alternate headline: man does job
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||If you understood how low mtu||
If you understood how low mtu hockey had sunk. He's really turned the program around.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Ahem. The flu vaccine provides protection||
Against 3 versions of the virus, not just one. They have also come out with a version that provides protection against 4 versions of the virus. At additional cost, of course.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I thought the issue was that he failed an NCAA drug test.||
I thought the issue was that he failed an NCAA drug test.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||+1000||
|10 weeks 1 day ago||He is living in North Carolina now.||
He is living in North Carolina now.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||And Brando had moved Ablauf||
And Brando had moved Ablauf to a different job starting that game. His replacement wasn't listening to the broadcast feed like he always did, so she didn't hear the announcers going on about the hit to the head, missing an opportunity to alert the coaches & medical staff.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||WD, mind reminding us how||
WD, mind reminding us how professionally you dressed when you filled in on that job one game day this year?
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Because that's the example||
Because that's the example Durkin's boss set the last month he was coaching the 49ers?
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Have you forgotten that Mattison is a former NFL coach?||
Have you forgotten that Mattison is a former NFL coach?
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Except Minnesota has an||
Except Minnesota has an interim AD and because of Kill's health issues they had language in Claey's contract that if Kill had to take leave or whatever, Claey's was the interim coach. Makes a lot of sense given this to make Claey's the head coach. Next AD will get to assess his performance.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||He is.||
|10 weeks 5 days ago||I think RR's 4 years in AZ,||
I think RR's 4 years in AZ, with Casteel as his DC, helps us judge the "RR should have gotten a 4th year at Michigan" argument.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I think Dave Brandon tried that.||
I think Dave Brandon tried that.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Are you making||
A rice dressing, or cornbread?
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Yes, it does. Scheduling||
Yes, it does. Scheduling charleston southern & Idaho means that bama and auburn have a scrimmage during their bye week prior to the iron bowl.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||This.||
|16 weeks 2 days ago||You are aware, are you not,||
You are aware, are you not, that harbaugh has had only 10 players on the field for a punt, aren't you?
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Still not balanced.||
Still not balanced. Michigan, Ohio state, Wisconsin beat MSU, osu, Nebraska & Iowa on a regular basis. If you really want balance, you need to split Michigan & osu, and we know how well that will go over. And the plains alignment only looks good because Iowa is playing well this year. And the Minnesota-Nebraska game needs to be protected because of the broken chair trophy.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||"Not much water around it." Michigan's out then.||
"Not much water around it." Michigan's out then.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||You should be following||
You should be following weather underground, since it was started by a um grad.
|20 weeks 2 hours ago||So it's hip hop, not carbon||
So it's hip hop, not carbon emissions, that are responsible for climate change?
|20 weeks 2 days ago||I read that, too.||
And thought of the Bo quote:
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing”
Seems to me that that was what Hoke was trying to do.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Delete;||
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Brandon didn't just make them pay.||
He made them pay the PSD if they wanted tickets.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Even better.||
That was shitty, but we had heard stuff like that about Brandon before the book.
Bus Brandon is a business man. And the contract with Adidas gave them 8 (I think that's the number) good tickets at the final 4. Brandon used them for his family and scattered the Adidas people in lesser seats.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||That section told us sooo much.||
I dare anyone to look at Hoke's tenure the same way after reading it.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||I think the book puts quite a different light||
on the letter of support that all the coaches signed.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||That really didn't surprise me.||
After all, didn't MSC hire Ferentz when she was president of Iowa, and isn't she responsible for his ginormous contract? I also always figured that she, more than Martin, was behind RR being hired.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||I understand some peoples point.||
Tickets, especially season tickets, cost more than $1.50 each (20 oz cokes are usually 2 for $3 in my area).
|21 weeks 3 days ago||We learned not so much in||
We learned not so much in BLL. The ND AD was a pain to deal with that Martin put up with for the sake of the series. Brandon didn't appreciate the series (he thought MSU was a bigger game, despite the evidence presented to him), and the other ADs didn't like him. Also, Brandon trusted the last deal with ND & didn't negotiate like he should have, again despite advice otherwise. So ND might have walked anyways, but Brandon made it easier.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||"Do these make my hips look wide?"||
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Yes.||
According to BLL, the football uniformz were all on Brandon. Adidas wasn't any happier with him than the fans were - it cost them to come up with prototypes of his stupid ideas. So it's not a stretch to think that he was involved with the basketball uniformz too.
|22 weeks 3 days ago||And the coaches also had Brandon tsk tsking about the team's||
Culture. Read what the fired tennis coach had to say in BLL. Then think about some of the comments on here last year about country club, softness, etc. per bacon, only 4 coaches escaped Brandon's "help" and hoke wasn't one of them.
|22 weeks 3 days ago||Well, when you come in & and announce to your staff that||
you intend to fire 100 of them, it's a little understandable if you come off as a bad guy.
Brandon gets kudos for how he handles stretchgate, for giving Hagerup one more chance, the student-athletes like him, there's a regent who still speaks highly of him, and I think it's his secretary who thinks he's a good guy. Its just that there is so much negative stuff that outweighs that.
Brandon had multiple chances to provide input to the book, and chose not too.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||I've started reading BLL.||
I've started reading BLL. Part of the reason Hoke's salary is so high is that Brandon didn't negotiate Hoke's salary before he hired him, so Brandon could imitate Canham's press conference when he hired Bo. So Hoke's agent had the better negotiating position.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||At least General Mills is||
At least General Mills is based in Minnesota. And it's not like athletes on cereal boxes aren't already done. Chobani is based in NY.
|24 weeks 19 hours ago||But it is consistent with Brandon's "firing Friday"||
But it is consistent with Brandon's "firing Friday"
|24 weeks 1 day ago||He was also on Michigan radio.||
About 18 minutes, which you can hear on their website. Several stories, including the truth about the noodle.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||The Tigers website, too.||
Argh! No respect for the game.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||At one time Nicolas Cage could.||
Not sure if he could today though.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||And if Brandon was paying,||
I'd have no problem with this. But he was turning his nose up at donated flights.
|24 weeks 3 days ago||Mgoblog's exit post is dated||
1/20/11. And states "This has been rumored for weeks, and confirmed, in part, by David Brandon at the Brady Hoke introductory presser"
|24 weeks 3 days ago||Mattison did say||
that we had no idea what Brady was dealing with.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Does anyone else remember at||
Does anyone else remember at the time
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Not to go all DB,||
But by changing the name from big 10 you lose all that brand identity & goodwill worked up over the last 65+ years.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Correct me if I'm wrong,||
but an athletic scholarship is NOT contingent upon a certain level of play, unlike an academic scholarship being contingent upon maintaining a certain level of scholarship (ie, GPA).
If the student-athlete is in good academic standing, hasn't violated the code of conduct rules or team rules then those are the breaks if he doesn't perform as well athletically as projected.
Therefore, why should "We could thus arguably say that Player X now has – through no fault of his own – reached a point at which he is failing to live up to his end of the scholarship-for-play bargain." even enter into it?
The more this becomes the way college sports operates, the more I agree that they should be paid. Because if you are going to manage the roster like a pro team, then pay them.
|33 weeks 22 hours ago||And there are||
Still rumors of more transfers
|36 weeks 3 days ago||Aren't there quite a few walk-ons/preferred walk-ons?||
I always thought that they are part of the 25. Convert them to scholarship the next year and effectively even out the class sizes.
|36 weeks 4 days ago||The Detroit news has an article||
That reveals that the team uses a tool called the lobster to help improve hitting. Maybe the tigers can borrow it; sure wouldn't hurt.
|37 weeks 2 days ago||He's had the playbook||
|38 weeks 2 days ago||And since when||
Are fans smart?
|38 weeks 5 days ago||Or they don't know what the color is.||
From the Detroit New's article: Chris MacGuire, Adidas's Director of Sports Marketing "The sentiment was to go back to the mustard -- for lack of a better term – away from the sun (color)."
|39 weeks 6 days ago||The article also quotes||
the prosecutor in the case, Lynne Gast-King, as stating that she doesn't believe that Clark struck his girlfriend.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||I find that they say Coke.||
Waitress: Would you like a Coke
Waitress: What kind?
And they don't mean regular, diet, etc. Orange Coke = orange pop
|42 weeks 4 days ago||I understand that Saban has some type of psych assessment done||
On each player so he knows what approach works best with each
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Kids these days.||
Let me try to explain this in terms you might understand, WD. The absence of "pings" is to baseball as noon games are to Michigan Stadium.
And good riddance to 27-6 scores. That's a football game, not a baseball game.
|43 weeks 3 days ago||I think||
Things like chuck knolls coaching, the steel curtain, etc contributed to bradshaws rings
|44 weeks 6 days ago||Were they at least the same shade||
|45 weeks 6 hours ago||Not so fast.||
Harbaugh has done some of this - like the time he bought blue work shirts for his team. And he may not like the quotes on theweight room wall, but he does like them on twitter.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Agree.||
I know you're getting some flack, but the primary responsibility for academic integrity lies with the college/university and the accrediting agency. The UNC scandal today, Univ. of Georgia scandal in the early 80s happened because the universities put athletics above their academic mission. The NCAA has to deal with the fallout because such misbehavior does give a school an unfair athletic advantage, but that's mop up duty really.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||Yes.||
I checked MaizMama's diary, and the WFA the last 2 years took place during the satellite camps.
|45 weeks 5 days ago||It was announced in Jan||
that Harbaugh would speak.
There are pics from the banquet on the front page of the MHSFCA's web site. Some in suit & tie, some in polos, etc. http://www.mhsfca.com/
Here's video of Nussmeier speaking at last year's banquet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okv7ey_PwzQ
|46 weeks 2 days ago||It's actually hard to do.||
The identical color will look different on different materials.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||yes|
|47 weeks 3 days ago||The Hokes declined & you got a note from the||
athletic development dept? Doesn't that sound like it didn't go through Hoke's office, but the AD's office?
Just the note makes me think that there are going to be a lot of juicy details in Bacon's upcoming book.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||I can confirm the pizza meeting one.||
Don't remember the thread,not looking it up because I have problems with th search here.
I can't address down votes; I usually stay logged out.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||The top of the 2-tone shorts looks an awful lot like||
the top of maternity pants.
|50 weeks 5 days ago||It did happen under Brandon.||
It was part of the deal worked with SCG that was announced just before Brandon resigned. The piece that got the most attention was cutting the price of student football tickets. But in the full release was a bit about even further reduced prices for students with financial need.
See 5th paragraph of this Daily article.http://www.michigandaily.com/sports/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-athletic-department-ticket-prices
|1 year 2 days ago||Additionally, Hoke inherited a lot of roster issues:||
Unbalanced roster (where were the Olinemen, for example), a 2010 class with ~75% attrition ,etc. It seems that as he got further into his tenure he was able to redshoirt more. Peppers & Cole were 2 notable non-redshirts from the 2014 class, but they were both exceptional players.
|1 year 2 days ago||Also, he seems to be a leader in the locker room.||
It was reported after Hoke was fired that Hoke asked Desmond to help keep the team together.
|1 year 6 days ago||Huh? DeBord hasn't coached at um||
For how many years? He had a fill in job just during the coaching search.
|1 year 1 week ago||Gospels or||
|1 year 1 week ago||Don't know how tOSU feels about it,||
But headlines in Alabama papers shortly before signing day were about Alabama having cut a player. Flat out cut, as if he were an nfl player who didn't make the roster. Wasn't medical, wasn't school or character issues. He just wasn't a good enough player. So much for All those noble NCAA principles.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Why do so so many people confuse code of conduct||
with legal system?
You attend a college/university, you agree to abide by the code of conduct. There's no "innocent until proven guilty" with the code of conduct. It covers more than sexual misdeeds. For example, the daughter of a friend of mine was living in on-campus housing operated by a 3rd party. The daughter's roommate was a real piece of work. There were some serious issues which the housing staff blew off. But then the roommate took to posting threats against the daughter on Facebook. Because the school policy allowed parents & such to also file complaints, my friend was able to report the Facebook threats to the school, which took action as this was a serious violation of the code of conduct. That was the last semester the roommate was enrolled at the school.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||I think the author is referring to Mike McQueary.||
Not sure what his testimony ended up being on the stand, but the initial reporting was that he witnessed Sandusky assaulting a kid and instead of confronting Sandusky, calling 911, etc he turned & walked away. Then the next day he contacted Joe P re what he had witnessed. And then the game of telephone began watering down what McQueary had seen.
But let's not forget that this wasn't the only red flag wrt Sandusky that PSU officials were aware of. And what did they do? They moved Sandusky's camp thing from main campus to Berend(sic). Thanks, guys.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Check out amazing ribs||
They have a section showing various solutions to bbqing thru winter despite living in a snow belt.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Espn is using #shrinkage||
Would you prefer that?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||OCC had an enrollement of 22,000 fall 2014.||
In 2013, 2100 students transfered to 4 year colleges. (1700 to UC & CSU campuses.)
Accredited by Western Assoc. of Schools & Colleges.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||It shouln't be confusing.||
Yes, the NCAA has a minimum.
But the NCAA isn't an admissions office.
There are ways to "fix" a player's grades/credits to meet the NCAA minimums. Some are legit, others are shady. Some admissions offices will accept the shady fixes for players. Other won't. It's a matter of how does the school weigh academics v. winning.
For example, UM lost a recruit to Alabama, 'cause the kid really wanted to study engineering. One of the engineering profs at Alabama was quoted as saying that they'd work with the kid so he'd succeed. In the first place, you don't go to Alabama to study engineering; you go to Auburn. But in the 2nd place, engineering is HARD. Even good students don't succeed. So an eng prof making that kind of statement is announcing that he is willing to compromise academic standards for football players. So where do you think Alabama ranks winning v. academics? And how does that compare to UM.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||1) 1000 JUCO's works out to||
3.5% of the undergrad population. That same percentage applied to 85 scholarships would work out to 3 players.
2) I recall reading on this board that a lot of Michigan's JUCOs come from a school which has a relationship with Michigan, the courses transfer,etc.
3) There was a post on the board in the last week or so that shared an article on a guy who helped JUCOs get eligible for 4 year programs. He took advantage of schools with online courses, did the work/took the tests for the kids, etc. Any decent admissions office would be aware of these "credit mills" (can't call them diploma mills) and would be unlikely to accept their credits when a student - ANY student - wanted to transfer.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Then check out the article in the Detroit News.||
They destroyed kitchen cabinets. Is that sufficient damage for you?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Do we know that?||
I don't see any mention of the post game pressure in the colts footballs in the espn article.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Too bad he didn't||
send some of that the Lions way.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||I've read a couple of places||
that Mattison and iirc Hecklinski were exceptions to this. Oh,and Singletary too I believe.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||I doubt it was just professional courtesy.||
The Hokes & Harbaughs go back a ways. Hoke was an assistant under Jack Harbaugh at WMU. Hoke's out of state on the recruiting trail in bad weather when his wife goes into premature labor. Jack & Jackie Harbaugh were at the hospital with her.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||The medical hardship came out||
The medical hardship came out of one of Hoke's pizza house appearances
|1 year 6 weeks ago||I can't believe that no one has looked at Saban at Alabama||
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Someone needs to take a really deep dive||
On um 69 v um 68, special emphasis on qb, to see what's possible in 15.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||That everyone EXPECTED.||
Compare how the news broke on Hoke's firing v. Brandon's firing.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Really?||
The news that Hoke was fired was incredibly close-hold and he got it. And then sat on it until the team meeting started.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Sam Webb adressed what he thinks Michigan's window is.||
1) You're not going to be able to get someone in place soon enough before recruiting shuts down 14/15 December.
2) Recruiting starts back up 15 Jan. If you can hire someone 1st week of Jan, he'll be able to make calls and set up visits for when recruiting starts up again, giving him ~ 3 weeks before signing day.
FYI, Bill O'Brien interviewed with Penn State on 1/5, when the Patriots had a bye. He coached thru the Super Bowl.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||He wasn't winning in the NFL.||
He's sub-.500 in the NFL.
I seem to recall that there were also issues with pros not being as receptive to his coaching style as college players were.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Sure, the interim AD who declined to say what his||
drop-dead date for hiring a coach is so he can preserve trading room is going to start out with a salary that is higher than all but 1 college coach (who has what, 4 MNC rings?) and several super bowl winning coaches. Right.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||The $1M goal was met by 1:00,||
per the article. 2 hours before the news broke that Hoke was fired. So it would seem that there were other reasons people donated.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||eh, I'm not so sure that "horrible Big 10 coaches"||
is why the Big 10 is perceived to be down. Just because the SEC is constantly trumpeted as the best conference doesn't make it so. Yeah, Alabama has been pretty dominate. But look at the SEC East. Now that we have play offs, we'll have the results of head-to-head games to judge the best teams, not just the bloviating of "experts."
And I think you misjudge Michigan fans if you think they'll settle for the "occasional" Big 10 title.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Considering how Hackett was able to keep the lid||
on Hoke's firing (contrast it with how early we learned Brandon was gone), I would expect the coaching search to play the same way. So reports like this IMHO should be met with skepticism.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||I would think the # of incidents & how||
the coach handles them would be what matters, rather than the total absence of incidents.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Interestingly,||
Hoke's winning % at UM is ~0.600, just a bit below Alvarez's .614 at Wisconsin.
And Alvarez's first 3 years at Wisconsin? 1-10, 5-6, 5-6. In his 4th year her went10-0-1 (so it IS possible to improve after a losing season) and won the Rose Bowl. But 2 years later he was 4-5-2.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Probably Purdue||
|1 year 10 weeks ago||I seem to recall reading somewhere that Mattison||
took the job with ND when coaches salaries were more modest & ND offered a tuition benefit that UM didn't.
Since Mattison's kids are grown, that motivation wouldn't apply this time.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Playing behind an Oline with||
2 RS SR, 2 SR & 1 JR starting
|1 year 11 weeks ago||"Forfeit their redshirt year."||
I'm not going to waste my time digging up history. If you have HTTV for 2010-2014, you have it anyways, as should the editorial staff.
But there's some damn revisionist thinking going on here. I'll just point this out: the 2010 signing class was in the mid 20s; it's attrition rate was ~75%. That's 15+ bodies that should have been on the roster but weren't. If they had been there, does anyone seriously believe that as many redshirts would have been "blown?"
|1 year 11 weeks ago||.||
And look at the thanks he got.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||It's probably not that big a reclamation project.||
If you care to look, there are a lotof similarities between 2015 UM and 2007 Bama.
Bama was coming out of severe sanctions - loss of 21 players over 3 years. Mike Shula was the coach during the sanctions, and Bama was too impatient to see what he could do once sanctions were over. Saban comes in, goes 7-6 his first year then 12-2.
Hoke has filled in the holes he inherited on the roster with 3 highly ranked classes. Whoever takes over will have seniors and juniors. I believe I'm correct in saying that if Miller starts next year, he will be the 1st SR center since Molk.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Hmm||
I don't know
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Then there are probably a lot of||
|1 year 11 weeks ago||There ARE a lot of rules when it||
Comes to recruiting. So why should someone who isn't the football coach or his staff think about getting involved with it?
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Mattison worked for both.||
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Well, since Brian believes that||
"Variety" makes the blog better than the press, I'll ignore your advice.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Philosophy seems to be run the ball||
Yes, he was asked about this in the post-game presser, and his response was something along the lines of they thought they could win running.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Down south, when people meet you they ask you what||
church you belong to.
That's not usual up north, and I think most people's reaction would be NOYB.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Mullen has accepted 30 committments||
and he has only 19 seniors on his roster.
Math says this isn't the only kid who will be disapointed.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||And I count only 19 seniors||
on their roster.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Magnus - am I remembering correctly||
that their initial offers from Michigan were grayshirts? So when they got a scholarship it was an upgrade.
Unlike this case here at MSU which is a downgrade.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||re O-Line||
I'm sure he recognized the issue right away. But where, exactly, was he supposed to find experienced O-Line players to tranfer to UM to fill the holes? This isn't the NFL, where you can find free agents. You have to find players to transfer. But then they usually have to sit out a year (see Ty Isaacs) AND they have to be admitted to the school. It's not that easy to transfer to UM, which for example makes the JUCO transfers that other schools utilize an unlikely option.
As for one position group bringing down a team's performance isn't that, for example, a contributor to MSU's losses this year? I seem to recall reading that their DBs are not as exceptional this year as last.
And finally, I'm no football expert, but I was under the impression that the game depended a great deal on the lines. So I'm not sure how effectively one can scheme around a lack of bodies and/or experience on the lines - offense or defense.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||His results have pretty much||
parallelled the decline in average age on the O-Line. I'm sorry, that declining age isn't on him. And we have another example of the effects of poor O-Line recruiting (due to sanctions in this case): look at how Hackenburg's production has declined this year due to the lack of O-Line (IIRC, 2 of their starters are converted DL.)
Magnus is in the forefront on criticizing Hoke on not taking a QB in 12. But are you really so sure that taking any QB, just to have a QB, in 12 would have fixed things now? Isn't Bellomy the counter to your argument? Oh, and they did look for another QB - remember the search for a grad transfer/juco transfer? But nothing panned out.
But what's really killed them this year is the interceptions and the dropped passes. You can look at game after game where if the ball hadn't been turned over/dropped so much some losses could have been wins. It's not as if they've been coaching that. And there has been speculation that Gardner's performance has been hindered by injuries. As for Morris, maybe he's not the answer. Or maybe a QB who had mono in his SR year of HS and is working with the 2nd OC in 2 years shouldn't be expected to be ready to start in his 2nd year.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Recced you for the 1st paragraph,||
up until the Gardner bit.
People DON'T consider the impact of youth enough. They keep saying that they are tired of it, that plenty of other teams win with youth.
Well, UM has the 2nd youngest roster in the Big 10, next to Penn State.
There are only 12 seniors, and only 2 of them are on offense - Gardner and Burzinski, who hasn't started this year.
I usually find that the "other teams win with youth" arguements don't hold water when investigated. Someone recently claimed that school X (I forgot which one) was winning with 12, or more, freshman playing on offense. Well, when you checked the depth chart all the starters were SRs or JRs, with 1 SO. The freshmen showed up on the 2 and 3 deep. If your starters are almost exclusively upperclassmen, especially on the O-Line, I don't think that's "winning with youth."
|1 year 12 weeks ago||I really believe transition costs are being underrated in most||
pros & cons.
You can dress it up however you want, but the beef with Brady Hoke boils down to he hasn't won fast enough.
Now, he got 1 more year than RR, so I guess that's progress. But I simply don't see this fan base putting up with another 3, 4 years of transition. I really think whoever comes in has to be able to win with the roster Hoke has assembled within 1, 2 years. Any coach who wouldn't find the players for his system on the current roster IMO won't be able to win fast enough (and based on comments on this blog I'd say fast enough is basically the Urban Meyer level of winning.)
Really, with the youth (UM has the 2nd youngest roster in the Big 10) and talent, if UM can't hire this type of coach then as unpopular as it is you might as well give Hoke another year and see what he can do whith his first senior class (2011 shouldn't count, as it's the hybrid Process class) and a QB recruited for his system. I may be wrong, but didn't Brian argue at the beginning of Hoke's tenure that the fan base should be patient in the face of being too impatient with RR and see what Hoke could do with his 1st seniors, since Bo's position was a coach should be given 5 years before being judged?
|1 year 12 weeks ago||As a player, Pearson was recruited by Tech & UM||
He chose Tech.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||But are they really perfect?||
Sure, they have high winning percentages. But Saban uses oversigning and St Saban's to help achieve that. And even Bama fans joke about punishment for infractions is dependent upon a player's position on the depth chart.
While Meyer seems to have recruited more than his fair share of problem children. (Hernandez is at the top of this list.)
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Deleted||
Showed up in the wrong place
|1 year 12 weeks ago||You might want to listen to hoke's press||
Conference. He stated that he made the decision,, spoke with Hackett re it. Hackett told him it was his (hoke's) decision & the university stands behind it
|1 year 12 weeks ago||That doesn't mean anything||
Gruden, dungy, cowher, etc come up every time too. Sports writers probably have a macro set up with their names. But mentioning their names doesn't make them serious candidates
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Do you really have that low an opinion||
Of hoke's ethics? That he only disciplines players when the public eye forces it?
|1 year 12 weeks ago||See previous examples for possible responses:||
Csont'e York was suspended while being investigated, and dismissed from the team about a week after charges were filed.
Darryl Stonum was suspended from the team for a year and dismissed from the team about a week after he violated probabation.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Take up your beef with AD Martin & Coach RR.||
When Brandon & Hoke came on board there were no charges against Gibbon's and no sexual misconduct investigation.
It was only later, after the sexual misconduct policy was revised, that a misconduct investigation was conducted. And based on the leaked information,once that investigation resulted in findings against Gibbon's, he no longer played.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Excuse me.||
Hoke isn't the coach who didn't recruit sufficient O-Line players, which shortage Michigan has been suffering from this year and last.
At another university, Hoke would have had the option of recuiting JuCo transfers to fill the gap. But that's not a viable option at Michigan, so he had to recruit freshman and wait for them to mature (4 or 5 years.) Next year the O-Line will finally have 4 upperclassmen starting, the most since 2012.
And to forestall the "the O-Line hasn't developed,"yes, it has. There is a noticable improvement from last year to this, and from the beginning of the season to now. It does take SOME time to develop O-Line men, and 2 of the O-Line men are in only their 3rd year with the team, and 1 is in his first!
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Disdain & dismissiveness?||
Sounded like the truth to me.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Not ncaa's jurisdiction||
This is a legal matter. State ag/doj are probably the interested parties
|1 year 12 weeks ago||"his track record isn't nearly as impressive"||
His track record is 20 years shorter
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Yes||
And he apologized to hoke, and asked the ad to apologize on his behalf to the rest of the student athletes
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Do people even research before they make statements||
It took Schiano 5 years to get a winning record (oh, and the 2 previous years were a downward trajectory.)
In his 11 years at Rutgers his record was 68-67.
This seems awfully similar to Hoke's record before he was hired at Michigan.
And Hoke's record at Michigan is 31-18, which is deemed fireable by the MGOBLOG community.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Like it did from 55 to 75||
But this time the school has more than 2 games broadcast a year, and the TV money to go with that
|1 year 13 weeks ago||I'm calling BS||
Their 1st team on offense is all JRs and SRs with the exception of one SO. When you go to the 2 and 3 deep is when you find freshmen.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||That's your opinion.||
Seth did some analysis on when Oline players can be expected to be good, looking at UM 1993-2011. [http://mgoblog.com/content/hokepoints-when-will-o-line-be-ready] Answer: only 1/3rd will be solid+ by their 4th year.
UM's 2014 O-Line:
LT: Cole, FR
LG: G. Glasgow, RS JR (and former walk-on)
C: Miller, RS JR
RG: Kalis, RS SO
RT: Braden, RS SO
|1 year 13 weeks ago||The amount of talent that hoke||
Inherited is debatable
|1 year 13 weeks ago||It's the 25th percentile score||
But the president did say something in his remarks (don't have the exact quote) expressing a concern about admitting kids who can't do the work
|1 year 13 weeks ago||His statment was||
"The past two years have gotten better, but before that the graduation rates were terrible, with football somewhere in the 50s and 60s." So the transition year would seem to be included in "before." Could be even earlier, as MGOBLOG used to report on APR during the RR years, as it was concerning.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Based on Schlissell's comments to The Daily||
wrt APR and graduation rates, I believe this needs to be examined for all CC candiates. Since the president is on record this way, no point in selecting a coach who can't get his recruits admitted. [See Demar Dorsey]
A quick look at Utah State shows that its APR hasn't been so good. It was 912 in 2004 (1st year in online database.) Now, it has improved through 2012, to a current high of 988. The average during Anderson's tenure is 965.
As a school, Utah State is much less selective, accepting 97% of applicants. Minimum SAT scores are about 150 points lower than Michigan
He only has 1 full season at Wisconsin, so hard to judge that. Wisconsin is harder to get into than Utah State, but is still easier than Michigan.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Nice post.||
I know that there's no convincing anyone. But I get tired of all of the lazy/revisionist comments. I really should lose my password.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Is Saban really that amazing?||
I know that he's won several MNCs while coaching in the SEC. But the SEC permits over signing, he's exploited the medical loophole, and LSU and Alabama aren't as difficult as Michigan.
In the Big 10, where you can't oversign, his record at MSU was 34-24-1. He only had 2 winning seasons in his 5 years, with his last and best being 9-2.
In the NFL, his record is only 15-17.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Re Ohio State.||
Tressell was the coach for 9 years. He had a system & his players in place. Fickell was hired initially as interim & served as headcoach for 1 year. He was a blip. Urban Meyer was hired on 11/28/11. The NCAA gave Ohio State special permission to let him start recruiting while Fickell finished coaching the season, even though technically that put them 1 coach over NCAA limits.
At Michigan, it is MGOBLOG's position that Carr did not recruit well his last several years. This, and transfers, "left the cupboard bare for RR." RR ran a different system than Carr did and recruited a different style of player. The 2011 class was the hybrid Process class. Between 2009-2011, Michigan's coaching staff recruited 6 offensive linemen. There are 5 players on the Oline; because they are highly technical positions it takes recruits 4 to 5 years to become good players; and about 50% of recruits don't really pan out. [Numbers from diaries by Seth &/or the Mathlete.] PSU's 2014 team, where the Oline is feeling the effects of severe scholarship reductions, looks very similar performance-wise to Michigan's 2013 Oline, which had the last 2 seniors from RR's recruiting classes. Michigan's current coach had to restore Oline recruiting & his most senior players on the line are RS JRs from the 2011 hybrid "Process"class with modest star ratings. Objective individuals with coaching experience have indicated that the Oline has shown improvement during the season.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||100,000 record only goes back to nov 75||
The stadium has seated 100k or more since 55
|1 year 13 weeks ago||It's a physical game||
And isn't "just Hoke's" teams.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||Tech just extended Pearson||
To the 20-21 season.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||MLS as the anti-corporate?||
The FIRST thing that comes to mind for me wrt soccer is the advertising in huge letters across the front of the jerseys.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||There are many counter arguments to what you've written.||
But for me, the highlight is the cognitive dissonance between your assertion that the AD was fired because he's an ass, and the board clamoring for a coach in part because he is an ass.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||55-6, really? Bo only averaged 34 points per game against||
Indiana. Guess you've been calling for UM's coaches to be fired since Yost.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||Hoke was asked specifically about the end of the half||
in the post game presser. He eplained his reasoning. You may not agree with his strategy, but "bungled" might not be the best characterization.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||What did he inherit, roster-wise, when he arrived at||
Stanford? For example, from what you've said/what the numbers show, passing didn't improve until he got"his" quarterback." And until "his" quarterback was in his 2nd year.
I'm especially curious wrt the defensive roster. Changing DC's every year? Is that because they weren't getting it done, or were they dealing with youth like UM has ben on offense, and maybe some of DC churn might be better attributed to impatience?
|1 year 14 weeks ago||re Your indirect criticism that the football S&C||
staff don't use things such as yogo.
Have you readmaizemama's diary on the women's football academy? http://mgoblog.com/diaries/2014-womens-football-academy
A key quote from her diary re S&C: "They also have optional yoga on Tuesdays and 30-40 guys do that."
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Another Demar Dorsey?||
When Pepper's is attending UM and has played in several games?
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Ok||
Pink mouth guards are a step too far. They look like a pacifier. Obviously not enough women in decision making positions in the AD's office.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||No, it's not illegal.||
Some small portion of Saban's salary is paid by the school. The rest is paid by the boosters.
And Alabama isn't the only school that does this. Before Saban was hired, when Alabama was wooing RR,WV's GOVERNOR worked the phones to raise the money to help keep RR at WV.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Poor analogy||
For several reasons
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Not so much||
of that on this blog recently.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Which does not make him unique.||
For example, Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald is also tight-lipped about injuries, only saying that it's an upper or lower body injury.
The interesting question is why did Michigan reduce the amount of info they'd release on injuries this year as compared to previous years? For example, last year Hoke would admit to player X having a boo-boo. I myself wonder if it has something to do with privacy issues. Supporting this suspicion is the article that Angelique(?) ran after the 1AM press release, explaining all the layers of review and signature the release went thru, inlcuding Shane Morris & his parents OKing the release of his medical info.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Or maybe the lesson to take from Kill||
is that the internet was all Fire Kill! He can't win! Fire Kill! His illness is a distraction! Fire Kill! He can't coach effectively with his illness!
Then Minnesota beat Nebraska in 2013, getting the signature win that Kill believed the team needed. And this year they are already bowl eligible, for the 3rd year in a row, and are leading the Big 10 West. And now the internet is all what a good coach he is.
But you know what? Someone said this in 2011: "Jerry Kill is a tremendous football coach. He and I both have MAC ties, and he'll have his group ready." That someone was UM coach Brady Hoke. So maybe, just maybe, we should take what the internet says with a grain of salt, and give a little more credence to what coaches say about their peers.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||In last night's radio show, Jim B.||
specifically asked about Shane, and Hoke said that Shane is the backup QB for the MSU game.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||See PearlW's post.||
I agree, that's what Hoke said on radio last night.
You'll note that the only exact quote in Snyder's tweet is"some guys." As an aside, why would anybody on this board assume that anything from the Freep is accurate?
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Welcome back.||
I missed not having a recipe last week.
Best feature on the blog.
The recipes keep getting better & better.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Yes.||
It's amazing howmuch similarity there is between the fans/boosters comments in these exmples and current Michgian fans/booster comments.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Read maizemama's diary||
Those sound pretty much like the goals/metrics nussmier mentioned in his presentation at the women's football academy
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Bo had 2 heart attacks while coaching um||
The 1st in 69
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Read Maizemama's women's football academy diary.||
I don't think Hoke posted the sign reminding the players that MSU are the state champions because he wants to downplay the MSU game.
But I also think he isn't interested in creating bulletn board matriel at press conferences.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Oh, I don't know||
Seems like hoke's ball state coaches did pretty well against 2006 michigan
|1 year 16 weeks ago||10 years ago includes 4 years of Carr.||
Shouldn't the Board's collective brain go tilt, since RR's "offensive genius" scored fewer points than "stagnating in the 2nd half of his career" Carr?
I suppose the more rationale board members would point out that MSU's coach during the Carr years was John L Smith. RR's and Hoke's teams faced teams coached by Mark Dantonio.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Well, Woody did go for 2.||
'cause he couldn't go for 3.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||If you had read Heiko's interview with Borges,||
you would know that Hoke makes the call on 4th down.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Hmm...I seem to recall that a certain||
Tackle had a bunch of stupid penalties during the 2010 season
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Don't know about the clipboard||
But I know that hoke does not stand apart from the coaches - there are too many pictures of him & matti son talking during the game
|1 year 16 weeks ago||What, in Schlissel's remarks at the||
Regents mtg, makes you believe such an abrupt, even reactionary, move would be made?
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Actually, what may have more bearing||
Is Schlissel's remark that "There are a number of additional issues facing the athletics dept that will require a longer-term approach as we work to establish the right balance..."
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Per mlive story, one of those things||
Is reducing price of student football tickets
|1 year 17 weeks ago||I wasn't aware the Michigan's coaches said things like that.||
I thought it was the fan base.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||I know, like they can talk.||
If your 8:00 calc & physics classes were anything like mine, the guys arived at the last minute, unshaven & wearing clothes that were maybe one step up from pjs.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||My understanding is that it's a long-standing tradition||
for the Slippery Rock score to be announced during games, and it's one of those inexplicble things that the fans have latched onto. And Slippery Rock gets a kick out of it.
I believe this will be the 2nd game Slippery Rock has played at Michigan Stadium.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||This staff hasn't figured out any part of an offense in 4 years||
And maybe, just maybe the fact that there are 2, count 'em, 2 freaking seniors on offense this year, 1 of whom is a walk-on, has something to do with "hasn't figured out any part of an offense"
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Greenberg is a corporate shill.||
If's he's arguing for 2 SEC teams in the playoff, then that's what the suits at ESPN want.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||It was a high risk/high reward decison.||
Given the practice/school limitations the coaching staff knew that Gardner could only prep for 1 position: WR or QB.
Given the state of the roster, and a desire to win, was the best use of an athlete like Gardner (a) back up QB who only starts if the 1st string QB can't or (b) WR who's starting every game?
They went with B. Up until Nebraska, they went 5-2. Robinson gets hurt in the Nebraska game, and they have to play Bellomy, and they lose.
They switch to Gardner as QB the next game and go 3-2 (including the bowl game).
The fanbase is criticising this decision knowing what happened. But the coaching staff didn't know how the season would play out when they made the decision. Hoke is being criticized heavily right now for being a "dinosaur" and not being aggressive enough with his decisions (see field goal v. go for it on 4th down in the Rutger's game); how about giving some credit where credit's due wrt to the Gardner as WR decision? After all, even if may have cost UM 1 win, Hoke still lead the team to a better record than RR saw at UM in his 3 years.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||When will people stop||
With the "hoke won't make changes due to loyalty."
|1 year 17 weeks ago||I wouldn't be so fast||
to assess Doeren's tenure at NIU as "Urban Meyer at Bowling Green llike."
Bowling Green prior to Meyer: Bowling Green's previous coach was there for 10 years, had only 2 winning seasons, and the last 6 were losing, with the last 2-9.
NIU prior to Doeren: previous 2 coaches had 8 winning seasons in the 10 season's before Doeren's hire. 4 bowls in the last 5 seasons before. Last 3 seasons went 6-7, 7-6, 10-3.
Seems to me that Doeren inherited a better program from Jerry Kill (yes, Jerry Kill coached NIU from 2008-2010 prior to being hired at MN) than Urban inherited from Gary Blackney.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||The nerve of Hoke,||
not cutting players like Saban.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||2011?!||
So now we're blaming Hoke for The Process? For Pete's sake.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Perspective is lacking.||
Brian, you write stuff like this:
"This was the best performance from a Michigan offensive line in a long time.
I have no idea why this happened or if it is replicable. When we've seen this happen on this team for one particular unit, the next test generally sees the unit implode."
And based on what you've written the last week+, my take away is that you blame it on incompetent coaching and Dave Brandon.
However....Seth wrote a diary back in Jan 13 where he analyzed when the O line, where many knowledgable football people believe an effective offense begins, could expect to be ready.
The starting line last Sat consisted of 3 star Miller and 2 star Glasgow class of '16; 3 star Braden and 4.7 star Kalis class of '17, and 4 or 5 star Cole, class of '18. (Classes from MGo depth chart.Walk-ons assumed to be 2 stars.)
Seth's analysis projects that a 2 or 3 star Jr/Sr has a 23% chance of being a "solid starter," a 4 star So/Jr has a 31% chance and a 3* So/Jr has a 14% chance of being a "solid starter, " and a 5 star freshman has a 19% chance of being a "solid starter."
Looks to me that expectations are unreasonable for the current Oline given its age and star rankings.
2014 Penn State's Oline seems to be a good cross check for 2013 Michigan's Oline performance, with both lines suffering from a lack of stars and upperclassmen - Penn State due to the severe scholarship reductions (65 scholarships total) and Michigan due to prior unbalanced recruiting, and Seth's analysis.
I believe that it is prudent for the AD to be putting together a short list of coaching candidates since, even when taking the above into account, it seems for some reason that the wheels have fallen off this year. But the truth on Hoke & Cos. performance probably lies somewhere between 2011's hero and this year's goat. And thus isn't deservng of the vitriole reflected on the blog.
For 2015 and beyond it would probably be more beneficial to try to understand why/how a year like this happens. But hey, it's your blog, so as you were.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||All 2 of them?||
(Number may be slightly off, but since there are only 9 seniors on the Mgo depth chart, and at least 1 of them is a5th yr sr (Gardner), I'm probably not that far off)
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Didn't this also happen under Bill Martin,||
while stadium renovations were underway? Seems to me I've read about this on the board.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Can you imagine mi fans being||
This excited about a win. Put mi fans in the place of ole miss fans & it would be complaining about losing the previous 11 games, how the team didn't win by a large enough margin, how al wasn't really that good this year so the win doesn't count as much, eyc
|1 year 18 weeks ago||And what is stopping you from||
Welcoming the football team home, win or lose, after the Rutgers game?
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Hmm...||
One is a D1 athlete at a power 5 school who studies film as part of his job, with other power 5 players and coaches
|1 year 19 weeks ago||I know it's been hard to find,||
As it's buried under a mountain of fire Brandon/fire hoke.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||How do you acount for 50% of Hoke's wins at Ball State||
being on the road? And since they played 10 games against Big 10/ SEC schools, 9 of his away losses should be due to a MAC team being outclassed.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Again with the unrealstic expectations.||
If Texas couldn't buy Saban away from Alabama, he's not coming to Michigan.
We've seen how Miles plays every coaching search into a pay raise at LSU.
As other posters have stated, they'll believe Harbaugh leaves the NFL when they see it.
So, where does that leave Michigan? For a lot of reasons, it's extremely rare to see coaching changes mid-season. So unless Hoke loses the team, assume he's the coach for the rest of the season.
But that doesn't mean that DB isn't putting together a list of short list of head coach candidates. One advantage Michigan has this time is a balanced, talented roster, albeit a young one. So it's probably folly to hire the latest offensive guru whose claim to fame is a sytem that isn't compatible with the current players.So who out there is (a) looking to move up and runs a system that fits with Michgian's players or (b) would be willing to lateral and runs a system that fits with Michigan's players? And (c), Michigan Man or not, is a good fit with the Michigan/Big 10 culture?
|1 year 22 weeks ago||And if UM had won today,||
it would be the equivalent of an 11-0 season in the MAC by that reasoning.
Sounds like your problem is with the confernce, not the team.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||SC, did you see improvement from the scrimmage?||
For example, in your scrimmage analysis you said the following re the run game:
"They did look better running the inside zone. They more consistently got into their assignments. Unfortunately, they did very little once they got into their assignments. Feet stopped moving, they lost their punch and didn’t power through to finish drives through their feet, hips, and then upper body. At best, they stalemated."
Better, no difference?
|1 year 24 weeks ago||re "college potential"||
Ted Spencer, UM's admissions director, had the following to say in the recent SI article on Hoke:
"“He is looking for kids who will both academically be successful and whose character is strong enough to participate in Big Ten sports and represent the university very well,” Spencer says. “I’m very pleased with the kind of young men he is bringing to us. I give him an A-plus in that area."
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Seth wrote a Hokepoints addressing when||
the Oline might be good. http://mgoblog.com/content/hokepoints-when-will-o-line-be-ready
The first chart, examining almost 20 years of Michigan history, indicates that Oline players have been mostly backups in their 2nd and 3rd years. It takes 4/5years for them to be solid or better.
This years Oline, except for Miller, Glasgow, and Byrzinski, is all 3rd year or less.
Based on this, it appears unresonable to expect Funk to accomplish in 2/3 years what it took other Michigan Oline coaches 4/5 years to accomplish.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||I'm pretty sure||
the coach in the dorm story was Miles.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||It's availability, too||
App state moved from div 1-a to div 1. When you change divisions you have a lot of openings as it takes some time to be incorporated into your new opponents schedules.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||How do you "know"||
that Hoke doesn't like to redshirt? With the attrition that the program has experienced in the 2011 and prior classes and the resultant dearth of upperclassmen (somthing like only 25 juniors and seniors last year,), the program hasn't been in a position to afford redshirts, a fact which you admit ("I am on record I want almost all of our freshmen to redshirt <b>when we finally have our numbers up</>." [emphasis added])