chance of bowl: 13.6%
|1 day 19 hours ago||I think the "Bad Person" thing||
came from an assumed public assertion that Hoke intentionally left Morris on the field, and sent him back out knowing that he was most likely concussed, and then lied about it to the press.
Most of the commentary, including the quote from This is Not Michigan above, assert that Hoke is so incompetent - vis-a-vis being unaware of the details of what is going on on his team and on the field - that he is now endangering his players. Negligence, not badness.
I supposed to some, allegations of negligence or incompetence = "a bad person" too. Me personally, I think there is a difference between a bad coach, and a bad person. One is about qualification to fill a job, the other is about a person's character.
Then again, I still can't square how you go in front of the press at noon on Monday, and still not know your player had a "probable concussion" as of sometime on Sunday, knowing full well you are going to be asked about it. I guess that is still incompetence.
|1 day 21 hours ago||My inner self knew I should have stopped||
when I passed through New Hampshire this summer, and stocked up way more.
|2 days 1 hour ago||I think the point was||
the NCAA is a sham because the rules don't allow for remedial prep classes to prepare the student athletes to be able to take advantage of the free college education. This is an excellent point - perhaps the rules should be modified to allow for prep classes red shirts - players can play be on scholarship and practicing but not playing without impacting eligibility - eligibility starts when enough college courses are being taken.
This is one thing I like about the Service Academies - they have a prep school for underqualified athletes.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Yes, and then a certain||
NC State Homer reporter picked up on it and wouldn't let it die until UNC eventually did a thorough investigation. (I believe this is the third and the other two were "a couple bad apples/nothing to see here".)
|2 days 12 hours ago||Ok ... what are we supposed to do ...||
talk about how dismal our secondary, our offense, or our special teams have played, and how that will stack up against State?
Yeah - that sounds like fun.
Or should we all drink kool aid and hope for magic to suddenly happen? Or what if Peppers can play - then everything will be OK ....
|2 days 13 hours ago||Personally, I think we all should keep out mouths shut||
on this. Maybe it wasn't institutionalized across 18 years like UNC, but didn't we have our own psychology professor running independent study courses that were highly attended by athletes who generally received good grades for the class? Maybe that only appeared improper and really was legitimate, and in Michigan's credit, they did make some changes after the cat was out of the bag, but it never felt to me like we were 100% squeaky clean on that one.
My take is UNC should vacate any game they won in which an athlete played who's academic eligibility was due to these questionable seminars. Other than that, the NCAA can determine how severe they want to go on current day penalties.
I think the right discussion is the one we were having in another thread on this topic: how the NCAA and Universities can find a reasonable way to balance course loads and athletic responsibilities to better prepare these kids for life after sport.
|2 days 21 hours ago||As much as I dislike Brandon's demeanor||
and many things he's done: if he earnestly listens and changes, whatever. Don't like that outcome, but I'd live with it.
Our football team plays very bad football consistently. Bottom of the Big Tehhhhnnnnn bad. They need to start playing very good football now, or Hoke has to go. I can't see that happening - so Hoke has to go.
|2 days 21 hours ago||No, no||
Chris Weber time out management skills tops it.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Was this in broadcast game coverage as well?||
Maybe I am mixing the two up, but I seem to recall several sideline shots of Hoke coaching the dline up during the Penn State broadcast coverage. And then there was the "this is horrible ... Shane Morris shouldn't be on the field ... but Brady Hoke should absolutely keep his job next year Minnesota coverage.
|3 days 45 min ago||I agree||
fire that money expunging, money wasting S.O.B.
|3 days 1 hour ago||The team leaders||
should line the whole team up and have them walk by this.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Eh Hopefully Our Guys||
get all pissed about it:
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High (8/10) Movie CLIP - …" on YouTube
What was it Dantonio said about the pride before the fall?
|3 days 13 hours ago||Watching this just makes me ill||
reminding me that Michigan used to be a functional football team.
What a mess we are now - should never have complained in 2005.
|3 days 20 hours ago||I'd like them to keep it solidly in their mind||
that students, alumni, and fans are stakeholders too, and TRADITION is important - even to students.
|3 days 21 hours ago||And it would have||
in December 2010 or January 2011 as well.
Why - finally a proven reason to believe we are headed in the right direction.
|3 days 23 hours ago||Brady, did you read the Offensive UFR for Penn State?||
Pass Pro was pretty OK. Run blocking sucked the big one. Why would we think we are a team that runs the football?
|3 days 23 hours ago||That season was so painful||
especially watching poor one armed Henne. Ugh - the OSU game ... I felt like I was depressed and dying.
Now I realize we hadn't even scratched the surface of football despair.
|4 days 18 hours ago||Is that you Dave?||
Or are you just a staffer for Dave doing a little market research?
|5 days 23 hours ago||Frankly, I am worried Gardner will survive||
against State, at least in any serviceable form for the rest of the season.
|1 week 1 day ago||On the film sessions||
Everyone here tell me, that if they were Michigan's AD they wouldn't be hanging around football like a kid in a candy store ....
Personally, I am a manage by walking around type, and since one of the main reasons we hired Dave Brandon was to figure out what's going wrong in football and fix it, it makes sense to me that he has spent time personally finding out what is going on in football. Even if it didn't need fixing, if that is your management style, and football is the # sport, you would spend more of your time understanding that than say women's rowing.
As for film sessions - the coaches have been under fire for a year now - and before that occasionally pitched some stinkers. I would want the perspective of what went wrong from the film sessions. So, I am OK with that, as long as he's not directing coaching decisions: "well, customer research shows low confidence in Devin, and there is a strong consumer propensity to want Shane in at QB, so lets play Shane for all of the Minnesota game and see if that drives more average revenue per customer".
Then again - if he watched the DVR'ed television broadcast first, and saw what we saw (a horrible, un-Michigan football performance) - maybe he would understand his customer better.
Also, for a guy who is all so worried about competing with my family room sofa, he sure has jacked the game day expense up high enough to drive a lot of fans to the competition.
|1 week 1 day ago||Exactly||
Dave Brandon gives us all these gilded things. We love him! Same with the Student Athletes.
It is the people being gouged, jerked around, and lied to in exchange for a (bland?, mediocre?, really sucky?) flagship product on the field (complete with all the generic bells and whistles) that want Brandon gone.
|1 week 1 day ago||It like Band of Brothers||
on the eve of D-Day when the officer annouces (in a very Bacon-like voice) "there will be no jump tonight"
Damn - when will the fog clear in the channel so we can get this over with?
|1 week 1 day ago||Went through Diet Coke withdrawals myself||
I used to buy a big gulp of diet coke on the way to work every day and drink it through the day. On weekends I had symptoms like TVH. Then I noticed if I drank a diet coke on weekends - the headache would clear. The way I was able to quit was by shifting to real coke, and they cutting back on that over time.
It's not the caffeine - it is the sweetener or something else in the diet coke.
|1 week 2 days ago||Why not hire a competitive coach||
with a similar system this time around?
Then we avoid mass exodus, and mismatched skills.
|1 week 3 days ago||I read it as an excuse too||
because all college coaches are in the same boat.
However, it is true that the emergence of 7 on 7 has reduced summer and off season development and camps for linemen. (e.g., Our high school team has Thursdays off for linemen in the summer, while the rest of the team is off playing 7 on 7.) Not to mention most camps do not have the kids in pads and hitting (most likely due to liability reasons). Even at the college level, the kids can voluntarily play 7 on 7 themselves with no coaches watching and work on the playbook, pass timing, coverages, etc., but how do the o-linemen and d-linemen work on foot and hand placement, pulling, and leverage, etc. in a realistic situation if they can't suit up?
Either way, maybe spring ball helps teams with a large number of southern recruits, but otherwise everyone is in the same situation.
|1 week 4 days ago||And Brady Hoke submitted it to the B1G for review||
and um, uh, er, well, uh, er .....
We don't know what the answer was. It appears it was not the admission of a mistake, and was somehow satisfactorily explained.
|1 week 5 days ago||I bet his demeanor||
plays well in Philly. A great fit for him.
|1 week 5 days ago||I don't agree||
I agree that some of the booing has been directed at poor play on the field, and I agree that some of the fans in the stands and on the internet yell mean things about specific players.
However, most of the booing - and the internet ire on this site - has been aimed at the coaching staff, for mismanagement issues with play calling, time management, and not deciding to pull an injured player when he clearly should have been (and then sending him back onto the field - for which we should have been booing the medical staff I guess).
Hagerup is right though - at the end of the day, the only way to stop all the negativity is for the players to pick themselves up off the mat and fight as hard as they can. That is what they did in the Ohio State game last year, and even though they lost - they were cheered on until the end.
To Will and team I say "Go Blue!"
|1 week 5 days ago||In my mind "the Michigan Man meme"||
means backstabbing any coach that is not from the Michigan coaching tree by trumping up allegations of NCAA violations, and either directly or indirectly obstructing recruiting, etc. That is what happened to R2 before he got to his fourth year.
And then deliberately hiring a member of a specific Michigan coaching tree, who by wins and loss records alone, is clearly not as qualified as other coaching candidates (with other, or no Michigan coaching heritage) to lead the tradition and values of Michigan football: "winning with integrity".
The "we must hire from within the family" mentality, is how we've gotten into this mess of mediocrity. The time we hired from without - before R2 - ruffled a lot of feathers, but worked out pretty well as far as "winning with integrity" is concerned. We got the man who coined the term "Michigan Man" - but he was one because he displayed those values.
I have seen some people suggest we abandon our values. I agree to do so would be wrong. I think the vast majority of this fan base want to see both values on display -- not just integrity -- and continuing in "mediocrity with integrity" because we happily hired within is just not good enough.
FWIW, I think the current coaching staff acts with an intentionally opaque set of values to protect players and program, and mislead opponents. In their minds, this is the right thing to do, and acting consistently within that framework equals integrity. I am not so sold on this, but can comprehend where they are coming from.
I think on the other hand, the current AD and PR staff communicate in disingenuous ways that are directly misleading; which to me completely lacks integrity and insults our intelligence.
There has to be a better option than the current state.
|1 week 5 days ago||I think Will Hagerup||
has a unique point of view here, from a year of introspection. So what is wrong with him showing leadership in this way?
And I think the 5th year QB has been saying (yelling) the same thing.
This team's leaders are emerging. Albeit late, but I am glad to see them.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||So your saying||
it bothers you that we look like a clown show to the rest of the college football nation so you want Rodriquez to fail so we look better.
Bad news, we'll still look like a clown show because Brandon hired an unqualified guy to coach a marquis football program, and everyone outside the state of Michigan knew it the day he was hired.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||The point was no Brandon||
(I guess he was too busy pimping the brand to Chobani.)
But it may signal that Mike DeBord will be the interim AD. (I am assuming Hoke is head coach for the duration.)
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Saw it too - this is branding or brand pimping?||
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||Allegedly, Schlissel was there||
with Mike DeBord (administrator for Olympic Sports). Brandon was not present.
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||WARNING: Sarcastic commentary to follow in an attempt at satire||
So, we get to bring in our own water for 6 o 7 games and have to buy Absopure on the "Super Bowl" experience day - the same with seat cushions?
Are giant Kraft noodles, AllState Good Hands extra point nets, and mascots are allowed on the "Super Bowl" experience day, along with all manner of rent the Big House for this or that public service announcements - and the band gets a day off - or do they wear UPS delivery uniforms?
Are prices on non-"Super Bowl" days lower?
What about student seating? Is it GA seating where you have to arrive seven hours early and sit in an assigned location on "Super Bowl" days, and can they "oversell" the student section on "Super Bowl" days, and then revert to more traditional seating policy the rest of the time?
Can Coke buy up all the unsold tickets at a discount for "Super Bowl" days, and give them away with the purchase of a Coke product?
Is it the J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach on "Super Bowl" days, and just Head Coach the rest of the season?
Do we only get Chobani tweets and Cadillac box scores on "Super Bowl" days?
We get fireworks on every first down, a tripped out Eminem at half time, jet pack guys and Amazon ball delivery drones, and F-35Bs VSTOL landing and takeoffs (brought to you Lockheed Martin and the US Marine Corps) on "Super Bowl" days right?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Would you say there is a split||
between the guys who have no choice but to work hard because this year (and maybe next) is there last, and they need it to go well to make it to the league, whereas guys who have a few years maybe are more likely to be less motivated and just hope all this shit clears up in time for them to have a successful make or break year?
I get the sense that Fleet, Miller, and DG are the "Don't Give up the Ship" hard workers, and DG definitely has been blaming himself and trying too hard to carry the team.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Well there is one||
bit of real information in the midst of the same scenario we've all been speculating on in there. So thanks for posting.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Free Coke, Kraft Mac and Cheese, and Chobani||
with a bottlw of Absopure thrown in, if they come to the games!
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The last time we had a 2 win season||
was under Kipke in the 1930s (I think 36)
What reason do I have to believe Hoke can win a B1G championship any time soon?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I hear||
Miss Rita still makes awesome nacho dip:
And Rhett is a lock for a scholarship at Arizona:
In other news, the monkey said "it doesn't matter it's in the past".
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Was he in on the previous TD play?||
They are gesturing toward where the previous play was. I am wondering if it is about the touchdown play rather than the extra point block?
FWIW - saw this in JV football last week: a DB gets a pick - the DC chews his ass as he is coming off the field all happy because the guy he was supposed to cover was wide open for a TD behind him if the QB hadn't underthrown the pass.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The handling of||
the Gibbon's debacle needed to be handled truthfully as well. I understand there were legal obligations - but there was a way to handle it (e.g., like Florida, or at the very least he is not playing this week pending the outcome of disciplinary issues, and then he is no longer with the team.) - and the was the misleading and then "cover up" way it was presented.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Why is this the second||
week in a row where I sorta feel like we are playing ourselves?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||great but six months too late||
to fix the product on the field
|2 weeks 2 days ago||yeah - if we get rid of||
noodle and skywriting czar and coke promotions manager, I am good with that
|2 weeks 2 days ago||So people should just shut up||
and let the big money donors have their say behind the scenes while we are all good little citizens?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||So your plan is||
to do nothing except maybe complain on social media or send an email or letter.
Then DB stays in place, and Hoke gets a 5th year - which may be better than this year but we still see a lot of "little errors" while Hoke's contract is extended so it becomes even more expensive to fire him (e.g., ND is still paying Charlie).
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah - can we stop debating this yet?||
I believe everyone has made their position known about tens times over.
I find the ongoing PR campaign to encourage attendance amusing. The fact that Dave Brandon needs to reach out to every athlete in the department, the student government, sell tickets via groupon, living social and two cokes, etc. is because David Brandon totally blew the football coaching change in 2011.
Personally - I don't believe Brandon is gone - this guerilla war stuff wouldn't be going on, and Schlissel would not have included this statement in his form reply:
Meaning we'll let Dave Brandon mix dinasaur ball while ramming "modernization" with a fee attached down our throats until the department really goes into the red.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I have two problems with that article||
1) attributing this to MGoBlog - it was just posted here as the OP describes
2) the headline uses just the word boycott without the qualifiers - the proposal is to boycott the kickoff as described in the details
And maybe a third - the question asked of the players, and the way the daily presents it does not clearly delineate that the specific kickoff boycott proposed is a demonstration against David Brandon's continued employment: not the football players.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Has the regime changed yet?||
Does the University leadership think who they have heard from is a vocal fringe or a very large portion of the fan base? Are they really going to take it seriously: do they think the can smooth it over with some smarmy bull shit? Or are they going to hunker in the bunker and hope the storm passes?
The timing of the regime change is urgent. If Brandon doesn't step down in the next few weeks, then we are stuck with status quo for at least a year longer or another Brandon led "process". Therefore, unmistakeable public emphasis is needed.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Don - I think large numbers||
of unsold tickets are a result of a shift in the demand curve. What a calamity this season has become: the perfect storm of no home rivalry games, student tickets sales way down off a disastrous GA policy, everyone else fed up with constant price raising and nickel-diming, combined with this year looking to be the worst of 8 years of on field failure (as measured by B1G championships and Rose Bowls) and maybe the worst ever.
I feel bad for the players - I really do - but it's not really a Fuck You if the product on the field (though it might be improving) is losing. The demand curve is broken.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||When they installed||
grass in the (90s? was after 87) they lowered the filed.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||the last Brandon blog post||
was before the Utah game too - before the Coke promo broke.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I would not be attending from NC anyway||
but my message to Norfleet and Miller would be this: we support you and want you to be successful on and off the field. As Michigan students you should realize by now that student (and by extension fan) voice is embedded in Michigan culture, and if there is a protest on Saturday night it is against Dave Brandon for a lot of reasons including but broader than football woes. While the players may not agree with the protesters about Dave Brandon, the protest is NOT against the football team.
And my message to the protesting students and fans: get in there after the kick off and cheer like hell so the players know you support them and only boo at questionable coaching decisions or bad calls.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||The proposed protest I see||
is directed at David Brandon.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I think we are gilding the olympic sports||
with the football profiteering. If we did a little less gilding, then Michigan could charge a little less for tickets and PSDs (especially less for student tickets), and quit prohibiting items and then charging for them inside the gate.
AS for the rest of the OP's point: the reason people are proposing protests is, the last one took place before the David Brandon condescending nice guy hearts and minds PR campaign. Lest they think it's all cool now, people want to keep the heat on Brandon's ouster.
Why is it important to keep the heat on Brandon's ouster? Timing: if his departure is delayed until the end of the season, or if Brandon doesn't go, whatever occurs with Hoke will be miss-managed just like "The Process" last time.
My view: I am uneasy, and want the players to succeed and develop, and am also worried how any protest is received by the players. However, if the students pull off the kickoff protest on national TV in a night game - and then come in an cheer like crazy for the team - that is a huge, very public sign that cannot be overlooked by the regents and the president when they meet the following week.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I think||
if they won out - or even played tough and close against MSU and beat Ohio State - showing improvement for the remainder of the season until they appear to be a big boy by Ohio State, then maybe there is a reason to believe enough to get back on board (a bowl game win would help).
The players, and Mattison say we should believe. If they show it consistently against teams other than App State, Miami (NTM) and Rutgers - then maybe.
I still think Brandon needs to go, because of the disingenuous, contemptuous PR, the profit maximization, and we need someone who can objectively evaluate football performance in a contemporary context.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Would he travel||
if it was something other than an injury though?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Your comment is foolish||
and therefore uncalled for. You should retract it.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Was a Fierce Pragmatist last time||
and I think the description is off this time - thought I was about 80% behind Hoke at the beginning of the season (a pragmatist accepts this as a growing year to a degree, but is wary the results from last season may foretell a change is ultimately necessary). Then was willing to watch and see (based on Mattison and player comments) but doubtful after ND. Then Utah happened, the pragmatic accepts that this isn't going to work out, and Minny confirms it. The Shane Morris PR debacle pushed the pragmatic over the edge to rebellion.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I haven't found the time to do this||
but I'd love to get a frame of Brady Hoke calmly standing next to the ref asking for a clarification on the Darboh incompletion, and Bo Schembechler chewing the living daylights out of a ref for a call like that.
When that happened under Bo, we'd boo the ref - yell "bull shit" - and once Bo really got going, we'd cheer our lungs out. There was an intensity in him that had to flow to the players (it flowed to the crowd).
|2 weeks 5 days ago||And as long as they compete||
with enthusiasm in practice.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||You know - I wonder if Hoke should bring back||
helmet stickers. Maybe that would improve individual performances.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I agree that the offense||
showed some signs of improvement with caveat that it was against Rutgers. So we'll see if that trend continues.
However, the defense definitely took a step backward.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Do you really think||
they won't get that this was a protest against the leadership - versus if #BOYCOTTMARYLAND is effective, it will look like people are just not coming because of the product on the field on Senior Day (which may very well be the eventual reality anyway).
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I disagree with your point||
the boos, the losing, the incompetence shown on the field (the concussion issue, 10 players on the field, delay of game after a timeout, etc.), the mishandled and condescending crisis PR management, and the alienation of the student body are all embarrassments to the University.
A well planned, targeted, and articulated student protest highlights that they are holding the people in charge are accountable in a visible public way.
I'd rather they do this, than boo an interception.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||There must be a lot of false fans||
because I sure heard a lot of booing since the loss to Notre Dame.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Per TVH:||
on twitter: "FWIW, a few parents of recruits told me the losing and development is more of a concern for them with Michigan than concussiongate."
So lets see: recruits are worried about winning (which despite it being just a statistic, we aren't doing) and player development (which isn't happening in any sort of consistent manner) over all the noise around the concussion issue.
Gee, a player chooses a college based on how much that experience promotes them and prepares them for the next level.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Or - don't keep jacking the PSDs||
and the Football Ticket Prices.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I am beginning to wonder if||
the reason Brady Hoke used to call time outs just before the play clock expiring, is because big Al Borges was screaming down from the booth: "play clock, Play Clock, PLAY CLOCK - CALL A DAMNED TIME OUT!!!!!!"
And the GA on the headset told Hoke, and Hoke called it.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||After this season||
what Wolverine will have a solid draft stock. These guys' career prospects are being deminished.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||OMG we are starting to act like UNC fans||
Leave out the sanctions and academic scandal for a moment and hear me out. UNC games are like giant social events. People dress up - like for a formal cocktail party - and pretty much spend the entire 1st half socializing, which moves outside for the second half. Most appear barely aware there is a game being played.
Your post, and several posts from people still going to the games because they love tailgating with friends ... ugh.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Just curious||
do you do this before or after the state of the gameday thread word count is recorded?
Cut back ont he saltiest of language - aye, aye
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Shane Morris is injured?||
When did that happen? /s
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I am an alumni||
and I tried to sign it, but I could not register for an ID because I graduated so long ago and the alumni association has not shared data or something. So that 11000 number is constrained.
|3 weeks 11 hours ago||I'd like my son||
to play for Hoke too. He seems like a great teacher / players coach. It seems that is not enough at the power five level.
As for Brandon: he's handing out the candy left right and center on the Athletic Department. I am not surprised everyon see who benefits loves it.
Those of us "customers" paying for it, and observing the excess, do not.
|3 weeks 15 hours ago||I think it is going to take a while||
but much like the Gibbons fiasco - somebody out there has got to be seeking out sources for what really happened on the sideline, and when specifically did they know -- and who knew -- Shane Morris had a probable concussion.
Since Brandon did his interviews, he has to have pissed off some people - or there are some people who know the truth and are uneasy with any mis-representations. When that information is discovered - then if anything Brady or Brandon said were direct lies, cause is established.
The difference between this and the Gibbons' story: we have Brandon and Hoke on the record and time stamped for an event we all witnessed.
I am just thinking Brian and Ace seemed pretty damned sure Morris had a concussion right after the game. They had a strong conviction and sense of moral outrage about what we were being told: like Morris had been diagnosed Saturday.
John Bacon also alludes additional information coming out on WTKA - I don't think this has fully played out yet. It is a chess match. Patience is required.
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||We don't have a leg to stand on||
using your argument logic.
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||Is it beer||
and cheese curd related?
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||WD will know||
I've forgotten which game it was, but all the old guard came into town and cheered the guys coming off the bus and going into the locker room for a game when 2007 started badly (might have been before the ND game)
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||When should it not have been since this time last year?||
It doesn't seem to move the needle.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||go||
it may the historic turning point one way, or the other.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||Hit the TGIF happy hour early||
or took a nooner and this is the dream you had???
|3 weeks 20 hours ago||My fan and alumni opinion||
based on 31 years of experience, is the preparation put in day in and day out isn't effective as measured by the results on the playing field. I am not of the opinion that I could do that better, but I am certainly of the opinion that someone can prepare our players better based on a comparison to other teams' results around college football.
My other opinion - based on the bungling of the current and past PR incidents, is that the Athletic Department manages incidents in a manner that embarrasses the University.
Now why am I not entitled to express these opinions of mine?
If Mr. Cleary retracts that last bit of his statement - it was a rant after all - then the rest of his statement is a perfectly fine and understandable point of view.
|3 weeks 20 hours ago||Maybe||
depends on the results ...
|3 weeks 21 hours ago||Unless you are David Brandon||
In which case feel free to throw you medical staff under the bus and allow your coach to get hit by one. Seriously - no one could have texted, emailed or called Brady Hoke anytime between diagnosis on Sunday and 12:38 Monday??? Sam should have asked that specific question, and when on Sunday specifically was Morris diagnosed.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Who at ESPN? And based on what?||
Based on something Brandon said today, or what he said in 2010?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Yep||
that's the form response I recieved too. This line is a gem:
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Uh - OK - I'll bite||
Our offense, behind a healty O line - versus Oregon's atrocious injured one - is ranked 104th in the nation. I'll say that again: The University of Michigan's offense is ranked 104th in the nation. There is no way we'd put 24 on Arizona's defense.
Our "special" (according to Mattison) defense is ranked 49th.
So yeah - ha, ha - the joke is on the Arizona fans ...
We - The University of Michigan fan and donor base - are getting our just desserts right now. We deserve this. We fucked ourselves with this Michigan Man bull shit. Dantonio was right: "Pride comes before the fall".
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Here is the nice email I got from Schlissel today||
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I would think||
they would either just release a statement or call a press conference for that.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||In the post game press conference||
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Agreed||
There is a lot of talk about being bought in, and together - but it doesn't look like it on the field. The players need to prove it on the field - not on twitter or at press conferences. Give us a visual reason to believe.
Also, /s on the execution cliche ya'll.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||The OP is right||
the players need to execute. If they executed better, this shit storm would dissipate. We are in year two of execution issues, and I am hoping like hell that they turn the corner and execute better every moment they play (I mean that in a supportive sense). We have seen each player play better at some point, so we know they can. Go Blue!
If I were the OP, I would not have mentioned any specific player however: poor form.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||The bizarre part I wasn't understanding||
was the bit about Devin and the rest of the offense. There is a dynamic he alludes to within the offense itself based on his mentoring with Devin.
It sounded like [my interpretation] at least part of the offense thought the old guy - Devin - was the problem, and needed to get out of the way of the new guy - Shane.
If this is the case, is it possible Hoke kept Shane in for the bulk of the game to prove a point to the team itself? (Not to mention how it reset the minds of the crowd?)
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Rich was a hot hire||
but the transition required very careful management that was neither Bill Martin's strength, nor something Rich Rod was fully open too.
The problem: in a world that openly shat on that upstart spread offense, and was used to Lloyd Carr (one of the best spoken head coaches in the business) - a good 'ole boy West Virginian spread innovator was always going to face heavy resistance from the inner circle.
The other problem: Rich was very abrupt in how he handled the transition.
If in the transition he was positioned as a Nehlen deciple (i.e., in the Bo coaching tree), and his offense was positioned as the innovative modern version of Bo's option offense (before Harbaugh): how much better would that have been? If he hadn't fired everyone before re-hiring many (most?) back, and even retained part of the defensive coaching staff until Casteel could come: how much better off would that have been?
Both sides blew the shift - and the key stakeholders in the base started throwing up.
Thus Michigan hired the hot coach of 2007, and it was a total disaster.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||yeah but to the outside||
we flushed Rich Rod and the spread down the drain, field a dinosaur punt formation, etc. becuase "this is Michigan Football"
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Two years||
(at least) in a row.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||No way they do it||
but the bye week is when they'll have time to shift the offense. And yes, with the line they have they have go to move to something more spread-like to be able to move the ball.
Won't happen though.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Eh - in 1984||
Jim Harbaugh broke his arm, and Bo Schembechler went 6-6. We students skipped a few games (bad weather - Illinois, knew we'd get beat - Iowa / exams coming up or papers due), and we boo'ed Bo (not the players) loudly when he called a 2 yard running play up the middle (we had no idea positive run yardage was such a luxury) instead of trying that new fangled passing thing.
We didn't have cell phones, blogs, or email. So we griped in person at games, on campus, in the dorms, or at parties. Anything you said about Bo or player x wasn't likely to be heard, and you certainly didn't say it in front of any player. The media, and the donor base is where Bo took the most heat.
Especially in 1984 there were gumblling about the game having passed Bo by. The crisis of the day was the aforementioned reluctance to pass. We were getting beat by those pass heavy upstarts - enough to derail any chance of an unbeaten season.
The thing is, we all told each other "eh - it's a building year" because Bo had such an established history of winning, and that Harbaugh guy looked pretty good before breaking his arm. We were 9-3, 6-6, 10-1-1 (beat Nebraska in the Fiesta), 9-2 (B1G champions - lost to ASU in the Rose) while I was there, so this was generally true.
If they pulled out a 9-3 or 8-4 or even a 7-5 this year, I 'd be inclined to be patient and listen to the players (and Mattison) about Hoke. The "Corso forecast" trajectory this team appears to be on is far worse.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Specifically since the UM President||
said we are going to be communicating more transparently moving forward.
Color me not surprised.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Actually, I was sort of curious||
if any extra effort could be seen between the 1st Q offense under Shane, and the 4Q offense under Devin. There appeared to be some player - player, or player - coaching decision dynamics going on that seemed to clear when Devin went in.
Maybe the sample sizes would be too small to tell.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Lets not forget||
the damage done to the career prospects of players like Devin and Fitz (and any other running back on the roster).
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Look two threads down||
And tell me enough of our players have developed as they should have.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||The interesting thing is that||
Brandon feels it is necessary to trot out Stephen Ross and the SAAC, and the SAAC said nothing about Hoke - just Brandon.
Yes, yes: we support Dave Brandon who excels at gouging the shit out of you so we get really nice new facilities.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I agree - this is where the B1G||
can't just say "well it wasn't called on the field, so nothing we can do now"
Two things needs to be done:
1) Most importantly: similar to Michigan, the refs need to review what they saw when, and how they thought Shane was acting, and why they didn't see the replay on the board - or the replay official didn't say anything about the possibility of a head to head hit so both players involved could be checked on
2) They need to review the hit itself, and whay they didn't call it targeting and eject the defensive player - did the guy have his head down or up, etc.
And then they need to report their findings to the press as well.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Other than Ryan and helmets||
they did a good balanced job on this one.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I think the writing hit the wall for Hoke a week earlier||
and thus Mattison's emotions when he was discussing Hoke.
Then DB went into the bunker after Cokegate - about the time that signed ex-player petition was supposed to hit. Since then he trotted out Stephen Ross, and had his PR staff twist arms to get public support for Hoke.
But Saturday happened. At some point in the 4th quarter DB saw what was being reported on TV. He had a WTF session with Hoke and Nuss, directed the usual bluster and obfuscate tactics, and then submerged to see how the winds blew.
One wonders if Schlissel grabbed him by the nuts Monday afternoon after hearing what Hoke said, and between that and the medical staff refusing to budge, that is how we ended up with the more or less "truthful" and remorseful statement at 1AM.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Eh - I want to see how the players respond||
to having Gardner back at the helm.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I think the transparent line||
is a shot over the bow: no more bull shit Diamond Dave.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I disagree||
I think this incident is the latest in Diamond Dave not being transparent, and pissing the fanbase off because we know he is not being transparent. Regardless of what happens to Hoke, I do not want David Brandon as an AD. And whether you believe Hoke was telling the truth as he knew it (even though he should have known) or he lied - the fact that the real truth was not reported like Sunday is on the AD.
As for Hoke - he needs to evolve or move on as well. He was ultimately responsible for Shane playing with a "probable" concussion, and he is responsible for a losing football record.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Why doesn't everyone protest outside||
and then go in? Supports the players, is sure to get tens of thousands of people on TV holding signs and yeling Fire Dave Brandon / Fire Brady Hoke.
Once you're in - don't buy anything. I bet Brandon measures ARPU - if Average Revenue Per User (or ticketholder) is usually $15, across 100,000 people that is a lot of money.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Total boardroom politcal behavior||
This is how they act - they are your best buddy until you are expendable in order for them not to loose face or their position. Have been watching similar behavior here at IBM.
Brady Hoke needs to watch his back, because he is on an island on this one.
We'll know Brandon has survived the Board of Regents in a month or so.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||The thing is||
if they just cover the DB press release, and then parrot the statement, then nothing will happen. What really needs to be on the agenda is the ethics of the AD in the handling of this. Even then Hoke is the fall guy.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||What about Molk in the Sugar Bowl?||
I guess I look at it this way: Devin played with a broken foot. Assuming they knew when it happened, did they force Devin back in? I would assuming that Devin wanted back in, and had it treated with tape, pain killer, etc. so he could go back in. When he did, he was very effective.
Molk was a similar case. They almost certainly knew his injury. Clearly they needed Molk, and Molk got taped up and went in.
The Molk case by the way destroys any argument that this is a racist thing. Morris was clearly ineffective, and hampered by his leg injury (that Minnesota went after FWIW). He probably should have been pulled. However, like Gardner and Molk he wanted to stay in. I'll even spot them the one play after being supported by Braden. Once he was pulled, he never should have gone back in.
All of that said, Hoke should have acknowledged the concern for his player's safety at the post game conference, and said they are looking into it, AND DBs release last night should have come out Sunday with no other statements but "we are looking into it" being made before then.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Not Lincoln||
he was from Illinois, and thus not a Michigan Man ...
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah - I think Hoke has been painted into a corner||
by the press: checkmate!
His boss Brandon threw him under the bus with this release, but added a pillow before the third set of wheels rolled over him.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||If he didn't know, he should have fucking asked||
and kept asking until he got a direct answer.
I don't care if he knew or not, everyone else around Michigan Football knew Saturday night, and certainly Sunday that this was a major PR issue (not to mention player health). He should have fucking asked. He should have made fucking sure before he opened his mouth at 12:38 yesterday.
If he didn't know, it was intentional. If he did know, he lied.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Simple - Hoke is not Fred Flintstone||
he is Sergeant Schultz.
If you had asked me two months ago if Hoke would be let go for not caring about one of his student athletes, and then openly lying about it to the press (not just being cagey), I wouldn't believe you. This is just like the Gibbons incident, in that he attempts to navigate a sticky issue by throwing a red herring out there and then claiming he doesn't or didn't know the truth.
Yesterday he said Shane would have practiced if it weren't for a high ankle sprain on Sunday. I think he also was cornered into saying Shane does not have a concussion.
Does anyone now believe Gibbons' "injury" was keeping him from playing in the Ohio State game?
I am now convinced that the heated discussion with Brandon and Nuss in the coaches room was the beginning of the cover up. The conclusion was Hoke was to play Sergeant Schultz at the post-game conference to buy time to weave the story. Then the first statement was a trial balloon to see if they could get away with not addressing the concussion concern.
IF AT ANY TIME ON SUNDAY Dave Brandon had released the statement above, this would be a non issue. SINCE football head trauma is a hot button general public issue (as further heightened by the release yesterday that Jovan Belcher had CTE), their usual bluster tactic didn't work and the story blew up, resulting in a second attempt to delay and be deceptive at Brady Hoke's press conference yesterday.
There is no way Hoke didn't know on Sunday that Morris had a concussion. He lied yesterday in an attempt to cover up what they have now admitted to - lack of communication endangered one of our players. If he didn't know - and I don't believe it given the heat of the issue - he should have found out: before practice yesterday, and certainly before he released any statements to the press and his press conference. (Just like Goodell should have insisted on getting that Ray Rice security tape and watching it.)
Brian is correct: these are not the type of people we want running Michigan Football. They need to go. So does the PR staff, or whoever is the one who sets the strategy for the releases and has final signoff authority.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||They may prefer||
you donate to the University and purchase season tickets.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||You can tell he's been managing back room||
since the Coke scandal - or maybe the first Gregg Henson post - broke. The parade of Stephen Ross, various former players, and people in the press backing Hoke last week, and even the announcers backing Hoke at the end of the game were orchestrated by someone. Then there are the statements about the Shane scandal which are a bizarre mix of DB obfuscation tactics and Brady Hoke ramblings.
So it would appear he is still pulling the strings, and shoring up his political base (big donors and regents), while avoiding attachment to the current staff twisting in the breeze.
We'll know he has landed like a cat if he re-emerges spouting something about reviewing the football program at the end of the season.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I am surprised they didn't meet you at the door||
pull your press pass, and turn you away. You know, the Bacon treatment ...
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Here's where Hoke was annouced||
Some other gems:
Aaaannndd, the best for last:
|3 weeks 4 days ago||In the time between Shane coming off the field||
and him going back out when Gardner's helmet came off, did the medical staff or trainer test or evaluate Shane Morris for a concussion? Yes - or - No?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I have been wondering if they did that||
to permanently shut up all the Gardner detractors. Or if something had transpired that Gardner was intentionally benched for the game (like Peppers). Gardner sure looked pissed, and was not supportive of Shane in the way he had been against Utah.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Look how Morris looks||
as he wobbles and looks about to go down, then leans on Braden and Braden almost has to hold his hand to keep him up, then as he's waving Nuss off his arms are flailing in an odd limp manner like he is drunk or something ...
Tell me - if it was your son - whether he may not have taken a helmet hit - would you want him pulled and evaluated right then for a concussion?
If aa a parent I could see what I saw real time on TV, security would have been dragging me off the field (or maybe an OSU coach would have tackled me), because I would have been going over the wall to stop play.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||You could still hear||
"Fire Dave Brandon" on TV. It was glorious. I am very proud of our students for speaking up.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Eh rats||
I would absolutely vote for Brian if I could.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Not absovling Michigan of anything||
but I agree, the Big Ten has some questions to answer here as well - both around the officiating crew's inaction, and the penalty called.
If an officiating crew cannot stop play unless a player is down, that rule should be changed - like a TKO in boxing. Even then, there are rules, and there is common sense - or doing the right thing.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Holy Shit||
How does one vote for Regent? Do Alumni get a vote?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah - it was clear in my eyes||
that Nuss should have pulled Morris out - even with Morris waving him off, AND the trainer should have evaluated him for a concussion.
Before we get all self-congratulatory however, I truly wonder how excised the fan base would be, and how much easier it would be to settle them if we were 5-0 coming off a year like 2011.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||That was the point||
to make you feel stupid, like you don't understand and they do, so you should sit down and shut up.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Not only that||
they were looking at his leg, and not his head. So I guess millions of people mis-saw what we saw.
It's all over folks - move along - nothing to see here but a really sucky season of "Michigan" football.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Uh go watch the video clip Brian posted||
and tell me with a straight face, if that was your son - never mind if he wants to stay in or not - would you want the coaches to pull him and have him evaluated, and not let him back in the game a few plays later until they were certain it was safe?
It doesn't matter if Shane actually has a concussion or not. Most of the stadium, the TV announcers, and almost everyone watching at home could clearly see that young man needed to be pulled and evaluated for his own safety.
I don't hold a torch and pitchfork on this issue, but the AD's response clearly completely avoids the specific concern that has been widely reported. This is a clear integrity issue, and the press release is disingenuous.
I don't think Nuss is clean on this either just because he can't call a timeout. Nor the refs. Someone on that field or on that sideline should have done something.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Um - ok||
so lets suppose Shane refused to go down when Nuss told him to, and he stayed on the field. They then pulled him two plays later. Then Shane was evaluated during the game and found not to have concussion symptoms - why not come out and say something like "while the hit shown in the media certianly looked bad, and Shane seemed unstable, he was evaluated by our staff in the game, and afterward and found not to have a concussion. The instability was due to a leg injury and the pain from it" in this press release?
Because the lawyers are covering up the truth. They'll hide behind HIPPA next.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Even better||
They did the right thing and removed Shane Morris from the game for sustaining a leg injury (like three times!).
No mention of the apparent head trauma and his inability to stand clearly shown in video, nor whether he was evaluated for a concussion, much less if he passed or not, and then they put him back in!
Oh and I forgot that they didn't evaluate his leg when he initially sustained the injury.
Did anyone expect an honest and complete answer versus the short defensive blame deflecting bullshit we read here?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||aren't we all the same people||
who were appalled when Lewan grabbed a guys face mask in the pile or shoved Tom's face into the turf? Do we think Lewan was doing that because he was a thug?
I agree it would be nice if someone got up in that dudes face and yelled at him, but Hoke has coached his guys not to do anything that may incur a penalty - and he himself doesn't go all Bo on the refs (never mind that he doesn't have a headset to throw).
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I have come to the conclusion||
that Hoke is like a position coach with a head coach title. It's OK for D line coaches to watch the line play , coach his players up as they come off the field, and try to keep everyone's spirits up. Those things can be accomplished without wearing a headset or having to be aware of how many other players are on the field, etc. Heck, the players probably love that he does this.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I wonder if they were||
arguing about the decision to leave Shane in or send him back in when Gardner came out. You would think DB had recognized or been informed of the PR issue and he was down their intercepting the coaches before the press conference so they could do their usual arrogant, blame avoiding spin attempt.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I agree with this||
Ohio is now Ohio State - and we still hate Ohio State!
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Agree on Brandon||
To me, a major reason we are in this situation now - and offense with no senior leaders - is "the process". If Hoke (or whoever) had been hired a month earlier - he (they) would have had time to assess the recruiting class and possibly fill in some developmental prospect o-line types.
That recruiting class was critical to the transition - it was obviously flagging as the sharks circled Rodriguez. Doing things the Michigan Way - so Brady (or Harbaugh if you believe they were serious about offering him) could finish their bowl game - is hurting these players in a big way now.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Not to mention||
he is still saddled with Michigan Man approved position coaches who conform to the plan even if they can't coach the detailed technique to support it.
I agree, I am questioning Nuss - he looks worse than Al in points scored at this point - but how much of that is the Scott Shaefer situation all over again.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I think the split in the locker room is this||
The defense up to this point has improved, and has been looking to be pretty strong. Brady and his defensive coaching staff are good at developing defensive talent.
The offense is mired by a system designed for 4th and 5th year seniors executing to perfection - at least on the line. In Bo's Lasting Lessons, there is a passage on Bo insisting on exact splits and execution in practice. He measures with a yard stick and whack's the guy who is off by a fraction of an inch. Does anybody here think Brady Hokes offensive staff is able to instill that level of detail in our players?
Then there is overall detail management: the delay of game penalty just before the half of the Miami (NTM) game, the 10 players of the field put formation fiasco, and no one realizing Shane couldn't stand up fiasco yesterday are all examples of detail management. If you are a head coach and you are not the offensive decision maker, or the defensive decision maker, you should at least be aware of how many players are on the field, how much time is on the clock, and whether someone is hurt.
You know what - I'd bet someone yelled into the headset - the play clock is about to expire, or we only have 10 guys on the field, or Shane's hurt - looks like he got clocked. But the kid who stands near Brady with the headset couldn't relay the message in time. Brady Hoke looks clueless on the field in these losses because he doesn't know what is going on in time to react to it. He coaches after the play is over.
I am calm - I wasn't even angry yesterday. I have seen enough to know that Brady Hoke isn't Bo, he isn't Mo, and he isn't Lloyd Carr. Michigan Man or not, it is apparent to me that he is increasingly failing as Michigan's head coach.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Actually, I sort of agree with the OP here||
Since Hoke has been here, there has been increasing ineptitude on offense. Whether it is due to youth. small mistakes, execution, or play calling, or all four, it doesn't matter. The quarterbacks in particular, the running back, and the wide receivers are getting killed out there - week in and week out. This year, and last.
To some extent, we were pissed about Gardner getting killed all last season, and poor damned Toussant. We aimed (maybe misguidedly) our frustration at Borges and Funk. We got Borges' head and thought we'd be better with Nuss.
Now it is just obvious that the real problem is in a management system where the head coach meets with the OC twice a week, whether they need to our not - and while that seems hands off - remains loyal to his position coaches and sets an overall strategy for the offense that is simply not attainable with the young personnel on hand. Hoke does not recognize the need, nor either direct or agree to the changes necessary to enable this set of offensive players to be successful.
If for nothing else, I think the entire offensive coaching staff (at the very least the tight end coach and the line coach) and Hoke should be gone for fielding an offense that puts the players they purport to care bout in extreme danger week in and week out.
FWIW - having Nuss on the field is not working. We need a QB coach and an OC. Rich Rod had McGee in the box to read the opposing teams defense, recognize down and distance, sense momentum, and call plays. Rich - with his headset on - sent those plays and checks in and added his sense or quick checks. Smith was on the field to coach up the QBs as they came off based on what was sent down from the box. Shane may have been pulled if there had been a decision maker in the box. Of course that would depend on Brady Hokes headphone GA getting the message to Brady Hoke fast enough to get him out.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Hi chitownblue!||
I've missed you buddy!
So much I double posted ...
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Hi chitownblue!||
I've missed you buddy!
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Does anybody think Lee Corso||
is crazy now?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I can hear||
"Fire Dave Brandon" on the TV
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Can I go back||
and pick my score for the tshirt in the opposite direction?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Their stadium is full||
and people are happy and rockin'
ugh - just ugh
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Indiana beat Mizzou||
Maryland almost beat WVU who hung tough with Alabama.
Are you so sure these teams are the pushovers you think they are?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Yep, we masses||
can just sit down and shut up now. Ain't nothing going to change.
|4 weeks 59 min ago||Aaaand the bus has broken down twice||
in miserable places very early in this this journey so far.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||It would be interesting to know what side of this Stephen Ross||
is on. Not to mention the other big donors like Al Glick, J. Ira and Nicki Harris, etc. Concerns could be anything from "if we change Brandon, we're more likely to change Hoke, and thus add to transition time", to the players and fans have decided that Brandon has strayed too far from the moral philosophy and values of Michigan football culture, and if you don't let him go and find someone to bring everyone back into the fold, you are likely to have a huge expense on your hands down on State Street as the revenues decline.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||I am thinking there was Wisconsin Muppets||
|4 weeks 21 hours ago||My view is the odds makers are missing something||
Like which team displayed more derpitude completing 1 of 7, or ony scoring 3 pts offensively? This will most likely be a low scoring sloppy affair.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Actually, there was||
a holier than thow incident with Martin, and then - even if Rich was a great hire at the time - Martin botched transition communications (albeit, so did Rodriguez).
I'd give Martin a B-. He did wonderful things including financing the stadium updates, and hiring Belein. He blew it at the end though.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Or - they'll take the tickets||
when they buy the Coke they came in for anyway, and post em up on craigslist and if they don't sell toss 'em in the trash.
It will be interesting to see if the NW endzone is any more full this weekend with Coke ticket holders. (They are down to $22 on stubhub. You can get Penn State tickets for face value.)
Brandon needs to go. He put the free range golden goose in a battery cage and has pretty much worn it out.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||PurpleStuff - I edited my comment before posting to||
include the "OK - you're right" part to mellow what I was saying because your first comment seemed dripping with sarcasm, and your response to me was confusing (sarcasm meter was foggy I guess).
I went ahead and posted the response anyway for the general apologist audience thinking the o-line is young and there is nothing to be done / next year will be better. This staff is out of excuses in my mind. I really hope they turn the corner on the field but most the indicators point in a horrifying direction.
I am equally as despondent.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||OK - you're right - Molk was a Carr recruit||
He also was a starter as a redshirt sophomore (and Lewan was a redshirt freshman when he started getting playing time) - so why aren't our current big tough smash mouth redshirt sophomores recruited by Hoke and company performing well enough?
Rodriguez could develop young O-Linemen. Why can't Hoke?
|4 weeks 1 day ago||If he can't plant his left foot to pass||
how the hell can he effectively run a pass route and jump up for a ball?
|4 weeks 1 day ago||You forgot Molk||
How could you?!?
This is what cracks me up about this whole thing (or pisses me off - I flip back and forth).
The backroom (including that pompous ass Jim Stapleton) aligned to fire Rodriguez in bring in Hoke (and only Hoke), because Rodriguez wasn't playing tough smash mouth B1G football. A large part of the reason we have the roster holes we do is the backroom either directly, or through very loud lack of support, torpedoed Rodriguez's ability to recruit. Now we are four games into year three of anti-smash mouth football on the field of play.
Last week's game and ND were both unwatchable: the offense SUUUUCCKKKED.
I want to believe like Mattison and the players are asking us to, but I am not seeing it for offense in results on the field ... you sort of need to get to the red zone and score points to win.
Think on this: In year one of the Rodriguez regime, a Threetsheridamit lead offense scored 37 more points against Utah and ND with a noob O-Line (less collective starts than our current line by far). Sure ND was worse, but Utah was better. Can anybody think of a historically worse offense than 2008?
|4 weeks 1 day ago||20-14 Michigan||
Little Brown Jug stays home.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah - we tried that||
Denard's last year. If DG was the backup instead of a WR, then we still loose to Bama and the Irish, but we win Nebraska and end up in the BTCG.
No, just no.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Who is talking about this HARBOUGH guy?||
We're all talking about Jim Harbaugh ... the other guy who is being paid a bunch of money to coach NFL football and who's family live like royalty in sunny Palo Alto, and loves it. (It is not permacloud gray and cold from November to April out there - really.)
I think John is more likely than Jim, and neither is very likely (nor is Les). Also, if the Regents could just fire Dave Brandon, I'd be fine letting the season play out before deciding on Hoke and staff since Mattison and the players so strongly believe things will get better.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I agree with Marcus Ray||
They are improving, but I think it is still an O-line problem. This year's line problem appears to me to be the outside. My sense watching both ND and Utah is pressure on the outside is killing either quarterback's ability to go through a full progression and they end up either have to force or rollout or both. When the line tries to compensate and help outside, then the pressure gets through inside.
Net - those two NFL tackles the appologists were saying were not very important last year, and this year would be better because the more important interior line will had aged were drinking strong cool-aid.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||While we're at it||
where is the Mike Hart, Terrence Taylor, Molk-Martin-and-van-Bergen, or Jim Harbaugh stepping up to will the team forward? No where. We don't have captains.
This team was tougher in '11 and to some extent in '12 where they believed in each other, and they fought through adversity. (Jim Stapleton is wrong.) Then - except for a few games - they became mush.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||These things seem to happen in the midst of storms||
snowstorms, and hurricanes and such. So a post Notre Dame storm baby eh?
|4 weeks 4 days ago||OK - does he||
Shield punt or pro style punt? (I looked for images on this but didn't find any. The underlying question is: how open is he to evolving with the game?)
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Brandon went sailing||
He purposefully dragged his feet on Harbaugh. Hoke was the target all the way through. Harbaugh and Miles were head fakes to appease certain parts of the inner circle and fan base and ease Hoke in.
Realistically though, Harbaugh needed his time in the NFL: enough time to discover he's not the boss and it is a pain in the ass to manage prima donnas.
Also at this point, we'd really need to do some serious investigation on the other Harbaugh to figure out when exactly the Rice video was available to him.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||You forgot||
not allowing coolers or food within a 20 block radius of the big house, and setting up "M Tailgating Tents" instead that do not serve alcohol, and charge $20 a plate for Chili's baby back ribs or Five Guys burgers.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Brandon didn't fire Rodriguez aftre Penn State||
He for damned sure won't fire his own Michigan Man hire now.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Good luck with that||
Contrary to popular opinion, Maryland and Rutgers both appear to have pulses.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Happy Monday||
to you too ...
|4 weeks 5 days ago||That was before Gardner||
was beaten resulting in the current hollow PTSD Gardner.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Doesn't seem in Hoke's wheelhouse||
Now Brandon however, somewhere in his marketing staff is the "what are they saying on blogs" person. And in that person's desk is an untraceable throwaway cell phone. If Brandon gives the nod the staffer calls a number and says "mgoblog" which launches a denial of service attack ...
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah - when they ask about shield punting||
the lack of execution by not having 11 men on the field will be the way he redirects the question.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Holy shit||
This was really well written, and I think the This is Michigan Football section is spot on. I am assuming they have sold more than 100,000 tickets per game so the attendance record will stand, but I am guessing 100,000 seats have not been filled yet this year, and they have to be feeling it in game day sales already.
The funny thing is, it seems like a lot of us are waking up and realizing that maybe keeping Rich Rod may have worked out better. heck at this stage, I am wondering if we should have kept Borges. They are both probably laughing today.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||I was thinking about that||
and it may be interesting to look back at MSU's early season stats to see if their offense acted in the same erratic way - putting up the yards but never getting to the red zone.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||No - the Item just did||
what ND did ... attack on the young edges. (Remember those two NFL tackles? At the very least they provided some confidence in protection. If you were a DC where would you attack this year?)
ND established the blueprint for this season and everyone in the Big now knows how to beat Michigan.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||If they stay, and DB||
doesn't dig us another recruiting class hole with another process
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Somewhere between depression||
and acceptance. I got more entertainment watching IU football than I did Michigan football today.
this is Michigan ?!?!?!?!?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Serious question||
and I recall Rodriguez supporters facing the same question:
At what point do you stop supporting Hoke / admit this coaching staff is done.
When we fired Rich Rod, we whiffed on Harbaugh. When Lloyd retired Les Miles was coming to Michigan - then not - and we were to choice three or four when we hired Rodriguez. Sure fire replacements are never a sure thing.
So when is enough, enough?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Sounds like fans didn't like||
the run call.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Oh look||
Utah has captains - guys who lead ...
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Woooooooo!||
Frank gets HOME!
|5 weeks 20 hours ago||You mean there are Walmart Spartans?||
or are they Dollar General?
Please note: this is a humorous comment made at the expense of the Walmart Wolverine complainin' and jokin' crowd at MSU, not at the socioeconomic status of an appreciated and welcome part of any school's fanbase. That form of humor is reserved only for Buckeye fans.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Yes, as Patrick O'Brian||
instructs us through Captain Aubrey to Dr. Martin, you cannot sail by and large at the same time ...
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah - thanks to the BTN||
I didn't have to unsee that game too - just the blcoked field goal, over and over and over again.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Well this could be interesting||
Next man up I guess.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah - if it is Akron/UConn 2.0||
oh man, rig for high winds and heavy seas.
But if it is 2014 App State - well we still don't know a damned thing.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||I believe his W/L record||
is a major reason people like me, and Brian, and others were underwhelmed when Hoke was hired.
So I disagree - I think it is relevant.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Does the pep band still go around||
and play bullwinkle? (I don't remember them doing this during the Nebraska game last year, but I might have blocked it out.)
No TP, marshmallows and thermoses of hot chocolate and pepermint schnapps (or kegs before us) ... what do you guys do for fun these days? A least beach balls are still smuggled in ...
Have you taught the freshmen how to do the wave yet?
|6 weeks 23 hours ago||Gardner has to learn||
that everytime his adrenaline gets up because of PTSD from last year, he has to keep his head and not go all Superman. Forcing it creates extra risk.
Hopefully the next few homes games gives him enough time in system, with Nuss on the sideline to grow.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Keep in mind the Center calls||
the assignments for the line. Sometimes the strongest man isn't the best man for the performance of the entire unit.
If the coaches think Miller gives them the quick thinking they need for the line to function best as a team and as a bonus the quick feet for zone run blocking - then maybe we need to wait and see how they develop.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I wish just one reporter had asked||
what the hell was that? Wha happened? No angling for a QB controversy, or a center controversy, or how did Jake Butt feel. Just: please explain how you guys managed to lay such a big goose egg?
No one has asked, and the coaches have been very circumspect.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I used to listen to Carr's||
press conferences. He said absolutely nothing as well, except calling out the effort of some unsing player in prior games. After a while I decided it was a waste of time, but then I figured the entertainment value of listening for Carr to make some poor reporter look really dumb.
There is not real entertainment value in Hoke's conferences - the bullets are all you really need.
FWIW - Miller is staying in. Glasgow is practicing at Center as a backup.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Don't feel singled out||
Brian left out my Admiral of the Fleet David Beatty "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" Jutland reference to how Delany must've felt Saturday night too.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Sorry - I have to laugh||
we are like a dog that chews on a bone, and then moves on to the next unchewed one over and over again and get the same result.
The system recruits talent still, but for some reason the system inhibits the talent from being fully recognized.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I thought about it||
but even though it is OTC now, there is not enough Nexium in the world to allow me to go through that again. Especially the 2nd half.
I do remember in the game thinking, hey - the line is holding up OK-ish. Hey, our runners are getting some yards - Smith more than Green. Devin looked good for the first third before PTSD set in. We were stuffing ND at the line, and Frank was oh so close several times, but Gohlson was a slippery bugger with a quick release (fortunately not Denard slippery). The line backer less Morgan even seem to have improved from App State.
I am going to assume with a new long snapper, holder and newish kicker it takes a while (and patience) to settle in.
For some reason this feels like year one of real quarterback coaching since Rod Smith was let go - and even then Rodriguez was calling in the adjustments from the sidelines - so I'll assume Devin settles his nerves and improves the post snap progressions part of his job.
Yeah - the egg laying of the vaunted deep seasoned aggressive secondary was the root of the Nexium popping for me ... that and having to listen to the Irish announcers and their fans - ugh. (I wonder if they have done a Benny Hill video montage yet.)
Anyway, I have recovered from the emo weekend, and now am in a place where I am hoping for pleasant surprises moving forward.