I think at this point, in order to re-establish rules and norms and not be in violation of antitrust, the next NCAA has to include player representation, especially for rules around splitting up the money pie and rules around recruiting, transferring, etc.
There needs to be rules, but you can’t enforce them in the current top down arrangement.
My take is after the first Indian attempt, and the Japanese “landing”, this is not so easy, especially without on scene pilots, so any landing is an event.
Yeah - I don’t know how much of the foot dragging is the posted for 7 days thing, but it sure feels like we are not moving with the cache of being the reigning national champions. It’s almost like we hired a young guy with no experience as a head coach and expect him to be able to completely rebuild a championship level staff quickly and effectively.
This has become not a Bo-Mo-Lloyd transition with coaching staff and culture intact. Moore is now rebuilding.
Sherrone doesn’t have the cache and we are witnessing the results. Both on the departmental leverage on issues like NIL - let alone public leverage, and on protecting his staff.
All of this may be true, but we are seeing a significant setback to Michigan football right when they had a chance to turbo charge it (like Georgia did). And the guy who is in charge of the department is responsible for ensuring the latter.
So far the response has been promote from within. Meanwhile to outward reason to believe in sustained success, and the potential floor for expectations - the thing that influences recruits and keeps players out of the portal - declines daily.
And then there is the demise of the basketball program and the whole Mel thing.
As I recall the '97 team had that same vibe: misfiring here and there yet still getting to the top of the mountain. It makes the journey more colorful, and leaves even more to the imagination.
My view - no do-overs - if the best team has already beaten # 2 and # 3, then they should play # 4. The only question becomes what happens if # 4 wins.
The only way they sign this contract this week is if Michigan loses Saturday. Otherwise, I think they wait until after the Big Ten championship game and the football playoff teams are announced
What if the twitter revelation drop feed is designed to get the NCAA and B1G to act on what they’ve already been given.
This seems to be coordinated by design - e.g., started when Jordan Acker signed out with the Third Day of Ohio State week comment - so there is more to it than what we are seeing.
I think this is more aimed at terrifying all the people who ganged up and voted to suspend Harbaugh, Pettiti and the NCAA.
The gentleman’s agreement has been broken and each now has to assess their own skeletons and risk.
I would love to know if OSU had Georgia practice film last year. If teams outside the conference get impacted, the noise and outrage around OSU goes up quite a bit.
I wonder how many calls Tony P is getting from B1G ADs with coaching staffs worried their own skeletons are going to emerge, and suddenly feel maybe waiting for due process is the right idea?
What is particularly funny is the Buckeye comments like due process, and it’s only video not a violation, etc.
My view is the optics will look very bad for Day - such a wuss he hired a PI to take out Harbaugh rather than man up.
Also the script for sleezy activity gets applied to OSU as well.
It’s not a defense, but it broadens the narrative and casts Pettiti’s rush to judgement into a different light.
The question in my mind is: roll it out now and risk consolidating the Buckeyes, or wait until Monday and drive a stake into Days coffin if he loses or disrupt their championship run if they win?
The thing is: if you roll it out now, does the Michigan fan base walk in more angry and more unified Saturday? And does that cause confusion to OSUs preparations?
I kind of agree with this - attend with signs like Thamel is an OSU Shill and Paul is a Sniveling Click Whore and Extra SEC Propaganda Network and Ryan Day is such a chicken he hired a PI firm and cried to the B1G so he didn’t have to play Harbaugh again and Petitti the Puppet.
Everyone stand with their backs turned in silence except when Desmond speaks. Until Fox starts up and then leave.
I think Harbaugh chooses or has chosen to go because of this. The rest of the B1G will continue to persecute with him here.
I am so mad at the conference right now, and will be furious if we lose to OSU because Sherrone cannot focus on the offensive play calling between series, and Harbaugh is not in the field.
Well the unity we had last Friday is fractured for an unknown reason. The one thing we can rally around is fuck the B1G and the other teams in it, and beat Ohio.
I’m betting Jim is gone. He shows up for the press conference Monday all relaxed and “old Jim”, the insiders go silent, Clink went silent, Michigan calls off the dogs with the B1G.
Nothing against the University, the entire B1G has clearly broken all precedent in expressing they will continue to persecute Michigan while he’s here. He loves Michigan, so he’s leaving. (And he’s giving Moore an audition.)
No, no - any Navy CPO will tell you the Ensigns are the most expendable / least knowledgeable part of the crew, while not even available to do the grunt work of an enlisted apprentice. (I was an Ensign and they are pretty much correct - you have to be a sponge those first two years. The XO pretty much talks past you to the CPO.)
Or we drop it after The Game. If we dropped it now, it is very unlikely Day gets suspended in time (because you have to build the outrage to get it approved), but it does galvanize his players behind him like ours are.
Not a lawyer - but there is the whole thing about what constitutes in-person scouting vs 3rd party scouting and 3rd party videoing.
Also the bit about that risk to opposing players is essentially the same no matter how the signs were obtained. e.g., the risk to Michigan players vs Purdue, Rutgers or Ohio State was the same as the risk to Michigan opponent players.
Also, it seems very dangerous to set a precedent where a team or friends of that team can hire an investigative firm to illicitly obtain information on another team within the conference, turn that in to the NCAA, and then drive a sensationalized PR / smear campaign of mixed facts and innuendos through the press to bring sanctions on that other team before all facts and rule violations are determined.
So CMU played at Michigan State. How does Michigan State have no idea who was on their field? Would they not have issued all of the passes for both teams?
How has CMU not gone down the list and said Joe Smith, you had a sideline pass: where you there?
I personally think we should announce the hiring of private investigators to look into every single big ten team with the intent of sharing any findings with the B1G and NCAA, and the expectation that any findings should result in the immediate suspension of the head coach of that team since this is the precedent.
Even if they did, would they not be shown the door like Weiss who signed onto someone else’s account? It’s still illegally obtained. Or was that what Weiss was illegally obtaining?
Oh, I totally see the NCAA forfeiting our last two seasons and implementing a bowl ban. It just feels like they have it in for us, but not Kansas, Tennessee, et al.
If it turns out our intelligence guy was using open source information like TV broadcasts or even fan videos, and there was no vast network, the University should consider defamation lawsuits against the NCAA and the B1G.
If Texas (or A&M, et al) behaves in the way suggested above (going outside the rules mutually agreed upon by the member institutions of the NCAA), then they are essentially saying they are out of the NCAA. So yes, ejection should be the consequence.
The question comes down to how many teams want out, and what collective set of fair play standards will they agree to.
Net: just because you can legally ignore the rules of the collective, doesn’t mean you should.
We’ll see how it plays out.
Also, the problem was the NCAA doing nothing about Cam Newton. The doors swung wide open …
Goodyear Duratracs May be better than KO2s for snow and mud. They last a long time (like 60k miles) and are relatively quite for the first 20k miles or so.
I think at some point, we have to come to grips with Great = B1G Championship and into the CFP Semifinals, Exceptional = CFP Final, and Unforgettable, Never Thought it Would Happen Again = National Champion.
Especially when the expansion of the playoffs allows two and maybe even three loss SEC juggernauts back into the mix.
The powers that be at Michigan could help make that a reality by offering Harbaugh a contract that makes him one of the highest-paid coaches in college football and gives him a long-term commitment. Harbaugh could end up being Michigan's longest-tenured coach since Bo Schembechler and he loves his alma mater…
… Harbaugh took a paycut that nearly halved his salary…
… he had his pay restored -- but it was still less than Penn State's James Franklin and Michigan State's Mel Tucker. Harbaugh earned $8.05 million in 2022.
Yeah, I am firmly in the camp of tell the NCAA they lost all credibility starting with Cam Newton, through UNC, and the FBI / Kansas, Arizona, et al. They can go back to their hole and stay there.
Honestly, put the banners up and give Reggie his trophy back. Screw the NCAA.
While I sort of agree with your follow the rules in place point - Bush’s main complaint should always be Cam Newton. The same rules didn’t apply to Cam, and therefore Reggie should have his Heisman reinstated.
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I think at this point, in order to re-establish rules and norms and not be in violation of antitrust, the next NCAA has to include player representation, especially for rules around splitting up the money pie and rules around recruiting, transferring, etc.
There needs to be rules, but you can’t enforce them in the current top down arrangement.
My take is after the first Indian attempt, and the Japanese “landing”, this is not so easy, especially without on scene pilots, so any landing is an event.
Landed and tipped on its side. Maybe a tall thin lander isn’t the best of ideas …
The opposite - since they can’t enforce NIL, the likely reaction is to over enforce what they can …
Yes, which is why I said it’s not that.
Not a transition where the staff and culture remain intact (which is what it has been advertised as by promoting Moore).
Yeah - I don’t know how much of the foot dragging is the posted for 7 days thing, but it sure feels like we are not moving with the cache of being the reigning national champions. It’s almost like we hired a young guy with no experience as a head coach and expect him to be able to completely rebuild a championship level staff quickly and effectively.
This has become not a Bo-Mo-Lloyd transition with coaching staff and culture intact. Moore is now rebuilding.
Sherrone doesn’t have the cache and we are witnessing the results. Both on the departmental leverage on issues like NIL - let alone public leverage, and on protecting his staff.
All of this may be true, but we are seeing a significant setback to Michigan football right when they had a chance to turbo charge it (like Georgia did). And the guy who is in charge of the department is responsible for ensuring the latter.
So far the response has been promote from within. Meanwhile to outward reason to believe in sustained success, and the potential floor for expectations - the thing that influences recruits and keeps players out of the portal - declines daily.
And then there is the demise of the basketball program and the whole Mel thing.
You forgot the schedule too.
Yep - Jim was in my history classes at M. That is the way we think at this age.
I suspect lawyers and show clause phrasing will be the biggest reason on the one side.
I mean - I don’t think it’s Ward at all at this point, and it would more likely be the need to win both.
As I recall the '97 team had that same vibe: misfiring here and there yet still getting to the top of the mountain. It makes the journey more colorful, and leaves even more to the imagination.
My mom uses hers all the time. She gave me one and I never use it. It’s up on the high shelf in the pantry collecting dust.
I don’t see a meaningful difference over using the oven. We don’t do French fries and such though.
My view - no do-overs - if the best team has already beaten # 2 and # 3, then they should play # 4. The only question becomes what happens if # 4 wins.
It was announced down here Wednesday or Thursday.
Cade was one of the first people to respond to Zinter’s out of surgery tweet, so maybe we cut him a break.
The only way they sign this contract this week is if Michigan loses Saturday. Otherwise, I think they wait until after the Big Ten championship game and the football playoff teams are announced
It’s not over until WE say it’s over …
What if the twitter revelation drop feed is designed to get the NCAA and B1G to act on what they’ve already been given.
This seems to be coordinated by design - e.g., started when Jordan Acker signed out with the Third Day of Ohio State week comment - so there is more to it than what we are seeing.
I think this is more aimed at terrifying all the people who ganged up and voted to suspend Harbaugh, Pettiti and the NCAA.
The gentleman’s agreement has been broken and each now has to assess their own skeletons and risk.
I would love to know if OSU had Georgia practice film last year. If teams outside the conference get impacted, the noise and outrage around OSU goes up quite a bit.
My view is the optics will look very bad for Day - such a wuss he hired a PI to take out Harbaugh rather than man up.
Also the script for sleezy activity gets applied to OSU as well.
It’s not a defense, but it broadens the narrative and casts Pettiti’s rush to judgement into a different light.
The question in my mind is: roll it out now and risk consolidating the Buckeyes, or wait until Monday and drive a stake into Days coffin if he loses or disrupt their championship run if they win?
The thing is: if you roll it out now, does the Michigan fan base walk in more angry and more unified Saturday? And does that cause confusion to OSUs preparations?
He just signed off of X for a while stating something about “happy Third Day of Ohio State week”.
His emphasis in the caps (Third Day is the PI firm.)
I kind of agree with this - attend with signs like Thamel is an OSU Shill and Paul is a Sniveling Click Whore and Extra SEC Propaganda Network and Ryan Day is such a chicken he hired a PI firm and cried to the B1G so he didn’t have to play Harbaugh again and Petitti the Puppet.
Everyone stand with their backs turned in silence except when Desmond speaks. Until Fox starts up and then leave.
Especially after Bush was injured, and Chase in the previous game.
I think Harbaugh chooses or has chosen to go because of this. The rest of the B1G will continue to persecute with him here.
I am so mad at the conference right now, and will be furious if we lose to OSU because Sherrone cannot focus on the offensive play calling between series, and Harbaugh is not in the field.
Well the unity we had last Friday is fractured for an unknown reason. The one thing we can rally around is fuck the B1G and the other teams in it, and beat Ohio.
I’m betting Jim is gone. He shows up for the press conference Monday all relaxed and “old Jim”, the insiders go silent, Clink went silent, Michigan calls off the dogs with the B1G.
Nothing against the University, the entire B1G has clearly broken all precedent in expressing they will continue to persecute Michigan while he’s here. He loves Michigan, so he’s leaving. (And he’s giving Moore an audition.)
We all need to start following flightaware again.
It will be interesting to see how the fanbase responds next week. Will they be loud and angry or shocked?
No, no - any Navy CPO will tell you the Ensigns are the most expendable / least knowledgeable part of the crew, while not even available to do the grunt work of an enlisted apprentice. (I was an Ensign and they are pretty much correct - you have to be a sponge those first two years. The XO pretty much talks past you to the CPO.)
Marshmallows or toilet paper rolls?
You had to stash a roll in reserve on Saturdays then because the dorm bathrooms had nothing left.
Or we drop it after The Game. If we dropped it now, it is very unlikely Day gets suspended in time (because you have to build the outrage to get it approved), but it does galvanize his players behind him like ours are.
Wait til after and then cause the disturbances.
You’ve forgotten the Indiana jibrone out to injure Rashan, Chase, etc. as well.
Not a lawyer - but there is the whole thing about what constitutes in-person scouting vs 3rd party scouting and 3rd party videoing.
Also the bit about that risk to opposing players is essentially the same no matter how the signs were obtained. e.g., the risk to Michigan players vs Purdue, Rutgers or Ohio State was the same as the risk to Michigan opponent players.
Also, it seems very dangerous to set a precedent where a team or friends of that team can hire an investigative firm to illicitly obtain information on another team within the conference, turn that in to the NCAA, and then drive a sensationalized PR / smear campaign of mixed facts and innuendos through the press to bring sanctions on that other team before all facts and rule violations are determined.
So CMU played at Michigan State. How does Michigan State have no idea who was on their field? Would they not have issued all of the passes for both teams?
How has CMU not gone down the list and said Joe Smith, you had a sideline pass: where you there?
I personally think we should announce the hiring of private investigators to look into every single big ten team with the intent of sharing any findings with the B1G and NCAA, and the expectation that any findings should result in the immediate suspension of the head coach of that team since this is the precedent.
Note - the alleged guilty party was Tressel in that case.
The alleged guilty party in our case is Stallions, who was suspended indefinitely right away, and resigned.
So why isn't Brian buying into this? He still has this "well Stallions is guilty" frame of BPONE reference.
Also, we need to convince someone int he press out there to lean into this counter argument.
Even if they did, would they not be shown the door like Weiss who signed onto someone else’s account? It’s still illegally obtained. Or was that what Weiss was illegally obtaining?
Oh, I totally see the NCAA forfeiting our last two seasons and implementing a bowl ban. It just feels like they have it in for us, but not Kansas, Tennessee, et al.
If it turns out our intelligence guy was using open source information like TV broadcasts or even fan videos, and there was no vast network, the University should consider defamation lawsuits against the NCAA and the B1G.
I know nothing about rugby other than enjoying watching it on Australian TV when down there a few times.
Maul sounds even cooler than scrum, so yeah, let’s run with it!
If Texas (or A&M, et al) behaves in the way suggested above (going outside the rules mutually agreed upon by the member institutions of the NCAA), then they are essentially saying they are out of the NCAA. So yes, ejection should be the consequence.
The question comes down to how many teams want out, and what collective set of fair play standards will they agree to.
Net: just because you can legally ignore the rules of the collective, doesn’t mean you should.
We’ll see how it plays out.
Also, the problem was the NCAA doing nothing about Cam Newton. The doors swung wide open …
One TV break per score - kick - 1st down or 3rd down - punt - 1st down.
Goodyear Duratracs May be better than KO2s for snow and mud. They last a long time (like 60k miles) and are relatively quite for the first 20k miles or so.
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I think at some point, we have to come to grips with Great = B1G Championship and into the CFP Semifinals, Exceptional = CFP Final, and Unforgettable, Never Thought it Would Happen Again = National Champion.
Especially when the expansion of the playoffs allows two and maybe even three loss SEC juggernauts back into the mix.
https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-plan-to-interview-jim-harbaugh-this-week-could-new-big-money-extension-k
So the bottom of this article explains a lot:
Yeah, I am firmly in the camp of tell the NCAA they lost all credibility starting with Cam Newton, through UNC, and the FBI / Kansas, Arizona, et al. They can go back to their hole and stay there.
Honestly, put the banners up and give Reggie his trophy back. Screw the NCAA.
While I sort of agree with your follow the rules in place point - Bush’s main complaint should always be Cam Newton. The same rules didn’t apply to Cam, and therefore Reggie should have his Heisman reinstated.
Considering the Purdue coaching staff changes, I think both do.
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