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|2 years 6 weeks ago||Worst song evah||
Where is Jefferson Starship's "We Built This City" in all of this? Frankly, given the "experience" machine that is Brandon's Athletic Dept, I cant believe theyre not playing this already......
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Must we really have this conversation?||
Ace my dear boy.
How you remind me of my blythly, glibly arrogant 24 year old self. Dont worry, youll have many opportunities to look back on these times and apologize to those who witnessed this time, and theyll give ya a hug.
As MGoShoe points out, youre not cutting any new paths with your songlist. Hell, its quite nice actually, as the British would say. Dont Stop Me Now was my FAVORITE song EVER!!!! when I was twelve (in a way that only twelve year olds could love). M83 is my new favorite band (seein 'em in NYC in August, and I cant wait). THE PLAY LIST IS IRRELEVENT.
Boys and girls, when did this blog devolve from ^*&^*^Brandon NO MORE PIPED "EXPERIENCE" to "ah vell Monsieur von Romstadt vould zou like a Bordeaux or Chablis viz ze invasion en France?" Alright thats a wee bit hyberbolic, but sometimes thats what those under 40 have to hear.
|3 years 45 weeks ago||Lets go to the video 1986 style.||
Revelli youre substantively right. FL, huh? I could drone on and on and on on this topic, but really, lets just let the video record speak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ySr3tEG-M Note particularly from 2:14 on.
Becher was the ruination of the MMB. In not getting tenure (he was made director at 25, and coasted on his laurels from there), he allowed the revolving door that has been the MMB directors' position these last 20 years.
When you have directors that prefer slinking to marching, they will minimize, rationalize away the value of, and even denigrate the highstep that Revelli (the esteemed director and not his namesake here) invented. They will practice the Michigan tradition only to the extent that they have to to get thru pregame, and they will focus their time on esoteric slinking halftimes that bore fans, but wow the four music majors who are watching. And they will do neither pregame nor halftime well. After a few years of being unable to fully implement their "vision" in such a constrained environment, they will move on to a school that will. Hence the MMB has had SEVEN directors since Becher left in 1990.
The marching band's devolution is a systemic problem. The solution rests in the employment of a MMB director who embraces and rejoices in preforming shows in the style of Michigan Tradition, and leaves the slinking to "other" institutions.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||A little over the top....||
|4 years 42 weeks ago||ProudMMB, MMB, et al||
Listen up. Heres some tough love. THose of us that CARE about MMB want you to succeed. You have huge shoes to fill, and youre not filling them. THe responsibility for this lapse is not on you. It is the responsibility of the band administration. THere is a standard at Michigan and it hasnt really been met for 30 years. Just so you know, my band in the 80s didnt meet this standard either, but we were closer to doing so, largely because less time had been allowed to pass.
Now, what you CAN do is put pressure on Boerma and Haithcock to insist on excellence. And you can insist on excellence yourselves. The alumni are really your allies in this as we only want you to excell. Dont accept trite explanations that alumni dont know whats best, or we are all jsut sour grapes. Becher used to do that too to hide his lack of excellence. Demand better. Know the band history. More and more YouTubes show old shows. Get in shape. You guys would be louder if you had more aerobic capacity.
I dont envy you your position. I thought we had slipped in the Becher era! Remember it is not your fault, and in such circumstances, it is truly noble to maintain your personal little bit of excellence even in an environment of mediocrity. Know that it will change, and there are folks working towards that change.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Thanks for noticing!||
Sorry I cant reciprocate.
Young lad/lass, they have these cute little gadgets called lyres and flip folders that, wait for it, hold music! Yes, I know amazing. Check out the 72 band at the Super Bowl on YouTube to see how they work. Then, you can spend all that extra time practicing proper air support so that you might develop what this engineer did 25 years ago.
Having watched Revelli and Cavender bands (there was no Symphony Band on Saturday), and having marched in the, albeit lesser, Becher band, your band sounds like a funeral durge, when we can hear it.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||They march? I look forward to||
They march? I look forward to seeing that. ANd again, memorizing music is an exercise with no relevance to the quality of the sound, volume thereof, or energy exhibited (see: Revelli/Cavender). How bout we take all that time memorizing and apply it to aerobic capacity so that theyre not winded thinking about Victors, much less PreGame. Aerobic capacity plus intonation will go a long way.
I will not take Boerma off the hook. He's responsible for the band's time management (memorizing v. practicing/aerobic improvement), and he does make the difference on volume. My 80s era band played loud and in tune. When Revelli or Cavender guest conducted us at Homecoming our tone, our volume, our intensity, our passion, our energy all rose a level. That, is the director.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Oh poor deluded soul||
Banal, trite, and sycophantic pandering to your professor betrays far more honor than the worst action taken by those seeking a return to Michigan excellence for our beleagured band. The first step is admitting you have a problem, young one. It gets much easier from there.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Does being pelted with batteries count?||
(it was worth it)
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Hmmmm. Revelli/Cavender:||
Hmmmm. Revelli/Cavender: carry music/loud(and good)
I dont think your causation hypothesis carries much water there....
MMB 83-88 (ya, I carried, and I was loud.) DUH
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Ummmm, yes they were.....||
OK, so it was only 103,000 in those days.....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Just what the DR ordered.....||
" A symphony orchestra – or, for that matter, a bassoon quartet – is capable of evoking deep passion and intense emotion in the right setting (with the appropriate audience), but is that what’s called for at a football game? 110,000 enthusiastic fans desiring musical accompaniment and motivation while cheering their team to victory deserve something more than an ensemble that places the service of their art above the needs and expectations of the players and fans."
YOU NAILED IT DR.
I would add a few points:
The purpose of Drum Corp is Drum Corp. The purpose of Marching Band is supporting the football team and engaging the fans in the game of football.
You cant do both well. The doctor points out how much work goes into a DCI show. Corps will practice ONE show for an entire year. THe MMB needs a new show for every home game. It is structurally impossible to approach that goose-bump factor when you cant attain the precision. Throw in the requirement to high-step (akin to asking linemen to also hit fast-balls in the third quarter), and the directors that mix high-step and DCI have fated the band to mediocrity. Just what you see, and dont hear every Saturday.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Band was focal point....||
back in the Bump Elliot era (please God let that NEVER again be a possibility). But then they were alot closer to SWAC band in those days. Ya know, ALIVE.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Ummmm, no.||
You have been brainwashed into believing drivel, young one. Revelli and Cavender proved that musicality and volume are not mutually exclusive. The band sat in the student section, and could be heard across the stadium. Recent (and current) band administrations are feeding you this jibberish because they are not up to the task of playing loud and well. Then, knowing nothing of the energy and passion that has long since disappeared from Elbel (mcuh less Michigan Stadium) you convince yourself its true.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||...."I think that the||
...."I think that the Wisconsin folks have a better handle on the proper role of a college band .... I'll never forget during the 98' season watching the Wisconsin band for the first time, blow the crap out of the big house and receive a partial standing ovation (at least on the home sideline). Again, they sounded pretty awful, but were quite visual and louder than you can imagine. ...I love the MMB to death, and we played some great music during the 3 years I played, but it seemed to me on many occasions that we were simply trying to play more notes and pound out more charts than the musical competition, rather than just simply doing our part to add to the atmosphere of the game in every way possible."
They were doing that back in the 80s too. Their director at that time, while not strong on the music, put on a better show than anyone. He knew his purpose as a band director (as did Revelli and Cavender). Would that UM would get that now.....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Ummmm, no.||
"PS The band sounds a lot better under Boerma than it did under Nix, and it sounded good under Nix."
|4 years 42 weeks ago||I marched in the 80s||
We sat in the student section. No one complained that they couldnt hear us......
|4 years 42 weeks ago||But arent you guys||
more "musical" than the old band?
Not trying to bust your chops (git it, geeky band pun), but my 80s era band played RnB and we played well, and we played LOUD. Oh, ya, and we MARCHED.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||To give further perspective||
I grew up on the Revelli and Cavender bands. Saw my first game at 6 (in 1971) and knew I HAD to be in that band someday. I marched four years in the 80s under Becher. While it was not a Revelli/Cavender band, we still had game. We were loud (and not offensively so) and we MARCHED. What has happened to the MMB breaks my heart, and most of my colleagues'.
I, for one, would not join this band if I was a student today. Did I tell you that breaks my heart?
|4 years 42 weeks ago||You were blown away.....||
with the same number and mix of instruments as you (dont) hear today. Think about it......
|4 years 42 weeks ago||"Contrast is key" AMEN.||
"Contrast is key"
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Oh ya, and they MARCHED.....||
Oh ya, and they MARCHED.....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Its not jamie's ears||
He is correct. But then when THE GOAL is to play quieter, you can say they have succeeded at least at that.....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Ummmm, how does memorizing||
Ummmm, how does memorizing music make you louder?
PS Revelli and Cavender's bands did not memorize, had lots o'woodwinds, sounded exquisite, and were LOUD.... hmmmm....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||You gotz it Shocky||
You gotz it Shocky
|4 years 42 weeks ago||And dude, Im thinkin you were||
And dude, Im thinkin you were a real stud....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||Moot Point||
Actually, its really a mute point:
The band in the 70s and 80s could be heard from the same location...... Now, pumping it up to 11 is the issue.....
|4 years 42 weeks ago||You got that RIGHT! TUA (and||
You got that RIGHT! TUA (and I love your name).
Can you imagine any other aspect, program, school, element, etc of the university falling into such a shambles? It would never be allowed. And yet MMB is a degraded shell of its former glory.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||You nailed it MCalibur||
No one ever complained about the volume of the band under Revelli or Cavender, and the instrumentation was as today. ANd dont think for a minute that they were giving up musicality to be loud. The two are not mutually exclusive as the current (and recent) administrations would have you believe.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||The problem is Boersma||
No one ever complained about the volume of the band under Revelli or Cavender. ANd dont think for a minute that they were giving up musicality to be loud. The two are not mutually exclusive as the current (and recent) administrations would have you believe.