chance of bowl: 13.6%
|6 days 10 hours ago||Don't forget coaches||
salaries. As WD joyously presented, we doubled the pay of Pepperdine's Men's Tennis Coach. Did we require that?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||State of Colorado||
The new Cradle of Coaches...or of CC Threads!
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Paces||
He walks quickly up and down the sideline. Didn't notice any purple-faced eruptions or significant/excessive amounts of clapping.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Thank you||
Very nice story, I remember it from the original posting. I have a maize "IN ROD WE TRUST" t-shirt and a blue one, too. He signed the maize one, always a classy guy in every encounter my son and I have had with him.
Ignore the lame attempts at snark, and just be the fan you are.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||Me, too||
Actually started contemplating dumping tickets ~2 years ago, but pulled the trigger this year (so to speak). Hate that it looks like such a smart move now... But, hoping this season sets things in motion for a truly elite coaching hire.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||Truth||
We didn't renew this season, after 20+ years as season ticket holders, and you're absolutely right...the internal, personal obligation to make good on that investment by going to every game drops when you imagine you'll buy tickets on the open market on a game-by-game basis. DAB has screwed things up in massive fashion, and this year's empty seats and gimmick flash sales are only the beginning.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Been there, done that||
If you were at the Akron game last year, it's been done. Announced attendance was 107,120.
|17 weeks 9 hours ago||Thanks||
Good find. As stated below, way too soon.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Know who else is on the Broncos Roster?||
Albeit in an ongoing practice squad/injured reserve type role, zero career games in the NFL
Call Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow!
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Equally Surprised||
I thought for sure, in January, we'd have received personal calls at dinner time from "student-athletes" imploring our continued donations (not even a low- or mid-level marketing staffer, of which we now have dozens). Nope. Silence. But I WAS told my last chance via AD email, (kind of like a MLB Steve Howe last chance) the opportunity to renew my PSD was the day before the pre-sale of Man U v. Real Madrid tickets...3 months after the original due date.
I think your guesstimate is pretty accurate for the 2014 renewal period. Don't forget, the AD had PLENTY of tickets in hand prior to the 2013 season, and couldn't GIVE them away for that game against Akron last year, even with a healthy cut in prices to buy a 4 pack, get programs, hot dogs/drinks and a 3-D poster (at least one poster, possibly 4).
No worries, mate. Cue the humble brag bras to ride to the rescue in mere moments, telling us how they'll increase their ticket purchases THIS year, with THIS slate of games.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||Vacation||
Took a vacation this year already with the PSD money, and we may still look for opportunities for a Wings ticket package. And we'll still go to games, just via Stub Hub.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||PSD Rebate||
Should have been the very first thing they thought of when this team was scheduled to play this slate of lousy games at home.
Leave it to Dave Brandon to ignore that little fact.
|26 weeks 2 days ago||Did not renew||
No it did not
Going the StubHub route this year. Will save $$$.
People, please note: During the 2013 season, the mgoblue dynamic ticket model had between hundreds and THOUSANDS** of seats available on the Thursday/Friday before the game, EVERY game. This means that not only were plenty of seats available to add to your haul last year, but you'd have had better games to enjoy with your upgrade/increase. Don't increase this year, because there are now even MORE tickets available, with this lousy slate. Buy next year.
**Akron announced attendance was below 109,000, including the Ath Dept counting of every hanger on, recruit, player, band member, media member (which usually takes our tallies up over 113k). And that was WITH the $200 for 4 seats, programs, 3D poster and hot dog inducement.
|29 weeks 3 days ago||Continued||
"You think you hate it now, wait 'til you drive it."
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Thano's||
will be/has been missed. So many haunts and dives have gone by the wayside. Character's gotta count for something, right?
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Don't Believe It!||
The AD will change their tune either when DAB is gone, or when they've had a few years of having to work to make the stadium appear full, due to declining sales of season ticket packages.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Absolutely Correct||
The 2013 Akron game showed us that. $200 for 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 4 programs and, as an added bonus/late addition, a 3D poster, too (possibly 4 posters, not sure). And with all that, the announced/inflated attendance was 107k. Meaning we were still short by 5000 buyers of selling out.
Read a rumor here that "recent grads" would get an invite to buy via lower cost PSD...but it's not necessarily the PSD that makes it such a lousy deal, it's the whole cost added together...with the lousy opponents factored in.
I scoff at those who made money selling tickets as well (per other post)...these people probably never lose in Vegas, either. Like you posited, you'd have to sell ND, OSU well before the season or before the losses accumulate.
I also discount those who will now suddenly buy extra seats THIS YEAR. There were plenty of seats available to add to your season ticket order last year...this with a schedule worth paying some money for. Why pay this year? Those extra seats will still be available next year, too!
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Remember||
Paying for Dave Brandon's folly is not the same as buying tickets in the open market and attending. You can still go to all the games you want, just pay less, same experience all the way around. And you may even find a view or two that are unique that you'd never have tried otherwise!
|38 weeks 1 day ago||We're done, too||
We're out. 4 tickets, purchased for far too much money, for too many years, for product and event/activities no longer commensurate with that price.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Same here||
Stupid not to
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Ding Ding Ding!||
Had 2 tickets for 20+ years, added a second pair for the "kid plus other" about 15 years ago, combined 'em 12 years ago. And have been taking a bath on either #4 or #3 and #4 for years.
We aren't buying via the AD this year.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||IMHE||
This is where DB's strategization to wring every dime out of the paying customer pockets, including students: Many of the posters on this board, many, if not most of the fans sitting in the other 85k seats, are alums...alums who went to as many home games as they could. Who developed the love of the game, love of the team, love for Bo, Yost, the stadium, etc.
Today's students, pushed to the fringe, won't have those memories, won't have nearly the positive glow burning within, to share this with their own kids, to establish a dream of not waiting until fall rolls around, so we can go to 6-7-8 home games again.
Today, DB thinks selling off dynamically priced Akron game packages to some family from Okemos will make lifelong fans. Dream on...
|46 weeks 4 days ago||As we've discussed here||
My grand idea was for DB to come up with a "Loyalty Rebate" on the PSD to those of us who've held season tickets for over X years. Didn't happen.
Agreed on the kernel of this article, nice way to present the issue.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Shakes fist in your direction!||
NP. Pricey stuff, and you hit the nail on the head originally. Been doing this with the family (son, his friends, my friends, my brother, my wife)...son is a Jr in HS, so unless he's in AA, we can slide by on StubHub for 2014.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Actual Ticket Price||
is a bit short of the mark:
More like ~$1860 for 4 season tickets (at least in 2013...)
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Long, but not too long response||
We’ve shared a few comments (Sec 1, too) with regard to the growing disappointment with several/many things related to M Football and the current handling by the AD.
As you request, let’s hope this doesn’t turn into some flame attractant! What I see is that many people realize a) there is no waiting list (announced attendance for Akron – 107k+ attests to the fact that the AD didn’t sell out all the season ticket packages they could have)…and b) the fact that there are singles available (purchase up to 4 for Saturday’s game, down from up to 6 for Minn or Neb)…so c) it tells people that the pride felt at having the largest crowd in America is not going to be ours much longer. And finally d) they want you and me to continue making that happen.
I’ve bought tickets post-graduation and been a season ticket buyer 21-22 straight years. My Victors Club point total stands over 110…so I’ve given, and given a lot/quite enough. As can be seen on the ticket price chart, I’ve been there, paying for all the Akrons, Appy States, et al. Attending all those games. No one can question my loyalty or my devotion to the program.
I guess it was a pipe dream that the AD would offer us a “loyalty rebate” or discount off the PSD, considering the foul 2014 home slate, and our years of support. Fat chance, eh?
I can’t answer why people have lashed out at you or others for not re-upping…though they tend not to be season ticket holders, nor longer term as you and me…other than what I typed in the first para.
Hope you and the missus will make a trip or three every year, but like you, the willingness to part with $2400/yr (or more) for 4 seats has evaporated. We’ll buy via the open market, let someone else donate. I may donate to the College of Engineering, but not to the AD until we have the product on the field, and the product throughout, to make the experience the rich and tradition-filled event it was while attending school.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||House would||
Mock your intelligence in pressers for asking stupid questions
Call everyone around him "IDIOTS" (including DB)
Pop a vicodin (perhaps offer to share with injured players...or even wounded MGoBloggers)
Search for the root cause of what ails M Football after 2-3 rounds of futility
Scheme, manipulate people
Solve the problem himself, wearing a headset and firing Borges midway through the 2nd quarter of the 2nd game of total ineptitude...
Whip out his Stratocaster and join the MMB duirng the halftime show
(Thanks to the OP for a lighter tone post...and HOUSE is MADE for this role!)
|49 weeks 4 days ago||We||
seem to have a lot of that on this board/in this thread.
It's unfortunate, but not surprising, that opinions people hold dear, they're gonna hold onto for dear life! To those who dismiss your comments, or MGrowOld, or others, miss the fact that while MGoReadership is a slice of fandom, and a passionate one, the reality is...we know plenty of fans who are NOT MGoBloggerati, and they are equally annoyed/fed up, and looking to dump their season tickets, too.
Fandom should not be part of this discussion.
|49 weeks 4 days ago||Correctamundo||
As stated above, thousands of tickets were available...still are, for several games. Don't let anyone fool you into believing demand is so high that you can't find a ticket. Just keep looking...scalpers were standing at Stadium and Main as we walked in, charging VERY little.
|49 weeks 4 days ago||Mundane?||
I didn't see mundane in there.
Circle K added things I overlooked to include...the uniformz and unretired numbers BS. The halftime show which evolved into an advertisement for "Victors for Michigan" donation/shame/guilt grab.
It's all slick packaging, advertising the AD and lame self-promotion, rather than organic gameday activities and retaining the pageantry and everything else we all loved about football Saturdays as students.
The fantasy the AD is now imagineering, that bringing your 5-12 year old will make a Michigan fan for life...if they can't afford tickets, there will be more empty seats.
And I repeat for those who insist all tickets will be sold...at least 6000 seats are unsold and part of the single tickets available for purchase via Dynamic Pricing. My row in Section 20, from my 4th seat to the aisle, ten seats...five were occupied. For Nebraska. With an 18 game home winning streak. That model of fandom is not sustainable...and fans will vote with their wallets, once their butts have departed.
|49 weeks 5 days ago||Thanks||
I've been reading of your increasing dismay in full agreement.
|49 weeks 5 days ago||When Someone Wants to Sponsor Me||
Please reach out here on mgoblog.
I paid $2650+ for 4 seats in Section 20 (around the goal line, ~40 rows up). Except for ND, this year, I couldn't sell an extra or a pair for anywhere close to face/paid/greater than $40 each. The dynamic model is selling tickets for less than I paid (Akron) including the PSD, and there were still thousands left prior to that game.
Anyone who thinks there's a waiting list, or hundreds/thousands of people/families interested in obtaining season tickets (replete with PSD payment), please, continue to keep that public face, insistent that my fandom is in question.
I have earned Fandom Endurance Merit badges over the years, paid PSD's, been a season ticket holder over 20 years. I have some number of Victors Club points that put me in the upper quartile/quintile of all Victors Club donors.
And yet...I'm being charged a premium price for an inferior product. I get the following:
HD screens with Dave Brandon, stupid costumed students and a few young kids, few actual replays (let alone game stats that are current to the action on the field)
Play calling that is average at best
Rawk music from dog groomers
Splashy videos telling me how my donations make life great for the rowing team, or womens field hockey
"New traditions" that don't take hold, in a sleazy, marketing-driven attempt to replace ACTUAL traditions.
How does all that make my Saturday great?
At the end of the day, I'll buy tickets on the spot market, either StubHub or some other avenue (mgoblog ticket spreadsheet), and spend the $2000 I save on Wings tickets or some other more satisfying endeavor.
See what I did there...still a fan, still supporting the team, my team. Just not getting fleeced by Dave Brandon and his band of henchmen. Thank you, no, I'll be happy to keep my money in my wallet for the next couple years until ticket prices normalize, and become more reasonable to the games actually being played on the field.
|49 weeks 5 days ago||Entirely correct||
Always amazes me there are those who INSIST someone else will buy tickets if I forego the opp. Stunningly, on the dynamic mgoblue.com link, I could have bought 6 tickets to the Nebraska game if I wanted to. And I can buy up to 4 tickets for the OSU game.
Akron was a different story altogether...and 2014 is filled with Akrons, not ND's and OSU's.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Pioneer||
has been open a while. Got here at 9:15
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Actually||
There was a "Maize Out" against Wisconsin, and AT&T gave away tens of thousands of t-shirts. Probably wouldn't happen today, since the AD's brilliant HAIL program will give a student a free maize t-shirt AFTER the student attends all 6-7-8 home games (on time), >12 home basketball games, >8 home hockey games and >6 non-revenue producing games. They wouldn't want AT&T horning in on their incentivization!
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Mostly agree||
The bevvy cups from years past had Pontiac logos, Coke logos, now they have Coke and Sodexho logos. Plenty of corporate names/logos on the pillars in the concourses (Marathon Oil comes to mind). The ATM's are brought to you by Huntington Bank. Actually, U-M has been very aggressive in keeping the air traffic to a minimum, citing FAA/Homeland Security concerns...which never seem to be a problem at Super Bowls over the past 10 years...but the AD can then cut out that free advertising for which they seem to think they're owed a cut.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||His Pic||
Has a kind of greasy Miami Beach vibe that would be at home taking in large duffel bags filled with coke money from Tony Montana & Co.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Calling All Scalper Entrepeneurs||
Not looking for the run of the mill guy selling tickets to a single game...more the budding capitalist who gobbles up dozens of tickets...how does his/her model work? Buy 40-100 tickets at prices as low as possible ($20 each?) and try to sell the first 50% of that weeks stack to break even, then sell the rest for the profit? In all my years, I've never sold a single or pair for anything close to face, let alone what I've paid for them. (Of course, family demand is far higher for UTL or OSU or even MSU games than the rest of the schedule...Big TEHHHNNNN be damned.) What I see is dynamic pricing would pull the buyer willing to pay the higher amount into the AD orbit, probably causing problems for the scalper to recoup his/her investment for that particular week. OTOH, IU, Rutgers and Maryland tickets will be in plentiful supply, and dynamic pricing won't apply...everyone who wants to go will get a ticket for the same low entry fee...$20. Comments and insights appreciated.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Poster||
During that season, they were giving away posters of 9 of those guys...not sure who wasn't on it, likely Datsyuk. I grabbed a couple of them which are now in the memorabilia vault of the LL Estate (i.e. unfinished man cave or "basement")
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Ding! Ding! Ding!||
We have a winner! How the truth could get so muddled by the poster above is beyond me. The Woods riding the pine issue is one that still rankles to this day. The dude played for the Pats, being one bitten arm away from fully recovering an Eli Manning fumble to ice a SB win. I can't find the Belichek quote, but he excoriates LC for his treatment of Woods, IIRC, wondering wtf they were doing in AA.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Double Take||
on the double asterisk. That's the average secondary market price for endzone seats? This consumer wants the raw data and the method of calculation. As I said above, I would have loved to be able to score $65/extra seat for any of the snacky cake opponents over the past 3-10 years. About the only time I can garner those numbers are OSU, MSU and ND...and then I've already got a slate of takers from within the extended family. They aren't going to make the trip/miss Sweetest Day/miss Halloween/whatever to see U-M vs. Akron.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Possibly||
But those 8 packs of end zone seats that were presented...remember, for every ND and OSU, we have two CMU/Appy St/MD/RU on the schedule, too. Forgot...Indiana, too. I wish I had access to the various secondary markets the AD presents for probable prices for some of those less desirable games. I would have LOVED to get $65/ extra seat for every game last year bar 1-2.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||You, Sir, Are Correct||
Can't agree more, KT. Lots of hand-wringing in the Lexus household over the cubic dollars dropped on PSD's and seats for 4, Section 20. Add in tailgate expenses, possible dinners out and parking at AAG&O, and there are reasons for not taking primo vacations every year. DAB needs to be careful...I sense more and more people are going to cut back on how many seats they buy...my strategy for the future will be buying 2 instead of 4, and adding a StubHub or other means single as needed.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Agreed||
Which is why my comment a bit farther below, I think the upper limit of people/fans/corps willing to pay PSD's has been met.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||How Believable?||
I don't know that I'd trust/believe everything written by Loch Dog and DAB. Selling end zone singles to "potential" fans won't actually amount to anything but a sucker paying too much for a single that could be latched onto via private sale or StubHub (not via U-M AD) for less. My crystal ball may be hazy, but I'm willing to argue with all these end zone seats being available today (in packs up to 8 seats, natch!), we've hit the upper limit of how many people are willing to pay PSL's to see U-M play the schedules they play.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||WOW Factor||
disagrees with you. DB's stated purpose for the mascot, jet-pack man, parachuting the football in, etc. is to excite and engage the next generation of Michigan football fan. Can't say there are that many non-affiliated young kids sitting in $95 seats, but you never know.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Please Don't Forget||
Not aimed at you, PFP...Stanford essentially did the same thing academically for their football players (as does ND) to offer, and the players enthusiastically enroll in, courses that are titled "Kinesiology" here, BGS or some such at ND and Stanford. My thoughts back in the uber-successful days of football for The Cardinal was that it seemed the tatted/mohawked football players didn't seem to share much in the way of culture or background with the student population in general. That thought still holds...
|1 year 20 weeks ago||Not surprised||
since it seemed enough end zone seat opportunities opened up that I was offered up to 8 seats for "non-premium games." I kind of wanted to open a new post to ask people to input the reasoning behind the seeming glut of tickets, but would guess first and foremost was the overall expense and essentially boiling it down to buying ticket(s) to 2-3 premium games for $5-600 each (or more) and getting 3-5 lousy throwaway games for free. Tough to justify the whole enchilada, year after year.
Edit: I have ~120 points, not sure if the new grad/letter winner points have kicked in yet or not. Another mgopost concept was to try to get an idea of the profile of the mgoreader, their graduation date (if applicable), whether or not they are mgostadiumattendees, how many priority points they have, etc.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Illiniquest 2||
The Sequel! Race to the Bottom!
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Similarly, Cakewrecked|
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Barbra in CDN||
equals Celine Dion. /s
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Goldmember||
|1 year 26 weeks ago||1983||
An 8-4 1982 season, coming off a loss in the Rose Bowl in January 1983, mid-way through the 1983 season, the stands were packed early against foes mighty and meek equally. No amount of beers in hand (or apples, marshmallows, rolls of toilet paper) prevented or made it easier for students to arrive prior to kick-off.
Grasping at straws, my friend.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Half Agreeing!||
Maybe not the start time issue, but the YouTube generation (as mentioned in the other Sorority DrunkSlut thread), that they somehow consider Row A premiere seating, which the rest of us (Class of '87 here) passed on their way onto the field to pull goalposts down (in a drunken frenzy, admittedly). The current generation of students want their 15 minutes of fame, borne of watching from really awful vantage points, via 5 seconds of post-game photography or video from the team celebrations/singing of Hail to the Victors...
Here on mgo, we've made Lloyd Brady and Facepalm Guy actual t-shirted memes. Which student WOULDN'T want that kind of fame/infamy/fame?
|1 year 26 weeks ago||1983 - Double Post||
Sorry about that.
But the point stands...fill the stands!
|1 year 26 weeks ago||But||
where's the 6-pack, 12-pack, case, 1/4 barrel, fifth of schnapps, etc.?
|1 year 26 weeks ago||"Good Seats"||
Don't agree with you often, DB, but in this case (Class of '87 here), fully agree with the "what constitutes good today" argument. Like you summarized, Fr was end zone, and the holy land was Senior or Grad seats in Section 26 (or so). Rows 25-50.
Maybe the YouTube see-me-on-the-internets generation insists Row A is the place to be...who knows?
To other comments above, the early arrivers will pack in the lower section/lower rows, and peter out around the corner, but arrive an hour before the game? You'll have your choice of Row 25 in any section, for however many friends you'll want to bring with you.
But I don't think for a moment that ALL the students are mashed into rows A through 60, leaving 30 rows empty above. Those 3500-5500 no shows make a visual impact, regardless.
And if the no-show splits go among each of the undergrad classes, Freshmen had no excuse to not show or be on time, as they had no "bummer seasons" to endure. Sophs had just enjoyed a banner 2011 season, so what was the excuse? Lousy sked? Juniors got to see some wins with RR, and enjoy a rebirth of M Football in 2011...why miss games or significant portions of them? Lame excuses abound. And thus, they reap what they sow.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||My HAIL Points!!!||
What happens to them?
Honestly, we're going to see the upper portions of each section empty, with the few last row fanatics sitting up in Row 92 (or whatever it is), and a whole lotta space in between.
The problem I see is that a certain percentage of students miss a game. If it's 15% or 20%, how does the AD determine that student can't buy tickets the following year?
As stated, this may fill the first few rows (10-15) by kick-off, with mostly full up to the portals at the same time, but virtually empty above them.
To my mind, football Saturdays are a significant part of the college student experience, and every student should/will get the opportunity to buy tickets. Maybe the raised prices will cull the fence sitter from ordering tickets. Who knows...
Finally, it'll be interesting to see what comes into the email from the AD in late July, when they finally know how many non-renewals took place. I'm expecting there will be season ticket packages avaialable at that time.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Obscurity||
lies in the eyes of the beholder.
'bones heal, pain is temporary, [and] chicks dig scars...'
is a quote from Evel Knievel...published in his book in 1999.
Googling the "chicks dig scars" portion doesn't present mgo within the first 7-8 links, so it's not an obscure mgo meme, specifically.
Also seen on The Simpsons, for those who enjoyed that reference/advice from their "Evel" to Bart. Second season, aired in 1990.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||
Arrived at 1:34 p.m. ET
There's babbling about going paperless, and the renewal "fee" will be reduced from $25 to $15 (shakes fist at leeches hanging off my wallet).
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Not picking on your points, which were solid||
but keeping with the chain of comments.
Flip Saunders is 58.
Fred Hoiberg is 40.
Shaka Smart is 35.
Richard Pitino is 30...Minny was looking everywhere, at everyone. Richard Pitino isn't on the short list with those other guys, but is now definitely on the "flyer" or wing and prayer list of new coaches to watch for the next couple years.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||M Wins||
|1 year 32 weeks ago||Kinda hefty||
35 lbs...not bad.
Several of the alternatives or suggestions presented above are classic (in a non-classic/classy trophy kinda way).
|1 year 37 weeks ago||All the GMatt Love Today||
Makes me lament that Michigan let not only Mattison go, but let his Recruiting Coordinator predecessor, Bob Chmiel, go...both to ND. Looking back on defenses between Mattison's stints (who can forget so many torchings), whether we could have had even better recruiting classes than we did... Yet, for paying a partial schollie for his daughter to play softball at ND, we let him go instead. I think he would have picked up plenty of ideas/schemes/formations had he been here the entire time...sadly, the pay-our-coordinators-a-competitive-wage wasn't part of the mindset until 2 years ago (how insane is THAT statement!).
My brother and I have discussed and agreed that having an awesome original (Mattison) is better than a half-rate clone (let's not list ALL of them out, shall we?). Should have kept him close for the better part of the past two decades.
P.S. Having shown my agedness with the Chmiel reference, he was also part of Bo's staffs during the 80's. Could that man pick stellar performers to be around him or what?
P.P.S. I think the reason Chmiel left was the NCAA eliminated, or proposed eliminating, the Recruiting Coordinator position - as a stand alone and thus had to be integrated into an existing coaches role. OK, I'll let the younguns back on these intertubes to discuss with each other.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||But||
Do the players like them?
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Non-Tool||
Michigan wins in OT at Assembly Hall (YTAH).
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Recollection||
may be hazy, but didn't Brian come around with the update that the curriculum of the "student-athlete" playing football at Stanford took the similar track of classes as those ND or U-M? And though my eyes may be getting older, those Stanford players with mohawks and tatted arms hardly looked to be the 4.0 GPA/1400+ SAT achievers that Harbaugh seemed to indicate were base requirements for admission into Stanford in the first place.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||So true!||
Living in central OH during the 90's, it was amazing then, too, how vibrant the secondary market was. IIRC, recent alums at that time were allotted ticket opportunities for exactly ONE game per season, not of their choosing. Yikes! Full season ticket packages were doled out only to the big dollar donors of the day. Don't knowif that's changed since or not.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Mark Twain*||
Lies, damn lies and statistics. (Not you, JMB...leagues and sponsors, etc.)
Comerica Park has a capacity of 41,782. Multiply by 81 home games, you get 3,384,342. I don't think that the Coma had over 89% seats filled, on average, for every home game. They do well, no question, but watching all sports, there are TONS of empty seats. If someone were to ask me, I'd say that the attendance is now "counted differently" than back in the days of yore, as you point out. Truly, it was only 1-2 decades ago that 2M in attendance was the gold standard for MLB teams.
*He may have said it, or repeated it, or been the first to have written it down.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||True but...||
they're using Michigan Athletic Department numbers...tickets sold versus actual attendees. Corporate ticket grabs may mean more money, but ultimately fewer seats filled. Using your example, look in the background of ANY baseball game, up to and including the wildcard playoff games, and you'll see row upon row of empty seats. As many have mentioned, it's kind of a hassle to do all the ancillary things to get there, unless you're committed to the whole dealio. And this goes for MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA and CFB. Parking costs money. Dining out prior (or tailgating) costs money. Even drive time has its costs...especially upon departure postgame. These aren't 2-3 hour slices of time, unless TV/DVR is there for you...it's 5-6 hours, all the way up to 10 hours (for the hardcore tailgater). (Forget if you're the host of your tailgate...packing starts the night before or in the wee hours at o'dark thirty.)
|1 year 39 weeks ago||That's||
Geriatric porn, too!
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Nice||
You are my straightman, Butterfield.
Saw this a few weeks ago, didn't know if it would run afoul of the OT rules of posting for New Years Day...and Chait is apropos today, since he got a shout out on the front page.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Goalies||
Since the aughts, we've often seen the NC team have either an (eventual) NHL starter or back-up goalie in net during the drive to that trophy (witness MSU with Miller in net). Michigan has had several of those goalies, but only Turco was a long-term NHL starter. Montoya and Shields did their parts in the majors, but Hogan was more indicative of typical M backstops. Baby Jesus was awesome, but time will tell his place in the bigs.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Butterfield||
Ya crack me up...Mateen Cleaves...just 4 posts above the "Shady Recruiting Practices" thread, subtly inserts comment about the improper "benefit" received courtesy of Mo Taylor.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||"Marketplace"||
What you and ATL relate screams "local chamber of commerce/bowl committee provide scads of free tickets to local sponsors/businesses/NFL season ticket holders at low/no cost."
My impression of scalpers is they won't eat the buy-in cost of the tickets they have in hand, if someone is offering a reasonable amount of green for them. Reading the varied commentary, including Mr. Beeks, I gather quite a few people were happy to not sell...my experience upon viewing StubHub a couple hours prior to kick-off (from Clarkston, for giggles) showed stacks of tickets (some sellers had 14 or 20 seats available) meaning either a broker bought them, or they were freebies that current ticket holders were trying to off-load at a tidy profit to themselves. These were all priced over $100/ticket...obviously the prices dropped in the last couple hours run-up to kick-off.
Maybe the bowl dynamic is different than the home ticket market dynamic...my sense is this is a fairly true statement, regardless of venue (except maybe OSU, as they have FAR more demand than seats available).
|1 year 42 weeks ago||NSFMF||
Just positing a theory...would Darius have shown the same learning/growth curve by staying? My sense is it's hard to say/confirm with any semblance of certainty. We know M definitely could have used his talent, fo sho. Sometimes, the player needs to buy into his coaches direction, rather than his own teenage knuckleheadedness (see BWC for a prime example)...and Jake Long for the other end of the spectrum. Different strokes for different (or diff'rent) folks!
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Atsa||
OK. I pondered whether or not to get into that, just because the slight mishap detracted not a whit to the overall and complete destruction of our overmatched opponent.
Keep up the excellent content, young man!
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Hate to be "That Guy"||
Tenets, not tennants. Though the mental imagery, to be honest, amuses...
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Options||
Where I think this lockout differs from the last one is that the players, or at least, the better/best players, have options, and they executed...in droves. According the ESPN list of players now playing elsewhere, it's over 160...forgot, maybe even over 170 players. That works out to a smidge under 25% of the leagues players are overseas. (Another way to look at it...the top line of every team, and goalie, is now playing elsewhere.)
Of course, the guys playing over there, mostly, aren't playing for the love of the sport, but for a paycheck...and probably not pennies/pfennigs/rubles/euros...but thousands or hundreds of thousands of them. And those leagues are wise to the gambit, and have outlawed short-term contracts now, too.
This farce is directly the result of NHL leadership/ownership incompetence...the owners, the board of governors, Bettman, et al. What should be interesting is to see if hockey comes back this year or next, will the talent come back or not...and the resultant impact on attendance/ticket prices, etc.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Not sure how simple||
Renaldo Nehemiah comes to mind...blazing speed, not so many catches.
Of course, as the wiki page suggests, DR would stretch coverage vertically, allowing some room underneath...
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Not Plague||
or even plaque.
I remember Brian referencing that mayhaps DB consider running for guv of MI down the road, complete with a twitter #db4migov or something like that.
My reading of mgo and it's politics policy seems to indicate only oblique political references would be acceptable. A silly pic of BAIN chuckleheads fills the bill nicely. (I tried googling other imbecilic pics of VE's or PE backers, but couldn't find any...)
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Bain||
Did anyone actually click on the link above the BAIN pic, and see that BuzzFeed Sports writer Ben Mathis-Lilley actually did the comparison of college football and Wall Street?
Maybe Brian should have stated "draw your own conclusion" rather than state it's "creepily accurate," but he didn't. And I personally don't think this crossed some sort of brightline of politics/no politics rule. But it sure seems to have ruffled the feathers of more than one plutocrat-wannabe...
EDIT: And the pic is kinda funny/dumb in that these guys have money coming out of their mouths, lapels, ears (possibly other orifices as well...can't see)...much like the B1G.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||To Quote||
Mor-TAY "F*ck him!"
|1 year 45 weeks ago||HAIL||
says awareness, but unaware of how to draw the younguns to the stadium earlier (or at all). Of course, desirable games are a much better draw than jetpack man, coast guard chopper fly-bys or other minor-league efforts to reach out to the paying fan/true fan.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Sold Out vs. Filled Seats||
We've crossed the line some time ago on the "sold out" compared to actual butts in seats, and are rapidly approaching (for lack of a better example) JLA style crowds...where the announced crowd is significantly greater than actual attendance (witness most of the home basketball games as yet this season).
In my professional life, tickets are proffered for a variety of sporting events. This past football season, 4 tickets were offered in Section 1 (not THAT Section 1) for the Illinois game in the rain, and in the end zone for the Iowa game. Empty corporate owned seats, along with empty corporate owned parking spots, will make more frequent appearances, for all but the most desirable of games. This is not a blip, and won't stop, as long as the scheduling is weak for both football and mens basketball.
What would be interesting is to be the proverbial fly on the wall around the end January 2013, if the request for revised seating/PSD's into the end zone seats overwhelms the actual number of seats available...do the end zone seat areas then expand into the current blue zones? What if those carrying 4 seats in Maize, Blue, Valiant or Victors sections reduce to 2 or 3 seats instead?
Inelastic, meet elastic!
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Your mistake?||
You should have tweeted him.
/boom hashtagged #
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Replied to wrong post||
|1 year 45 weeks ago||M 82-72||
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Doomsday Preparers||
Gotta love 'em. Are you more an axe thrower, or throwing star aficionado?
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Marathon Oil and PNC Bank||
also have advertising on the pillars. To me, the Marathon Oil is a head scratcher, and the PNC Bank should just be presented on the ATM's (which they already are). No need for those to be on the pillars, too.
We're still not the gaudy mess so many other stadiums/HD scoreboards are (though Crisler and Yost are rapidly approaching NBA/NHL advertising densities), so we have that going for us.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||You just hurt||
Rich Rellford's feelings.
/last time I was at Crisler until 3 weeks ago.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||But||
You now get more Victors Club points!
|1 year 45 weeks ago||IMHE||
StubHub will be the primary beneficiary. Look at Mens Basketball. There are TONS of empty seats, and no tickets available via the Athletic Ticket Office. The grand experiment from the Michigan blogs on the comparative purchase costs for 2012 football tickets showed that supply will truly start to outstrip demand (with Premium Game exceptions applicable here and there).
Slippery slope zone has been entered...and we seem to be hitting the steeper portion...
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Thano's||
Lamplighter also had it's fair share of hoop dreams, pics, Thad Gardner, etc.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Been That Way for Years||
Look at football...announced sellouts (and the streak), and just recently, DB started to let the cat out of the bag a bit by sharing that the number of students in attendance vs. sold tickets differed upwards of 6000 seats. Slippery slope, that. To my eye (26 years of attendance, between undergrad years and now in post-collegiate life), I can tell by looking across the field if there seems to be more shoulder room there, more hip room in my row, to ascertain that we certainly are packed in cheek-to-cheek...or not.
The ticket package dealio has done it's work...made people shell out far more dollars than normal...another round of PSL + ticket cost vs. StubHub should be run for MBB. I'd imagine the results would be similar to the 2012 home football slate, whether full season, partial or just premium games were somehow compared.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Another "View"||
The AD placed the majority of the Maize Rage section in direct camera angles, and the roving cam(s) generally take shots conducive to leaving the impression Crisler is packed. (Not saying it's a new thing...looking at the implosion of discretionary monies available, and you can see empty seats in all those amusing pics Brian shows for Miami (YTM) games, televised NFL games, etc.)
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Reading Comments Above||
Seems like there were packages purchased, but games not attended.
Our experience was similar to yours, against the Rock (The Rock?), maybe 1/2 full, and that was even in our re-gifted seats...many empty seats all around us.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Some would argue||
BA has been "coaching" the entire duration of the "Bielema era." (Or at least the first couple/few years.)
|1 year 48 weeks ago||Them||
O - 42
M - 38
|1 year 48 weeks ago||The Simpsons Version||
Since Homer J was also referenced below:
First you get the shoogar, then you get the pow-wear, then you get the weemen.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Schematic Q's||
Probably my favorite part of Heiko as part of the MGo presser participation...that there are the banal and the fluffy questions from the lolmsm, and then from the blogosphere, comes the schematic, technical/tactical questions (and tragically, seemingly the very next question will be from the msm asking some bit of frippery that dampens the opp to get deeper introspection/insight into the coordinators philosophies and mindsets).
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Future Wifey||
had a wedding to go to...did the same. Was shocked...SHOCKED, I tells ya, when the guys at the reception told me Michigan won.
High fives all around the reception hall....and free drinks at the open bar!
|1 year 50 weeks ago||Road?||
Don't forget home uni's...the UTL "throwbacks" and adding numbers to the helmets, for a year...
|1 year 50 weeks ago||In the end||
That didn't help Paulie Cicero or Jimmy Conway.
And Henry's life afterward: "And that's the hardest part. Today everything is different; there's no action... have to wait around like everyone else. Can't even get decent food - right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I'm an average nobody... get to live the rest of my life like a schnook. "
|1 year 50 weeks ago||M||
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Saw That||
Both cringe-worthy and amusing, all in one shot.
Thought the same thing...couldn't we find a slightly more positive means to refer to those days?
|1 year 51 weeks ago||TY||
Typed what I was thinking, and wanted to type myself.
I am by no means an expert on football, but yeah, I know what the center is doing as far as calling out formation/assignments prior to the snap.
(EDIT: Oops, wanted to comment to Wolverine1987...but both of you made excellent/tremendous points, so kudos!)
|1 year 51 weeks ago||The Musical Overlay Opportunities Abound||
Between Brian/Jibreel showing a little love for Depeche Mode, how about some Shirley Manson and Garbage doing "Run, Baby, Run" for the DR sequence?
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Without a Bunch of Information||
Seems like it could have been dehydration as well, if someone is sickly, yaks on the field, etc.
Mountain out of a molehill. If he's saying he wasn't concussed, the doctors are letting him practice Monday or today, then, was he concussed? It would be quite a stretch to say he was concussed Saturday evening, but well enough to practice yesterday or today.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Awesome Story||
Thanks for sharing.
I only got the momentary encounter during autograph hound time during Fan Appreciation Day (or whatever it's morphed into), and like you said, attentive, genuine and down-to-earth.
There's worse people than RR out there, for sure.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Paging JamieMac||
Even? Hardly. I'd put the odds at 3:1 they'll do it!
Surprised they didn't run something yesterday. Googling seems to indicate the story is already beginning to lose steam...another sign it's ready for the Fr**p to try to run with it.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Excellent Reference||
Che Foster...sat by his mom a couple times during his breakout season...she flipped when he scored on a ~40 yard TD run (iirc).
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Actually||
Thanks, Yeo...what I was referencing was that DG wasn't really performing as a WR, put Darboh in, let DG's nicks heal, and keep him available for either WR or QB.
And I'd argue DG's stat line for past few games indicates he's not really going to make us stop wishing Stonum had better managed his DUI issues.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Hoke Mentioned DG's Boo-boos||
But then, if DG is truly gimpy (a little bit of shoulder and a smattering of ankle, according to the presser today), why is he out there at wide? As a 6'4" decoy?
And where is Darboh? Frittering away his Fr year eligibility on ST? He could be an equally soft-route running, turning-his-head-and-body-the-wrong-way WR, while DG recuperates. DG hasn't put up anything so incredible as WR that he was required to be out there. If anything, The Funchise has out DG'ed DG as the big loping-yet-fast guy. Let DG do some signal calling and, if required, mop-up or urgent back-up duty at QB. Only.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||As pointed out over the weekend||
during one of many snowflakes or hotseat threads, that 1984 team was the last to be shutout, 26-0 to Hayden Fry's Hawkeyes. Poster actually mentioned Russ Rein (I'd forgotten him...easy to do...and you mention the guy I remembered, Zurbrugg).
After that Iowa game, the Hawkeye players indicated they'd not seen such a simplistic offensive gameplan since their high school days, so there was a bit of that possibly dialing back too far, too.
(**I think Harbaugh broke his collarbone, actually.)
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Good point||
My brother and I have discussed AC and Desmond in the same respect...not having NFL-esque bodies. But they CAN be used in college ball to great effect...not saying Gallon has similar speed/acceleration, but 5'10" and 185 for Desmond isn't a yawning gap to Gallon at 5'8" and 180.
|2 years 1 day ago||IIRC||
Seated in the wrong seats, at the student section 35-40 yardline (back in the day), Michigan was in the victory formation, sealing the win, and the streaker runs on the field. Keystone Kops (cue Yakety Sax) hilarity ensues, as the dude does a most awesome headfake, and jukes the cop(s) outta their Florsheims. Whoever was the "deep back" in the formation nearly hurt himself laughing so hard...
Cherry on top of the banana split kinda day!
|2 years 3 days ago||Very nice!||
My then 14 y/o son did the same after the OSU game last year. Good times, GREAT memories!
|2 years 3 days ago||Defrag||
That recruiting chart showing the "Iowa-ness" of MSU recruiting really nailed the subj matter. Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and MSU all cluster in that not-great-recruits-but-could-do-good-things region, which has sadly bitten U-M in the butt (too many seasons since the mid-90's) more often than most of us care to remember...
|2 years 3 days ago||Replies||
To Hammer: Not too many other occurrences of field rushes since the turn of the millenium, that I'm aware of, if any others.
To MGS: Same with Purdue '82, except we were successful in taking down one of the uprights (maybe both?), which wouldn't come down until someone leapt onto the thing, causing it to come down FAST...luckily no one was in the landing path. And that accordion/domino effect of people falling over, immobilizing those in the general area can be disconcerting (though with enough lingering effects of your favorite beverage, you're willing to ride it out).
|2 years 3 days ago||Thank You!!||
|2 years 3 days ago||NSFMF||
I know who Bellomy is...curious to see if he gets meaningful snaps and experience this year, and what kinds of plays are called while he's in (see numerous posts/threads on the topic blasting/loathing/adoring his "stats" to date). College football is rife with results where teams rise high riding the upperclassman QB, who plays 90%+ snaps, and then the drop-off-a-sheer-cliff outcome after said senior QB graduates/uses up eligibility. Have a succession plan in place, and as we've coachspoke...the expectation is to the position, not the player.
Another comment, not particularly in response to your post, the "wait 'til Al gets his QB - Shane Morris." So what? Seems quite a few comments out there about the kid should red-shirt in 2013. Then what? Wait another year, until Morris is a R-So or R-Jr until the offense really takes off? That means 2015 is when we can expect to take on anyone, anywhere, and win. WOOF!
As very many others farther down this thread are commenting, fans are/can be stupid. What aggravates is to make a commitment* to change, and bail after 2-3 years of really awful and ugly infighting/backbiting. And unhappy results abound, on-field and off. (*not really a commitment)
But thanks for the reply...always interested in what others think/say. Not alway easy to summarize succinctly.
|2 years 3 days ago||I see||
what you did there!
And here we were thinking it had everything to do with schematic advantage!
|2 years 3 days ago||Direct Function||
It can be argued that the budget for said staff can ALSO have a huge influence on exactly who the staff will be. Watching some of the Borge-iosity, it's pretty unfortunate that a talent of the level of Denard is being utilized far below his particular skillset. (My brother, a fan, but not frequent enough visitor to games, marveled at forcing DR into a WCO QB role, when he's clearly ill-suited for it. How I wish the "we won't force players into schemes they're not suited for" was an actual truth instead of another bit of coachspeak...)
If an AD suggests here are two wheelbarrows of money, go hire THE BEST staff, does Borges get invited? It's understood there are loyalties to staff, etc. But with the money to pull in ANYONE you want, regardless of cost, makes it a VERY different proposition.
I've commented elsewhere, the stinginess of the Michigan AD regarding football coaching staff has been an albatross keeping those teams from mid-90's to 2007 from being Alabama-esque in terms of being elite and staying there.* (*Elite does NOT lose games in September, or to Minnesota, or get blown out by Iowa during homecoming.)
|2 years 3 days ago||More like||
How old ARE you? Best AD in decades? (Canham, Schembechler, Weidenbech, Goss and Martin...including DB, that's 6 AD's. He may be better than 2 of them. Maybe.)
Having attended M football games since 1982, I've NEVER seen the AD be such an attention whore (DAWB?). Get off my sideline, get off the camera and lead the department from behind the scenes, where you belong.
|2 years 1 week ago||Beat me to it||
Similar thought...SNL spoofed these with the "Kromega III."
"So complex, you need two hands to operate it!"
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Michigan Wins||
Back to the Future, indeed, Knowledge-based guy!
|2 years 2 weeks ago||^^^THIS!!!||
Best memory from years ago, visiting a mfg plant in Bowling Green, KY...transplanted engineer had a ticket stub for a Wings vs. Nashville (or Carolina, don't remember perfectly) game...$5.
I don't care if it was SRO...there is no way the worlds premier hockey league should be selling ANYONE entry into their venue for $5.
Hell, I don't think even student tickets at Yost are that low.
And don't think that the "competitiveness" of certain southern/desert-based teams during the past few years playoffs had anything to do with talent or skill...it was deteremined by the league to drum up enthusiasm for lackluster teams.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Post Game||
Al's not gonna stop at your tailgate after the game in the near future if you keep this up!!
(Someone (some people) doesn't approve, and are making their feelings known!)
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Pronunciation?||
Guy (rhymes with nasally 'high') a la wiseguy.
Or French-Canadian Guy ('ghee' as in Guy LaFleur)?
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Appy State, too||
Among other crimes he didn't commit, but may as well have...
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Fear the RB?||
I was reading these points of discussion as "not even going to hand-off the ball to the RB!"
Am I mistaken?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Noice||
Thank you for the witty rejoinder.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Gracias||
Had seen the wordy mgo meanderings when the "Extravaganza" was announced, and it may mean that kick-off is 4:30 local time, to a bunch of paying fans dressed as empty benches...
|2 years 4 weeks ago||How does that differ||
significantly from our game on Saturday night at ND?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||At Utah||
Isn't the "Thursday Nite Extravaganza" ( © by Lochdog) going to start at a similar time, since the crowd won't easily get to the stadium until at least 7:00 local time?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Spectacle||
And spectacular. It'd be worth it just for the mad mayhem going on.
Quoth Maximus: "Are you not entertained?"
|2 years 4 weeks ago||And no one||
schedules "WOW" like Dave Brandon! amirite?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Don't worry||
Soon, they will be!
|2 years 4 weeks ago||College coaches||
tend to refer to the team as "kids." NTTAWWT.
But if I were a college HC, I'd probably refer to them all as men. Personal preference.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||And||
the offense was openly excoriated for exactly this kind of performance under the previous regime.
Why Borges/Hoke et al are now given a free pass from ANY criticism, while withering criticism from the slew of open-minded commenters here on mgo aimed at RR was rampant, is beyond me.
If a commenter didn't like 400 yards of offense and 6 points 3 years ago, and railed against RR ad nauseam, why not today?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Mazel Tov||
Nice wrap, Seth.
I was even more flabbergasted at the Lochdog era silliness of posting Denard's mea culpa on the Michigan Football FB wall. As if THAT needed to be posted out there. To my eyes, "THE TEAM, THE TEAM, THE TEAM" doesn't put your senior QB out there like that, when there's plenty of blame to go around (your math says DR was 35% culpable, Teo and Borges at 20% each, uncaring uni 15% - I shake my fist at you!, and blocking at 10%). Use the Hoke coachspeak quote on that forum.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Ehhhxcellent||
Nice Ralph/Lisa/Bart reference. Kudos!
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Delta Sky Mag||
Sitting on a flight this morning outta Metro, reading the inflight recyclable filler, and what do they "inform?"
K-pop is a trend watch, and define PSY as "LMFAO's Club Anthems + Elvis Costello's voice and love of ironic suits - Elvis Costello's self-seriousness." Ending with "Psy, a K-Pop vet whose latest ear worm, "Gangnam Style," ruled the summer."
And at the bottom of said page (the "Just Cause" portion)? A shout out to CWood for his time/donations to C.S. Mott.
And here I thought Brian's head would asplode.
Instead, he be like dang!
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Pic!||
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Lazy Indeed||
SRK, Here ya go.
Click on the linky beneath Jeremy Piven for Museday Enchartening.
|2 years 6 weeks ago||QB Performance||
Your note on Shane Morris starting, etc. Brian just wrote about that very same subject, which I had mentally included in my all-encompassing post-Labor Day response to the Bama game angar...and didn't post, per snowflake update.
So, he basically said don't expect awesome from ANY Fr or Soph QB's, but Jr/Sr seasons will be impressive. (This was going to be for all those posts wishing for 2014 to get here stat! Still not going to be all that...gotta wait 'til 2015!)
|2 years 6 weeks ago||You Forgot||
Appy State 2014, Rob! WOW, indeed!
|2 years 6 weeks ago||WSS||
Yeah, over on the West Side, Section 20 (doesn't have the Marketing SNAP of "S1," but it'll do), we have Jets, Sharks and a flatfoot.
Do as already suggested...stand when you want. Sit when you want. Those behind you will follow suit.
Worst case, work your way back to your old section, either through a broker or some other 1-for-1 trade.
Or be the agent of change for Section 18. Superfan and the cowbell guy are down in that general vicinity...can't imagine they suffer for their fanatacism.
As far as quick exit, well, you can always bound up the empty benches in the rows behind you...much quicker than stairs. (I'd pressed the AD as to how moving the crowds into/out of the stadium would be improved with wider aisles, if the portals were EXACTLY the same size as before, but never got a satisfactory answer...)
|2 years 6 weeks ago||You forgot||
Comedy Castle stand-up dude.
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Scheduling Appalachian State Rematch||
Might as well put this here...didn't want to "snowflake" the subject.
DB insists that the cumulative Athletic Department MARKETING PROWESS indicated that scheduling a rematch with Appalachian State was intended to keep the Michigan brand in the spotlight. Well, he didn't need to do that to keep Michigan/Appy State there...during WWL's recaps of Saturday's ULM/Arkansas game, how many references to both The Horror® and Virginia losing to W&M occurred? Point being, whenever a stunner of an upset of very large proportions occurs, The Horror® invariably is referenced, thus achieving DB's "Future."
Which he creates, on a near-daily basis...
(Almost as bad as Kordell Stewart and the Victory Jets "Pontiac - Game Changing Performance" contest clip replayed over, and over, and OVER again! Until a few years ago, anyways.)
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Actually||
There were two incidents...the one referenced, and one shortly thereafter. We were pretty sure it was Carl on the first, and the second, not so sure it was him or someone else.
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Fighters in General?||
Fighters in general will make a LOT of noise...full throttle, afterburners, etc.
F-16 at the Red Bull races on the Detroit River, doing the high pitch low speed demo...high noise/high coolness factor.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||As stated||
2nd row, southwest corner, on side of the 'N' in that endzone (close to the flagpole).
As stated, TD celebrations will be closeby.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||OK||
Anonymous Internet Guy, I won't neg you.
Without internet access over the w/e, the mental post was brilliant. Days late, but brilliant.
I too, refrained from bombing away at any players.
Coaches, an athletic director and Brent/Herbie, OTOH, were fair game for my witty lampoons. Sadly, too much said on too many threads for me to be relevant a couple days after the game.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||Quote?||
Not nearly an exact quote.
Since we're making inferences, why not take this opportunity to infer that what RR meant was that we're too young and inexperienced, and "even Vince Lombardi couldn't fix this defense."
But go ahead and keep mauling the actual quote to fit YOUR narrative.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||It IS!||
Ya know, not only is it fun, it's, IMHE, a distinctly Michigan response.
Parse, debate, repeat.
Please enjoy responsibly!
|2 years 7 weeks ago||TY||
I guess there are many ways to blame the players, and this is "the right way."
There also seems to be the right way to force your scheme onto the players you inherit...
|2 years 7 weeks ago||1982 Wisconsin||
Season opener of my freshman year. Read up on Wiki, since I'd forgotten bits and pieces...remembered the second game of the season against UCLA and losing. Beating Purdue later in the season to earn our Rose Bowl berth a week before losing to OSU (as they were also called then). Running down to the brick wall after the Purdue game so we could charge the field and tear down the goalposts.
That was one of the seasons where there were unbalanced Big schedules, so U-M finished 7-1 in conf, OSU 6-1, so we had the better winning percentage. Howls from Columbus. Oh well.
Then went out to the Rose Bowl and got thrashed by UCLA
|2 years 7 weeks ago||No Loafs!||
Mr. Sparkle states "this is no place for loafers," too!
|2 years 7 weeks ago||Allies?||
Like WW2 Allies. So Hoke is part of the Axis, then?
Or a bunch of Ally McBeals?
|2 years 8 weeks ago||FYI||
Hey, Roger. I can call you Rog, right?
Actually, I've emailed Brian directly in the long ago (~2 years) regarding the lolmsm (and their declining circulation, and fairly putrid number of hits on their websites), and we exchanged a couple emails directly on the subject. With an appropriately descriptive subject line, you could have gone straight to the top via email. I, for one, understand why you went the other route, and understand how you thought your actions there should have been sufficient to get the awareness raised at another level.
Issue closed for most of the board, I'm sure. Let's hope for a pleasant update regarding MGoArmy, Tae and the Hope for Pahokee org.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Don't You Mean||
Can't tell you mgobrethren how many times I read that on other forums/blogs. And almost everytime, go back and read it again, to make sure I'm not missing some sort of hippie youth acronym, while mentally imagining the typist/poster pronouncing it "WAY-LAY."
|2 years 9 weeks ago||NORTH KOREA, FTW!!!||
Kim Jong Un approves this message!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Rolls of TP||
Screaming BS and pointing at the upper classmen.
THOSE were good times!
BTW, which marshmallows? The ones with coins embedded or the soaked/dried rocks?
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Bud Light Lime||
using DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince to do what?
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Jet-Pack Man!||
I still don't know how that made the game experience better or added more "WOW" to the event. The games are fine with a modest amount of pageantry and sparkle. Paratrooping/jetpacking the gameball in is fine, but not something anyone I know will point to as so memorable they remember which particular game it happened (10 years from now for jetpack man).
Not disagreeing with you, just a good place to suggest that some of the goofy minor professional league antics, in order to create noise or "buzz," may be ill-applied to Michigan football.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Billy Crystal||
In the midst of enjoying a nice MLT sandwich.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Ugh||
Geez...I was gonna put that in my initial post.
Profile cut-out of "133" with a bunch of old team photos in the hazy blue background.
The sked shows the game dates/times, but no B1G Championship Game date/time (unlike last years).
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Started with||
Molson Canadian, then ramped up to Hornitos margaritas...celebrating another anniversary of my debut!
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Brian Always Says||
DB Creates the Future...just never admitted that he followed in the Johnston & Murphy footprints Dave laid out...
|2 years 11 weeks ago||You forgot||
"synergize the thematic icons into an amalgam of dynamic excitement leading to enhanced recognition." Etc.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Tape||
Electrical/Electricians tape. As in the schoolyard.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Agreed||
Whether he retires at 64, 66 or 69, what happened last time he left? Michigan Football has now placed itself, salary-wise, among the top 10 (?) in OC/DC renumeration. Will we ever see again the promote-from-within philosophy that kinda sorta worked/didn't work after 1998? Worked insanely well from Bo's first days (possibly before) through to the 1997 NC, due to having coaching rosters STACKED. But looking back in the aughts, the loyal coach philosophy assisted the anvil in dragging down performances whereby better coaches/coordinators could have exploited the talent advantage Michigan held for so long.
My guess is some of the staffers will stay after Borges and Mattison depart, but OC/DC will become outside hires. A guess, I know...
|2 years 11 weeks ago||+1||
Yeah, that Auburn AD is the way forward. I thought there was another place (Arkansas?) where someone with Jerry Jones money pulled all the strings on hirings/firings...
Maybe NoDak hockey? Nice extreme example of the money tail wagging the AD dog...
|2 years 12 weeks ago||And QB du jour||
To win the Heisman each year for each year of eligibility remaining...
|2 years 12 weeks ago||GOLDEN GOD||
is Doug Henning?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Memorable||
For many reasons, good and bad.
Yeah, Elvis telgraphing that lazy toss for Buckley to waltz into the endzone hurts to this day.
Hated my Sec. 9 Row 10 seats, so we made our way to the student section, ~30 yard line. Packed (PACKED) in like sardines...everyone standing on the benches. Sideways. Had to dip a shoulder and turn to watch as the LOS moved from one side to the other. With the up-tempo pace, it was like a tennis match, back and forth, up and down the field.
Using a Howard Cosell voiceover would work to describe the overall game...two heavyweights: one the old guard, the other, the challenger, a young up-and-comer. With shot after shot exchanged, the youngster survives, outlasts his opponent, and walks off the field...bruised, bloodied, but victorious.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Please don't forget||
|2 years 13 weeks ago||You mean like||
"Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel?"
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Paging Heiko!||
Bubble screen diagrams, delivered to Borges, STAT!!!
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Continuum?||
Ah, geez. Looking at the Wikipage, I KNEW I wanted to type "Sun Runner" (as I recall, the profile of the car at M Stadium was Sun Runner or Maize & Blue).
Thanks for latching onto the fumble. (Per yesterday's MGopost on fumblitis, were you coached to do that?)
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Actually||
I seem to recall one of the Aussie competitors from 20+ years ago (Continuum, maybe?) driving around the turf (see? 20 years ago!) and doing a loop around the stadium (or at least on the field) during pre-game? (Bronco648 or any old-timer, what can you find/recall?)
Dunno if that would meet Hunter's vision of "WOW" for M Athletics. You can always go to the basement of Cobo during NAIAS and talk, look, take pics, etc.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Same Hypothesis||
Which is good for a debate, but be prepared to have it panned. Much easier to blame RR than to evaluate any underlying cause which may/may not have been his fault.
Ultimately, what Michigan Football fans learned in the aughts was to have a mix of players getting meaningful reps, so when called upon, they would have some basis of understanding and ability to make plays (hopefully).
|2 years 14 weeks ago||"Loafs"||
Or, per Mr. Sparkle, "This is no place for loafers."
|2 years 15 weeks ago||WQRS||
As well as a DJ at the now-defunct Detroit Classical Radio station WQRS.
Spent many a Saturday post-game meal at Thano's Lamplighter, typically including a brief conversation with Carl about the game just ended. He had his table for 8+ up front, we had our booth in back by the TV, a cold pitcher of Molson waiting for us...
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Where in Central KY?||
Not living there, but visiting more than I'd prefer!
(Of course, a thread on the Dexter tornado hooked me up with an mgodrinkingbuddy while on layover in Evansville, IN.)
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Ron Burgundy Prefers||
to be referred to as "Ron Burgundy."
Do you ever get the sense DB announces the start of marketing team meetings with "Marketing Team! ASSEMBLE!!!!?"
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Tim Horton?||
I thought he played hockey...
|2 years 22 weeks ago||OTOH||
Imagine how that could have morphed into a "be careful what you wish for" moment...and now the SEC East champ gets to travel 1800 miles to play Oregon in the semi-final in Pasadena...
My $0.02 is the B1G AD's spent too much time in the pockets of men in bright red blazers, and lost sight of a nice opportunity to increase "fairness" for our football champs.l
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Agreed||
It doesn't look like the % capacity utilization was based on fluctuating seating capacity between 2007-2009.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Actually||
AT&T, flouting the "no advertising within Michigan Stadium" unwritten rule, handed tens of thousands of free T's (emblazoned with their logo/name) for the 2008 game against Wisconsin, during a "maize out" event.
And the color of said shirt? Old school maize, ca. mid-1990's!
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Brian||
has already offered up the term "Blue Job" for the evolved conceptualization...
One other drawback is the on-going, raging battle of what exactly constitutes "maize" nowadays. Those of us over ~35 y/o may have a "vintage butterscotch" maize T, which may clash with those hippity/hoppity kids and their highlighter yellow T's.
(As well as the fact that there are no "maize" jackets/parkas, so the "maize out" T-shirt idea only works essentially in September.)
|2 years 26 weeks ago||The band needs to learn||
"Take Off" as sung by Geddy Lee. PURE GOLD!
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Thanks||
for your feedback.
Also, nice to see some balance and perspective regarding season-on-season trending and all that unfortunateness.
When you suggest "myth about RR's recruiting efforts here" where is "here?" Here at mgoblog? Or here in MI? If here on mgo, I guess there's some truth to that, coming from the top down (even in this post, Brian suggests many "tweeners" etc.).
Thanks again. Appreciate the insight.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Michigan HS Talent||
Actually, Brian's written about the dearth of top talent within Michigan prior to the last two years, going back to 2005 or so...
But the point being that even the top 3 guys in MI not being great fits, or 3/4 star types, well, yeah, get 'em and keep 'em from the other guy. Not in dispute.
(Of course, if there are "Michigan Men" steering that talent to the other guy, what could any coach do?)
|2 years 26 weeks ago||General Recruiting Question||
I'm not quite as savvy on recruiting as so many other fan/FB stalk/recruiting service subscribers, so here goes:
How early does a typical recruit have a good idea where he wants to go? Sophomore year? Junior FB season? And I'm wondering about those last 6 years of Carr through today, knowing full well that today (2012), many top recruits are getting pencilled in/verballed just after their junior season of football (that they have their minds firmly going to a top 2-3 choices by sophomore year/football season).
My deeper question relates to how much ground work is laid making Michigan an appealing choice to these young men as they make their way through JV in 9th or 9th/10th grades, and then sign on the dotted line a couple years later. Does this help explain the slow recruiting rise for RR? That there were many 9th/10th graders unseen/unrecruited by M staff in 2005 or 2006?
Help me understand how this works, how it worked then, etc...
|2 years 26 weeks ago||THIS!!||
Hasn't DB or Sailboat previously used the "but the home schedule is chock full of premium games, so the prices of the season ticket packages are going up?"
As noted here and elsewhere, instead of $390 plus PSD for 6 games of varying distinction, $490 or $500 (or $515) for 7 incl. Alabama would have achieved what $4.7M for each year (or whatever it would have worked out to) of a home-and-home would do.
I guess this is where the angry arguments about who exactly the AD's customer really is comes to the fore...players? Ticket holders? The other comment (not sure who posted) that DB pwned Hollis by getting this game in JerryWorld and garner a home tomato can game in 2013, for added "profits"...well, MSU season ticket holders get Bama in their house. That's pretty nice, too...
|2 years 26 weeks ago||6 of one?||
Don't read this as snark. Why does it all have to be about the money? And if it IS all about the money, and this is a good/great deal, then why did the home ticket package average price go up for the 6 home game slate? (I understand that the revenue stream is upset with 6 home games vs. 7-8, but that's not the only thing being debated. And the AD was plenty in the black last year, so was there a "need" to increase ticket prices with the home schedule we have?)
See comment/reply below on "home" game. Just figured since we were abandoning a home game off the 2012 schedule, we were going to be the "home" team.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Remember what?||
Huh? Geez...didn't get the press release committed to memory, and look where that gets me.
Thanks for the clarification.