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|2 hours 56 min ago||Maybe even less than five||
Maybe even less than five years. I'd guess that USC, if they want to form a lacrosse team, isn't just going to put one out there - they'd have no conference to logically join now that the ECAC is poof, and they'd have a bitch of a time as the only independent that far out. If they take the leap, I'd bet it's because they've gotten word from five other ADs that they want a team too and will have one within a few short years, so they can have an insta-conference.
|3 hours 1 min ago||I'm curious where you're||
I'm curious where you're getting your data. I would have to dispute quite a bit of what you say. First, I don't think just going to an ACC program is proof of being "ACC material." As with the UVA roster, often these guys are practice fodder getting an education at a school they like, and sometimes they've left the state for prep school. Example: UNC's lone Virginian is Brent Armstrong, and he went to a prep school in Maryland. And he's a third-string FOGO.
The four programs you mentioned (I know they're just examples) have, among them, 12 Virginians on their roster (and Bellarmine none.) That's among four classes, so these schools, who are very low on the totem pole, average one Virginian per year not even counting Bellarmine.
These aren't the kind of numbers that can support a new program. VT would have to do like everyone else: recruit in PA, MD, NJ, NY, and so on. I would guess that maybe two to three recruits every four years come from the state of Virginia that are truly ACC/Ivy material - i.e. a regular player and not a third-string FOGO with a winning percentage of .310. I don't think VT would find a dozen Virginians a year. They might find two or three, and the guys we're talking about are guys who can't crack the lineup full-time at Mercer.
|8 hours 6 min ago||If I had to pick the next||
If I had to pick the next school to add lacrosse I'd go with USC. But if I could say where the next new program would come from in more general terms, I'd say another small, non-FBS school either in the South Atlantic (NC, SC, GA) or Northeast (MA, CT, NJ).
|8 hours 11 min ago||That's barely one player per||
That's barely one player per three teams, and like I said, the ones that sign aren't contributors for the most part. And honestly, I don't think VT would even get to handpick those players. Players coming from top private schools want to go to top colleges and would be at least as likely to pick a college like Georgetown or Dartmouth.
Let's be honest: if Virginia were a place you could find good lacrosse players, they would've shown up on the UVA roster at some point now or in the past. They don't.
|11 hours 13 min ago||20 years from now: "Haha,||
20 years from now:
"Haha, you're so disabled."
"Stop using the D-word, it's hurtful."
|23 hours 37 min ago||I'm honestly astounded with||
I'm honestly astounded with myself that the one program that would've made my point better than any other did not come to mind in front of Union and Hobart.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Here's my||
Here's my totally unanswerable rhetorical question to that: Above it was established that there's probably a line somewhere, and that D-III softball is clearly on one side of it but FBS football is clearly on the other. Different sets of rules.
What about semi-revenue sports like baseball? It's really big business at a place like Ole Miss or LSU. It's a main driver at a place like Cal State Fullerton, where it probably supports a sport or two. It's nothing at all to an Eastern Michigan, which plays it, but very badly. (Or if you prefer, Purdue, which is a big-business school but plays baseball even worse.) Or, what about a place like Hobart or Union, which play big-boy lacrosse or hockey but their football teams (if they exist - I have no idea) are nonscholarship?
Short version: at some places, the dolla dolla bills are flying and at some places they're not - but in real life, the value of, say, an electrician is not appreciably different whether they work for GE or Joe's Local Electric Fix-It - especially if both belong to a union.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Oh, I dunno. I've been||
Oh, I dunno. I've been disagreeing with Brian on this issue fairly frequently and have never been called an idiot (for that, anyway.) I suppose that's the difference between stating one's grounds for disagreement in an argument of sorts, and just saying "what an arrogant opinion.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Actually I think it's||
Actually I think it's precisely the opposite. If you separate the different athletes into different unions with different CBAs, the schools will just impose a CBA on the wrestlers and swimmers and such. "What are you gonna do, not swim? Oooo, real scary. We'll be over here giving your money to the football players; let us know when you come to your senses." The only schools that would ever give into any demands from swimmers that they didn't already want to, would be schools like Stanford that had some shred of reputation to protect in the sport.
On the other hand, if all athletes were lumped into the same union and the same CBA, the swimmers would be able to tap into the leverage that the football players have. Plus they would be able to balance out the demands. If they were separate, football players could theoretically say, "Give us $100K a year or we walk" and the school would have to find ways to accommodate, potentially by cutting the swim program. If negotiating together, the union's position of "Give the football players $100K a year or they walk" would have to be run through the swimmers and wrestlers first, and they wouldn't be easily sold on it.
In short, in order for the school to have any incentive to address the concerns of swimmers and wrestlers (and so on) the swimmers have to have some kind of power first, and they can really only get it by teaming up with the football and basketball players. Whether the football and basketball players will let them is another story.
|1 day 2 hours ago||It isn't that "football||
I include this mainly because that's basically what Brian has argued in the past, and because the vibe I got from his sarcasm was that his answer to the question "is a rower at Harvard an exploited laborer?" is "no, because they don't bring in revenue or profit."
|1 day 4 hours ago||Athletes get fired all the||
Alabama doing it isn't really the same thing as seeing it happen all the time. Saban is a dick and we acknowledge this - that's not equivalent to a system-wide flaw that people are pretending doesn't exist.
Also, I don't think the questions posed by Sally Jenkins are "unanswerable questions" - they're questions that'll have to be answered by the process as it moves forward, and how those questions get answered will determine the quality of the eventual future. I think we've already established, for example, that the idea that "football players are employees because they work for a profitable business" is bunker than bunk. At least around these parts.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Quality of club team isn't||
Quality of club team isn't much of a determining factor. Marquette always had a pretty weak MCLA squad.
Besides, Texas has a pretty solid MCLA team. "Complete garbage" isn't how I'd describe the very good winning records they've had, going back for a while.
|2 days 5 hours ago||To that I would argue: the||
To that I would argue: the Pistons' problem is chemistry, not talent. Nobody would argue that Monroe, Drummond, Smith, Jennings, etc. aren't very, very good at what they do. The problem is they can't do what they do, because the mix is bad. Too many players trying to do the same thing, and it forces some of them into doing what they're not good at. That problem isn't helped by taking someone who at best is only as good as the players they already have and plays the same position.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Solid write-up. Some more||
Solid write-up. Some more thoughts to add:
-- Sparty would probably have a ready-made coach to hire, as UDM's Matt Holtz is a Sparty grad and spent a lot of time with MSU's club program. He's done a pretty good job at UDM, at a place where it ought to be damn near impossible to recruit talent to. As a UDM alum (grad school) I'd rather not see MSU start up a team, for this reason.
-- BC alums really want a lacrosse team and many would probably happily sacrifice the baseball team to do it.
-- As for VT, they do have a women's team and so would face fewer start-up obstacles, but the state of Virginia is the opposite of a fertile recruiting ground. UVA has seven players out of 42 coming from in-state. One is a very, very lightly used SSDM who redshirted last season; one is a coach's son and therefore only from VA literally because UVA is in Virginia; the rest are practice fodder getting a good education at instate prices, and who would probably be playing D-III (or A-Sun at best) if they were in school for the sake of playing time. UVA doesn't do any meaningful recruiting instate and most blue-bloods never set foot in VA to recruit. UNC and Duke have a player each, neither of whom are actual contributors. Virginia players are at best sprinkled around the mid-majors and the ranks of the lower divisions.
Point being, BC could start a program by siphoning off some of the decent players in instate private schools; VT cannot.
I don't see Michigan at the vanguard of a major-program expansion into lacrosse; I think whatever expansion there is will be from schools without football teams, which has been the trend the last three years. The only exception: super-filthy-rich programs like Texas.
|2 days 6 hours ago||The Pistons are the||
The Pistons are the second-worst team in the league at three-point shooting and it's not just because of Smith.... almost the whole team is balls at shooting threes. Stuckey definitely can't. Jennings is middling at best and usually worse than average. Neither McDermott nor Stauskas would do anything for this team's piss-poor defense but you can't fix every problem with just one player, and those two would certainly fix the shooting. I don't like Ford's BPA approach because that can sometimes create just as many problems as it solves in basketball, if you load up one position too much.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Yes, Georgetown.....a couple||
Yes, Georgetown.....a couple years ago when the Nike overlords decided that gray uniforms would be The New Trend, Syracuse got on board with it and it went over like a fart in church with their fans because they hate Georgetown.
And yes, Boise State definitely comes to mind too, though it helps they share colors with Syracuse for the most part.
|3 days 1 hour ago||Ah, Syracuse: still one of||
Ah, Syracuse: still one of the all-time contenders in Own Fan Trolling - because when the colors of your biggest rivals are gray and blue, a gray uniform is exactly the thing to make everyone happy.
Also, those things suck shit.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Honestly, my absolute||
Honestly, my absolute favorite uniform in all of college football outside of ours is Washington's purple jerseys with gold pants and helmets. Stunning combo. And yeah, the block numbers please - the #1 thing that makes a football uniform ugly is ugly numbers.
But nope: gotta have sicccckkkkkkk black unis because INTIMIDATION.
|3 days 5 hours ago||Yeah, but I don't trust those||
Yeah, but I don't trust those inflated ticket-sales counts.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Of which there were exactly||
Of which there were exactly six in all of the major leagues last year, with minimum 400 PAs. Nine were above .260. Where do you propose to find such a catcher?
|5 days 4 hours ago||I'm fine with my soccer||
I'm fine with my soccer history, thanks. I'm not the one contradicting myself by pumping up "David vs. Goliath" matches and then claiming there really aren't any.
|5 days 4 hours ago||Wow, so today is Michigan's||
Wow, so today is Michigan's MAAR-di Gras.
|5 days 7 hours ago||Whether in favor or not, any||
Whether in favor or not, any argument that refers to the NBA rule in terms of compulsory college is obviously off base. The NBA has no real interest in college or whether you go overseas. The point of the rule is the same as any rule requiring a degree of some kind (I know that sounds weird given what I just said but bear with me.) The idea is to increase the chances that all applicants for the job are qualified for it, not to ensure every qualified applicant has a chance at the job. That's a principle that exists in any job search you can think of, so anyone calling the age limit un-American misses the point completely. And the age limit is to give the league more time to evaluate and make sure that its draftees are qualified so they don't wind up babysitting a bunch of people that aren't. What company in the world doesn't do that?
|5 days 20 hours ago||Name one outside of||
You had to be 15 to be a lifeguard where I worked.
|6 days 5 hours ago||A, chill, and B, compare how||
A, chill, and B, compare how often huge underdogs win in soccer vs. how often they win in the NCAAs. Put North Korea or Trinidad and Tobago into the World Cup and the very predictable happens. The US beating England 64 years ago does not disprove the point.
|6 days 21 hours ago||I would agree if they'd kept||
I would agree if they'd kept the knockout stage at 8 teams. Pool play would've been blah, any groups of death would've been significantly watered down from before, but it would've spread out all the powerhouses and given us a better chance of seeing a really interesting knockout. But they bumped it to 16 teams. Now pool play is still kind of blah because they're still watered down, and plus goal differential now matters so any remotely minnowish team that happens to qualify is going to get totally steamrolled three times so that the third-place team can assure itself of qualifying.
Besides, David vs. Goliath in international soccer is nothing like it is in the NCAAs. The talent difference is far wider. David gets stomped every time.
|1 week 2 hours ago||Kicking and Screaming is||
Kicking and Screaming is definitely "Will Ferrell does a Will Ferrell movie but for kids" but the scene where they climb out of the butcher's truck is one of the funniest things in all of cinema.
|1 week 3 hours ago||If you come across one of||
If you come across one of those assholes who likes to post in threads just to say how much he hates the subject matter and maybe as a bonus troll the people who do like it, you could follow my simple one step process:
Step 1: Downvote.
- The end, unfortunately, because you only get one downvote per post.
|1 week 3 hours ago||Top Euro leagues: Premier||
Top Euro leagues: Premier League (England), La Liga (Spain), Serie A (Italy), Bundesliga (Germany.) In that order? Kinda.
France, the Netherlands, Russia, Portugal, not really in that order, would be some of the national club leagues in the next tier.
There is only one official "league" where clubs from the various leagues play each other and that is the Champions' League. Each league gets a certain number of clubs that participate based on their "coefficient" which is UEFA's power ranking, essentially. Some countries send only their champion, some send as many as their top four, or numbers in between. The Champions' League basically crowns the champion of champions.
The game you'll see at Michigan Stadium is just an exhibition, however.
|1 week 7 hours ago||Prediction for two years from||
Prediction for two years from now: We get a lot more money from whichever apparel company we choose and some people bitch if it's Nike and other people bitch if it's adidas.