket passers (Morris) and he hasn't either. We sign 7 premier o-lineman in '12 & '13 and none of them have yet to prove much. I give the 2013 guys a free pass because they are still young, but still. We keep wondering when we will finally get this thing figured out, but at this point I have no idea.
The line improved last year, but it was still bad. Will it improve enough to actually be good, because it's not like we have a great RB that can break plays and overcome poor line play, or a QB/WR that can make things happen despite this weakness? I just don't know anymore. How can you expect a player to play in a way he's never played? I hear people say offense line play is about age, experience, time working together, etc. So, having a year under their belt all of these guys having played together before should help in addition to 4 of the 5 projected lineman being in their 4th or 5th year. That gives you hope, but that's all it is at this point. It's still hard to all of a sudden assume Kalis can do something he hasn't shown he could do before. Same with Braden. Maybe coaching was the problem and Drevno can get them sorted out, but I have my doubts.
|1 week 2 days ago||Makes sense||
I don't have any problem with that. Let them know up front, don't hide anything, and let them chose their destiny. It makes Countess' decision a little more understandable, although I'd still like him back. Good luck to any of the guys that decide to try their hand elsewhere.
|1 week 3 days ago||While I hear what you're||
While I hear what you're saying, but how else do you judge talent? If it's not recruiting rankings, what is it? Recruiting rankings are basically based off things like size and speed...potential. So, if the coaching and player development sucks, but guys are 4-star recruits, how do you judge their talent? I know I'm so sick of waiting for guys like Thomas, Pipkins, Morris, Green, RJS to produce and people saying they're talented because they had a good recruiting ranking. But, lately with all the coaching changes, changes in scheme/style, MSU beating us on the field while we beat them in recruiting rankings, etc. its hard to know what's what any more.
|1 week 3 days ago||I don't see the offensive playmakers||
My concern is our offensive skill players just don't seem to have panned out. Morris already seems like a big question mark. Our other big recruiting gets at the skill positions are Green, Harris, and Cole. Green also seems like a big question mark, Harris has not shown he can get healthy, and Cole is a true freshman. I like Butt, but he's not enough. The rest of the offensive skill players are not really 4 and 5-star guys, but are more role players. I'm concerned there are no real playmakers on offense.
|1 week 3 days ago||O-line||
On paper our o-line is just as good as OSUs and with more experience, but offensive production is another story. That makes me believe either coaching has a lot to do with it and/or our offensive problems are more complex than the o-line. We have inexperience/unproven players at QB, RB, and WR as well. While OSU had questions on o-line, they had talent everywhere else. If we had Barrett, Elliot, Thomas, and Smith and ran OSU's offense would our o-line look just as bad?
|1 week 3 days ago||Yeah||
Looking back at some games last year, he really handled some pretty good DEs, including Bosa. He's just as good as Decker IMO.
|1 week 3 days ago||They have been for a long time||
Not to dump gas on the fire, but OSU has been the better team on paper for a long time, assuming being the better team on paper means having more talent and/or recruiting stars and being ranked higher in the polls. There have been a number of years where UM's recruiting classes were very similarly ranked to OSU's (although still typically a few spots behind). But, I don't recall a time when UM's classes were consistently ranked higher than OSU's. Maybe they were before the dawn of internet recruiting ranking sites and I just don't know it.
I'm 35 years old, which means I've been old enough to know what's going on since roughly the mid-90's. But, even then when UM was beating OSU consistently in the 90's, OSU was always the favorite on paper, higher ranked team in teh polls, and believed to be the more talented team. I really just don't remember UM ever being the favorite on paper with any consistency over the last 30 years, sorry :( It's a depressing reality.
|1 week 3 days ago||Talent at UM vs MSU/OSU||
Sometimes it depresses me how many quality players are on UMs rivals, and how many of them they were ranked similar or lower as recruits than some of the players on UMs roster. Derrick Green was a highly ranked recruit at RB, yet Elliot has been much more successful. Shane Morris was a highly ranked recruit, but Barrett and Cook have been more successful. Bosa was ranked pretty high, but Charlton was no slouch and definetly higher than Calhoun, but both of them have been more successful. Maybe I'm being short-sighted and have sour grapes, but It makes me wonder if the rankings were justified. Maybe our guys were not evaluated very well, but many of them were offered by our rivals. Maybe they just haven't been developed well or maybe the offensive/defensive schemes of our rivals fits them better. Maybe I'm just beaten down by too many losses to the rivals. Well, here's to hoping the new coaching staff can get this talent to produce and being thankful we still have Peppers :)
|1 week 5 days ago||Smith and co.||
Yeah, I'm with you. If Drake his healthy I think he's our best back, but he's not that far removed from his ACL and I have have doubts about his ability to remain healthy. I'm not sure on Isaac yet. He seems to have a good combination of skills, but we just don't know what to expect of him yet and I've heard Magnus hint at the idea that the coaches don't like his mentality, and you know Harbaugh...that won't fly. Smith is a tough, reliable runner and my hunch is he's our #1 guy if healthy. If the o-line can create holes and the QB can complete passes without turning the ball over Smith should be good. He won't break a lot of long runs, but I think he's good at getting first downs. Green seemed to be the default guy under Hoke's staff even though I personally never thought his play warranted it. Maybe he played much better during practice, IDK. He obviously was a high level recruit, so maybe that played a part in Hoke's committment to him. I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Shallman is a B1G RB. It's hard to say much about Higdon until we see him play. So, I think it will be Smith as the #1 with everyone else fighting for the #2 spot. Heck, throw Peppers back there on occasion. I'm sure he could break some big plays.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||No worries, it's all a part||
No worries, it's all a part of the discussion, which hopefully sheds light on the subject, may help multiple minds re-think things, or at the very least is an interesting relevant intellectual discussion. Thanks for adding in some literature and I will take a look and let you know what I think. Regarding credentials, yes we are often proud of ours. I have a graduate degree in exercise science with a concentration in performance enhancement and injury prevention and am quite used to supporting my stance with peer reviewed literature. While a certain degree can let others know of pre-requesite knoweledge, it doesn't prevent those without it from having relevant information, so I try not to push it unless questioned. Plus, there are lots of well educated folks on this board that you may never realize until they told you. And, I have had many good discussions with people with very little formal education. As long as you have an intellectual curiosity, are willing to provide evidence to support your view, and don't mind others asking questions, then it's all good.