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Illinois and Wisconsin both…

Illinois and Wisconsin both have only 6 losses. I could see Wisconsin winning its final two, although at IU should be tough.

An MSU degree isn't worth…

An MSU degree isn't worth anything? My son just finished at MSU and will attend graduate school at UM. Go figure.

Wow, almost 300 comments on this lame Harbaugh tweet.

Dantonio isn't in your head or anything.

I get it: wait until next year. Too bad the games are actually played on the field, rather than on chat boards.

How is moving to a "much better school"

and better city a "lateral" move. In academics, that's a move up.

Just curious.

Oh, you know Izzo forced the two players out?

You were there during the discussions? Did you read their statements? No hard feelings whatsoever.

And guess what? Izzo is letting them transfer anywhere, and they each have two years of eligibility left.

Funny how you bring up Izzo and it just bites you in the ass. 

Well, Izzo doesn't restrict transfers.

So there's that.

Except that the kids wanted to transfer.

Do you ever bother to check facts, or is MSU so much in your head you can't deal with the fact it has more integrity than Michigan?

That's a rhetorical question, in case you couldn't tell.

Almost certainly?

Yeah, not surprising that's your knee-jerk reaction. The correct answer is no restrictions.

See, our coach is honorable. Your's is a hypocritical wimp.

SIAP, but I didn't see mention of the Pat Forde article

describing how Beilein has put restrictions on where Spike can play.

Pat Forde

Talk about a bunch of hypocrites at Michigan. You're happy to take Jake Rudock from Iowa but Spike can't play for a B1G team? What a bad look.

Yes, Tater, you need to think this.

I remember when you had the courage to post on mlive. You had to leave that board in shame because your annual predictions were always false (MSU would tank in football, Izzo would leave for the NBA, and so on).

All you have left is to spread lies about MSU. You can't stand the fact that MSU is better than Michigan in some things. Do you know how to google? Why don't you find the recent list of rap sheets for football players. MSU is way down on the list. Michigan is pretty high.

Here, I'll help you with the Wall Street Journal's Grid of Shame from 2014:

Grid of Shame

Congratulations, Michigan is well up in the upper right quadrant -- just a little below MSU in both categories.

Oh, here is the list of arrests from the five years prior to August 2015. (And, yes, some of those Michigan players had second chances):

Arrests

Michigan at 19, MSU tied for 49. MSU second in wins per arrest behind Northern Illinois.

Exercise: Find Michigan on that list.

That's rich.

How does it compare with Darius Morris' "Get the fuck of my court!"? To Jalen wiping his butt on the block S at Breslin? To Stauskas openly taunting the crowd at Breslin. Not to mention Zack Novak's antics.

You're team got blown off the court. You expect MSU players not to show a little emotion? In fact, they've been restrained. You're a whiny sort, aren't you? 

Really? His quote implied that MSU could recruit better?

I guess I missed that. Maybe you inferred it. Yeah, I think that's it.

Dantonio's quote implied facts: MSU has been more successful on the field lately than Michigan. That's a fact, Whether MSU draws in better classes because of it is a separate question, and one that Dantonio was silent on.

Nice to see Dantonio still living in your heads over here.

And yet anyone who pays attention to the police blotter

over the last several years finds many more Michigan guys on it than MSU guys.

Nice to see you back on your high horse, Tater. You came running to mgoblog when your mlive predictions five years ago of Izzo's demise and how MSU football would shortly fall off the map were not realized. It must feel real comfortable over here, away from the real world.

Dantonio does the right thing by withholding the offer to see what comes of Robertson. Not surprisingly, on this board that's turned into a negative. But then, Dantonio is seriously in your heads. You really need a win over MSU next year.

Police Blotter

Think of it like this.

If Monty always shows an empty door, his showing an empty door cannot affect the probability that your initial choice is correct. So that door still has a probability 1/3 of being a winner. But that means the probability of the remaining door has to be 2/3 (because one of the doors you didn't pick has been eliminated).

As you say, the math (Bayes' Theorem) verifies that you should switch.

I find it interesting how so many posters want to caution us

about not knowing both sides of the story when it comes to Michigan recruiting, but have no trouble jumping to conclusions when the recruiting involves Ohio State, Alabama, and other traditional powers. Do we ever get both sides of the story?

Newflash: It's the hypocrisy of U-M fans that is getting a lot of attention among other fan bases.

Way nicer? You've never been on MSU's campus, I guess.

I've spent time on both campuses. I agree Michigan's buildings are better on some parts of campus. But the landscaping is nicer at MSU. And MSU has an enclosed campus, so you get the feel of a college campus.

How much are the amenities in AA valued by recruits? The restaurants and coffee shops are better. Is that a big deal? EL has several good restaurants. Is it the museums? Plays? Concerts? How much do those mean to a football recruit? MSU has plenty of that stuff, and unless one is very discerning, you can't tell the difference.

For the typical athlete, what would be obviously more attractive about AA?

You mean the program that

consistently ranks high in objective on field/off field performance metrics?

Please give specific instances of "lack of class," and explain how MSU differs from other programs in "class." Do you mean like when Dantontio took the time to convince a 9-year-old girl, Rowan Fitzsimmons, to wear her back brace? According to her dad, it changed her life. Try Googling it. You may actually learn some facts.

I get it. Most U-M fans cannot stand that MSU is just better right now in football and men's basketball. It won't always be that way, but it is now. You need to denigrate MSU because it's all you've got right now. It's the most ordinary reaction. Yes, most U-M fans are rather ordinary.

Yes, he's still on the team. And not on scholarship.

He was kept out of fall practice, missed 6 games, and is paying his own way. Dantonio let both the legal system and the university do its job.

You really think Williams wasn't punished enough? If he were a UM player you'd be holding that up as evidence of what a real punishment should look like.

Oh, and Delton has been a model citizen and teammate since then. And he's actually not very good -- third string at best. That's hardly a JT Barrett situation.

Do you actually know the law in Ohio,

or are you just spouting off? In some states it is common to release someone arrested on OVI to a sober adult.

Intended to be a response to the "one-game suspension"

recommendation.

Well, Dantonio, whom many of you claim to be incredibly lax,

suspended Mark Meyers for 6 games -- until the legal process ran its course. You don't think MSU could've used a safety who wasn't a true freshman the last two weeks -- not to mention before that?

Yes, he was hurt when Butt landed on him from behind.

JWJ had his knee under him when Butt plowed into him.

 

I guess that kind of ruins the OP's narrative.

Somebody hasn't been paying attention.

Dantonio has already said injuries are no excuse for losing. You're probably the first Michigan fan to ever say something ignorant about Dantonio.

Funny how having Harbaugh hasn't changed the insecurity

on this board when it comes to MSU. I know you need the "MSU is dirty narrative" to feel good about your program. Too bad about reality. Yeah, through the first 3 games MSU is ranked #9 in terms of fewest penalties. Michigan is #33. BYU is #20. You'd think that really dirty teams wouldn't be ranked so high. Or maybe you wouldn't.

Oh, and before you cite the difference in personal fouls versus other penalties, MSU ranks #5 in yardage. Again, one might expect MSU to be much lower if it's getting a lot of cheap shot personal fouls.

No doubt you think there's a conspiracy and the refs are looking the other way. 

Is that the true success of a college BB program?

I thought, you know, actually winning games in college was the measure of success. But that's just me.

By your argument, Izzo is still getting very good players to go to MSU even though his past players don't make a big splash in the NBA. What does that tell you? Maybe that Izzo gets players who also like to win college basketball games?

tater, why are you worried?

On mlive you used to post repeatedly how (1) Izzo would be in the NBA by 2011 or (2) Izzo was washed up and the program would tank.

I can see why you've chose the safety of mgoblog, where you can post delusional things without having to produce any facts.

A little MSU history ....

John Hannah, the former long-time MSU president, thought it was counter to the land grant philosophy to ask private citizens, including alumni, to donate to the university. A public university, especially one educating students from all walks of life, should be publicly supported.

MSU was way behind other B1G universities and has had to make a strong push moving forward.

MSU's endowment is now above that of many flagship universities, including Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin. That's not an easy achievement.

That Michigan has so many more resources than MSU -- not to mention the first-mover advantage -- is a major reason why U-M should, in the long run, be better than MSU at everything. It would take serious mismanagement not to make that true.

Gee, and I wonder why?

It's because U-M fans are always claiming they have the best character guys and are superior in every way to other programs. MSU fans are just pointed out that is absolutely false. Get it?

Except, of course, there were no ski masks.

But whatever makes you feel better. Interesting how this false statement is still out there among U-M fans. So much for being smarter and more objective than other fans.

Those who stay ...

will have to try out.

So when Izzo complains

about calls, he's a "little bitch," but when Harbaugh does it, he's "intense." Got it.

If it's a non-commitable offer

how come Harbaugh then takes the commit? Doesn't accept the verbal mean, by definition, it was a commitable offer?

I hope for U-M's sake Harbaugh isn't really playing the game of accepting a verbal until someone better comes along. I can imagine many in the Michigan commmunity might not be thrilled with that strategy.

Way to address the substance.

How is it a little too much for me? Seems like logic is too much for you. And your monicker is "HateSparty"? Someone's obsessed with MSU. Talk about being in your head. Wow.

I thought U-M fans were smart.

Either 90% of you have severe trouble with reading comprehension or you're in so much denial you refuse to even register the reason given for the MSU-Michigan score on the ring.

I get it. Your only satisfaction at this point is your superiority complex over MSU fans. You need that to be true. Guess what? By paying so much attention to what is on an MSU ring, you come off looking like the obsessed fan base. Especially when a sensible reason was posted more than three hours before you posed. Denial much?

Yes, MSU beating Michigan

has nothing to do with MSU's success, but only Michigan's failure. Nice logic.

 

Except of course one poster explained it correctly.

Had MSU beaten Oregon or OSU, that would've been the second score on the ring. Last year, the OSU score was also on the Rose Bowl ring because that was deemed the second most important victory. Last year, the win over Michigan was bigger for MSU than wins over Nebraska and Penn State. U-M fans should be flattered that MSU still considers a win over Michigan a big deal. When it's no longer a big deal, you'll know you're program is in serious trouble.

+1 for the Tap reference

If I were allowed to give you +1.

So Tater,

this is where you landed. How come you left mlive? Could it be that predicting every year that Izzo was washed up and MSU football was on its way to second-tier status never quite happened?

Like many UM fans

you need to believe this for the world to make sense. Here's the reality. Most MSU fans want Dantonio to get his plan A guys -- regardless of ranking -- because the guy has done so well with plan Bs, and worse. Dantonio is now getting more of his plan A guys, and that naturally means more stars and better offers. It's not about stars. It's about first choices.

Have you ever listened to Staudt and Ebling on radio?

Ebling hasn't written for the LSJ in a decade. Staudt writes a Sunday column -- that's it. Staudt's mainly a TV and radio guy. Ebling turned himself into a TV/radio guy.

Catch their shows sometimes. Staudt is an uninformed blatherer. Ebling does his research and has good guests. Staudt has always been a UM wannabee. He's constantly predicted better things for Michigan the past several years -- and he's been wrong. He's the sort of MSU alumnus who wants to hedge his bets to show he can be "objective." I know, because I'm similar. But his comments in the LSJ are hardly different than when Hoke and Rich Rod took over.

No kidding. See, for example, the thread about Swanigan.

Most on here stated he's overrated. I wonder what would've been said if he had committed to Michigan.

Some posters on here have short memories.

So ESPN knows Clark's choice

but has been able to keep it quiet?

And yet another uninformed Michigan fan.

Man, MSU must really be in your head. He didn't call a press conference. He was asked a question at the Cotton Bowl press conference.

Except he didn't hold a press conference.

Remember, MSU is in a bowl game. Cook was asked a question at the Cotton Bowl press confernce. Get it?

He was asked a question at the Cotton Bowl press conference

He didn't "announce it twice." I guess Michigan fans wouldn't know about players getting asked questions at a bowl press conference.

Exactly why do M fans think they're better than other fans? I find that most of you are either ignorant or petty when it comes to MSU.

You don't seem to understand how an efficient market works.

If the spread moves too far one way or the other -- as measured by the sentiment of gamblers -- the spread will be adjusted as money flows in. The Las Vegas spread is the best predictor of the outcome. That doesn't mean it's necessary a great predictor, or even a good one. But it's the best one.

Total BS, and you know it.

But I know you need to think this. In fact, some MSU fans fault Dantonio for not applying enough pressure. He doesn't demand on-the-spot commitments. He tells kids to go home, think it over, talk to their parents.

It's not like the GVSU game was an exhibition game or anything.

Oh, wait. It was. And it wasn't televised. And it was ignored by ESPN because ... well, you know, it was an exhibition game.

I don't remember if the spread was as high as 24. Oh, wait. There was no spread. Because it was an exhibition game.

You're catching on, I bet.

Uh, Dantonio has often talked about how he respects and

likes Hoke. But I know, that doesn't fit into the U-M narrative, so screw the facts. Let's just make stuff up.

Do you want Dantonio gushing over Hoke and his team right now? If he did that, you'd accuse him of doing it just to keep Hoke as the HC at Michigan. See, I've figured out the U-M fan mentality.

In fact, it was noticeable -- at least to the MSU sideline.

I sit on the MSU sideline between the north end 35 and 40. The stake was planted at about the 30, probably 15 yards in from the sideline. I actually thought Bolden just slammed his fist into the ground, which was the signal to everyone to start shuckin' and jivin'. I'm in row 12, and could see the MSU players, who were lined up for the Anthem, looking at each other. It just seemed weird and out of place.