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|3 hours 27 min ago||I think the "Bad Person" thing||
came from an assumed public assertion that Hoke intentionally left Morris on the field, and sent him back out knowing that he was most likely concussed, and then lied about it to the press.
Most of the commentary, including the quote from This is Not Michigan above, assert that Hoke is so incompetent - vis-a-vis being unaware of the details of what is going on on his team and on the field - that he is now endangering his players. Negligence, not badness.
I supposed to some, allegations of negligence or incompetence = "a bad person" too. Me personally, I think there is a difference between a bad coach, and a bad person. One is about qualification to fill a job, the other is about a person's character.
Then again, I still can't square how you go in front of the press at noon on Monday, and still not know your player had a "probable concussion" as of sometime on Sunday, knowing full well you are going to be asked about it. I guess that is still incompetence.
|5 hours 27 min ago||My inner self knew I should have stopped||
when I passed through New Hampshire this summer, and stocked up way more.
|9 hours 26 min ago||I think the point was||
the NCAA is a sham because the rules don't allow for remedial prep classes to prepare the student athletes to be able to take advantage of the free college education. This is an excellent point - perhaps the rules should be modified to allow for prep classes red shirts - players can play be on scholarship and practicing but not playing without impacting eligibility - eligibility starts when enough college courses are being taken.
This is one thing I like about the Service Academies - they have a prep school for underqualified athletes.
|9 hours 39 min ago||Yes, and then a certain||
NC State Homer reporter picked up on it and wouldn't let it die until UNC eventually did a thorough investigation. (I believe this is the third and the other two were "a couple bad apples/nothing to see here".)
|20 hours 26 min ago||Ok ... what are we supposed to do ...||
talk about how dismal our secondary, our offense, or our special teams have played, and how that will stack up against State?
Yeah - that sounds like fun.
Or should we all drink kool aid and hope for magic to suddenly happen? Or what if Peppers can play - then everything will be OK ....
|20 hours 38 min ago||Personally, I think we all should keep out mouths shut||
on this. Maybe it wasn't institutionalized across 18 years like UNC, but didn't we have our own psychology professor running independent study courses that were highly attended by athletes who generally received good grades for the class? Maybe that only appeared improper and really was legitimate, and in Michigan's credit, they did make some changes after the cat was out of the bag, but it never felt to me like we were 100% squeaky clean on that one.
My take is UNC should vacate any game they won in which an athlete played who's academic eligibility was due to these questionable seminars. Other than that, the NCAA can determine how severe they want to go on current day penalties.
I think the right discussion is the one we were having in another thread on this topic: how the NCAA and Universities can find a reasonable way to balance course loads and athletic responsibilities to better prepare these kids for life after sport.
|1 day 5 hours ago||As much as I dislike Brandon's demeanor||
and many things he's done: if he earnestly listens and changes, whatever. Don't like that outcome, but I'd live with it.
Our football team plays very bad football consistently. Bottom of the Big Tehhhhnnnnn bad. They need to start playing very good football now, or Hoke has to go. I can't see that happening - so Hoke has to go.
|1 day 5 hours ago||No, no||
Chris Weber time out management skills tops it.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Was this in broadcast game coverage as well?||
Maybe I am mixing the two up, but I seem to recall several sideline shots of Hoke coaching the dline up during the Penn State broadcast coverage. And then there was the "this is horrible ... Shane Morris shouldn't be on the field ... but Brady Hoke should absolutely keep his job next year Minnesota coverage.
|1 day 8 hours ago||I agree||
fire that money expunging, money wasting S.O.B.
|1 day 9 hours ago||The team leaders||
should line the whole team up and have them walk by this.
|1 day 10 hours ago||Eh Hopefully Our Guys||
get all pissed about it:
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High (8/10) Movie CLIP - …" on YouTube
What was it Dantonio said about the pride before the fall?
|1 day 21 hours ago||Watching this just makes me ill||
reminding me that Michigan used to be a functional football team.
What a mess we are now - should never have complained in 2005.
|2 days 4 hours ago||I'd like them to keep it solidly in their mind||
that students, alumni, and fans are stakeholders too, and TRADITION is important - even to students.
|2 days 4 hours ago||And it would have||
in December 2010 or January 2011 as well.
Why - finally a proven reason to believe we are headed in the right direction.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Brady, did you read the Offensive UFR for Penn State?||
Pass Pro was pretty OK. Run blocking sucked the big one. Why would we think we are a team that runs the football?
|2 days 7 hours ago||That season was so painful||
especially watching poor one armed Henne. Ugh - the OSU game ... I felt like I was depressed and dying.
Now I realize we hadn't even scratched the surface of football despair.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Is that you Dave?||
Or are you just a staffer for Dave doing a little market research?
|4 days 7 hours ago||Frankly, I am worried Gardner will survive||
against State, at least in any serviceable form for the rest of the season.
|6 days 8 hours ago||On the film sessions||
Everyone here tell me, that if they were Michigan's AD they wouldn't be hanging around football like a kid in a candy store ....
Personally, I am a manage by walking around type, and since one of the main reasons we hired Dave Brandon was to figure out what's going wrong in football and fix it, it makes sense to me that he has spent time personally finding out what is going on in football. Even if it didn't need fixing, if that is your management style, and football is the # sport, you would spend more of your time understanding that than say women's rowing.
As for film sessions - the coaches have been under fire for a year now - and before that occasionally pitched some stinkers. I would want the perspective of what went wrong from the film sessions. So, I am OK with that, as long as he's not directing coaching decisions: "well, customer research shows low confidence in Devin, and there is a strong consumer propensity to want Shane in at QB, so lets play Shane for all of the Minnesota game and see if that drives more average revenue per customer".
Then again - if he watched the DVR'ed television broadcast first, and saw what we saw (a horrible, un-Michigan football performance) - maybe he would understand his customer better.
Also, for a guy who is all so worried about competing with my family room sofa, he sure has jacked the game day expense up high enough to drive a lot of fans to the competition.
|1 week 4 hours ago||Exactly||
Dave Brandon gives us all these gilded things. We love him! Same with the Student Athletes.
It is the people being gouged, jerked around, and lied to in exchange for a (bland?, mediocre?, really sucky?) flagship product on the field (complete with all the generic bells and whistles) that want Brandon gone.
|1 week 5 hours ago||It like Band of Brothers||
on the eve of D-Day when the officer annouces (in a very Bacon-like voice) "there will be no jump tonight"
Damn - when will the fog clear in the channel so we can get this over with?
|1 week 7 hours ago||Went through Diet Coke withdrawals myself||
I used to buy a big gulp of diet coke on the way to work every day and drink it through the day. On weekends I had symptoms like TVH. Then I noticed if I drank a diet coke on weekends - the headache would clear. The way I was able to quit was by shifting to real coke, and they cutting back on that over time.
It's not the caffeine - it is the sweetener or something else in the diet coke.
|1 week 1 day ago||Why not hire a competitive coach||
with a similar system this time around?
Then we avoid mass exodus, and mismatched skills.
|1 week 1 day ago||I read it as an excuse too||
because all college coaches are in the same boat.
However, it is true that the emergence of 7 on 7 has reduced summer and off season development and camps for linemen. (e.g., Our high school team has Thursdays off for linemen in the summer, while the rest of the team is off playing 7 on 7.) Not to mention most camps do not have the kids in pads and hitting (most likely due to liability reasons). Even at the college level, the kids can voluntarily play 7 on 7 themselves with no coaches watching and work on the playbook, pass timing, coverages, etc., but how do the o-linemen and d-linemen work on foot and hand placement, pulling, and leverage, etc. in a realistic situation if they can't suit up?
Either way, maybe spring ball helps teams with a large number of southern recruits, but otherwise everyone is in the same situation.
|1 week 2 days ago||And Brady Hoke submitted it to the B1G for review||
and um, uh, er, well, uh, er .....
We don't know what the answer was. It appears it was not the admission of a mistake, and was somehow satisfactorily explained.
|1 week 3 days ago||I bet his demeanor||
plays well in Philly. A great fit for him.
|1 week 4 days ago||I don't agree||
I agree that some of the booing has been directed at poor play on the field, and I agree that some of the fans in the stands and on the internet yell mean things about specific players.
However, most of the booing - and the internet ire on this site - has been aimed at the coaching staff, for mismanagement issues with play calling, time management, and not deciding to pull an injured player when he clearly should have been (and then sending him back onto the field - for which we should have been booing the medical staff I guess).
Hagerup is right though - at the end of the day, the only way to stop all the negativity is for the players to pick themselves up off the mat and fight as hard as they can. That is what they did in the Ohio State game last year, and even though they lost - they were cheered on until the end.
To Will and team I say "Go Blue!"
|1 week 4 days ago||In my mind "the Michigan Man meme"||
means backstabbing any coach that is not from the Michigan coaching tree by trumping up allegations of NCAA violations, and either directly or indirectly obstructing recruiting, etc. That is what happened to R2 before he got to his fourth year.
And then deliberately hiring a member of a specific Michigan coaching tree, who by wins and loss records alone, is clearly not as qualified as other coaching candidates (with other, or no Michigan coaching heritage) to lead the tradition and values of Michigan football: "winning with integrity".
The "we must hire from within the family" mentality, is how we've gotten into this mess of mediocrity. The time we hired from without - before R2 - ruffled a lot of feathers, but worked out pretty well as far as "winning with integrity" is concerned. We got the man who coined the term "Michigan Man" - but he was one because he displayed those values.
I have seen some people suggest we abandon our values. I agree to do so would be wrong. I think the vast majority of this fan base want to see both values on display -- not just integrity -- and continuing in "mediocrity with integrity" because we happily hired within is just not good enough.
FWIW, I think the current coaching staff acts with an intentionally opaque set of values to protect players and program, and mislead opponents. In their minds, this is the right thing to do, and acting consistently within that framework equals integrity. I am not so sold on this, but can comprehend where they are coming from.
I think on the other hand, the current AD and PR staff communicate in disingenuous ways that are directly misleading; which to me completely lacks integrity and insults our intelligence.
There has to be a better option than the current state.
|1 week 4 days ago||I think Will Hagerup||
has a unique point of view here, from a year of introspection. So what is wrong with him showing leadership in this way?
And I think the 5th year QB has been saying (yelling) the same thing.
This team's leaders are emerging. Albeit late, but I am glad to see them.