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|4 days 18 hours ago||Wait a minute...do you mean||
Wait a minute...do you mean that teams average fewer points against good teams, and more points against bad teams?!?!?!?!
|4 days 21 hours ago||I disagree about the FSU||
I disagree about the FSU cornerback. Contact off the line of scrimmage is allowed.
They may not have been trying to do the right thing, but penalties in football are not based on the playbook. If a defensive end with C-gap responsibilities dips into the B-gap, that doesn't mean he can't be illegally held or chop-blocked. The rules still apply, whether defenders are doing the right thing or not.
|4 days 22 hours ago||If you watch Fuller (#7), he||
If you watch Fuller (#7), he clearly has every intention of "blocking" the cornerback and zero intentions of running an actual pass route.
|4 days 22 hours ago||Yes - I wish he was playing||
Yes - I wish he was playing running back or maybe slot receiver at Michigan right now.
|5 days 6 min ago||"Notre Dame deserved to win||
"Notre Dame deserved to win that game, despite Jameis throwing darts the entire second half."
Except they didn't deserve to win the game. If they did, they wouldn't have committed a penalty to cost them the game.
|5 days 8 min ago||Are you perfect at your job?||
Are you perfect at your job? If you work at McDonald's, have you ever forgotten to put ketchup on a cheeseburger? If you work at a bank, have you ever forgotten to have someone authorize a check? If you work as a camp counselor, have you ever forgotten the mosquito spray when you went out for a hike?
Since you forgot the ketchup that one time, I guess McDonald's should just forget the ketchup for the rest of the day.
|5 days 12 min ago||I've seen it called numerous||
I've seen it called numerous times before. I don't think we should get on the officials' case for paying too much attention to the game/rules.
|5 days 15 hours ago||The first rule of MGoPoints||
The first rule of MGoPoints is do not talk about MGoPoints.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Take away Indiana. They're||
Take away Indiana. They're still averaging 45.5 points/game.
|5 days 16 hours ago||I disagree. There were signs||
I disagree. There were signs of problems even when Rodriguez was there, but his offense alleviated some of the issues. The NFL didn't even want to give him a shot at quarterback, and even when Hoke/Borges used him "appropriately" in college, he was often ineffective.
|5 days 16 hours ago||I wasn't the one who brought||
I wasn't the one who brought it up.
|5 days 16 hours ago||I don't think I've said that||
I don't think I've said that he was "bad."
I see what you're saying, but the context that you provide can also be extended to numerous other players. We talk about the running backs struggling, but perhaps they would have been better with more of a passing threat under center. We talk about Devin Gardner and the running backs being bad, but the OL the past two seasons has been worse than it was in 2010 with Robinson.
Is it impressive? Some of it is, yeah. Some of it isn't.
|5 days 17 hours ago||It's his third start this||
It's his third start this year.
|5 days 17 hours ago||Well, there are lots of||
Well, there are lots of things that could happen. Assuming there are no further "scandals" like the Gibbons case, the Morris incident, Stretchgate, etc., I think his return should be dependent on the rest of the year.
I think an 8-4 season (winning out) is definitely worth bringing him back. If he goes 7-5 but beats MSU and OSU, I think he should come back. If he goes 7-5 and beats OSU or MSU (but not both), then that's a gray area. Losses to both rivals would be a death knell.
I'm not ready for him to be fired yet. There are some signs of improvement. But they have to improve significantly in these last five games.
|5 days 17 hours ago||Well, MSU is averaging 47||
Well, MSU is averaging 47 points/game (#3) and giving up 21.6 points/game (#35). Overrated or not, they're winning by almost 4 touchdowns a game.
|5 days 17 hours ago||Hoke said that he expects||
Hoke said that he expects Gardner to be their QB against MSU.
|5 days 18 hours ago||None were as highly ranked,||
None were as highly ranked, but like I said, you're also giving Denard a couple games against patsies to pad his stats a bit. Gardner had no such advantage. UMass was perhaps the worst team in the country that year, so that should average out pretty well with the game against Alabama. I think South Carolina (Devin's opponent) and Michigan State (Denard's opponent) were pretty similarly ranked, defensively.
EDIT: We're never going to get an apples-to-apples comparison. They didn't play the same opponents at the same time of year, etc. But the point remains that Gardner played the QB position better than Denard in 2012. I honestly can't even believe I have to make that argument. I thought that was pretty well understood. The 2013 and 2014 seasons obviously have not reflected well on Gardner, but the distinction in 2012 is pretty obvious.
|5 days 18 hours ago||"The problem is that everyone||
"The problem is that everyone bitching about Denard as a QB fails to acknowledge everything positive he brought at the QB position."
That's hyperbole, and you know it. Everyone acknowledges that Denard was a great runner and had a great attitude.
"I know you're all about statistics in a vacuum, but context matters."
Denard played 3/8 games against ranked teams. Devin played 3/5 games against ranked teams. No, Gardner didn't play against Alabama or Michigan State, but he played some pretty solid teams. He also didn't have the advantage of playing against patsies like Air Force and UMass.
Regardless, Gardner had a better completion percentage (by 6%), a higher YPA (by 1.8 yards), more touchdowns (on 41 fewer attempts), and a higher PER (by 35 points).
|5 days 19 hours ago||I am happy for him. Where did||
I am happy for him. Where did I say I wasn't?
|5 days 19 hours ago||"I really don't get the||
"I really don't get the constant harping on Denard not being a good enough QB during his time here. He was, inarguably, exponentially better than every other QB on the roster from 2010 through 2012 (as Gardner's inconsistencies in the last two years have confirmed)."
I don't really know what your point is. Assuming he was the best QB on the roster, that doesn't change the fact that he was inconsistent. Jack Miller is the best center we have right now. Is he above reproach simply because there's nobody on the roster? Is everyone on Miami-OH's roster free from criticism simply because they're playing the best guys they have, despite being 1-7?
Also, Devin Gardner was a better quarterback than Denard Robinson was in 2012. That's what my own eyes tell me, and the numbers agree.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Well, I'm probably one of the||
Well, I'm probably one of the more vocal critics of Robinson's quarterback play. I feel your original comment was (directly or indirectly) aimed at me or people like me. I certainly miss Denard for several reasons, but I don't miss his quarterback play.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Brian often makes the point||
Brian often makes the point that Michigan's offense performed poorly in 2011. I think he's a little too harsh on Borges, but Michigan got a huge boost from its defense and running game. Fitzgerald Toussaint averaged 5.6 yards/carry and went over 1,100 yards that year. Denard threw 20 touchdowns and 15 picks. That's way too many turnovers. Michigan was #103 in interceptions thrown (16 total, 1 coming from Gardner). Denard had several good games, but any QB with 20 TD's/15 INT's is questionable.
|5 days 19 hours ago||What you are saying here||
What you are saying here doesn't really seem relevant to me. I'm not questioning your affinity for Denard. He is/was an exciting player, broke lots of records, had a great attitude, etc.
It's absolutely, 100% fair to criticize his play at the quarterback position. You're right that Michigan wasn't just one player away from having a good team. Put him at running back (instead of, say, Vincent Smith), and you would still need to find another QB, perhaps some WR talent, a whole host of defensive talent, and some better coaches.
I love Dairy Queen. But I can also recognize that it's not the best place to get a post-workout snack. Those are two separate things.
|5 days 20 hours ago||You can love him all you||
You can love him all you want. That's your prerogative.
It was a response to the person above who questioned whether people recognize his talent. It's not that simple. He was unquestionably talented, but it's also rational to think that his quarterback play left something to be desired.
|5 days 20 hours ago||Denard Robinson was a very||
Denard Robinson was a very good football player at Michigan, but he did not play the quarterback position well. He couldn't read defenses, was generally inaccurate as a passer, and he turned the ball over too much. We can say what we want about whether he was used properly or whatever - which is a separate discussion, in my opinion - but the bottom line is that he was asked to be a QB in a couple different systems, and only one of his four seasons reflected solid quarterback play (2010).
|5 days 20 hours ago||Denard started last week||
Denard started last week (against Tennessee) and a few weeks ago (against San Diego).
|5 days 21 hours ago||IIRC, he also started last||
IIRC, he also started last week.
|5 days 22 hours ago||"Reading between the lines,||
"Reading between the lines, the players didn't have a lot of good to say about the RR defensive braintrust either."
When things go so poorly, you have to question the leadership. Michigan was not exceedingly talented at the time, but they did have some decent parts. Unfortunately, the coaches couldn't figure out a way to find success for the unit on the field. Considering that Scott Shafer has had pretty decent success everywhere else he's been, it looks dumber and dumber that Rodriguez neutered him and went with the 3-3-5 in the second half of 2008.
|6 days 14 hours ago||Hoke.||
|6 days 14 hours ago||Michigan fans: fretting about||
Michigan fans: fretting about the backup defensive coordinator since 2011.