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|3 weeks 1 day ago||Nathan still being the closer is insane at this point||
He does not have it , he can not get left-handed hitters out any more. You can not get by with only a 90-92 fastball(mostly 4-seamers) and a slider. The only time he has looked remotely decent this year is when he has gotten lucky, and faced 2+ right handed batters in an inning.
The issue is that his possible replacement hasn't pitched well since coming over and left today's game with an injury. The closer situation looks more and more hopeless by the day.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||The team with the 4th best record in the AL||
is the one with the bullseye on it's chest? Yeah, for some reason I don't buy that.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||A couple things wrong with your post||
1. Not all five of the Tigers starters have ERA's under 4. Verlander is at 4.57
2. Miggy is having the worst offensive year of his career since his first year with the Tigers in 2006. His BA, OBP, Walk Rate, and OPS are all way down this year. His strikeout rate is conversely up this year. Honestly, I have no idea what is going through his mind at times this year. Pitches that he spat on the last couple years, are turning into outs this year because he is chasing them. By his standards he is having a a bad year.
3. Kinsler has done very little since the All Star Break, and honestly he was probally overachieving in the first half, given his last 3 years in Texas.
4. Hunter is a mediocre OF at this point. Average at best defensively (and that's being generous). His OBP of .307 is the worst among the normal Tiger starters. Hitting some home runs and picking up some RBI's doesn't mean that he isn't mediocre overall.
That's fine and dandy that some people still believe the Tigers have a decent shot at a WS (even though I highly disagree). However, the fact of the matter that this team might not even get in the playoffs, since KC is 1.5 games back after tonight and the two teams are seemingly going in opposite directions.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Some good points||
However, I don't think your giving Sonny Gray, in particular, enough credit. He has a career 2.61 ERA so far, and performed well in his two postseason starts last year.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||The 5 guys with sub 2.55 ERA was in reference to the A's pen||
I also don't understand where your getting that the Tigers have an advantage in every starting pitching matchup. Are you basing that on what has happened in the past? If you look at the matchups based on what the pitchers are doing this year, I don't see how anybody could come to that conclusion.
The only real edge the Tigers starting rotation might have is in overall playoff experience.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Don't buy that the A's are built to win in the playoffs||
Their starting rotation, at least by the numbers, is the best in the AL right now. Their bullpen is also top notch, they have five guys with sub 2.55 ERA's. Losing Cespedes hurts their offense, but that pitching rotation is good enough to win in the playoffs, even with a worse offense.
I honestly I don't understand how you can say the Tigers are built to win in the playoffs, but the A's are not. Pitching first and formost is what gets it done in the playoffs (with some timely hitter of course), and the A's are just flat out better in that aspect right now, most notably in the pen.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||No I don't||
However, I have watched or listened to about 90% of the games this season. It is not hard to detect a pattern when you follow a team closely on a day to day basis.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Issues don't magically get fixed in the playoffs||
Case in point, the main issues with last year's team throughout the year were an inconsistent offense and bullpen issues. As it turns out those two things cost them the series against Boston.
I agree that you never know what can happen in the playoffs, but I don't like this team's odds at the moment unless some of the issues are fixed by the playoffs.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||If they were as good as you're describing||
Than they would be more than 13 games over at this point, and not on the verge of dropping to the 4th best record in the AL. Considering I have watched or listened to 90% of the games this season, I think I would know if they were as good as you are describing. They have been very inconsistent, plain and simple. Pretty much the same as the last 6 years.
Oakland is clearly the favorite and best team in the AL right now. I wish that wasn't the case, but there is really no argument that could be made otherwise.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly what I said||
Those numbers don't mean a whole lot to counter what I said, if huge offensive games (which has happened a number of times this season) are skewing the overall numbers.
It isn't even just the runs, it's also the fact that the Tigers don't do a good job of driving up opposing pitcher's pitch counts consistently. They are 12th in the AL in walks. The offensive effort last night and so far tonight has been pathetic in that respect.Oakland has scored the most runs in the AL, despite having many team ranks that are worse than the Tigers. They have drawn the most amount of the walks in the league though.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Offense is still as inconsistent as ever||
For all the talk about the added speed, the offense is still pretty much all or nothing. This does not bode well for a playoff run, assuming they even get there since KC was only 4.5 games back entering tonight.
I just don't think this team has what it takes to get it done, hopefully I am wrong.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Don't see this trade as a big win||
Jackson has been inconsistent offensively so far in his career, but he was still the best leadoff option for the Tigers. Davis is not an everyday leadoff guy, he never never talks a walk and is a free-swinger. The guy they are bringing up from Toledo (Carrera) has been cut loose by two different teams and has spent most of his professional time in the minors. His .307 batting average at Toledo will most likely not translate to the majors.
Also the bullpen situation is still not very good. This team has no proven lefty in the pen. Smyly could have been that guy if he wasn't included in the deal. Hardy has pitched well so far, but he is unproven at this point. Soria doesn't look comfortable in the 7th inning, which is not suprising since he is used to closing. The odds of Nathan turning it around still are not very good IMO.
Davis is also a horrible defensively outfielder. Jackson hasn't been as good defensively the last couple years as he was before, but he is still far from the butcher in the field that Davis is.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Best Rotation Ever?||
Based on this year's numbers, it's not even the best rotation in the AL. What guys have done in the past is not really relevant to what is going on this year. If would be one thing if Verlander was still pitching like a Cy Young caliber pitcher, but last I checked his ERA is pushing 5.00 this year. Sanchez and Scherzer have also not been as good as they were last year. Porcello is the only guy in the rotation who has improved and not taken a step back from last year.
There is no doubt that Price makes this rotation better, but I really feel like people are ignoring the downsides of the deal and not looking at the signficant holes/issues that the Tigers still have. Namely the lack of dangerous left handed hitters in the lineup besides V-Mart, the lack of a proven/suitable leadoff guy, the lack of a proven left handed reliever or two, poor defense in the outfield, Soria not looking good so far, and Nathan still being a huge questionable mark and potential liability. These are all things that could come back to bite a team in the playoffs.
Despite giving up Cespedes to get Lester, Oakland still has to be the favorite in the AL at this point. Even if the Tigers can match Oakland's starters, Oakland still has the edge in the pen. Of course, the Angels also seem to have the Tiger's number as well, though I like the Tigers starters better in that matchup.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||They have a good lead||
However, is not in the bag yet. Are the Tigers forgetting about what happened a month ago, when they actually lost their lead completely and found themselves a 1.5 games back of KC at one point?
Nathan is done, throwing away any more games just because you have a good lead is reckless since you never what can happen the rest of the season. This is professional sports, the Tigers don't owe Nathan jack out of any kind of good faith.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Like the trade||
However, I hate that the Tigers are going to possibly throw a couple more games away because they don't want to remove Nathan from the closer's role immediately. They gave him time to right himself, that time should now be up. Also from Nathan's perspective, the Tigers making this trade tells him that they don't believe in him.
Makes absolutely no sense to not name Soria the closer right now. This is professional sports, there should be no obligation for the Tigers to give Nathan anymore time out good faith or whatever. That is nonsense.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||Agreed||
Apparantly, Valverde going 49/49 with a 2.24 ERA in 2011 is not a good year to some people. His 2010 year was also far superior to what we have seen out of Nathan.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||Nathan has never been a sinker ball type guy||
He has always thrown more 4 seam fastballs than 2-seamers, which is the case again this year. Four seam fastballs at 90-93 aren't going to cut it against big league hitters. His slider still has decent movement, but that becomes a less effective pitch against left-handers.
Nathan is an all likelyhood is done, an a team with WS aspirations can just sit around and hope for the best. They gave him some time to figure things out, that time is pretty much up now.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||Valverde's time ended on a sour note||
However, I really think your understating his 2011 year. 49/49 in saves and a 2.24 ERA is a little better than decent.
Though, I agree that the Tigers should not of let Benoit get away in the offseason.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||That is all well and good||
The Tigers goal is more than just to win the division, though. They have been there and done that. Anything short of WS is a failure. There is alot to like about this team, however the bullpen certainly could be the downfall in the playoffs. Hopefully, they will do something at the deadline to help the bullpen. I remain unconvinced that Nathan is a closer that can be trusted in the playoffs.
Oakland would be the favorite in the AL to me at this point. The trade they made with the Cubs gives their starting rotation five guys with sub 3.50 ERA's. Their bullpen is better than the Tigers right now. They also have scored more runs than the Tigers. Really, the only advantages the Tigers have are more playoff experience in the starting rotation, and the 3 and 4 combination in the lineup of Cabrera and V-Mart.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Serious question?||
Al has a 2.96 career ERA. He also entered today with a 2.91 ERA on the year. He may be inconsistent with his control at times, but your question is ridiculous. He has been the Tigers second best reliever after Joba.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||DG had more good games than dreadful games||
Certainly he had his issues at times last year, but pretending he was dreadful in many games is just not accurate. No running game and a horrible o-line certainly didn't help his cause either.
I think you're reading too much into the not naming a starter aspect. That is simply Hoke making sure the upperclassmen stay motivated to earn their starting spots. Nothing more, nothing less.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||It would be hard to imagine V-Mart being snubbed||
Ferrell may have some bias towards his guy (Ortiz), but I don't think it is enough to turn him into a complete idiot.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Team is playing extremely well right now||
However, I don't quite understand the positivity regarding Nathan and the closer spot. Even in saves Nathan still looks far from dominant and is hanging on by the skin of his teeth most of the time. Simply put, he couldn't be trusted in a key playoff situation with the way he has pitched this season.
The rest of the team is really coming together, but the closer spot is the sticking point. Either Nathan needs to start looking like vintage Nathan more frequently or the Tigers are going to have to find a better option, because you can't win a WS without somebody closing games at a high level.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||2008 was definatly his worst year as a pro||
The Tigers, as a whole, were incrediable disappointing that year.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Fangraphs pitchfx data has him at a 93.4 mph average||
on his fastball. While that is down from his peak years that still is the highest average on Tigers starting staff. He has also been hitting 94-95 pretty consistently his last 2-3 starts.
The problem with Verlander is more about a loss of command. His first pitch strike rate and walk rate are currently the worst they have been since his awful 2008 year. What made Verlander special in 2011 and 2012 was his ability to throw any one of his pitches for a strike in almost any count. He doesn't have that the same command right now, which is frustrating because the stuff is still above average.
Also the real question is what the hell is wrong with the Tigers, in general. Personally, I didn't think they were as good as their record when they were 27-12, but still to go 6-16 with the talent they have is really mind boggling. DD better do something at deadline because this is not a WS winning team right now.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||At this point I would||
trade Franzen for just about anything. He is just a not the type of player you can count on.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||That was a good defensive play||
What would have been the penalty? He had the puck, so it couldn't be interference.
In short, why don't you just stay the fuck out of any thread relating to Detroit sports if you're just going to troll.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Too many men on the ice||
What a boneheaded mistake.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Bad turnover||
Way too many of those in this series. Can't beat yourself when you're playing a better team.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||BS||
Nice interference on the faceoff. Last two penalties on Wings are also things that can be called 50 times in a game.