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|5 min 23 sec ago||The bizarre part I wasn't understanding||
was the bit about Devin and the rest of the offense. There is a dynamic he alludes to within the offense itself based on his mentoring with Devin.
It sounded like [my interpretation] at least part of the offense thought the old guy - Devin - was the problem, and needed to get out of the way of the new guy - Shane.
If this is the case, is it possible Hoke kept Shane in for the bulk of the game to prove a point to the team itself? (Not to mention how it reset the minds of the crowd?)
|3 hours 15 min ago||Rich was a hot hire||
but the transition required very careful management that was neither Bill Martin's strength, nor something Rich Rod was fully open too.
The problem: in a world that openly shat on that upstart spread offense, and was used to Lloyd Carr (one of the best spoken head coaches in the business) - a good 'ole boy West Virginian spread innovator was always going to face heavy resistance from the inner circle.
The other problem: Rich was very abrupt in how he handled the transition.
If in the transition he was positioned as a Nehlen deciple (i.e., in the Bo coaching tree), and his offense was positioned as the innovative modern version of Bo's option offense (before Harbaugh): how much better would that have been? If he hadn't fired everyone before re-hiring many (most?) back, and even retained part of the defensive coaching staff until Casteel could come: how much better off would that have been?
Both sides blew the shift - and the key stakeholders in the base started throwing up.
Thus Michigan hired the hot coach of 2007, and it was a total disaster.
|3 hours 40 min ago||yeah but to the outside||
we flushed Rich Rod and the spread down the drain, field a dinosaur punt formation, etc. becuase "this is Michigan Football"
|4 hours 39 sec ago||Two years||
(at least) in a row.
|5 hours 28 min ago||No way they do it||
but the bye week is when they'll have time to shift the offense. And yes, with the line they have they have go to move to something more spread-like to be able to move the ball.
Won't happen though.
|6 hours 2 min ago||Eh - in 1984||
Jim Harbaugh broke his arm, and Bo Schembechler went 6-6. We students skipped a few games (bad weather - Illinois, knew we'd get beat - Iowa / exams coming up or papers due), and we boo'ed Bo (not the players) loudly when he called a 2 yard running play up the middle (we had no idea positive run yardage was such a luxury) instead of trying that new fangled passing thing.
We didn't have cell phones, blogs, or email. So we griped in person at games, on campus, in the dorms, or at parties. Anything you said about Bo or player x wasn't likely to be heard, and you certainly didn't say it in front of any player. The media, and the donor base is where Bo took the most heat.
Especially in 1984 there were gumblling about the game having passed Bo by. The crisis of the day was the aforementioned reluctance to pass. We were getting beat by those pass heavy upstarts - enough to derail any chance of an unbeaten season.
The thing is, we all told each other "eh - it's a building year" because Bo had such an established history of winning, and that Harbaugh guy looked pretty good before breaking his arm. We were 9-3, 6-6, 10-1-1 (beat Nebraska in the Fiesta), 9-2 (B1G champions - lost to ASU in the Rose) while I was there, so this was generally true.
If they pulled out a 9-3 or 8-4 or even a 7-5 this year, I 'd be inclined to be patient and listen to the players (and Mattison) about Hoke. The "Corso forecast" trajectory this team appears to be on is far worse.
|6 hours 52 min ago||Specifically since the UM President||
said we are going to be communicating more transparently moving forward.
Color me not surprised.
|7 hours 48 min ago||Actually, I was sort of curious||
if any extra effort could be seen between the 1st Q offense under Shane, and the 4Q offense under Devin. There appeared to be some player - player, or player - coaching decision dynamics going on that seemed to clear when Devin went in.
Maybe the sample sizes would be too small to tell.
|7 hours 57 min ago||Lets not forget||
the damage done to the career prospects of players like Devin and Fitz (and any other running back on the roster).
|11 hours 25 min ago||Look two threads down||
And tell me enough of our players have developed as they should have.
|11 hours 43 min ago||The interesting thing is that||
Brandon feels it is necessary to trot out Stephen Ross and the SAAC, and the SAAC said nothing about Hoke - just Brandon.
Yes, yes: we support Dave Brandon who excels at gouging the shit out of you so we get really nice new facilities.
|11 hours 54 min ago||I agree - this is where the B1G||
can't just say "well it wasn't called on the field, so nothing we can do now"
Two things needs to be done:
1) Most importantly: similar to Michigan, the refs need to review what they saw when, and how they thought Shane was acting, and why they didn't see the replay on the board - or the replay official didn't say anything about the possibility of a head to head hit so both players involved could be checked on
2) They need to review the hit itself, and whay they didn't call it targeting and eject the defensive player - did the guy have his head down or up, etc.
And then they need to report their findings to the press as well.
|21 hours 35 min ago||Other than Ryan and helmets||
they did a good balanced job on this one.
|21 hours 54 min ago||I think the writing hit the wall for Hoke a week earlier||
and thus Mattison's emotions when he was discussing Hoke.
Then DB went into the bunker after Cokegate - about the time that signed ex-player petition was supposed to hit. Since then he trotted out Stephen Ross, and had his PR staff twist arms to get public support for Hoke.
But Saturday happened. At some point in the 4th quarter DB saw what was being reported on TV. He had a WTF session with Hoke and Nuss, directed the usual bluster and obfuscate tactics, and then submerged to see how the winds blew.
One wonders if Schlissel grabbed him by the nuts Monday afternoon after hearing what Hoke said, and between that and the medical staff refusing to budge, that is how we ended up with the more or less "truthful" and remorseful statement at 1AM.
|22 hours 16 min ago||Eh - I want to see how the players respond||
to having Gardner back at the helm.
|22 hours 27 min ago||I think the transparent line||
is a shot over the bow: no more bull shit Diamond Dave.
|22 hours 52 min ago||I disagree||
I think this incident is the latest in Diamond Dave not being transparent, and pissing the fanbase off because we know he is not being transparent. Regardless of what happens to Hoke, I do not want David Brandon as an AD. And whether you believe Hoke was telling the truth as he knew it (even though he should have known) or he lied - the fact that the real truth was not reported like Sunday is on the AD.
As for Hoke - he needs to evolve or move on as well. He was ultimately responsible for Shane playing with a "probable" concussion, and he is responsible for a losing football record.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Why doesn't everyone protest outside||
and then go in? Supports the players, is sure to get tens of thousands of people on TV holding signs and yeling Fire Dave Brandon / Fire Brady Hoke.
Once you're in - don't buy anything. I bet Brandon measures ARPU - if Average Revenue Per User (or ticketholder) is usually $15, across 100,000 people that is a lot of money.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Total boardroom politcal behavior||
This is how they act - they are your best buddy until you are expendable in order for them not to loose face or their position. Have been watching similar behavior here at IBM.
Brady Hoke needs to watch his back, because he is on an island on this one.
We'll know Brandon has survived the Board of Regents in a month or so.
|1 day 9 hours ago||The thing is||
if they just cover the DB press release, and then parrot the statement, then nothing will happen. What really needs to be on the agenda is the ethics of the AD in the handling of this. Even then Hoke is the fall guy.
|1 day 10 hours ago||What about Molk in the Sugar Bowl?||
I guess I look at it this way: Devin played with a broken foot. Assuming they knew when it happened, did they force Devin back in? I would assuming that Devin wanted back in, and had it treated with tape, pain killer, etc. so he could go back in. When he did, he was very effective.
Molk was a similar case. They almost certainly knew his injury. Clearly they needed Molk, and Molk got taped up and went in.
The Molk case by the way destroys any argument that this is a racist thing. Morris was clearly ineffective, and hampered by his leg injury (that Minnesota went after FWIW). He probably should have been pulled. However, like Gardner and Molk he wanted to stay in. I'll even spot them the one play after being supported by Braden. Once he was pulled, he never should have gone back in.
All of that said, Hoke should have acknowledged the concern for his player's safety at the post game conference, and said they are looking into it, AND DBs release last night should have come out Sunday with no other statements but "we are looking into it" being made before then.
|1 day 10 hours ago||Not Lincoln||
he was from Illinois, and thus not a Michigan Man ...
|1 day 10 hours ago||Yeah - I think Hoke has been painted into a corner||
by the press: checkmate!
His boss Brandon threw him under the bus with this release, but added a pillow before the third set of wheels rolled over him.
|1 day 11 hours ago||If he didn't know, he should have fucking asked||
and kept asking until he got a direct answer.
I don't care if he knew or not, everyone else around Michigan Football knew Saturday night, and certainly Sunday that this was a major PR issue (not to mention player health). He should have fucking asked. He should have made fucking sure before he opened his mouth at 12:38 yesterday.
If he didn't know, it was intentional. If he did know, he lied.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Simple - Hoke is not Fred Flintstone||
he is Sergeant Schultz.
If you had asked me two months ago if Hoke would be let go for not caring about one of his student athletes, and then openly lying about it to the press (not just being cagey), I wouldn't believe you. This is just like the Gibbons incident, in that he attempts to navigate a sticky issue by throwing a red herring out there and then claiming he doesn't or didn't know the truth.
Yesterday he said Shane would have practiced if it weren't for a high ankle sprain on Sunday. I think he also was cornered into saying Shane does not have a concussion.
Does anyone now believe Gibbons' "injury" was keeping him from playing in the Ohio State game?
I am now convinced that the heated discussion with Brandon and Nuss in the coaches room was the beginning of the cover up. The conclusion was Hoke was to play Sergeant Schultz at the post-game conference to buy time to weave the story. Then the first statement was a trial balloon to see if they could get away with not addressing the concussion concern.
IF AT ANY TIME ON SUNDAY Dave Brandon had released the statement above, this would be a non issue. SINCE football head trauma is a hot button general public issue (as further heightened by the release yesterday that Jovan Belcher had CTE), their usual bluster tactic didn't work and the story blew up, resulting in a second attempt to delay and be deceptive at Brady Hoke's press conference yesterday.
There is no way Hoke didn't know on Sunday that Morris had a concussion. He lied yesterday in an attempt to cover up what they have now admitted to - lack of communication endangered one of our players. If he didn't know - and I don't believe it given the heat of the issue - he should have found out: before practice yesterday, and certainly before he released any statements to the press and his press conference. (Just like Goodell should have insisted on getting that Ray Rice security tape and watching it.)
Brian is correct: these are not the type of people we want running Michigan Football. They need to go. So does the PR staff, or whoever is the one who sets the strategy for the releases and has final signoff authority.
|2 days 2 hours ago||They may prefer||
you donate to the University and purchase season tickets.
|2 days 2 hours ago||You can tell he's been managing back room||
since the Coke scandal - or maybe the first Gregg Henson post - broke. The parade of Stephen Ross, various former players, and people in the press backing Hoke last week, and even the announcers backing Hoke at the end of the game were orchestrated by someone. Then there are the statements about the Shane scandal which are a bizarre mix of DB obfuscation tactics and Brady Hoke ramblings.
So it would appear he is still pulling the strings, and shoring up his political base (big donors and regents), while avoiding attachment to the current staff twisting in the breeze.
We'll know he has landed like a cat if he re-emerges spouting something about reviewing the football program at the end of the season.
|2 days 3 hours ago||I am surprised they didn't meet you at the door||
pull your press pass, and turn you away. You know, the Bacon treatment ...
|2 days 6 hours ago||Here's where Hoke was annouced||
Some other gems:
Aaaannndd, the best for last:
|2 days 8 hours ago||In the time between Shane coming off the field||
and him going back out when Gardner's helmet came off, did the medical staff or trainer test or evaluate Shane Morris for a concussion? Yes - or - No?