Can’t wait to hang another 3rd Place Big Ten East banner in the big house. They have those kinda banners, right? 3rd place moral victory banners? Cool, cool.
Great points. The confidence and swagger versus playing tight and walking on eggshells is exactly the reverse of the dynamics of these teams in the 90s when 8-4 Michigan would beat undefeated OSU teams under Cooper.
Not going to argue too much about the mental aspect, you may be onto something there, but the point about paying players is off the mark.
Paying players is not about motivation on game day, it's about motivation to come to Michigan in the first place. It's about building depth. Yeah, OSU wanted DPJ, but they wanted him in addition to their already stacked roster. If he didn't perform in games, they could turn to similarly talented options 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on. It's the same thing other elite programs like Clemson and Alabama do and how they get 5 stars to sign and sit behind other 5 stars instead of starting at "lesser" programs.
Purdue can sneak up on OSU and catch them unprepared and unmotivated. Michigan can't. That's the biggest difference.
Also, Rob Renes played at a time when the talent level between the two schools wasn't so disparate. I think questioning the team's drive or motivation to win is silly. I haven't seen one iota of evidence that this team is any less motivated to win than the ones that did in the 90's.
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"In fact, there is ZERO CHANCE that the coach told the kids to go out there and rip the face of Denard, or punch Lewan.. If you think he did, you are mistaken.....it would cost him his job. Both teams come to play, and this is what happens.....Denard is our bread and butter, and players try to hurt each other...EVERY SINGLE PLAY. D'Antonio is a good coach, that hates Michigan, and will overlook some of the incidents, just as he has proven to do by reinstating players with criminal arrest records."
Two things:
By overlooking these incidents, and reinstating criminals onto the team, Dantonio implicitly tells the kids to go out there and rip faces off. Hell, the defensive coordinator admitted as much.
Secondly, players don't try to hurt each other every single play. There's never an intent to harm. That's not part of the game. That's why those actions are penalties.
Historically, their program isn't much different than Purdue's. The only reason we care is because of the proximity. Do you know how much Illinois fans hate Michigan? I met a graduate once and was shocked to find out the number one game they wanted to win every year was Michigan.
I'm annoyed that we lost again to MSU, but only because it means we're not to where we need to be yet. I want to get back to the Michigan teams where MSU was just another game and we only had to worry about losing one or two games a year (of course, we always made 4 or 5 more interesting than they should have been). But Hoke's recruiting. We'll dry up their talent pipelines and we'll be back there. In the meantime, Sparty, enjoy it while it lasts.
Dennis Dixon, Brad Banks, and FREAKING Joe Germaine beg to differ. Oh, and Armanti Edwards is snickering.
Carr would have had 7-5 seasons with this talent and you know it. My point was RR was on an upward trajectory and would have figured this out and put Michigan on another plane of competition. Now we're back to where we were, only this time there's no tying for the Big 10 title and backing into a BCS bid.
That tweet might have read, "Congratulations. You got your Wayne Fontes, for what it's worth." Wayne was entertaining, a good guy, made the playoffs, and you could bet he'd get this reception if he was hired in 2009 after what the Lions have been thorough.
I'm going to stop comparing Michigan to the Lions now.
What does that even mean? Mike Martin isn't tough? Brandon Graham wasn't tough? Tate Forcier playing hurt isn't tough? Guys in prison are tough. Would a team of them win the B1G?
I, for one, am looking forward to perennial 8-4 seasons sprinkled by losses to teams Michigan should beat and wins over OSU from time to time, then getting crushed in a bowl game.
Talk about a return to Bo/Carr/Moeller. It was totally worth nuking this recruiting class to get this.
I can see how that might have been what you meant, but considering I wasn't the only one confused by your post, and reading your other posts in other threads, I can confidently conclude that while you're a poor writer and a bag of douche, you're not an idiot.
I do have a credible-seeming email in the inbox about Montana getting a big time I-A QB transfer from a "west coast kid not on the west coast," FWIW, but even if that points to Forcier no names are in it. Since Forcier has a redshirt available it would seem to make more sense for him to transfer to another D-I school, anyway.
I assume you're referring to this. If so, in the same breath Brian discounts the information and implies that the rumor is probably false. He's "reporting" nothing other than he has an email and that he doubts its content is true. It's way short of: "ZOMG! Forcier's outtahere! I'm tracking flights to Billings!"
It does seem like this is too obvious and egregious an error (if indeed, it is one, and not just a different flavor of the defense) for it to not be done for some possibly legitimate purpose.
What Brian has pointed out is that we aren't running the defense the same way as WVU did, but if I was asked to run this defense, I would start studying it as much as I could, so either GERG didn't do that and is just winging it, or there's a legitimate reason he's trying this strategy and it's just not working.
If it's the former (didn't study), he should be fired. If it's the latter, it bears more investigation. Maybe they tried having the MLB deeper and there were other, more problematic flaws exposed due to lack of talent and/or experience.
And they'd be here, if they'd qualify. He started with the disadvantage of Carr leaving him with no recruits to start with, then having a couple losing seasons to albatross his recruiting efforts. If you read this blog, you'll see these recruits are coming. He needs more time. In my mind, this is really his second year. You have to forgive him 2008.
The MSU game, the offense moved the ball fine. TOs in the red zone killed them, which are mistakes by one player, and not a problem with the scheme.
In this game, we moved the ball well in the first half. 6 possessions: the first was a 3-and-out, granted, but after that, TD, Robinson hurt, FG due to penalty, dropped KO put them at the 2, then end of half. The rest of the game, they tore it up.
My point was, the same people that were throwing out their chests when we were 5-0 are tearing the exact same team apart. And not even, this team didn't have Mike Martin.
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Can’t wait to hang another 3rd Place Big Ten East banner in the big house. They have those kinda banners, right? 3rd place moral victory banners? Cool, cool.
Great points. The confidence and swagger versus playing tight and walking on eggshells is exactly the reverse of the dynamics of these teams in the 90s when 8-4 Michigan would beat undefeated OSU teams under Cooper.
Isn't the error that he didn't put 11/32/2019 more egregious? That's what today would be if we were using the Brianorian Calendar.
Not going to argue too much about the mental aspect, you may be onto something there, but the point about paying players is off the mark.
Paying players is not about motivation on game day, it's about motivation to come to Michigan in the first place. It's about building depth. Yeah, OSU wanted DPJ, but they wanted him in addition to their already stacked roster. If he didn't perform in games, they could turn to similarly talented options 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on. It's the same thing other elite programs like Clemson and Alabama do and how they get 5 stars to sign and sit behind other 5 stars instead of starting at "lesser" programs.
Purdue can sneak up on OSU and catch them unprepared and unmotivated. Michigan can't. That's the biggest difference.
Also, Rob Renes played at a time when the talent level between the two schools wasn't so disparate. I think questioning the team's drive or motivation to win is silly. I haven't seen one iota of evidence that this team is any less motivated to win than the ones that did in the 90's.
Miles is blacklisted from Michigan, so he wasn't ever an option. You can search around for the rumors on why that is; I'm not going to post them here.
Brian, why do you hate capitalism?
The fact that you believe that says a lot about how much you’re actually paying attention.
What in the world did that Mensa candidate mean by that, exactly?
How do you specify that your donation is for Michigan? Do you put "Michigan" in the "I want my donation to be dedicated" box?
I'm donating $27.24. JT was short.
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On your 8th national title. Only 3 more and you catch Michigan. Go blue!
"In fact, there is ZERO CHANCE that the coach told the kids to go out there and rip the face of Denard, or punch Lewan.. If you think he did, you are mistaken.....it would cost him his job. Both teams come to play, and this is what happens.....Denard is our bread and butter, and players try to hurt each other...EVERY SINGLE PLAY. D'Antonio is a good coach, that hates Michigan, and will overlook some of the incidents, just as he has proven to do by reinstating players with criminal arrest records."
Two things:
By overlooking these incidents, and reinstating criminals onto the team, Dantonio implicitly tells the kids to go out there and rip faces off. Hell, the defensive coordinator admitted as much.
Secondly, players don't try to hurt each other every single play. There's never an intent to harm. That's not part of the game. That's why those actions are penalties.
I thought the same exact thing when I saw it.
Good thing Auburn didn't run into a good defense last year to shut down their gimmick offense.
Better shut it down, kid. Your ignorance is showing.
Historically, their program isn't much different than Purdue's. The only reason we care is because of the proximity. Do you know how much Illinois fans hate Michigan? I met a graduate once and was shocked to find out the number one game they wanted to win every year was Michigan.
I'm annoyed that we lost again to MSU, but only because it means we're not to where we need to be yet. I want to get back to the Michigan teams where MSU was just another game and we only had to worry about losing one or two games a year (of course, we always made 4 or 5 more interesting than they should have been). But Hoke's recruiting. We'll dry up their talent pipelines and we'll be back there. In the meantime, Sparty, enjoy it while it lasts.
Can someone explain the relevance of either Nealon or Nietzsche on this post? What's the joke?
Where's the countdown to the SI article? Just over 28 hours to go...
FML.
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18/40, 168 yards, 1 TD, and 4 picks.
Funnyman.
By that last Big Ten title in 1986.
Dennis Dixon, Brad Banks, and FREAKING Joe Germaine beg to differ. Oh, and Armanti Edwards is snickering.
Carr would have had 7-5 seasons with this talent and you know it. My point was RR was on an upward trajectory and would have figured this out and put Michigan on another plane of competition. Now we're back to where we were, only this time there's no tying for the Big 10 title and backing into a BCS bid.
That tweet might have read, "Congratulations. You got your Wayne Fontes, for what it's worth." Wayne was entertaining, a good guy, made the playoffs, and you could bet he'd get this reception if he was hired in 2009 after what the Lions have been thorough.
I'm going to stop comparing Michigan to the Lions now.
What does that even mean? Mike Martin isn't tough? Brandon Graham wasn't tough? Tate Forcier playing hurt isn't tough? Guys in prison are tough. Would a team of them win the B1G?
I, for one, am looking forward to perennial 8-4 seasons sprinkled by losses to teams Michigan should beat and wins over OSU from time to time, then getting crushed in a bowl game.
Talk about a return to Bo/Carr/Moeller. It was totally worth nuking this recruiting class to get this.
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He should change his name to Kurtz.
I can see how that might have been what you meant, but considering I wasn't the only one confused by your post, and reading your other posts in other threads, I can confidently conclude that while you're a poor writer and a bag of douche, you're not an idiot.
I assume you're referring to this. If so, in the same breath Brian discounts the information and implies that the rumor is probably false. He's "reporting" nothing other than he has an email and that he doubts its content is true. It's way short of: "ZOMG! Forcier's outtahere! I'm tracking flights to Billings!"
I, for one, have never seen Section 1 and Superman in the same room at the same time.
Because I hate threads like this, and commenting on it just makes it float towards the top and get more exposure.
I hate facts too! RABBLE RABBLE FIRE RR!
What a lunatic.
It does seem like this is too obvious and egregious an error (if indeed, it is one, and not just a different flavor of the defense) for it to not be done for some possibly legitimate purpose.
What Brian has pointed out is that we aren't running the defense the same way as WVU did, but if I was asked to run this defense, I would start studying it as much as I could, so either GERG didn't do that and is just winging it, or there's a legitimate reason he's trying this strategy and it's just not working.
If it's the former (didn't study), he should be fired. If it's the latter, it bears more investigation. Maybe they tried having the MLB deeper and there were other, more problematic flaws exposed due to lack of talent and/or experience.
I guess the 2nd national ranking is just a fluke.
If I pick out some data points and make a flippant argument too, I could make a case that our D is better than the '85 Bears.
And they'd be here, if they'd qualify. He started with the disadvantage of Carr leaving him with no recruits to start with, then having a couple losing seasons to albatross his recruiting efforts. If you read this blog, you'll see these recruits are coming. He needs more time. In my mind, this is really his second year. You have to forgive him 2008.
The MSU game, the offense moved the ball fine. TOs in the red zone killed them, which are mistakes by one player, and not a problem with the scheme.
In this game, we moved the ball well in the first half. 6 possessions: the first was a 3-and-out, granted, but after that, TD, Robinson hurt, FG due to penalty, dropped KO put them at the 2, then end of half. The rest of the game, they tore it up.
My point was, the same people that were throwing out their chests when we were 5-0 are tearing the exact same team apart. And not even, this team didn't have Mike Martin.