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|1 day 14 hours ago||He has a nice comment about||
He has a nice comment about our lacrosse team in that article. Anyone know if Coach Paul had also offered him back when he accepted the OSU offer? Could he play both?
|3 days 7 hours ago||Coach Paul needs to teach||
Coach Paul needs to teach Mama G how to spell lacrosse.
Nice to the see the boys pulling away from teams that they were close with last year. Definite signs of improvement. Next step is playing close games with top-10 types of teams. That might still be two or three years away, which would still be fast for a new program.
Was wondering when Kyle Jackson was going to blow up in a game. Hadn't happened yet this season.
|1 week 3 days ago||You are projecting a loss to||
You are projecting a loss to Drexel? You're right, that will be a tough one. Although they did lose in a blowout to Albany today. I think Brown and St. Joe's could both be really tough as well. Hopefully these next two are wins. Even starting 4-1 with the only loss to one of the top teams in the country is a HUGE step forward.
|1 week 3 days ago||IrishLax, Really appreciate||
Really appreciate this post. I think you nailed it about the the ND team. I was hoping for an upset this week based partly on the GTown score and partly on Michigan's two blowout wins, but reality hit today. ND was a national finalist (and ACC champ, which is no joke) last year for a reason and is better this year. Michigan is a fourth year program with three recruiting classes and only one superstar.
The only thing that really surprised me was the faceoff struggles until Michigan apparently started using a pole there. They are an above average faceoff team. But that's often a matchup thing that can sometimes go either really well or horribly wrong despite prevous stats and match-ups.
It's way to early to say if JP is not the guy. As you say, the team is showing very steady improvement and from all reports they are blowing the doors off in recruiting (which Paul is ultimately responsible for) starting with their 2016 class. I played club with him and have so much respect for all that he's accomplished. But who knows? I'd love to see what he can do with a team that is loaded with ND level talent.
I am really happy to see this rivalry starting. As Michigan's program gets better, it's going to be great to see these games turn into battles. Congrats to Coaches Paul and Corrigan for getting it going.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Oosterbaan is definitely an||
Oosterbaan is definitely an advantage, but since the lights were replaced a few years ago I'm always amazed at how bright it is in there compared to the old days. Plus they painted the walls blue recently, which makes seeing the ball a lot easier than most indoor buildings (Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Ultimate where Detroit plays) that have white walls.
I may be wrong here, but I believe that Notre Dame practices and plays on a narrow field in Loftus as well, so the "tight confines" may not be such an advantage. They definitely have a track around their indoor field, so the building is bigger, but I believe they play the football sidelines.
Completely agree that the early season success is encouraging, but Notre Dame is a whole different level. Will be very interesting to see if the boys can hang.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Freddie Hunter. Also, even||
Also, even though he didn't play a ton and ended up playing football for Bo after a couple of years, Paul Jokisch was always throwing himself around.
|3 weeks 12 hours ago||"what set them apart was||
"what set them apart was undying school loyalty, a fatherly love of their players, and the utmost integrity off the field."
I think you just described Brady Hoke.
The characteristics you listed were all true of them and many other great coaches, but I believe what set Bo apart (and Woody to be fair) were personalities that were at once unassuming - not wanting to be celebrated, but at the same time filled a room. And they won. That always helps in the fond memories department.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||On a related and more serious||
On a related and more serious note, the lacrosse team actually has Gerald Ford's grandson Christian committed to their 2016 class. He's a top 50 recruit from San Diego. Pretty solid legacy situation there. Wonder if he'll wear 48?
|5 weeks 5 days ago||How is this unique? I don't||
How is this unique? I don't know of any college coach who misses a day for being sick unless it's a serious illness. It's part of the job and not all that weird.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Since when does Denver have||
Since when does Denver have just one D1 sport? Their two "major" sports (the ones they consider their big-time sports) are hockey and lacrosse. In fact lacrosse is preseason #1 this season and has made the final four a couple of times in the past few years.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||It was added because Brandon||
It was added because Brandon wanted to add it and because JP had built a monster of a club program that was successful both at winning and raising money. DB always said he was adding it for business reasons. He thought the growth trends showed lacrosse would be a much bigger sport in the future and wanted to be on the front end of that. The money that was raised was not nearly enough to endow the program. That would take 20 or 30 million at least. DB said it was just to offset costs the first couple of years.
If the average cost of a scholarship is about $50k, and lacrosse gets 12.6 (the NCAA limit), that would make the annual cost to the athletic department $630,000. Not insignificant, but won't break the bank.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Can't answer that, but I do||
Can't answer that, but I do know the team won the department's community service award two years ago. Since then they switched to recognizing individuals, and Jeff Chu was one of the winners last year. So they take that role seriously.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Only the 3rd varsity athlete||
Only the 3rd varsity athlete or are you including all athletes? Abdul was on the varsity-club lacrosse team. Won the Rhodes and the Marshall and was commencement speaker in 2007.
|16 weeks 7 hours ago||Football and basketball||
Football and basketball generate net revenue, although you could remove the basketball revenues and barely notice the hit to the overall budget. Hockey is more or less break-even and made money in the Big Chill year because of that one game. No other sport at Michigan makes more than it spends.
But it's not quite that simple. Facilities are paid for mostly through donations. Some scholarships and coaching positions are endowed. Other revenue sources bring in a lot (BTN, donations, sponsors, etc.).
I do know that in the case of lacrosse the first few years of operating expenses were covered by donors. I know this because I'm one of them (although my check was pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things).
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Maryland lacrosse, both men||
Maryland lacrosse, both men and women, are also very good.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Obviously none of you, in||
Obviously none of you, in fact, played lacrosse.
LaCrosse = city in Wisconsin.
lacrosse = sport
no capital C
Sorry, pet peeve. Back to discussion...
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Or even the lacrosse team.||
Or even the lacrosse team.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Varsity lacrosse||
Varsity lacrosse (obviously).
Night football games. I wish we played one or two every year. Best atmosphere I've seen in my 50 years of going to games. The wins in those games don't hurt.
Support for all non-revenue sports. Important to remember that new facilities come from donor gifts, not from ticket revenues. Many of those donors wouldn't give for other causes. They want to see their names on buildings and/or direct their money that way. More power to them. Also important to note that while lacrosse is a non-revenue sport, they raised a ton of money on their own to kickstart the varsity program and probably brought of lot of additional potential donor support in the future.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||Partly devil's advocate here||
Partly devil's advocate here and partly just asking questions...
Does Alabama charge less for student tickets? If so, what are their student fees? Michigan finally raised student fees last year to help pay for desperately needed new recreational facilities, but they are still far below the national average I believe. A lot of schools charge huge student fees to cover part of the athletic budget and recreational sports, which is basically taxing every student for sports whether they attend games or use facilities or not. Michigan does not do that. They charge more for the students that want to attend instead. (Not saying one is right or wrong - just different ways to fund the same things.)
Has Alabama attempted to endow coaching positions or the AD position? Do you believe they would turn that down if offered? I don't. It's not an uncommon practice at schools that have that kind of donor support. Many university positions and professorships are named. Even some presidencies.
From everything I've read the families of the football legends have bought into the program. Is there evidence out there that they haven't? Desmond Howard, the Ford family, the Harmon family all seem supportive, and I would guess the rest are too. I'm not in love with it and it doesn't bother me, but do we do damage to relationships with those important Michigan football families by removing the program?
How important are alternate uniforms to modern recruiting? I don't know. By limiting those or removing them, do we handicap recruiting, especially at a time when we could use all the help we can get in attracting and keeping top talent committed.
I can't come up with any challenging questions about the piped in music. I like the band whenever they aren't dancing.
Agree completely on the non-revenue sports. There's a balance though between how much we can cut and how much we can provide. If I had a beef with naming the AD or HC positions, for example, but had to chose between that and providing the new lacrosse facility or an expanded academic center, I know what I'm choosing. (By the way, I am willing to offer up my user name as a naming opportunity. The Stephen Ross laxalum has a nice ring to it.)
|22 weeks 5 days ago||I am in love||
that is all
|31 weeks 10 hours ago||Inside Lacrosse had||
Inside Lacrosse had Michigan's 2016 class in their top 5, along with Duke, Hopkins, UNC and Virginia. Pretty good company for a program this young. That seems to be their first really big-time class, which makes sense as it takes some time to catch up with the big boys.
By the way, one of the highly ranked 2016 commits is Christian Ford. His grandfather wore #48 for the football team and accomplished some other significant things in his life too.
From all indications they are following up with another top class with 2017s.
Michigan is Michigan, but it's impressive that they are getting this done with no facilities yet and very few wins.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||This thread always turns into||
This thread always turns into an argument about who makes the best valued sandwich in town, but to me AK47's is the response that nails it. Zingerman's is about a lot more than grabbing a sandwich to a lot of people. If you're a foodie hater then you're not going to like the place. It's all about great food, and it's made for people who appreciate tasting 10 olive oils to find the right one or having a passionate employee educate you (and provide tastes to back it up) on cheese production as you look for the perfect one for a special occasion. If what I just wrote pisses you off, then Zingerman's is the wrong place to go.
I don't usually get a Reuben when I go to Zingerman's or to Maize and Blue or any other deli, but when I taste similar sandwiches at each place I don't detect a huge difference...except for the bread. Zingerman's wins there hands down in my opinion. If you disagree, more power to you. They aren't the only deli that deserves to be in business.
My favorite times at Zingermans are in the morning for breakfast, something I do every time I'm back in town. It's quiet. If the weather is nice you can sit outside. They have really, really good coffee.
For the record, I'm a big fan of Dibella's and love a good Wreck at Potbellys as much as the next red-blooded American.
|43 weeks 6 hours ago||First two classes were ranked||
First two classes were ranked about 20. Not sure where the 2014 or 2015 classes are ranked, but they crushed it with their 2016 class which is in the top 5 right now along with the usual suspects like Duke, Virginia and Hopkins.
|43 weeks 4 days ago||It's a great sport to watch.||
It's a great sport to watch. I've been able to make it back to two games in the Big House, and it's definitely a "Wow" experience. As in...wow, is this place empty. One of those was the spring game day two years ago when I think they had 5,000 at the lacrosse game, a solid crowd for any UM sport not called hockey, basketball or football. But even then the place felt pretty empty, as you can imagine. Yes, they do use the video boards. The replays help a lot. They are planning on building a lacrosse stadium which I would assume won't have 109,901 seats. If it's the right size I hope that lacrosse eventually becomes a fan experience similar to hockey in Yost. The sports are so similar, it's a definite possibility. Of course the fact that half the season is played in the winter doesn't help either. Lacrosse season should be March - June, not February - May.
|43 weeks 4 days ago||3 years of recruits, not 4.||
3 years of recruits, not 4. The first year they didn't have any. But that is a good point about the classes improving. Inside Lacrosse has their 2016 class ranked in the top 5, which is huge for the program but won't impact them for a few years. To compete with the big boys consistently they will need some of those kinds of classes.
|43 weeks 4 days ago||I'm pretty happy with how far||
I'm pretty happy with how far the team has come so far. They have overcome a lot of challenges (true transition from club to varsity, youth, key injuries, brutal schedule, no facilites of their own, only two recruiting classes so far, etc) to show obvious improvement, both in their record and with the eye test. This is not a sport where a new team can storm right into ECAC or Big Ten championships and Final Fours, but the trend is positive and by all accounts recruiting is going very well. The next step is probably playing in more close games against top 30 teams and winning one or two of them. If they can make the Big Ten tournament next year, which would mean finishing above Rutgers and one of either Ohio State or Penn State, that would be a hell of an accomplishment for a team without four recruiting classes on the roster. But I don't think a lot of people expected them to make the ECAC tournament this year, so who knows?
It will be interesting to see how they schedule next year. If the past three years is any indication, there won't be too many games they are favored in. We know we are getting Hopkins, Maryland, PSU, OSU and Rutgers. Will the other 9-10 games include ACC, Ivy and Patriot level teams, or will they fill it out mostly with bottom 20 teams?
|46 weeks 3 days ago||Aside from High Point, have||
Aside from High Point, have they lost to a newer program? And remember that HPU has one more recruiting class and was on the road. You could say they shouldn't lose that (I wouldn't yet), but conversely you could say they shouldn't beat Detroit or Bellarmine at this point, which they did. Or they shouldn't play teams like Cornell, Fairfield and Air Force (who beat Fairfield today) as close as they did. This team isn't that talented yet, and as young as they are they are wildly inconsistent.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||Disclaimer: I played with||
Disclaimer: I played with JP
It's a fair question, although I personally know him to be an outstanding coach, and you won't find a guy who loves Michigan more. The answer is, it's too early to know. They have two recruiting classes in with better ones on the way. Lots of young guys and former club guys on the field. There's no question the team is improving. They are much better than they were last year. It would take any coach some time to build, especially starting with a club roster, no facilities, etc.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||True. Raffa was out. But||
True. Raffa was out. But Lott has already had very good days against some top faceoff guys (Kennedy at Hopkins and Tesoriero at Cornell). It's very hard to dominate in every game at that position. So much of it comes down to rythym or that particular match-up of techniques. I thought he had a below average day yesterday by his standards.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||You're right||
Don't need. We don't need a 109,901 seat football stadium or a revamped Crisler either. But we have those things in order to be successful enough in those sports to create the revenue necessary to build things like lacrosse stadiums (or to add lacrosse in the first place). Why did we build the wrestling practice facility or redo the baseball and softball stadiums for that matter? They will get a lacrosse facility because the mission in Ann Arbor is to be the best and the resources exist to make a good run at getting there.
I agree with Wahoo that from a recruiting standpoint a dedicated facility is a much better draw than playing in Michigan Stadium. I've played lacrosse in empty college and pro football stadiums. It's cool once. Then it kind of sucks.