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|9 hours 35 min ago||Hah. First of all, it was a||
Hah. First of all, it was a joke. Second, if you think my "objectification of women" is bad, you should get to know some coaches sometime. I spend at least six days a week with them. I knew/know coaches who cheat on their wives, drink and drive, do illicit drugs, hit their players, verbally abuse their players, etc. You're going to have a very small pool of coaches to choose from if you want perfect angels in every aspect of their lives.
|10 hours 22 min ago||Agreed.||
|10 hours 38 min ago||Agreed. Sometimes it takes a||
Agreed. Sometimes it takes a situation like this for protocols to be put into place. I would be surprised if this situation does not force other programs to review how they would handle similar situations. I doubt athletic directors around the country are saying, "Well, um, we're just going to count on the coaches to see hard hits. Next up? Uniformz!"
|10 hours 41 min ago||What I asked was "Do you know||
What I asked was "Do you know there was a head injury?"
You didn't. Nobody (fans, anyway) knew until last night. That's not nit-picking. You were making an assumption. It happened to be that you were right, but even Brandon's statement says that it took multiple evaluations to reach that conclusion.
|10 hours 43 min ago||It's entirely possible that||
It's entirely possible that he didn't see the hit. You can't watch all 22 football players on the field at all times, and the ball was away and gone. Cockran was flagged for the late hit, which supports the idea that someone may have moved his eyes away from the QB and followed the flight of the ball. That's why there's a referee stationed in the backfield to watch for things like that.
|10 hours 47 min ago||On the contrary, there's||
On the contrary, there's nothing to backtrack from. At no point have I reached any sweeping conclusions about the topic. The main thrust of what I've been saying is that "We don't know exactly what happened, and there are multiple possible explanations."
|10 hours 51 min ago||You continue to misrepresent||
You continue to misrepresent what I said.
I have nothing further to say to you about the subject.
|10 hours 55 min ago||Just like many things,||
Just like many things, westwardwolverine is making things up. I have never, ever, ever said that Shane Morris did not get hit in the head. What I said was that he got hit in the lower part of the facemask, but that the majority of the blow was to the upper chest/shoulder area. The freeze frame posted in this thread supports that.
Again, I have NEVER said that he didn't take a hit to the head/helmet.
|23 hours 19 min ago||I'm going to watch the game.||
I'm going to watch the game. Because I'm not a whiny pansy like so many other Michigan fans. This is the team and the program that I root for. Not just when they're winning or when they're playing the music in the stadium that I like.
Too many fair-weather fans in the world...
|1 day 8 hours ago||But the video doesn't prove||
But the video doesn't prove me wrong. If you watch the Youtube clip (and not the gif on the front page), you'll see.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Maybe if you throw in a few||
Maybe if you throw in a few more f-bombs, you might get me to do what you want.
|1 day 8 hours ago||"The helmet, does not mostly||
"The helmet, does not mostly or really in anyway hit Morris in the chest which is what we were talking about."
...except it does. So there's that.
|1 day 9 hours ago||The difference might be the||
The difference might be the person you're interpreting as the "ref." I believe Hoke said that the actual Referee wouldn't allow Michigan to get an injury timeout. He then said the Line Judge offered him an injury timeout.
Of course, there's always the chance to use a team timeout, but obviously Hoke didn't want to burn one at that point.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Isn't that the issue, though?||
Isn't that the issue, though? It's not worth all this discussion if he's out there on a bum ankle. Plenty of people have tried to play on gimpy ankles. The big issue that's causing such a ruckus is the head thing.
If you want to insist that this would be such a big story if the limp is the only potential issue, then I think you're very misguided.
|1 day 9 hours ago||"Please shut the fuck up you||
"Please shut the fuck up you embarrassment."
It's nice to see that you're so rational.
|1 day 9 hours ago||WTF?||
Did you not see where I said that the helmet slammed "mostly into his chest"? I have acknowledged elsewhere in this same comment stream that it hit him in the bottom of his facemask, but most of the force ended up on Morris's shoulder/chest.
|1 day 11 hours ago||It's called sarcasm. The||
It's called sarcasm. The point is that play isn't going to be stopped and/or the trainers aren't going to check every time there's a hard hit.
|1 day 11 hours ago||And did you see on the play||
And did you see on the play where he returned that he was limping so badly that he could barely hand off the ball?
|1 day 11 hours ago||Sure, I've seen the play.||
Sure, I've seen the play. Numerous times. You should have noticed that the helmet hits the bottom of Morris's facemask and then makes very solid contact with his chest.
|1 day 11 hours ago||You must have missed the part||
You must have missed the part where the helmet slammed mostly into his chest.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Interesting. So you can||
Interesting. So you can "prove" he had a head injury by watching him on the field?
And we're the idiots?
|1 day 12 hours ago||You also see him take and||
You also see him take and release a deep breath, like someone who got the wind knocked out of him. Isn't that also a possible explanation?
|1 day 12 hours ago||I have already commented on||
I have already commented on that in this thread.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Kansas barely beat an FCS||
Kansas barely beat an FCS team, scored 3 points combined against Texas/Duke, and beat a Thomas Rawls-less CMU team. Meanwhile, they were 3-9 in 2013 and 1-11 in 2012.
Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
|1 day 13 hours ago||I'm sorry, but did you *read*||
I'm sorry, but did you *read* the OP? It says that the trainer said "Yeah, he can go." If you want to say that the words in the OP are a lie, that's one thing. But you have to at least consider that what's being stated is the truth.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Okay. Well, I guess there||
Okay. Well, I guess there should be an injury timeout after every play so 22 trainers can rush onto the field and check every player for a concussion. Because there are about 10 collisions going on during every play that aren't focused on by the camera.
|1 day 13 hours ago||I'm not claiming there wasn't||
I'm not claiming there wasn't a head injury.
I'm claiming that I don't know. I'm also claiming that you don't know, either.
|1 day 13 hours ago||A trainer is allowed to||
A trainer is allowed to diagnose a concussion. If there is no concussion, he can be cleared to play.
Once a concussion has been diagnosed, he would need medical clearance from a doctor (presumably a neurologist) to return.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Or they knew down on the||
Or they knew down on the field that the only reason he stumbled was because of his ankle injury, which is entirely possible.
I'm not saying that IS the case. But watching it on TV doesn't tell the whole story. I've had players lay on the ground for a bit after a play. They look like they're concussed...and it turns out they got the wind knocked out of them because they landed on the football. There can be multiple explanations, and the people on the field generally have a better idea of what happened than we do.
|1 day 13 hours ago||That's an interesting take,||
That's an interesting take, considering it came from somebody who was insulting Brady Hoke's language skills...
So let me get this straight:
1. Brady Hoke uses football language you can't understand.
2. You insult him.
3. I explain it for you in a somewhat demeaning way.
4. You call me an "asshat" for being rude.
Can you find where the negativity started?