TO THE HOT TAKE CANNON
|2 years 37 weeks ago||No, they changed that rule||
You can be on a scholarship now if you transfer within the Big Ten. The new "punishment" is that the year you have to sit out counts against your eligibility. In other words, you can't use the sit out year as a redshirt year.
|3 years 8 weeks ago||Yep this is true||
see this press release from Minnesota in regards to their RB Kirkwood, which frankly only raises more question about the current situation
"University of Minnesota running back Donnell Kirkwood has been granted a medical hardship waiver by the Big Ten Conference. Kirkwood's participation in the 2010 season will not count against him and he will have four seasons of eligibility remaining.
"This is great news for Donnell and for our football program," head coach Jerry Kill said. "We're happy for him and we appreciate all those who assisted in getting the waiver approved."
Kirkwood rushed for 107 yards on 27 carries, averaging 4.0 yards per carry, early in the 2010 season before missing the remainder of the year with a leg injury.
|3 years 14 weeks ago||Pretty sure Gregory already committed and decommitted from||
Arkansas. I know it's not out of the ordinary to recommit, but it's more the exception.
|3 years 16 weeks ago||No he did not visit No, he is||
No he did not visit
No, he is no longer an optin for UM
Rivals and Scout suggest this was UM's decision
|3 years 19 weeks ago||LSU has an OC||
who I believe just got a nice little pay raise. That article is from January. But he is under consideration for the Akron HC job.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||No, no it's true||
Lloyd Carr is solely responsible for Nick Moore catching 20 passes against Michigan and Steve Threet's pick 6.
|3 years 21 weeks ago||Just for clarification||
this incident occurred two years ago when Gibbons was a Freshman, but was never identified at the time. Although, it was strongly rumored to be him.
Article on arrest:
Also, here's the writeup on the actual comments by Mr. Smith
"In 2009, a UM football player and field goal kicker, Brendan Gibbons was arrested for allegedly
With all of the being said, I would still be in favor of just locking but not deleting this thread. Hopefully the comments will remain level headed
|3 years 21 weeks ago||Except for that whole||
calling Terrelle Pryor on his way out the door at West Virginia. RR was recruiting during that time
|3 years 21 weeks ago||Short answer||
is yes it's possible and yes it's financially better to be IU during bowl season, especially in the Big 10 where it's basically an even split
|3 years 22 weeks ago||fwiw|
|3 years 26 weeks ago||Do you have a link for that?||
Do you have a link for that? Either way it wouldn't matter because Kirkwood got his in January of this year following the 2010 season, the same time that Gardner could have gotten his
|3 years 26 weeks ago||I think people should prepare||
I think people should prepare themselves for the very real possibility that Devin is not getting his redshirt. This theory that this decided after eligibility is exhausted is not true. It is only true for people trying to get a sixth year (like Case Keenum), not just a generic medical redshirt. Now I'm no expert on the NCAA/Big Ten rulebook but here are some examples:
Junior Hemingway: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hemingway_junior00.html
"Sophomore (2008) ... received medical redshirt ... played in four games and made one start at wide receiver ..."
Donnell Kirkwood (RB Minn): http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/114249984.html
"Kirkwood had 50 yards against Middle Tennessee State that night, but the 18-yard gain was his biggest of the season. He didn't carry the ball again after straining his right hamstring on Sept. 25, just four games into the regular season.
As a result, the NCAA has restored a year of eligibility for the 19-year-old tailback, allowing him to play four more seasons at Minnesota."
So, these are just two quick examples of people being granted medical redshirts after their Freshman and Sophomore.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||(No subject)||
|3 years 27 weeks ago||As everyone else said it's conference record||
that determines the divisional standings. Division record is the second tie break. So currently as it stands, Nebraska and Iowa actually control their own destiny and MSU and Michigan need help.
|3 years 29 weeks ago||guess I'll put this here||
|3 years 32 weeks ago||No I get that they're dependent on each other||
and that Denard's struggles are affecting the WR.
|3 years 32 weeks ago||It's not just the games||
but the pre-season practice reports were not glowing of the wr corps either. The point is I think the staff has weighed the relative need of taking a second DT versus getting skill positions on offense and determined that those skill positions are a more pressing need given the play to date and the current makeup of the recruiting class.
I'm not sure I disagree with them, if that is indeed the case. Or perhaps this is all spin out of Webb and O'Brien simply was never going to go to Michigan, which is certainly possible.
|3 years 32 weeks ago||"I dont think O'brien adds as||
"I dont think O'brien adds as much to that as, say, Darboh would add to our WR situation. "
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here. The complete lack of an emergence of a go to WR and RB has played a big role in this, in my opinion.
|3 years 32 weeks ago||"Apparently the Big 10 is||
"Apparently the Big 10 is working with Nebraska to facilitate entrance into the AAU."
Nebraska was in the AAU at the time of their admittance and then schools like Michigan and Wisconsin voted them out of the AAU. So not sure the above statement is particularly accurate.
|3 years 33 weeks ago||Texas-OU is the much bigger rivalry||
than OU-Nebraska especially since the Big 12 killed it
|3 years 33 weeks ago||So||
Michigan's defense and offense need a lot of work regardless of the outcome of the ND game? Thanks OSU article writer guy.
|3 years 33 weeks ago||He's been wrong on a bunch of stuff||
Here's one example:
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
There is no truth to reports that Texas A&M will join the SEC in the spring of 2012. None. #A&M #Aggies#big12 #cfb
For all the Aggies wondering who my sources are on this, they are sources at the highest level of your school.
|3 years 33 weeks ago||My random thought||
is you do a patch that is not necessarily person specific and then add a star to the patch for each legend that has worn that number. Pretty much ripping off the World Cup jerseys for soccer.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||Both are||
|3 years 35 weeks ago||That's not really a lot going on||
now this on the other hand
and is it really more than
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Oh thank god it didn't||
|3 years 35 weeks ago||espn3 and btn2go.com tomorrow||
espn3 and btn2go.com tomorrow I believe
|3 years 36 weeks ago||I prefer watching premier league||
but that's just me. They have games now early on Saturday/Sunday mornings on ESPN2 and then FSC, so it's usually always on. The Champions League is more of a tournament than an actual league, in my view. The games are usually during the week as opposed to league games on the weekend.
|3 years 38 weeks ago||This feels like a post||
That should have been written 6 months ago
|3 years 40 weeks ago||Brady hoke is the coach of||
Brady hoke is the coach of the University of Michigan, Rich Rodriguez is not. Perhaps you can show a little more respect to the coach of the team you say you cheer for.
|3 years 40 weeks ago||3-4 kids need to be cleared||
3-4 kids need to be cleared to reach 26. We will know by February 2012
|3 years 40 weeks ago||what's funny is that post was put together||
by the Sparty mods in an effort to put down UM fans lauding Hoke's recruiting. Congrats Dudeness, this must be a great day for you alligning yourself with Sparty
|3 years 41 weeks ago||Was just being a smartass||
Was just being a smartass based on my screen name
|3 years 41 weeks ago||Thread title was deceiving||
|3 years 43 weeks ago||It was an institutional thing||
and related to textbooks.
"The infractions involved 89 athletes in 10 sports from the spring semester of 2003 to the end of the 2004-05 school year. A separate investigation is ongoing involving former men's basketball coach Ronny Thompson, who resigned in July amid accusations that he and his assistants broke NCAA rules by attending voluntary offseason workouts in 2006 and 2007 and lying about their involvement."
"At the time, the university's bookstore had a computerized system that placed $1,000 per semester in each athlete's account, but there was no system to check the class schedules to make sure the books corresponded with the classes the athletes were taking.
Those whose schedules did not require $1,000 worth of textbooks were able to use the balance to obtain books for friends and other athletes who were not on scholarship, the NCAA found.
The university has been reimbursed for the value of the books and "all books involved were accounted for," Collins said."
|3 years 43 weeks ago||This was written back in March||
he included Elmer at the beginning, I just didn't copy him over:
First, I will give you the name of a Class of 2013 in-state sleeper who absolutely nobody is talking about. He is an offensive lineman who could well follow in the tradition of Jake Long and recent Oregon signee Jake Fisher. His name is Steven Elmer (6-6, 297, 5.15 forty, Midland High) and he could well have as much potential as any lineman in the state of Michigan.
Again, this was written in March before Elmer started getting all of his offers.
|3 years 43 weeks ago||some other names||
and names that are probably being repeated. This is from:
He says this is not in any particular order and just some names to keep a look out for and this is generally from Michigan's perspective. Also, he has short blurbs on each that I did not copy
1) Shane Morris (QB, 6-3, 185, 4.90, Warren De La Salle)
2) Berkley Edwards (RB, 5-9, 172, Chelsea): Younger brother of former Michigan star Braylon Edwards.
3) Brandon Moore (WR/DB/P, 6-4, 190, Montague):
4) Adam Coon (DL/OL, 6-5, 230, 4.80, Fowlerville):
5) Luke MacLean (DL/LB, 6-3,233, 4.85, Grand Blanc):
6) Wyatt Shallman (DL/RB, 6-3, 241, 4.92, Novi Detroit Catholic Central):
7) John Reschke (LB, 6-2, 215, 4.65, Birmingham Brother Rice):
8) Trent Bragg (LB/WR/DB, 6-1, 200, Detroit Frederick Douglass):
9) John Doyle (LB/FB, 6-1, 215, 4.80, Grosse Pointe South):
10) Dai-Zoun Oliver (DB/RB, 5-9, 164, 4.40, Melvindale):
11) Jaleel Canty (DB/WR, 5-9, 184, 4.46, Lansing Everett):
12) Eddie Huckleby (DB/LB/ATH, 5-10, 175, Farmington Hills Harrison): The son of former Michigan star RB Harlan Huckleby.
13) Demetrius Stinson (DB/RB, 5-9, 175, Detroit Frederick Douglass):
14) K.C. Zenner (DB, 6-0, 181, Rockford):
14) Grant Niemic (RB/LB, 5-11, 205, Orchard Lake St. Mary’s):
15) Amani Bass (QB/ATH), 6-1, 180, Jackson Lumen Christi): Younger brother of former Michigan player Antonio Bass
|3 years 44 weeks ago||Because the Scout and Rivals||
profile don't show every single offer that a kid may have. And, the profile is based on the recruit's interest not a school's. So, just because Bama offered doesn't mean it will show up because Wormley has expressed no interest in them.
Point being, don't trust the Rivals and Scout profiles as the gospel of offers
|3 years 45 weeks ago||"his offer can be yanked without repurcussion."||
You can say that about every single commit in this class. There are no written offers out yet and even then written offers can be yanked.
And we do know how this was handled. UM offered him a grey shirt opportunity and he took it. They explained to him that they did not have room in this class for him right now but may if Wilson goes elsewhere but they still wanted him and this is the way they could do it.
|3 years 45 weeks ago||Don't really disagree with your main point||
grey shirts are subject to abuse. Was more just commenting that the way this one has been handled seems more than above board and in no way shady or abusive. If they got rid of grey shirts all together, it wouldn't cause me any heartburn whatsoever
|3 years 45 weeks ago||To me the difference in the way the SEC||
gets trashed over it is that the full ride for a kid becomes a grey shirt offer after he has already accepted what he believes is a normal offer and just before he enrolls so the school can fit under the limit.
I don't think it's as big of deal when the grey shirt offer is made up front and the kid knows what he is accepting.
|3 years 45 weeks ago||The issue though||
is very few schools have seen him at his new height. The limited times would be camps and spring evaluations. Based on his camp performance, UM felt he deserved a scholarship. The biggest thing with him will obviously be to watch his development in his senior year (I know very obvious statement, but I think applies in this case even more). This isn't a late offer senior year hoping that a sleeper pans out.
|3 years 46 weeks ago||Let's just get this part out of the way||
"Three other Big Ten institutions -- Iowa, Michigan State and Michigan - said that it is OK for their compliance officers to get free dealer cars. The eight other schools, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin said that they do not allow it."
|3 years 49 weeks ago||There's actually a 940||
in there before the 897 comes off, so without a large buffer replacing the 918 or a similar 940 the following year, we'll still be watching this. Then the 897 comes off and everything should be back to "normal"
|3 years 49 weeks ago||Yeah not sure about White||
but good call on Emilien. And I'm sure there are a handfull of others. But my larger point is, I don't think that academic year so the large swath of attrition that the previous two did.
|3 years 49 weeks ago||Next year's number||
will be for the 2010-11 academic year, a.k.a this past one. So yes Forcier will show up on this coming year as well as anybody that left between June 2010 and before the completion of this academic year. But I don't think it would include that many people. For example, someone like Cullen I believe finished the school year out, so he would actually count against the 2011-12 year.
I'm trying to think of the players that have left since last June but can't come up with who that would have been. Justin Turner I think, but who else?
|3 years 49 weeks ago||link to pdf of all||
link to pdf of all programs
|3 years 49 weeks ago||ok. thank you||
ok. thank you
|3 years 49 weeks ago||just from reading around, Wilson's recruitment||
with Michigan seems to be on the backburner. Whose choice that is, is not clear. But what seems to be clear is that Michigan is sitting well (top 2 if not outright leader) with:
T. Richardson (Commit)
Those guys seem to be the focus right now and that would be 5 DB's on top of the 5 DB's brought in the last class, where some of the kids could project as FS. Whether Wilson is part of this class or not (and his recruitment may pick up again if the above kids fall to the side), the S position will be addressed.
|3 years 50 weeks ago||Yes||
"but seems to indicate that transfers of students in good academic standing won't count against schools."
This rule has been in place for several years now and schools have taking advantage of it. As I understand it what it does is the school does not count a retention point but gets to keep an eligibility point.
As way of example, each student every semester is worth up to 2 points. One for staying in school and one for staying eligible. You add up all the points and apply some math and you get the APR. So if a student leaves in bad standing, a school gets 0 for 2 for that kid. It hurts. What this adjustment allows is that a kid who leaves in goo academic standing counts as 1 for 1. The retention point is no longer considered gained or lost, so it is removed from the equation.
that's my understanding anyway
|3 years 50 weeks ago||Because the 2010 APR||
is for the 2008-2009 academic year
|3 years 51 weeks ago||Yeah I think you just underestimated||
Helmhodt's disdain for the kid's game. I'm nor disagreeing with your evaluation as it's consistent with all of the other national sites as well as all Ohio sites. Rivals is the only one out of whack.
|3 years 51 weeks ago||Yes||
but not particularly relevant to this class because the 85 man limitation is what will prevent the class from expanding not the 25 man class limitation.
|3 years 51 weeks ago||I'm surprised you're confused by Wormley||
You're on Rivals so you know that Josh thinks he's average at best and without any midwest presence, Rivals leans on him for evaluations. There was no way Wormley was going to be ranked well by Rivals.
|3 years 51 weeks ago||247 sports update this morning||
Four-star CB Terry Richardson close to announcing?
23 minutes ago
|4 years 4 days ago||There is a clearly a third group||
that thinks the billboard is stupid and couldn't possibly give less of a shit about who put it up whether it is attributed to UM fan or not.
|4 years 4 days ago||Here's the thread but Balas||
Here's the thread but Balas didn't respond in it that I see
|4 years 4 days ago||If I had to project my ideal DL class it would||
be something along the lines of
2 DT: Let's just say Day and Pipkins
2 SDE/DT: Let's say Godin and Wormley
2 WDE: Brown and Ojumedia
If there's enough attrition I think you can fit in all 6 guys but I think this breakdown fills the most needs and allows the flexibility of Godin and Wormley if they eventualy outgrow SDE to slide inside and play DT.
And I believe that you are correct that Godin slides in as a replacement for RVB at SDE
|4 years 4 days ago||They're not technically recruits||
they're kids that are already signed up and have moved to the school for the summer but aren't yet enrolled. So this isn't on an official visit or anything but just for kids that haven't been able to move into the dorms yet for whatever reason.
Not sure if that makes it worse or better
|4 years 4 days ago||food for thought||
TomVH Tom VanHaaren
Instate DE Mario Ojemudia said he's getting close to a decision. He's not sure exactly when yet.
|4 years 6 days ago||(No subject)||
|4 years 6 days ago||more info and speculation||
can be found here
|4 years 1 week ago||three||
add Bennie McGowan, OG from Ohio
|4 years 1 week ago||2 is the||
NCAA limit actually, so UM has the same amount of GA's as everyone else. They used to have more QC guys which is probably what you were thinking of. There's no NCAA limit on QC guys though.
|4 years 1 week ago||No they're different.||
UM has two grad assistants this year. And it wasn't the GA's that were really causing the issue as much as it was the QC guys. And just in the way of additional information the two grad assistants are Roy Manning and Aubrey Pleasant
The QC guys appear to be actually labeled "Football Analysts" this year and there are three of them per the NCAA ruling.
Here's the complete list
|4 years 1 week ago||That's the standard||
NCAA punishment for practice overage violations.
|4 years 1 week ago||From the NCAA report||
1. The reduction of the number of quality control staff members for football from five to three until the conclusion of the 2011-12 football season. The institution will not create new non-coaching football staff positions during this time.
2. Quality control staff members will not be allowed to attend practices during 2010-11 football pre-season and regular season.
3. Quality control staff members will be prohibited from engaging in any normal game-day activities (i.e., being present on the sidelines, in the press box or in the locker room, travel with the football team to away games, attend team or coaches meetings on game day, etc) during the 2010-11 football season. Quality control staff members will be treated in the same manner as other non-football staff on game days.
4. Quality control staff members will not be allowed to attend coaches meetings from June 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010.
and on the hours:
3. The institution has concluded that its football program exceeded the limits for countable athletically related activity time by a total of approximately 65 hours during 2008 and 2009 (24 hours during winter, 32 hours during summer and nine hours during the regular season). As a result, the institution will decrease the permitted countable athletically related activity time by 130 hours beginning June 1, 2010, and ending no later than the conclusion of the 2011-12 academic year. (Institution imposed)
I don't know if Hoke was sticking to the timeline that RR set forth. My guess is that he's not because of the time needed this spring and fall to implement the new systems.
|4 years 1 week ago||Omar Hunter||
is the main one you'll hear about from Domers.
|4 years 1 week ago||Morgan would make a good fullback||
but I think the LB corps is in much more critical shape than fullback. And by that I mean while there are may bodies, there are still many question marks.
Also, Michigan is getting a walk-on fullback this year in Joe Kerridge from Traverse City. He blew out his knee at the beginning of his senior year so he went lightly recruited.
Here is his junior film. If he can recover from his knee surgery, I think he can find some serious playing time at UM
|4 years 1 week ago||link to actual letter||
from the ncaa and the notice
|4 years 1 week ago||Need and speed||
Need and speed
|4 years 2 weeks ago||yeah I couldnt' get it to work||
right now either. But search the site here if your looking for UM stuff. Brian posts enough about it you should be able to find some stuff to keep you up late tonight
|4 years 2 weeks ago||FEI||
at www.footballoutsiders.com is probably what you're looking for
|4 years 2 weeks ago||He and his father did not||
He and his father did not care for Hoke and Mattison's assessment of where he stood on the depth chart.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||that number||
|4 years 2 weeks ago||As long as the guys||
leave in good academic standing with , I think, a 2.0 or higher, it's not as big of a hit. The APR should be ok, but it could get close.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||What's funny is||
as I hit entered I was thinking "ok that's not completely accurate because something beyond crazy could happen."
Seriously though, at the end of the day we don't know what Cullen is thinking here. He was clearly fighting for second string with Woolfolk and Floyd the presumed starters and Anderson and Avery behind them. How close was he to second string? Are Woolfolk and Floyd really going to b healthy come August? Only he and the coaches know that answer. But if he was struggling to beat out Anderson/Avery and essentially being on par with Talbott and there's four freshman coming in nipping at his heels, with one having a pretty decent spring showing, I could see him deciding to move on. (probably a run-on sentence there). I don't necessarily agree with his decision, but I could see it.
So could he have been one play away? possibly so if he busted his ass during the summer and proved to the coaches he belonged or maybe the writing was already on the wall for him.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||A third stringer behind a||
A third stringer behind a walk-on is more than a play away from playing.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||While that would make sense||
The players and coaches were supposedly meeting this week. It's possibly he realized after that meeting that his future may be better off elsewhere
|4 years 2 weeks ago||If woolfolk and Floyd return healthy||
Cullen wasn't going to be in the two-deep. He couldn't beat out Anderson or Avery this spring which sticks him in third when everyone returns. And that's not counting Countess, Taylor and Brown (who has looked decent of late supposedly). And while UM is not extremely deep at Safety they seem to be pretty good with Carvin there and someone like Carter probably moving there when he gets in
|4 years 2 weeks ago||I would be willing to bet||
that former football players will not be the only attendees. I would think that there will be several wealthy alumni at these events as well. So fund-raising will be a large component of this
|4 years 3 weeks ago||Jamie Lee Curtis?||
Jamie Lee Curtis?
|4 years 3 weeks ago||Thomas Gordon disagrees||
that he's undersized
|4 years 3 weeks ago||They don't officially join the Big Ten||
until July 1 so I'm guessing there are some contractual issues that prevent coverage
|4 years 3 weeks ago||The Alabama and Bear Bryant||
should be very flattered
|4 years 3 weeks ago||it's not thin||
it's scary as shit
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I do||
but certainly understand if you don't. He definitely deserves it. But regardless, Tony Anderson has been running with the 1's as the corner opposite Avery.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||As has been stated throughout this thread||
this is just one person's viewpoint after a couple of days. In addition, I offer this as it seemed fitting:
Michigan just let in all manner of heathens to observe a couple practices, ping various coaches for information, and take in a Saturday scrimmage; naturally, this has created a ton of internet chatter. Also naturally, large portions of it conflict with other portions of it. There's a faction of super insiders on Rivals declaring Denard Robinson to be a complete disaster and one focused here proclaiming him to be Pat White—except fast! Tate Forcier is either looking like a "walk-on" or the obvious starter, and Devin Gardner is either a total n00b or Vince Young—except fast!
April 13, 2010
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I think this is a point that needs to be emphasized||
"He can make every throw in this offense with accuracy. He just needs more reps to gain some much needed comfort, and probably a break from the pressure of practice to study on his own."
I'm sure the coaches are trying to get him up to speed as quick as possible as they only have 15 practices. That's a lot of information to process. Given the summer to digest the information, I think we will see a different Denard in the fall practice.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||there are walk ons||
playing with the first string D
|4 years 3 weeks ago||Also fwiw||
there were some reports that Mattison unleashed the defense on Saturday with the intent of confusing the shit out of the offense. success. If that's the case I'll be curoius if the same plays itself out on Saturday. Also, as a nother note:
Borges said Denard Robinson is "completing over 65 percent of his passes" during spring practice
|4 years 3 weeks ago||it's just||
one observer's impression of a couple days of practice. I wouldn't put too much stock in it. At this point last year, Gardner was taking the No. 1 snaps in practice
|4 years 4 weeks ago||I think it's just the NCAA||
cracking down on these recruiting services and Rivals and Scout will get caught up in it. Some of the writers can be....let's just say "not impartial."
edit: I guess the issue is:
bylawblog The Bylaw Blog
The reason is that Rivals provides video of nonscholastic competition that is not available to the general public.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||nothing||
bylawblog The Bylaw Blog
Just got word institutions may not subscribe to Rivals. RT @ACCSports: Care to elaborate?
|4 years 4 weeks ago||that is||
not a compliment
|4 years 4 weeks ago||it's not like this would be the first||
# 11 - Francis Wistert, 1931-33, tackle, All-Am. 1933
|4 years 4 weeks ago||no wisconsin until 2015 kind||
no wisconsin until 2015 kind of sucks.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||doesn't need it's own thread||
doesn't need it's own thread and I missed it if was posted but this is out there.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||4*, No. 27 OLB and No. 238 overall on Scout|
|4 years 4 weeks ago||you don't really believe||
there won't be attrition though right?
|4 years 5 weeks ago||more||
Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon, reached by The Detroit News via email on Friday, was not ready to confirm details about the Wolverines' special night-game uniform.
"We have been working on this (and are) pretty excited about it," Brandon said. "(There's) nothing finalized to show at the present time."
|4 years 5 weeks ago||spring game||
OSU is wearing those for the spring game
|4 years 5 weeks ago||(No subject)||
|4 years 5 weeks ago||Bruce Tall||
was the safeties coach at WVU and then became the DL coach at UM. I think he's just saying that he may not have been the best person to get the most out of BWC because that wasn't his natural coaching position or at least the position he had coached the most.
|4 years 5 weeks ago||fwiw||
RR's first year base compensation was 300K with 1.6 million in additional compensation. Then it looks like he got a 300K raise each year. So Hoke's contract is pretty inline except it only escalates by 100K
|4 years 5 weeks ago||"And you're trying to tell me||
"And you're trying to tell me that a second tier Big (formerly) 12 school can offer more in cash, benefits, and chacne to win than one of the top 3 hoops programs in the Big Ten?"
Yeah, they can and will. The rumor is that Mizzou is putting up well over 2 million for him. It would be close to double his current salary.
|4 years 6 weeks ago||Yeah, I'm not sure why people still go that site||
some awesome examples of theirs:
or this one which featured this:
|4 years 7 weeks ago||(No subject)||
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Nothing||
this is nothing more than an appearance issue. The NCAA and more importantly the media have determined that (probably rightfully so) that the 7 on 7 circuit is potentially dangerous and could develop into an AAU type system. No one wants that. Flenory runs the most successful of these camps and tournaments, so he is naturally the target. With him under the spotlight of the NCAA, any and all associations of his are going to be scrutinized. That's why you end up with the long ass piece by FoxSports analyzing Barnett and Flenory's relationship.
So with Michigan coming off of a year long battle or so with NCAA, violations and media perception, this is something that needs to be nipped in the bud before it gains any traction.
So like I said, nothing has shown that Michigan is anywhere in the wrong and none of the articles have even approached accusing UM, but this is mere an issue of appearance.
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Here's the quote I was referring to||
“[W]e stopped doing it because the NCAA said recruiting services could no longer do camps on college campuses. Because we were running camps, we decided that was a better business for us than to sell the recruiting packages.”
edit: And just to add on some comments from Flenory that came out today:
"I feel targeted," Flenory said at his company-run Badger Sports 7-on-7 tournament. "I don't mind that as much. What I do mind is the assassination of character and the broad-painted pictures without facts. Most of it's speculation. Fact: We did get paid by the University of Oregon for selling them a recruiting service. However, the recruiting service was discontinued because the NCAA didn't allow us."
Barnett, who transferred high schools five times, also had an up and down recruitment that included a verbal commitment to Oklahoma during his junior year. The 6-foot-6, 250-pound tight end later committed to Arkansas before taking an official visit to Michigan right before Signing Day. Issues in his personal life are one reason why Barnett soured on the Razorbacks, according to Flenory.
"I had a hand in him getting a scholarship to Michigan but not to him even going to Michigan," said Flenory. "He didn't really like Arkansas and I think he went to Arkansas because of the situation he had prior. He didn't like it and didn't want to go there. He called me and said, 'B, I need help and don't want to go to Arkansas, what can I do?' So I just sent out a message saying Chris Barrnett's looking. Michigan answered, he took a visit and ended up there. I didn't go on his visit with him, I don't live with him, I didn't even know he committed to tell you the truth."
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Because he stopped selling them||
A couple of years back. The NCAA told him that he could do the camps or the recruiting service but not both. He chose the camps. And the camps are independent of UM in regard to the fact that he pays for the time and space. UM is more than happy to rent it out as it's a nice recruiting tool, but I believe that's as far as that relationship goes
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Minnesota Vikings is the||
Minnesota Vikings is the rumor I've read in the past
|4 years 7 weeks ago||BadgerSport||
is anathletic apparel company that sponsors these tournaments
The tournaments are run by New Level Athletics
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Woolfolk||
is supposedly starting out at CB, but I don't know how much he's actually expected to pratice, if at all, this spring.
Furman and Robinson are both safeties to start.
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Not sure if it was covered in his book||
but the services will vary with the reputation of the service. I know that's a bit stating the obvious, but there are people like Lemming out there who are respected and provide a legitimate service. There's also a guy out there named Jim Stefani, who posts on Scout and Rivals. Here's a link to his public blog ( http://jimstefani.wordpress.com/ ) He also provides more detailed information to schools on a private site. It's worth reading what he considers his job to be at ( http://jimstefani.wordpress.com/prospect-identification/ ). He considers his service to be one of early prospect identification. So in essence, he is able to cull the list of thousands of potential prostpects to a more manageable list for schools to go off of.
So it seems like a service like theres can be useful to coaches to help put together an early watch list of players to keep an eye on.
|4 years 7 weeks ago||And onewho based, completely on that article,||
doesn't seem to be real piece of Barnett's life.
But my comment was more general as to why athletes may seek out help outside their family, not a comment about Barnett.
|4 years 7 weeks ago||Because recruiting can be overwhelming||
and the parents may not be in the best position to help. I can imagine the parents might even bring some of the se people to help as they don't know what's going on.
|4 years 9 weeks ago||I think||
that's a fair comment
|4 years 9 weeks ago||And just to add||
and people have posted this before, it's an issue of roster balance. WR is already slitghly overcrowded and UM didn't lose any WR this past year, so there was no need to bring guys in. When they lose 4-5 guys this year, it will return the numbers to more in line with what Hoke will be looking for and allow them to bring in guys this year. Lucien was victim of timing, nothing more. It happens.
|4 years 9 weeks ago||Wilson is pretty good||
OSU Rivals has him as the 19th player in the state right now and he's getting increased interest from OSU. He's talking about being a package deal with WR Corey Smith, who does not have a UM offer at this point.
|4 years 9 weeks ago||In addition||
I think they're trying to sort out who's a CB and who's a S from the last couple of classes
|4 years 10 weeks ago||I don't think he's associated with ESPN||
any more. I believe he moved to 247 sports
|4 years 10 weeks ago||It's similar to the argument||
that RR was a hillbilly and didn't sound smart when he talked. Some people want a person properly schooled in how to give a speech. I want a football coach.
|4 years 10 weeks ago||good post||
I am on the other side of the fence and like the strategy but I hear what you're saying. The foul trouble thing didn't bother me until it was Morgan making the foul. That's when I thought to myself, maybe that wasn't such a good idea. But at the end of the day the strategy worked as you say you "had a 28 percent shooter banking in a 3." My only concern of not playing it that way is that you gave Wisconsin 30 seconds to essentially run their offense and set up the best possible play. Michigan wasn't going to get the ball back regardless of how that played. Or if they did, it would have been nothing but a desperation heave.
|4 years 11 weeks ago||I like Mark Cuban||
and appreciate some of the things he has done in the past, but he's missing the mark on this one. This isn't really about money as much as he wants it to be. Delany has admitted that they are leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table .
"Delany is quiet and circumspect, but has been in the headlines before. In 2005, he joined other officials in telling Congress that the Bowl Championship Series was preferable to a national championship playoff because it preserved tradition, kept the regular season relevant and wouldn't impact academics. He said that even while conceding that "an NFL-style football playoff would provide three to four times as many dollars to the Big Ten as the current system does. There is no doubt in my mind that we are leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table.""
Even tBCS director admits there's more money to be made from the playoffs
Q: Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany has said before that he believes there's a lot of money being left on the table, hundreds of millions of dollars, by not going to a playoff. How do you argue against there being more revenue at the end of the day if you went to a playoff system?
Hancock: No one knows how much more revenue there might be. And what part of the revenue might go out of the regular season and into the postseason, as is happening with basketball, frankly? We all think there might be more revenue for the postseason, but we don't know for sure. . And isn't it interesting that so many times those of us in college sports are criticized for making more money and here they're criticizing us for leaving money on the table, not taking more money, so we can meet the needs and experiences of the student athletes? I find that fascinating.
So while it's nice that Cuban is gaining publicity for a playoff, I don't think this is something you can just throw money at.
|4 years 11 weeks ago||Keep in mind these are Juniors||
as opposed to Willingham who was a senior when offered. So most of these guys will grow into the size LB that you're talking about
|4 years 11 weeks ago||just listened||
I felt he presented himself much better this time around. I don't necessarily agree with everything he said but I thought he made his points much better this go around. I at least understand where he's coming from a little better now.
|4 years 11 weeks ago||Royce Jenkins Stone, 2012 LB||
Royce Jenkins Stone, 2012 LB from Cass Tech
|4 years 11 weeks ago||The "might" refers to the timing||
as in during bowl practices. The Baltimore paper only reports that RR was contacted but doesn't know when. They also know that Maryland reps were in Jacksonville the same time Michigan was but don't know who they were meeting. So while Maryland definitely contacted RR during the search, they only know that it might have been during bowl practices in Jacksonville.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||The one I'll go with is JB Fitzgerald||
I think it will finaly click with him now that he should be the guy at SLB.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Borges coached up||
Campbell at AU. And then just look at LIndley's stats this year if you still think Borges can't coach QB
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Gotcha||
I see where you're coming from.
Hopefully you're successful
|4 years 12 weeks ago||I think you misunderstood some people||
Or maybe I do. But no one has a problem with Hinton, as you say, he is very good. It's more a comment on what this thread will turn into.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Come on Shoe||
You're better than this
|4 years 12 weeks ago||I believe at this point||
Missouri leads as ND is more going after Gunner Kiel, who is a legacy of sorts, by way of his uncle.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Haha||
call me an optimist that one thread seeking simple information would not have devolved. But you're right, I should know better.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Yep nothing like judging the||
Yep nothing like judging the recruiting class in February of the year before based on a watch list.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||In his defense||
I think that the request would have gotten lost in the shit pile that that thread ultimately and inevitably became.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Good question. I had recalled them being in the spring||
but if you're teling me otherwise, I have no reason to doubt you and I would amend what I said above about the Carr punishments. But, it doesn't really change the point that for whatever reason the NCAA draws the line at punishing kids, in UM's case for skipping class, between during the normal school year and in the summer, at least that's my understanding.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||As silly as this sounds||
You're allowed to instill punishment during the school year but not over the summer while the kids are in summer school. That's why UM got in trouble on the punishment stuff, because it happened over the summer. So going back to Carr, all of those punishments occurred during the normal school year, which is fine.
|4 years 12 weeks ago||I don't think that's an issue||
when you look at the makeup of the majority of Big Ten staffs and some staffs around the country, UM is not out of step. Of course some schools are better than others, but certain schools known for potential dirty recruiting will not find much luck going down this road
|4 years 12 weeks ago||Visiting early?||
Isn't this a pretty late visit for a 2011 kid?
|4 years 12 weeks ago||I don't understand||
How is saying championship or bust trying too hard? Don't we all think that? Isnt that the minmum standard of UM football?
|4 years 13 weeks ago||While I think this whole argument is stupid||
I'm not sure your first point is consistent with them hiring Mallory. Mallory is 41 (a year older than Brown) and a former DC at Illionois and now at Akron. This past off-season Mallory interviewed and was a finalist for the Miami, Ohio job ( http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/1322/mallory-treadwell-in-mix-f... ) and the CMU job ( http://www.mlive.com/chippewas/index.ssf/2010/01/curt_mallory_dan_enos_a... ) , so it appears that he has aspirations beyond being a DB coach at UM.
|4 years 13 weeks ago||Alabam's Fax Machine Webcam||
|4 years 13 weeks ago||omameh||
|4 years 13 weeks ago||(No subject)|
|4 years 13 weeks ago||Yeah the Norfleet recruitment||
will be an interesting one. I think MSU offered this past Sunday at their junior day. But yeah I think it's open ended whether UM pursues him or not. He's going to be at the top so you think they'd at least give him a look, possibly as a DB?
|4 years 13 weeks ago||Some guys from||
Some guys from Michigan:
Royce Jenkins Stone (LB) and Terry Richardson (CB)
James Ross (LB)
Matt Godin (DT/OT)
Dan O'Brien (DT)
Aaron Burbidge (wr) (MSU most likely)
Brian Blackburn (qb)
|4 years 13 weeks ago||(No subject)|
|4 years 13 weeks ago||I don't believe it was||
I don't believe it was supposed to get out
|4 years 13 weeks ago||*||
|4 years 13 weeks ago||I believe what he is saying is that||
MSU has mailed him his LOI form so he can have it if he wants to sign it. The kids will sign and fax the forms on Wednesday.
This is based on a Rivals article ealier today where he said he had the forms from UM, Iowa and GT but had no idea if MSU was going to send one. The article presumably came out before this comment.
|4 years 14 weeks ago||I didn't take that as any more than the generic||
"we need to get stronger." Kids always need to get stronger. Or are you suggesting that every kid on UM maxed out his strength last year? The young kids obviously need and can get stronger. I wouldn't read too much into that comment
|4 years 15 weeks ago||like this? You feel inspired now?||
or perhaps this instead
|4 years 15 weeks ago||Michigan AD Dave Brandon says||
Michigan AD Dave Brandon says he's "reasonably sure" Mattison's deal "will surpass anything we've done in the past" for a football assistant.
and some other quotes in there
|4 years 15 weeks ago||Al Borges will likely be the QB coach as well||
So replace needing a QB coach with a DB coach.
|4 years 16 weeks ago||well the rumor is||
that Magee, Dews and Gibson are headed to Pitt while Smith and Tall are headed to Indiana. RR is likely taking the year off
|4 years 17 weeks ago||Look at the end of the day||
and this is my honest belief, if RR had a winning record against either MSU or OSU and still had the same overall record, he's still the coach. Maybe you're right and he was doomed from the beginning and people were looking ofr excuses. But the fact that he was 0-6 in those games killed what little chance he had to still be the coach here.
|4 years 17 weeks ago||The 2007 USC team finished||
7-2 in conference and 11-2 overall and #3 in the country. After 2009, Harbaugh was 2-1 against USC and coming off of a win against the conference champion Oregon. The perception is that he can compete with his rivals.
But it's ok if you have the monopoly on talking to all of the Michigan fans
|4 years 17 weeks ago||I never heard Stanford fans||
That's because Stanford had wins against Oregon and USC and you could actually see evidence of Stanford competing with the top of the Pac-10.
|4 years 17 weeks ago||I thought we||
were playing jeopardy based on the thread title. But, my hopes were dashed
|4 years 17 weeks ago||Hoke||
|4 years 17 weeks ago||See, I had much broader mood swing||
After the first drive, I was all:
Then the 2010 defense showed up
Then Gibbons came on to try a FG
Then the 3rd and 4th quarter
Followed by the end of the game
|4 years 17 weeks ago||(No subject)||
|4 years 17 weeks ago||I need||
more up arrows to push for this
|4 years 18 weeks ago||Hope you took the odds||
on that when you had the chance
|4 years 19 weeks ago||I second||
|4 years 19 weeks ago||Yeah||
I definitely didn't read it that way especially when combined with other things they have said in the past. But who knows. The intentional vagueness is annoying, however.
|4 years 19 weeks ago||Rivals mods definitely lean||
Rivals mods definitely lean against RR and Scout is definitely pro-RR. But as you stated that's just the lens they view whatever info they get and also carries over to from whom they get their info.
|4 years 19 weeks ago||And wasn't Rashad Knight||
more of a casualty of the Dorsey recruitment than Grimes?
|4 years 20 weeks ago||Sure he can||
There's open contact period starting January 4th. Classes at UM begin on the 5th but he doesn't have to be there the first day.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||maybe the quote was unfinished and meant||
"staying....at their current position." I could see some shuffling of Safeties to other spots.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||It seems like more kids||
commit after an on-campus visit than an in-home. The reason is I think kids are more likely to get caught up in the emotion of the weekend and commit or they were just waiting to get on campus. This is not to downplay an in-home as they are critical events. But I think they're just a little be more low key and the coaches don't necessarily press for a commit at that point. Plus these in-homes are either to kids that have been on campus already (like Walls and Zettel) so they're not likely to commit right away anyway or they could be to kids who they are still trying to get on campus.
All my opinion of course and just what I gather from following recruiting. TomVH could and would certainly have a more informed view.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||it's actually Fred Jackson's||
it's actually Fred Jackson's son, so yeah I guess that's a sign
|4 years 22 weeks ago||And my response would be is that||
this investigation is not over, per the NCAA. This is essentially a preliminary ruling based on nothing more than the MSU stuff. Auburn and Cam are far from in the clear on this
edit: And damn it to myself. I'm really not trying to defend the NCAA. I know they suck and ultimately if Auburn gets off on this deal, I will be pissed because I have little doubt they're hands are dirty. Just wanted to make that clear.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||Is it more than likely he asked for money from Auburn?||
Oh hell yeah. But the NCAA does not have that evidence....yet. But, on the other hand, that doesn't mean Auburn knew that he asked any other school for money. Should they have suspected? Probably, but that's a couple steps to get there. So based just on what evidence the NCAA had, I don't think it's a logical flaw in what they decided.
So yeah, I guess I can write it with a straight face.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||I get that and perhaps||
it's because I'm just cynical. But I just think this case would have been different if there was evidence of money actually changing hands. Right now, all the NCAA has is a dad asking for money, which I think occurs more regularly than it probably really does.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||I don't think it's as big a loophole as some people have made it||
out to be. Ok so the result here is that this opens the door for people to go with their hand out? So what, people were doing that anyway. This ruling doesn't authorize the payment to the father. Plus the investigation is still pending against Auburn and MSU. This ruling was limited to the information that they have presently, and based on that, Cam is deemed to be eligible.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||pretty straight forward||
Cam Newton's father asked for money from MSU. Cam allegedly didn't know. And how was Auburn to know that his dad asked for money from MSU
|4 years 22 weeks ago||If there was evidence to back up a rumor||
wouldn't it be a fact instead?
|4 years 22 weeks ago||A couple of thoughts||
mind you this is mostly uneducated speculation.
I start with two premises:
1. Denard is banged up
2. Denard struggled with the read early in the year.
Because of 1 and 2 you have to take the read away from Denard to protect him. However, you know he's the most dynamic palyer you have, so the designed runs for him have to be done with multiple lead blockers. This leads to the lead draw and the stretch keeper. Second, I don't think you can call a designed keeper off of what looks like a zone read because of No. 1. A called keeper puts Denard in space with no protection. If the one time you call it, the DE stays home or you have a LB scraping around, Denard is dead.
So in my mind the question, is not "why is Denard not keeping it more" but "why did you run the zone stretch 13 times in the first half with minimal success?" Becuase at the end of the day, I think that's what the play is, not a zone read. Because there is no longer any read.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||Is it really a zone read||
if it's a designed give to the running back?
|4 years 22 weeks ago||Absolutely agree||
that that is ultimately what needs to happen. So yeah, I don't think simply adding a defensive coach to this group is the answer. My thinking is more along the lines of, if RR is staying, he's basically got a year to turn the defense around. So it's kind of an all hands on deck situation and you'll need all the hands you can get over there.
In the alterntative hire a ST guy for a year. I know you did that analysis that basically says few schools have them. But again, I'm looking for the quick fix, which might just be hiring a guy dedicated to that.
Probably overly shortsighted, but it a staff opening is definitely an opportunity to address some deficiencies.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||Fine||
Replace him with a special teams coach or another defensive coach. RR and Rod Smith can call the plays just as well.
|4 years 22 weeks ago||The calendar planned it||
it's the 25th reunion for the 1985 team.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||I think you should||
probably calm down and relax a bit. I didn't realize I was allowed to disagree with a decision made by Brandon or engage in a discussion about it. Sorry to offend your sensibilities.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||I don't understand what you mean||
by "I create my own uncertainty." Are you suggesting that the thought of RR not being back next year is a figment of my imagination?
And all I said was that the coaching situation whether he stays or goes needs to be addressed before January.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||Can we please just stop and||
No. I can't agree to this. Nothing in there said that. All he said is not Monday. I don't care if he stays or goes, but I think it would be terribly detrimental to drag this out past the next couple of weeks and into January. I simply believe that is a mistake. I would love nothing more than some day next week for Brandon to sit day and say "Well I made up my mind it's RR's job. Deal with it." And let's move on. But draggin out the uncertainty into January, I firmly believe is a mistake.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||Well, that's fine and I previously understood that to mean||
regular season. And if Brandon needs a glorified exhibition game to determine whether RR is the coach for the future or not, then I have lost a little confidence in him, not that he, or probably anyone else, gives a crap what I think
|4 years 23 weeks ago||So it's a "hillbilly" move to make||
coaching decision, whether keeping him or firing him, after the regular season is over but before the bowl game? That's when most jobs become available.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||Why is firing him Monday a "hillbiilly" maneuver?||
you're going to need to explain that one. How about Tuesday?
|4 years 23 weeks ago||I'm sure you would have listed them if they existed||
but is that really all there is for the DT spot? I don't have much confidence in those three so wasn't sure if there was a second tier that you're aware of
|4 years 23 weeks ago||you missed my terrible attempt at a joke||
and yes he would be a good hire for the Gophers. I like him as a coach
|4 years 23 weeks ago||I'm not as worried about that game||
Hoke will know how to beat his old team
|4 years 23 weeks ago||very nice||
so once you download the torrent, what program did you use to cut and create a gif?
|4 years 23 weeks ago||Any normal coach?||
No this should not be properly taught. But you're talking about a guy that essentially endorsed his player trying to break Breaston's leg, so I don't really expect anything more.
|4 years 23 weeks ago||He said much worse after the game||
|4 years 24 weeks ago||"were we just powerless to stop them?"||
|4 years 24 weeks ago||Being an early enrollee||
never stopped someone from participating in the game before, like Will Campbell. At least the AAA game rosters are not complete and are being announced as time goes by. For example, Blake Countess was just named to the game.