|1 day 11 hours ago||And since then the defense||
And since then the defense has gotten worse not better...
Zero freshman were forced to play on the O-line last year. The only true freshman that played was Bosch and there were several other options. That was just a coaching decision and seemingly a mistake considering the results.
I'm not arguing that experience was an issue on the O-Line last year but the coaching staff made a complete clusterfuck of the situation with the constant shuffling of personnel and scheme.
I watched Oregon take out Sparty 2 weeks ago with major offensive line problems. Coaching matters and it's hard to argue that our coaching is making the most of what we have anywhere on the field.
|1 week 5 days ago||The inmates run the asylum.||
The inmates run the asylum. That is the issue and has been since Bo died and Lloyd retired. If you are going to hire a football coach based on the fact that former players from a bygone era like the guy you're sunk. Especially when they submarine the guy hired in the first place.
|1 week 5 days ago||Terrible players on the OL||
Terrible players on the OL such as Lewan, Schofield, and Omameh? All in the NFL. It's fair to say that RR didn't recruit ENOUGH offensive lineman but considering most Hoke supporters think you can't have a good offensive line without redshirt juniors and seniors on it I doubt it would have made much difference. After all, RR was only around for 3 seasons and really only had 2 1/2 recruiting classes.
This thread is pretty tedious and all the same arguments come out. The bottom line right now is that RR and Hoke both look like terrible hires albeit for different reasons.
Hoke seems to be a good recruiter (helped by the fact that the athletic department and football alumni are supporting him rather than forcing him out the door and saying things like Lloyd Carr's senior class won the Sugar Bowl) but beyond that his tenure is an embarassment. That he and members of his staff are openly and privately contempuous of the spread is disturbing when tempo, option, and spread concepts have infiltrated every level of football. When the Seattle Seahawks are running plays stolen from Gus Malzahn I think it might be time to stop pretending that the spread is somehow beneath Michigan.
That said, the offense Nussmeier runs is very much one back based and incorporates many spread concepts. He's a disciple of John L. Smith and in that coaching tree along with former Lions OC Scott Linehan. These are not "manball" guys. That might be good or bad depending on your point of view.
The biggest issue I see is that our supposed ready made talent such as Kalis and Derrick Green stinks. That Kalis can't get on the field ahead of a true freshman, a walkon, and Jack Miller is very disturbing. Does anyone think Green looks like the #1 back in the country? Recruiting rankings matter but talent identification is a huge issue right now.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||RB is usually behind the QB||
RB is usually behind the QB for inside zone from the shotgun and to the side for outside zone. This can be changed of course but this is something that Fishduck covered at one point when discussing how Oregon didn't care because the over pursuit can cause problems against disciplined zone blocking and good one cut runners
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think the issue is||
I don't think the issue is bias; the issue is that he's an idiot.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Content is great as usual||
Content is great as usual Brian but the Tyler Lockett hyperbole machine is overheating badly at this point
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Cobra...nope. Countess and||
Countess and Taylor starting per Hoke yesterday.
The overreaction to stuff on this board with zero real evidence always amuses me.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Peppers and Lewis won't be||
Peppers and Lewis won't be your starting corners in week one. Probably Countess and Lewis. Taylor will get plenty of run.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||gimmicky||
you mean like using Taylor Lewan as essentially a blocking tight end? and then doing the same with crappy backups even when he was out of the game?
|12 weeks 6 hours ago||Pistons would have picked||
Pistons would have picked 9th...unless you think we traded with the Kings.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Cameron is first choice||
Cameron is first choice fullback in the Premier League. He is not the problem. Giveaways happen.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Choking would have been not||
Choking would have been not fighting back to equalize after a crushing early goal and getting run off the pitch 2 or 3-0.
It's literally insane to blame Klinsmann for the late magic that Ronaldo produced. If they had only added 4 minutes of stoppage time your sports radio style narrative would be even more meaningless today than it already is.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||I think the point is that the||
I think the point is that the weather had nothing to do with poor late season performance but you've attributed that as the reason without any evidence.
Causation vs. correlation and all that.
|23 weeks 3 days ago||excuse me||
you must not be familiar with THE KNOWLEDGE
|29 weeks 2 days ago||Hayes||
Did anyone even watch the bowl game...Hayes was the #1 back and
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Green being behind Hayes and||
Green being behind Hayes and Smith after all of bowl practice was not encouraging.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||"looking good" isn't really||
"looking good" isn't really relevant if you are afraid to throw an actual forward pass with him and score 0 meaningful touchdowns
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Tyler Lockett is great but||
Tyler Lockett is great but he's not the best WR in the country.
|35 weeks 5 days ago||Why do most of the comments||
Why do most of the comments imply Borges has already been hired? He's likely just being floated by his agent. If not, it's a weird marriage between him and Kelly to say the least.
|35 weeks 5 days ago||Yes, running option plays||
Yes, running option plays without anyone being optioned is genius level stuff.
|35 weeks 5 days ago||Notre Dame runs primarily a||
Notre Dame runs primarily a passing spread. Ran quite a bit of pistol this year.
|37 weeks 13 hours ago||You left out Hayes who was||
You left out Hayes who was the #1 back in the bowl. He will play as either a tailback, slot, or third down back at the very least.
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Space- I agree with most of||
I agree with most of this. However, I think it's a stretch to say that Michigan runs mostly out of the gun. Certainly not the case in 2013 and it's clearly not the goal of the staff.
|42 weeks 1 day ago||All of you applauding Dave||
All of you applauding Dave Brandon...do you enjoy being lied to like a politician begging for votes?
I understand why this blog was written but the execution is miserable. A short, direct, statement of support would have been fine and served it's purpose. Instead we get Brandon's deceptive comments and weird commentary regarding past coaching standards.
This is a man that is completely insecure because he knows he hired a cheerleader that no other BCS team would ever have. Then, he pays him like he's coveted by the NFL because Brandon made his useless comments about how Michigan needs to pay for the best to get the best.
Do you really think it was in ANY WAY necessary to pay Brady Hoke more than RR?
It's literally only so fans can't point to his salary and say Brandon was being cheap.
Beyond that, he had the nerve to compare this season with NICK SABAN at Alabama in his 4th year. Saban won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN YEAR 3. Are you kidding? And in his "down" year he was 10-3.
Those 3 losses were against a ranked South Carolina team, #10 LSU, and Auburn. With Cam Newton. The eventual NATIONAL CHAMPIONS.
Sounds just like this year with Hoke.
Now that I think about it, we're really not being fair to Hoke. Sure this year has sucked but we did win the National Championship and go undefeated last year just like Nick Saban at Alabama so everyone just quiet down. Nothing to see here.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||according to||
a certain faction here bringing in Swenson should start paying dividends in 2020
|42 weeks 5 days ago||I watched the while||
I watched the while Oregon/Stanford and Oregon could have been up early without a costly dropped pass and red zone mistakes.
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Oregon wasn't smoked by||
Oregon wasn't smoked by Stanford. And Mariota was hurt. They also haven't played Alabama. You have your preconceived notions and you're woefully wrong.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||You forgot: *We are behind||
*We are behind where we'd like to be because of Denard.
Apparently I must be dreaming of their ineptitude under center in 2011 and 2012 because they never installed any of it.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Oh. I see now in Angelique's||
Oh. I see now in Angelique's article from the Borges presser that he's now saying they're two years behind in installing their offense, ostensibly because of Denard.
That is laughably absurd and just a flat lie.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Does anyone think it's||
Does anyone think it's odd/troubling that the stated goal of the Hoke regime since day 1 has been to run the power O and they've been awful at it for 3 straight years?
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Regarding execution this||
Regarding execution this reminds me of something I read in a Chip Kelly presentation:
"If your players have not run that play in a critical situation over a thousand times in practice, you will not have a chance to be successful. With our inside zone play, we get so much practice time and so many reps that we can handle all the other scenarios that come about. Instead of trying to outscheme your opponent, put your players in an environment where they understand exactly what they have to do."
|44 weeks 4 days ago||Oregon started varying these||
Oregon started varying these tendencies a couple of years ago and now regularly motions the back into position just before the snap.
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Alabama is primarily a zone||
Alabama is primarily a zone blocking team. We run some zone but I don't think I'm off base saying Hoke/Borges are in love with pulling lineman, man blocking, etc. To a fault. They haven't been able to run the power O against a decent defense in 3 years despite the fact that it's supposed to be our bread and butter. Think about that for a minute.
Even when Borges is forced to run plays from the gun or "spread" he tries very hard to run them with man blocking principles and pulling lineman.
|45 weeks 11 hours ago||Stanford played well||
and exactly how they needed to play in order to win but it wasn't a beat down.
Oregon missed a wide open TD on their opening drive and shot themselves in the foot repeatedly in the redzone. If they had scored 7 or 14 in the first half I think they win quite comfortably and they had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Either way, I'd gladly take the run that Stanford and Oregon have both been on for the past several years out of Michigan.
|46 weeks 1 day ago||We've had a better RB yards||
We've had a better RB yards per carry out of the shotgun every season since Hoke took over. And it's not particularly close.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Comparing the UFR to ANYTHING||
Comparing the UFR to ANYTHING on sports radio is ridiculous.
|50 weeks 3 days ago||isn't Harbaugh running a||
isn't Harbaugh running a variation of Communist Football with Kaepernick?
|50 weeks 6 days ago||graybeaver||
You might want to check your facts before rattling off nonsense.
Chip Kelly was 4-2 against Stanford and lost last year in overtime.
He was 46-7 in his 4 years. I would be extremely happy if Hoke could put together a 4 year run like that but in order to do so he'll have to win his next 23 games in a row.
|51 weeks 3 days ago||FannMan||
There is no QB play action in the playbook. Michigan hasn't run that since 2011 and not well since 2010.
Meanwhile, the only QB run Devin has executed is the Draw. The rest of his carries are on scrambles or keepers on the option. Maybe a fake option if Brian's hypothesis is correct. When Denard ran the "Oh Noes" it was playaction off of the outside zone or ISO. So, what would Devin even be faking?
Michigan's running plays are all telegraphed by formation.
Under center it's the stretch, power, or ISO.
From the pistol it's inside zone/belly.
In the shotgun they have the inverted veer and QB draw.
There are a couple of other variations but nothing fits together and there aren't any adjustments made to any of the plays. When something doesn't work, Borges just tries running something else rather than tinkering.
If you're going to run the stretch play as much as we have been it's indefensible to NEVER run it from the gun when Devin Gardner is your QB. That's on the staff.
|51 weeks 4 days ago||the stretch, etc.||
Brian, you're on the money here.
Firstly, the stretch. My head has sufficiently exploded now.
This staff did everything they could not to run the stretch since they took over. Still having nightmares about the pin & pull zone?
Beyond that, they didn't run an outside zone one time with Denard. Not once. They tried the QB sweep but it was usually slow to develop.
Now all of a sudden the stretch is their pet play and THEY ONLY RUN IT UNDER CENTER!?
Under center, we run the stretch, power, and iso.
From the pistol it's inside zone/belly.
Shotgun we have QB draw and inverted veer and the showed the sprint counter last game. But I know you'll remark in the UFR...counter to what???
That's our run game. It's predictable yet discombobulated. If you're gonna run the stretch why not at least run it a few times a game from the shotgun with a read?
Where's the arc blocking and anything besides the inside zone from the pistol?
What is our bread and butter? Basically Devin sometimes being an untackleable killing machine.
P.S. $10 says they try the check to the speed option against MSU and most likely to the boundary.
|1 year 3 days ago||that was actually an audible||
and should have been a TD with a pitch
|1 year 1 week ago||Correct. The linked play is||
Correct. The linked play is just a play action pass with a mesh point. "QB Oh Noes" was first used on the Roundtree TD against ND in 2010. The play was called "Rocket" as pointed out by John U. Bacon in 3 and Out.
Borges did try using Denard run action a few times in 2011, most notably against MSU but the plays were not run crisply and abandoned thereafter based on my recollection.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Interesting||
to see the stretch return all of a sudden...anyone think they can/will run it out of the shotgun with a read? Doubtful but that would also be useful against ND.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Dee Hart||
he blew out his knee twice and is still only a redshirt soph so I wouldn't write him off...
|1 year 3 weeks ago||QB Oh Noes||
Brian...stop perpetuating the myth that Denard faking a handoff is a "QB Oh Noes" when in reality it's just playaction. Borges abandoned Denard run action to pass after MSU '11 (based on memory) and even then had no idea how to run it. We learned from 3 and out that RR called that play "Rocket" I believe.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||this doesn't make sense||
this doesn't make sense anyway but Bellomy isn't a pro-style QB...he has good wheels and they're a big reason why he was recruited in the first place
|1 year 32 weeks ago||We already debuted the pistol||
We already debuted the pistol against OSU and used it against South Carolina. Granted, in true Borges style we only ran one play out of the look but the fake inverted veer sweep to Denard was from full house pistol.
Gruden even pointed it out during the bowl game although he laughably attributed the formation to the Redskins rather than Utah...
|1 year 39 weeks ago||bizarre||
Corner makes more sense than safety but Norfleet is a guy that the coaching staff was designing plays for earlier this year. Now he's just a corner unlikely to ever start considering our current depth at the position?
|1 year 41 weeks ago||that doesn't make sense||
considering 3 of the National Title teams referenced ran up-tempo "spread" offenses
I guess the salient point is that Danielson is a tool along with 99% of the commentators out there.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Blue Note||
|1 year 44 weeks ago||inverted veer||
M used the inverted veer last week just not often. The inside zone read will still be used as well.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||The Kerridge "option" play drives me NUTS||
1. When was the last time Michigan handed the ball off to their fullback?
2. Beyond the traditional inside zone read, inverted veer, and speed option, none of these are actual reads for Denard. The jet sweep action, triple option look from late last year, Kerridge orbited out, etc. are just decoys. Decoys that nobody bothers honoring. Even the speed option is usually neutered since we almost always run it on 3rd and short and Denard is just trying to find a crease for the first down. Except on 3rd and 7 (topping it off I think it was to the boundary) against Nebraska which was extremely humiliating.
3. Even if the Kerridge play was a good idea, wouldn’t it make more sense to line up with a 2nd tailback such as Rawls, Hayes, Norfleet, or at the very least Hopkins so the defense might be concerned with them. Do you think Nebraska would have ignored Norfleet on that play? I doubt it.
These lame decoys are causing us to have to play quite a bit of 10 man football.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||RR era "inverted veer"||
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Brian-||
Michigan did run the inverted veer in 2010. I THINK it debuted in the Penn State game if my memory is correct. I know it was run multiples times in that game, just not sure if they used it at all before that.
Check the tape. Tape = UFR in this case.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||Needs||
M didn't run the inverted veer at all vs. Sparty last year. I don't think it debuted until Purdue.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Magnus...||
Regarding Kwiatkowski, Brian was talking about him releasing downfield in a pass pattern, not getting to the second level to block.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||If Alabama were to play||
If Alabama were to play Oregon in the title game and Alabama won, you'd conclude that it was a failure of the Ducks' offensive philosophy?
Is it possible (if that hypothetical comes to fruition) that Alabama would win simply because they were better?
I would bet on Oregon to beat every team in the country this year besides Alabama. If only they didn't run the spread they MIGHT be able to take out Saban, am I right???
|1 year 50 weeks ago||Nate- Do you really think||
|1 year 50 weeks ago||If given a fair shot I don't||
If given a fair shot I don't think Bellomy will beat out Gardner unless they just decide they need Devin at receiver and basically force the issue.
I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think Bellomy will be better than Denard next year with literally no meaningful game experience under his belt.
He might make fewer mistakes but you'll lose explosiveness on the ground and he doesn't have ideal arm strength for what we THINK Borges wants to do either.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||Unless you think Shane Morris||
Unless you think Shane Morris is going to beat out Gardner and Bellomy next year, Borges is going to have a spread-type QB at the helm again so it's not just about Denard leaving.
I find it highly unlikely that occurs but if we're starting a true frosh QB next year the offense is going to stink either way.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||It's not hard to figure it||
It's not hard to figure it out. Borges is philosophically opposed to the bubble. Probably too "basketball on grass" and horizontal for his and Hoke's taste.
|2 years 58 min ago||incorrect||
The T Rob reception you're talking about came on a fake bubble, not QB play action.
That being said, we DID run "Rocket" earlier in the Notre Dame game but Denard didn't throw it.
They talk about it in "3 And Out."
|2 years 1 week ago||Not true regarding the tunnel||
Not true regarding the tunnel screen.
RR ran them here. Off the top of my head I can remember Stonum scoring on one against UMass.
As for Borges, he might not like the bubble but he's starting to see it's usefulness I would say. After 2 bubbles against Alabama, Denard's first TD today came on a fake bubble QB draw.
No tunnel screen's yet. Or throwbacks.
Considering it "always" worked last year you know it's coming...
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Yeah, it would work. That's||
Yeah, it would work. That's pretty much a QB power or ISO, depending on the blocking scheme. Would it work consistently against Alabama when your blocking execution is poor? Of course not.
My biggest issue with Borges is that his reasoning for not running Denard more (plus 1-ing) was basically that Alabama simply wouldn't let him succeed. Again, that's probably true in this case but I'm not sure how that squares with the fact that the backs got quite a few carries when the game was still in doubt. Vincent Smith down a man is a better option than Denard with an extra blocker?
It's just a matter of philosohpy. if they were really that geared up to stop Denard, they could have been susceptible to Denard playaction, misdirection, etc. Those were all things that Malzahn pointed out were needed to beat Alabama's D. Sometimes you have to run into a brick wall a few times before you can counter-punch.
I think they figured they'd take a punchers chance in the first quarter and throw it around and then packed it in once they got down in a hurry. I have no problem with them protecting Denard but we can't afford to protect him when we're back in a dog fight.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||inverted veer = "jet read"||
inverted veer = "jet read" (according to Hoke) or "dash read"
Meanwhile, in the 2nd video, if Denard keeps and scoots outside of Schofield and Gallon chips the nickel corner we've got profit. At that point 'Lace is one on one with the safety and we're getting 10 yards at a minimum. That's highly preferable to Rawls getting blown up while heading toward the sideline.
Any chance Borges lets Denard run the zone stretch this year?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Denard was pretty good||
Denard was pretty good running the inside zone read last year against Notre Dame. He had success with the "inverted veer" against OSU and that's about it. It got blown up last night the couple times they ran it like everything else.
What's unquestioned is Denard was VERY good at running QB outside zone and we haven't used it once since Hoke & Borges arrived. Watching Denard wait for blockers on the QB sweep is painful. This is square peg round hole stuff. Wouldn't have changed the outcome last night but it does matter in the grand scheme.
Beyond that, Denard had one meaningful designed carry before the game was out of hand. That's just poor coaching unless you aren't trying to run the ball at all.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Great post||
and agreed on the great site content this week.
A couple of notes:
1. Borges did run quite a few QB play actions last year but they just weren't as crisp or effective as they were in 2010. For some reason we kept throwing the ball short on curls rather than attack the safety up the seam. As an example, check the first series against MSU last year.
2. It's quite scary that the things Malzahn believes can hurt Alabama are what Borges seems to dislike the most. I find it highly unlike we're going to utilize tempo (even though we should) and Borges seems to be allergic to many outside running plays or extensions of the run like the bubble.
3. I could actually see some of our deuce and other trick packages being useful against Alabama but I just don't have much confidence in our ability to adjust after the offensive debacle that was the Sugar Bowl. Teams were allowed to stack the box much of last year because of our lack of constraint plays. That has to change if we're to have any chance.
|2 years 41 weeks ago||Toussaint would have gotten||
Toussaint would have gotten more and made Simon irrelevant by taking it further outside.
The Smart Football RG3 Heisman post diagrams an inverted veer playaction TD pass:
|2 years 42 weeks ago||Yes, he has been playing all||
Yes, he has been playing all year but very sparingly early in the season. The few snaps he got were almost all running plays as he was not a legitimate receiving option with the hand/arm injury. Brian commented in the UFR that his presence was a run tip at one point.
I agree with the post above saying that he has been crucial to Denard's resurgence the last few games. Tay was great last year in limited time as well before the injury and made that nice TD grab in the Gator Bowl.
|2 years 42 weeks ago||Well, I don't think either of||
Well, I don't think either of us truly know what happened on those specific plays against Nebraska. I appreciate that you were at 2 spring practices but how do you know they spent much of the bye week working on it? It seems to me that they spent the bye week re-dedicating themselves to running I-Form Power and Iso's and setting themselves up to lose to a mediocre Iowa team.
I've already ceded the point that Denard often makes the incorrect read but I personally think in the 2nd half of the Nebraska game he was instructed to handoff. That's just a guess, as is your assertion.
As for the part about Borges being ineffective...
In your scenario, running the zone read properly has been a focus all spring, fall, and during the bye week. Yet, Denard just had perhaps his worst performance in that area. If he's getting worse, or at least not getting better, it would seem to me that would make Borges pretty ineffective at that coaching point, no?
For the record, I've been pleasantly surprised by Borges this year but his gameplans against State and Iowa cost us a shot at the Big Ten Championship.
Either way, let's see what happens this week.
|2 years 42 weeks ago||Win will cause Brian to...do||
Win will cause Brian to...do an Akron State Golden Bobcat UFR while cackling with knowing glee?
Beat these fools.
|2 years 42 weeks ago||For some reason I don't think||
For some reason I don't think Ohio will have an internal rebellion and continued bickering as to whether Urban is a true "Ohio Man."
|2 years 42 weeks ago||I would be more inclined to||
I would be more inclined to agree with you if all of the "mistakes" seem to be him not pulling the ball rather than mistakes of him keeping when he should give AND not pulling the ball when the end crashes or LB doesn't scrape.
Denard does make lots of mistakes but the examples against Nebraska are quite egregious and repetitive. Do you really think Borges wouldn't have been in his ear after a couple of those if they were true reads? If so, he's not a very effective coach.
While RR ran the zone read less than we ever thought he would, it certainly wasn't abandoned. We had to guess in 2009 and 2010 that he simply turned a lot of the reads into straight zone runs which is exactly what we're surmising now.
Pete99, have you been attending practice?
|2 years 42 weeks ago||Gotta believe those are just||
Gotta believe those are just inside zones without a true read. I'm not sure what I'd prefer as that either makes me pissed at Borges while the alternative is worrisome for Denard. Even though Denard has never been great on the read he's never been THAT bad. They also might have been trying to limit his carries some since he racked up a bunch early in the game.
With regards to the speed option, he did dangerously pitch in the the SDSU game when the speed option debuted, but that might be it. Just going from memory. Like much of what we do, what looks like an option or read is often just a decoy it seems. It's either that or Denard just makes up his mind what he's going to do before the snap. But certainly Hopkins is not a true read on the dive and Odoms is not a true read on the jet motion or end around.
I suppose there's a reason why we never saw the speed option (or additional reads) for Denard under RR.
|2 years 43 weeks ago||QB/RB Alignment||
That's playing with fire, though given the different alignments of the QB in stretch versus inside zone alert opponents might pick up on it.
There's a great video on fishduck.com which talks about the Oregon inside vs. outside zone runs. Until this season, when the RB was lined up slighty behind the QB, it would always mean inside zone. If the RB was to the side of the QB, it would always mean an outside zone.
The guy that runs the site surmised that Kelly WANTS teams to recognize the formation and overreact to the plays which opens up cutback lanes and allows the whole zen part of zone blocking to work even better.
Oregon has broken tendency a couple of times this year to give defenses a few new things to think about but if Michigan commits to using more outside zone along with our steady dose of the belly play (and Denard makes a few better reads) I think we should have plenty of success on the ground in the next 3 games.
Now that the stretch play is back in the arsenal I think it would be VERY nice to allow Denard some carries on the outside zone so he doesn't have to wait up for his blockers every time he heads outside.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||I think that explanation is||
I think that explanation is borderline insane.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||Especially that year they||
Especially that year they went undefeated and then lost because of that rare Arizona blizzard that struck during the Super Bowl. Or something.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||I've gotta believe the triple||
I've gotta believe the triple option stuff was directly related to playing Illinois just as the I-Form Iso's were a function of prepping for Iowa and the inverted veer was installed because of Purdue.
As for the bubble screen, it would seem it's just not manbally enough for our staff. The same can be said for outside zone blocking. Having Denard wait for his blockers on the QB Sweep and Pin & Pull is just painful.
I'm curious to see what Brian says in the UFR about the triple option stuff. I'm wondering if the motioning slot was ever an actual read for Denard or just a decoy. I'm guessing just a decoy but it would be nice to see Tay/Gallon/Grady get a shot or two to carry the ball from the backfield in the next few games.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||Countess and Morgan committed||
Countess and Morgan committed to Michigan when RR was still the coach. Clark was a Hoke recruit.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
well if you have trips and the bubble is an option the defense has to bring at least 3 defenders to that side of the field and safeties are probably going to be a part of that equation...
|2 years 45 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
fewer carries, a less favorable blocking scheme, allowing opposing D to stack the box, etc.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||waiting for blocks||
agreed, not allowing Denard to run outside zone in favor of the power and sweep are big factors and nothing but stubbornness on the part of Borges/Hoke
|2 years 45 weeks ago||http://smartfootball.com/run-|
|2 years 46 weeks ago||"inverted veer"||
those plays are known as the inverted veer or dash read...I think the term inverted veer was invented by Chris at smart football based on what you mentioned, optioning the playside end but reversing the roles of the RB and QB
|2 years 46 weeks ago||you don't know what a bubble screen is||
DeBord would frequently just throw an extended handoff to a single wideout with no potential blockers and hope for a missed tackle.
The bubble punishes a defense for stacking the box and allowing a numbers advantage on the perimeter of a spread formation.
Refusing to allow Denard to check to the bubble against extremely unsound alignments is quite inexplicable.
As an example:
|2 years 48 weeks ago||2 problems then||
1. Last year Borges was coaching a pocket statue in Lindley and now he coaches a guy the defense always has to keep an eye on as a ball carrier. You saw the results.
|2 years 50 weeks ago||It's probably a lot easier to||
It's probably a lot easier to fold and mold Denard and good offensive line type things than SheriThreet, no?
Just painful "analysis."
|2 years 50 weeks ago||Fritz||
Isn't that just a typical midline under center look with Denard as one of the backs?
|2 years 51 weeks ago||Isn't that what's been going||
Isn't that what's been going on for the past 5-10 years anyway?
|2 years 51 weeks ago||You still think Mike Cox is||
You still think Mike Cox is an option? How many more coaching staffs have to bury him before you'll believe he's useless?
|3 years 1 week ago||Some posters here seem to||
Some posters here seem to think that if we just don't turn the ball over we can just back our way into wins.
Denard didn't throw a pick until game 3 last year so we haven't excactly broken new ground by him making it through 3 quarters without turning it over.
Against WMU we might have the luxury of staying pretty vanilla but this team is going to have to put the pedal to the metal if they're going to beat any sort of quality opponent.
|3 years 2 weeks ago||Do you really think Michigan||
Do you really think Michigan played better against Western than they have in any game in the past 3 years? Really?
We were up against Western 31-0 at the half in 2009 and cruised to a 31-7 win. David freaking Cone played.
I think you're a bit hyperbolic about a decent performance against a very shaky team.
|3 years 2 weeks ago||Actually, if anything, I||
Actually, if anything, I thought that the game showed RR's offensive theories are here to stay...or at least while Denard is around.
A good chunk of our offense was taken directly from last year's playbook and for that I'm thankful.
As for the defense, the aggressiveness was nice was but playing cover zero against a quality team with our secondary is a recipe for disaster if we can't generate a pass rush with our front 4.
This whole game was very similar to the opener against UConn last year. We controlled the clock, committed only 1 penalty, no turnovers, forced a turnover in the shadow of the endzone, etc. Let's not make too big a deal either way about 3 quarters against Western.
|3 years 2 weeks ago||What Brian said was that the||
What Brian said was that the offense was 70% shotgun. Most (all?) of the big plays came out of spread looks. The base formation was a 3x1x1 out of the 'gun which just so happens to be the same as 2010.
Meanwhile, what's a hybrid set?
|3 years 2 weeks ago||In the opener last year||
In the opener last year against UConn we won the turnover battle 1-0 and only had 1 penalty so you can't make too big a deal about yesterday's performance.
In fact, yesterday's game felt quite similar to the UConn game although I don't suspect we'll see Western in a BCS bowl this season even if UConn didn't really deserve to be there either.
|3 years 2 weeks ago||Both of the long runs on the||
Both of the long runs on the 3 play drive in the 3rd quarter came out of zone looks. The backside defensive ends were unblocked and kept contain.
The play in between the Fitz and Shaw runs was another RR staple with Denard throwing to the seam after faking the mesh point. He badly missed Dileo but would have had a big gainer if the throw was on the money. The earlier attempt at the play was the early completion to Koger which was also thrown poorly.
The offense was heavily oriented towards the shotgun although we did run more power blocking schemes than in the past. Still, it was a mix as it was last year.
The best comment I saw was from @SpreadOffense, "feel like I'm watching a bootleg copy of Rich Rod's offense."
As pointed out by @smartfootball the only thing we didn't really see was the outside zone which was Denard's bread and butter last year.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||I know how you feel. It||
I know how you feel.
It feels like the new staff is playing tug of war with my heart as they alternate doing things like recruiting a guy like Bellomy while rambling about toughness and manbally power plays.
Meanwhile, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the no-huddle aspect of the spread when discussing the shotgun, manball, etc.
It's one thing to just put a few plays and formations in the book to adapt to your personnel but it's another thing entirely to buy into the no-huddle philosophy. Clearly, tempo is a big part of the most successful spread offenses whether it's RR, Malzahn, Meyer, or Chip Kelly.
I think our offense is going to look something like "Ohio's" only without the great defense. Probably not a recipe for great success unfortunately.
I do take solace in the fact that I don't think we'll ever see anything like DeBord again because of the imprint RR left on the program but only time will tell...
|3 years 4 weeks ago||Inverted Veer...||
Brian, you're slipping. I would have expected you to point out how nice Bellomy looked running the inverted veer in his senior highlights.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Actually, there is nothing||
Actually, there is nothing more subjective than the "eye test."
Meanwhile, I'm not suggesting FEI is the only valid measure of team strength. What I am suggesting is that you don't understand it or even attempt to learn about it.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Do you have evidence beyond 3||
Do you have evidence beyond 3 years at Michigan demonstrating that RR's offense is particularly turnover prone?
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Before you rip certain||
Before you rip certain statistics you should look into what they are actually designed to demonstrate.
FEI is not a fancy counter of piling up meaningless yards or points against inferior competition.
Also, your subscription fee to the Flat Earth Society is past due.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||OFEI: Offensive FEI, the||
OFEI: Offensive FEI, the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's offense.
In addition, OFEI only takes into account FBS games so anything that happened in the UMass or Central Bowling State games is irrelevant.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
"he must be stopped"
|3 years 27 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
he actually said of the North Carolina team but still...
|3 years 34 weeks ago||I think the Ngata thing is||
I think the Ngata thing is just an error but when you have multiple 300 pounders it's easier to move people around...
We really need either Black to step up and force RVB inside or Campbell/Washington to step up and move Martin to the under tackle slot. Ideally both.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||And where did you hear Tate||
And where did you hear Tate was "kicked out of school?"
Tate gave us some great moments. I hope he finds success elsewhere and continues to mature along the way.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||My bad on mixing up the||
My bad on mixing up the Ryan's. At least I didn't say Buddy.
As for NT vs. DT, I'm aware of the difference. Certainly you'd think Washington/Campbell would be the space-eating NT a la Vince Wilfork, Gilbert Brown, or to go a little further back and keeping it local, Jerry Ball.
That being said, I was perusing the Ravens depth chart before I made my post and they have Ngata listed as the DT which I thought was odd and is probably just a mistake but that's why I lined them up as I did.
It doesn't matter now as it looks like we will be running the 4-3 as I figured.
That leaves a few questions:
Van Bergen inside or outside?
Who wins the SAM and Will spots?
Who are the corners? Probably Woolfolk and Floyd but Avery could/should beat out J.T.
Free safety is totally up for grabs and will Kovacs replaced? He might platoon on passing downs if he does keep his job...
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Was wondering the same||
Was wondering the same thing...Mattison has experience with the 3-4 and 4-3 but probably maintained the 3-4 at Baltimore mainly because it was in place with Rob Ryan and successful.
I would prefer the 3-4 and it would be outstanding if we could somehow get Washington or Campbell to play the Ngata role.
I'm not holding my breath on that happening though...
If it did:
DT: Washington / Campbell
DE: Van Bergen
Will: Cam Gordon / Mike Jones
Secondary: less doom?
I'm expecting a more vanilla 4-3 though mainly because it is vanilla.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Don't forget he also knows||
Don't forget he also knows his way around campus.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Bonanza- What are you||
What are you talking about?
Harbaugh stated he was a Michigan Man but wanted the "epitome of a Super Bowl win?" What is the epitome of a Super Bowl win? A Super Bowl win? When did Harbaugh say anything of the sort?
Miles wasn't offered? Really? LSU seems to think he was. And LSU is extending his contract but not raising his salary as you suggest.
I'll support Coach Hoke because he coaches Michigan and he is a passionate guy. That's more than RR ever got from his predecessor or most of his former players and so-called Michigan Men.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Chris Spielman is a homeless||
Chris Spielman is a homeless man's Matt Millen when it comes to evaluating football players and talent. He's clueless and stuck in a bygone era. He also doesn't like the 3-3-5 due to too many bubbles. I am very familiar with his comments.
Since you weren't implying RR recruited players that were too small, I guess you were implying that it was Lloyd's fault?
It's readily apparent that the defense was awful last year, but it didn't have anything to do with our coaching staff(s) recruiting players that were too small.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Agreed PurpleStuff... The||
The people that insist (probably have to include Dave Brandon on this list) that RR failed by not "adapting" to available talent are clueless.
There was no offensive talent in 2008 to adapt to. And he tried anyway as any coach would. I don't recall Sherithreet running many QB Iso's. The same can be said for Tate in 2009.
My only concern with the new staff is whether they will be innovative enough to get the most out of our assembled talent, not just "allow" Denard to continue playing QB or hope he can scramble every now and again.
Hoke's embracing of the 3-3-5 and allowing his coordinators to do their thing is very encouraging though.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
Brian Griese is not a good example.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
You have to be specific when you talk about recruiting, or at least should be.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
You can blame RR for the defense being schematically poor but you can't blame his recruiting. His first recruiting class just finished their true soph season and those guys should only be getting their feet wet.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
who was their guy last time?
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
uh, Tim Tebow?
|3 years 35 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
Spot on, OregonWolverine.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
|3 years 37 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
Hmmm, I heard that Lloyd Brady is the pilot
|3 years 37 weeks ago||It seems to work pretty well||
It seems to work pretty well for Oregon, Auburn, TCU, Florida, etc. in all types of games.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||Trends... 3-5-7-?||
|3 years 37 weeks ago||But didn't RR beat Brian||
But didn't RR beat Brian Kelly this year?
Also, not sure if you noticed but Brian Kelly is currently answering questions about staffers falling to their death and people getting raped.
Plus, we still would have had to hear constant whining/nonsense about the spread not working in the Big Ten, that he's not a Michigan Man, etc.
And you're correct, he's a colossal dick.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||Your 3rd paragraph is quite||
Your 3rd paragraph is quite interesting.
I think it sums up what most RR supporters think is going on and what will continue to happen at U of M.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||Props to Odoms for coming||
Props to Odoms for coming back and playing well today.
Beyond that, the most striking thing for me is how much better he is today compared to when he was forced to play as a true frosh. Talented players that put in the work do improve.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||& Gus Malzahn...||
& Gus Malzahn...
|3 years 38 weeks ago||Without question... I hate||
I hate myself for wasting 10 minutes writing to that dweeb but I look forward to his pitiful reply.
|3 years 38 weeks ago||Rubin is clearly insane and I||
Rubin is clearly insane and I would be astounded if he could name more than 5 players on the entire football team. Has he ever written a sports story before?
I think this bizarre quote is the most telling:
"He'll still be the guy at the party who's scanning the room as he talks to you, looking for someone more glamorous to spend time with."
That is nothing but an unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. Either this happened to Rubin himself and he's just a woman scorned or he's making shit up.
I'm going to write him an email and see what he has to say.
|3 years 38 weeks ago||Earlier in the year we ran||
Earlier in the year we ran some more traditional 4-2-5 nickel packages on passing downs but the defense has been tinkered with so much during the year it's hard to tell what in the world is going on from game to game.
In the OSU game they played a lot of 4-3 under, the base D from last year. Roh would often move from a 2 point stance to a down position just before the snap which seemed to help slow down the OSU run game in the first half.
In our 4-3, Cam Gordon is on the field as the hybrid linebacker so personnel-wise it isn't too far from a 4-2-5 anyway.
I would ASSUME we would see something similar against Miss. St. but you never know...
The base defense against OSU looked like this:
DE: Van Bergen
Hybrid DE/LB: Roh
Hybrid LB: C. Gordon
|3 years 38 weeks ago||Let's set the over/under at||
Let's set the over/under at 4'8"
I'll take the under.
|3 years 39 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
I thought we missed Odoms quite a bit when we were down to a one-legged Stonum and Jeremy Jackson at WR vs. OSU.
|3 years 39 weeks ago||posted from iPhone||
True, but they made those changes out of necessity.
|3 years 39 weeks ago||actually||
neither Kovacs or M Rob play FS. Kovacs is the SS (bandit) and Robinson has played at multiple positions but considering Ray Vinopal got the first look at FS (hero) after Cam Gordon's lack of range was exposed I don't think he is going to end up at FS.
|3 years 41 weeks ago||He was hurt against Notre||
He was hurt against Notre Dame, not UConn
|3 years 41 weeks ago||Peyton Hillis?||
Blaming McDaniels for trading Hillis is completely absurd.
He started the season buried behind a useless Jerome Harrison in Cleveland and is unlikely to have any sustained success past this year and perhaps next. He'll wear down.
Cutler? Really? Jeff George 2.0
McDaniels wasn't ready to be an NFL head coach (yet) but I'd let him run my offense any day. He'll land on his feet and I could see him as a very successful college coach if he ever decided to go in that direction.
|3 years 41 weeks ago||That's right, Coach Rod was||
That's right, Coach Rod was the offensive coordinator at West Virginia for 7 years before coming to Ann Arbor, not the head coach. Yep.
|3 years 41 weeks ago||Please don't say "big blue,"||
Please don't say "big blue," thanks.
|3 years 42 weeks ago||Outside Receiver||
The WR situation could get dicey this week...it's unfortunately similar to the tailback situation for last year's game.
If Hemingway/Stonum can't go or can't make it through the game, we're down to Stokes and Jackson as true outside receivers.
When Odoms went down there was talk of Terrence Robinson taking some snaps on the outside but I haven't noticed that actually happening and he's barely played at all since the non-conference schedule.
I suppose Ricardo Miller could play as well since he already blew his RS on special teams?
Either way, we're going to have to do a lot of damage on the ground or in the slot if we're going to move the ball effectively it would seem...
|3 years 42 weeks ago||Herron||
He WAS injured but has only played on coverage units since his return. He has been active, just not playing.
There's just no room for him in our Gerg-3-5 apparently.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Ugh, I lived in Markley 99-00||
Ugh, I lived in Markley 99-00 and I'm furious we didn't do that!
|3 years 43 weeks ago||FItz & Hopkins?||
Most likely a big dose of Shaw unless he has setbacks in his recovery from his own concussion. He was cleared to play this week so I would expect him to start at OSU if Smith is ruled out.
It would be nice to see FItz get carries though I have a feeling we might have to wait until the bowl game before that becomes likely unless there are more injuries.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Exactly||
Most of us follow this team much closer than any national commentator and their game prep is typically pitiful.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Big Ten-type players.||
Big Ten-type players. Another typical red herring.
Who are the small guys you seen getting thrown around?
Our base defense today:
Ezeh/Demens/Mouton with Cam Gordon as the hybrid.
The corners were Avery and Rogers with Kovacs and Vinopal at safety.
The only guys that are truly undersized on the defense are Kovacs and Vinopal and only one of them was recruited. Without severe attrition Vinopal would be red-shirting and not playing outside of special teams until he was a junior. Kovacs would never have seen the field if not for injury and lack of depth.
I suppose Roh is undersized too for this defense, but he was a 4-star recruit and has been pretty solid since being moved to DE. Do you think he's not a Big Ten-type?
|3 years 43 weeks ago||4-3||
Can't you same thing about recruiting players for a 3-man front? Of course, any of those guys you get from recruiting start out as "freshmen" and then we can blame the lack of experience.
Were you opposed to the 3-4 Michigan often ran under the old regime? Seems to me there would be bubbles in that defense too.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Predictable?||
I'm pretty sure Wisconsin was quite predictable today and we couldn't stop them.
Those predictable runs got Denard 121 at 5.5 per as well.
Our offense is not where it will be next year or beyond but the main problems lie elsewhere.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Bubbles||
Spielman is clueless.
Griese is clueless.
Does anyone really think we would have a competent defense if we simply went to a 4-3 look with our current personnel?
Good job by Spielman mentioning Texas and USC as teams that have reloaded. Oops.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||Beef Machine||
I recall RR saying in the presser that they had a few other things that they had practiced out of that formation. Our version of Gator Heavy debuted the next week (I think) with the dual H-Back's and the true BEEF MACHINE package hasn't been seen since.
|3 years 45 weeks ago||greenphoenix...the play (I||
greenphoenix...the play (I think) you're talking about vs. MSU was against Cullen Christian, not Avery.
|3 years 45 weeks ago||Anything New||
We usually add at least one new wrinkle (and whole new "defenses", zing!) every week.
Last year, we installed the zone read veer against Illinois (http://mgoblog.com/content/picture-pages-zone-read-veer) and it was surmised that we did so since we had to practice defending it.
I wonder if we'll see anything new this week...
|3 years 45 weeks ago||$1||
says we'll be schizophrenic with our fronts and formations again this week. This team has no defensive identity and because nothing has worked the coaches are grasping at straws and trying new things every week. They're on tilt.
Once Royster gashed us early, we freaked out and were susceptible to screens, etc. for the rest of the night. Penn State's FB screen was to Michigan what Air Force
I was having nightmares about defending the option this week but in reality our troubles all boil down to an inability to cover and we'll get picked apart in the air once we sell out to stop the run. Of course, selling out to stop the run means we'll still give up huge chunks on the ground as well.
P.S. One minor quibble I have with many of the above comments is the contention that the kids aren't being put in position to make plays. This is true but only to a certain extent. Talbott should have had a pick against PSU. Vinopal could have broken the TD up on the fade. Kovacs should have had a Rick-6. Cam Gordon should have blown up TJ Jones. There are tons of examples from every game where even decent (more experienced? more talented? less confused?) players make big plays to kill drives or create turnovers. It's not all on the coaches.
|3 years 46 weeks ago||slots in running game||
It was mentioned that we don't have any slots that would be of any use in the running game.
|3 years 46 weeks ago||M. Rob / Vinopal||
I doubt Marvin will be displacing Mouton but I could see him playing alongside him when we go to the 4-2-5 nickel. It does sound like Vinopal will get some time in passing situations as well.
|3 years 47 weeks ago||Denard's Shoulder||
I'm a little bit concerned with Denard's health after hearing RR's answer in the presser. We've gotta hope this isn't something that will be fine until the next time he gets hit on the upper arm or goes down on it.
|3 years 49 weeks ago||Linebackers 2011||
Assuming we stay with the 3-3-5, Roh has one spot locked down.
That leaves Demens, Mike Jones, JB FItzgerald, Brandon Herron, Leach, and possibly Isaiah Bell as the most likely guys to get meaningful playing time. If I had to guess, I'd bet on Demens and Jones getting the nod with Fitzgerald getting lots of reps along with Herron.
Jake Ryan and Jordan Paskorz will be redshirt frosh and we'll have a few true freshman such as Kellen Jones that could challenge for spots on the two deep. Kinard as well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh Furman getting some time at Mouton's spot if he bulks up enough. With Thomas Gordon and Carvin Johnson both getting significant playing time this year, I don't know if Furman will be needed at spur.
|3 years 49 weeks ago||Cullen TD / Cam||
I was sitting 10 rows up in the endzone where Cullen was burned. I closely watched the whole play develop after freaking out as they aligned and Cullen was left alone out on the island.
Cam was playing his standard deep safety position and had plenty of depth but was confused and didn't move while spying the backfield rather than moving over to give help over the top.
Major coaching error to allow Cullen to get isolated that quickly...poor recognition by Gordon to not even react until the ball was well on the way. Cullen was just a deer in the headlights.
Actually, this was a very good example of how pitiful our CB depth situation is. Clearly the coaches are only teaching/using Talbott and Avery in the nickel and dime and when Rogers went down they went to Christian who is probably getting more reps on the outside.