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|1 day 12 hours ago||A week too late? Did I miss||
A week too late? Did I miss the NCAA tourney? Honestly you basketball debbie downers are unbearable. Caris is exactly the type of player who can keep the offense from going into slumps. I'd love for the team to end the year with a run just so the Beilein haters would find something else to bitch about.
|2 days 8 hours ago||I get wanting excellence, but||
I get wanting excellence, but I would put Izzo ahead of Knight when it's all said and done, so you are talking about finding a once in a lifetime coach. I truly don't think people understand the institutional challenges at Michigan. Not only is it harder to get the big time recruits, it's harder to replace them, and while I would applaud a Gregg Marshall hire I don't know if his style of recruiting would work at U of M or if he might step his game up only to run into the same barriers Coach B has. I don't think it's as bad as people are making it, but due to the complexity of Beilein's system or other factors, it does seem like it takes him longer than others to adjust.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Only 12 current coaches have||
Only 12 current coaches have been to more Final Fours than Coach B. 14 have been there once which means only 27 current coaches have even been to the Final Four. Out of 351. Some of you underestimate the difficulty of sustained basketball success. Some of you have set the bar too high. And to date, other than Marshall and Miller, no one has named a better option, and Marshall has already turned down more money to coach at a bigger program for Wichita State. Basketball isn't football and basketball has been sanctioned already which further limits a program that already has to go head to head with Tom Izzo. I'd rather back a guy who's proven it before than constantly bitch with no good solutions.
|2 days 11 hours ago||To be fair, the time with||
To be fair, the time with Caris in the line-up was before some of their players improved, but your point is taken.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I've made it clear I'm not in||
I've made it clear I'm not in the firing Beilein camp yet, but for God's sake if he wants to defend without fouling he needs to hire someone with expertise in the 2-3, maybe a Boehim accolyte. Their man to man is God awful.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Who inherited a worse||
Who inherited a worse situation and did better? I'm just curious who these people are. It honestly seems so easy to turn basketball programs around.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Except I went line by line||
Except I went line by line and proved the coaches you named either weren't available at the time because they were unknown, would never be asked to come to UM because of shadiness, or simply had worse resumes. You completely failed in what you claimed was easy. No one is saying getting blown out by top teams is acceptable. What is needed is a reasonable assessment which you aren't giving. If it seems like I'm an apologist it's because I'm including the pieces of the puzzle that you conveniently leave out or dismiss:
Michigan lost 5 of its best players to the NBA. It is simply false to claim that most programs lose players early or that many early, because they don't. Find all the programs eho have lost that many and it better be more than half of division 1.
On top of losing that many players, his top players have been hurt two years in a row. Who knows how big of a difference this would make, but you brought up Izzo's team that only succeeded when they got HEALTHY. You must've forgotten all his bitching about "weird guys."
Quite simply it is hard to sustain success in college basketball anywhere, let alone when you have Tom Izzo in your backyard. You have utterly failed to find a coach with better success outside of bluebloods other than Gregg Marshall who has turned down bigger job offers on a yearly basis.
With all that said, I've been saying that if Michigan stays mediocre it is time to take a hard look at moving on in the next year and what's left of this season, but you at least have to let Coach B get through a year with his core players healthy before you ax him and if that happens whoever takes over better succeed in a hurry.
|3 days 17 hours ago||Based on what? Harvard is||
Based on what? Harvard is the outlier and out performing expectations by anyone's imaginations. They're 10th according to ESPN, so it seems you could make your statement about several teams in the country.
|4 days 5 hours ago||As far as coaches "who would||
As far as coaches "who would have done better," hypotheticals are stupid but let's do it:
Gregg Marshall: At the time of Coach B's hire he was hired at Wichita the same year and his name wasn't out there. Did have .700 winning percentage at Winthrop but got no further than the second round in the tourney at that point and his first two years at Wichita were worse than Beilein's first two at Michigan in a conference much tougher than the Big South. Doubtful that his name would have been on Michigan's list, let alone assuming he would've done better. This is, however, a reasonable suggestion.
Lon Kruger: This is laughable. In 43 years the guy has one Final Four appearance that happened 22 years ago. Two sweet sixteens and an elite eight and, oh yeah, one conference championship that he shared. GTFO
Jim Larranaga: Please. A Final Four years ago, a sweet sixteen and five conference championships.......in 31 years. Something tells me you'd be bitching about his "championship pedigree too.
Bob Huggins would never be allowed to come to Michigan and his success is underwhelming in comparison to the talent he's paid....err......recruited to play for him.
Same for Bruce Pearl who is not even near Beilein let alone Huggins who he's just as shady as.
Mark Turgeon?!: Really reaching now. Beilein just beat him and he has one conference title and one sweet sixteen in 19 years.
Brad Stevens: Had no name recognition when Beilein was hired because he took over an already successful program the same year Beilein was hired. There's no way U of M would have known to hire him, so bullshit on this one even though his record is phenomenal.
Same case for Shaka Smart: First job at VCU was after Beilein was hired. You think Beilein has peaked but you want Shaka? Bullshit on this one.
So you get one unlikely out of all the candidates you named, some of which have similar to worse resumes than the current head man. I sure hope you don't head up the next coaching search since you seem to be allergic to facts.
|4 days 5 hours ago||Again, he's coached at||
Again, he's coached at programs that didn't have basketball history or in Michigan's case was coming off sanctions. When he was at WVU the Big East was the best conference in the country. He won the B1G twice when it was the toughest in the country. He was a national runner up. So saying he doesn't have a championship pedigree is bullshit. Also, in a sport where one player makes a huge difference he has had injuries to his best players two years running. You have no clue how things will play out going forward. I don't blame you for thinking Beilein has peaked since it's easy to think that way when the program is in a valley, but with more development and one recruit panning out in a big way this team isn't that far from a run. As far as consistent success, Michigan is just a program that is going to be affected more by early NBA entry than other programs who have deeper roots or dirtier recruiting. Your whole argument is based on hunches or statements that lack context.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Well, despite the fact that a||
Well, despite the fact that a lot of coaches didn't have Coach B's resume at that time, or wouldn't come, or have ethical issues that would cause Michigan not to hire them, that's a pretty good list. Why don't we all name a bunch of hypotheticals? And feel free to discount small sample size and yet discount the complete randomness of the tourney or the fact that most programs don't lose their five best players over two seasons and still succeed at a high level or the fact that Michigan's best players have been hurt or the fact that Beilein has always recruited the way he does. We get it: You don't like Beilein. The bottom line is he's earned the benefit of the doubt to finish this year and get another. If he doesn't deliver in that time (Sweet 16 or higher, top 4 of conference next year), then I might be in your corner, but you literally bitch everytime Michigan hits a cold spell.
I guess I just have become content with things that won't change under Coach B. This doesn't mean I'm not frustrated by these things, they just aren't worth wasting time over:
Coach B emphasizes a low turnover, three point shot or layup preferred offense.
Coach B wants defense not to foul and the result at times is a defense that plays tentative and soft.
Coach B over compensates in protecting his players from fouling out by deploying auto bench.
Coach B does not seem to emphasize rebounding.
Many people have complained about the above, and that doesn't delegitimize those complaints, it's just that those things will never change so I don't waste breath on them. If we're talking results, this year has been frustrating in the amount of times U of M has lost convincingly. I'm not saying this doesn't go back to the coach, I'm saying I'm going to let the year play out and let Coach B be judged by something other than a small sample many fans get emotionally caught up with. The End
|4 days 6 hours ago||I completely agree. Why||
I completely agree. Why can't people have constructed short term critique without trying to make broad assumptions without knowing what they're talking about. Talk to me when Beilein doesn't succeed with everyone relatively healthy over the next couple years. Gotta love people trying to whitewash Coach B's most successful years.....
|4 days 6 hours ago||A national runner up and an||
A national runner up and an elite eight are not slightly above average. Conveniently leaving out the fact that our best player(s) have been playing hurt or out injured two straight seasons is a bullshit argument. I've seen teams lose to teams they are supposed to beat, so the fact that this team has yet to lose to a bad team is a bright spot.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Well then name a coach who||
Well then name a coach who isn't Izzo, Self, Coach K, Sean Miller, Roy Williams, Gregg Marshall, etc. I guess national runner up followed by an elite eight is mediocre since you want to type that out of Coach B's resume. You also have no contexgt to your argument, given that he turned around programs at powerhouses like Canisius, Richmond and West Virginia, none of which had any established successful infrastructure for basketball before he arrived. But go ahead: Name all the coaches, because while you have knowledge of all these coaches you haven't named one. Your entire argument has little substance and conveniently ignores facts counter to it.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Matta's success is mostly||
Matta's success is mostly behind him and recently his program has taken a downward turn, but he was extremely successful in his first few years. His style of basketball is pretty ugly, but his team's do play hard nosed. I think Beilein has his number, given last year's team beat them and they should win this year.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Remind me when Hoke fielded a||
Remind me when Hoke fielded a runner up team or a top eight team.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Amaker out recruiting Beilein||
Amaker out recruiting Beilein according to the rankings? Who gives a shit. Go root for Harvard then. Tommy Amaker with zero tourney appearances at U of M and who is killing it in the Ivy League. Good for him, he hasn't and never will out perform Beilein. You're such a troll, not to mention wrong about your statement. UM has the 25th class. Harvard is 27 which is fucking incredible for an Ivy school. Just fuck off with your outlier arguments.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Except he does go toe to toe||
Except he does go toe to toe with these guys, and in a lot of cases is in on a kid earlier than these guys and those guys still get the recruit. Thad Matta? Are you serious? Funny all the bitching about 3 star recruiting but when he develops a three star Trey Burke he gets no credit. Some of you negative Nancys need to at least let the season play out before jumping off a ledge.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Name one other program||
Name one other program besides Kentucky that sent five players to the NBA in two years and also suffered injury to their best player two years in a row after that. Perspective: It'd be nice for you debbie downer losers to have it after one tough stretch. Man, I wish we had gotten Pitino so our basketball program could be on the death penalty right now...... SMH
|4 days 7 hours ago||It's because when you don't||
It's because when you don't recruit using certain methods, since your program has been put on major sanctions once already, it affects your program more than others, not to mention two straight years of the team's best players being injured. You are such a fair weather fan. Michigan goes on a winning streak and you're nowhere to be found. Michigan loses to teams who are top 15 without their best player and post after post on why Beilein needs to go. GTFOH
|4 days 7 hours ago||Yeah, and you can name no one||
Yeah, and you can name no one who would have done better or is a for sure thing. Marshall has already turned down other offers. The other coaches mentioned have not accomplished what Coach B has. Reminds me of the Biblical story of manna. People really don't get the situation Beilein inherited or the rarity of success in the same state as another future hall of fame coach. Also, while it has been ugly at times, Michigan is without its best player. All anyone wants to do is bitch and moan and the only solutions offered are vague.
|4 days 8 hours ago||So, to all of the geniuses||
So, to all of the geniuses who know more than Beilein about basketball or who would/could hire someone better, tell me who could have the same success and run a clean program. Michigan has had sanctions in basketball so they would never risk it on a Coach Cal type. Izzo is in East Lansing.
Who could run a clean program and have the same success? I'm content with making periodical runs and making the tournament most of the time, but some of you think this shit is easy.
|4 days 8 hours ago||That's absolute bullshit.||
That's absolute bullshit. How quick people forget the tournament free streak throughout the Ellerbe and Tommy Amaker era. Is this team great? Far from it.
I'm not saying Caris would've made a difference, but it's unfair to judge Coach B with the injuries the last two years and five players leaving early for the league.
Coach B does not recruit dirty, and if you haven't seen improvement from last year to this year you either don't know basketball or are being selectively blind. U of M is 17-7 with one quality wins, and while they've been beaten soundly, they don't have a bad loss. This team was never going to win the B1G. They will make the tournament which is better than they were for "roughly 20 years." (And if they don't feel free to neg bang me).
I get that people expect the best because "This is Michigan," and losing to State always sucks, but honestly some of you have fucking amnesia. Not two years ago we were a buzzer beater from a second straight final four. If you think this is the same as the Amaker years you're a fucking idiot. College basketball is one of the hardest sports to sustain success and that's without Izzo in your backyard.
There is no reason to fire Beilein yet and there likely won't ever be, and I hope the next coach doesn't remind us how good the Beilein years were.
|4 days 12 hours ago||I think we need to pump the||
I think we need to pump the brakes justr a bit and see if the team can make a run if/when Caris gets back. After Indiana I honestly didn't expect this team to beat Staee. I think the bigs will get better and that they already have, but for some reason they haven't been shooting as well as a team. No matter how much we whine there's no way Beilein gets fired for at least another couple years.
|5 days 14 hours ago||Isn't he just giving props to||
Isn't he just giving props to Partridge?
N/M, I see he is counter punching Mike Dantoni in the face.
|5 days 16 hours ago||I like games at noon or at||
I like games at noon or at night. When the game is at noon you can enjoy the rest of the day's big time match-ups. When the game is at night the same applies and most of your day isn't ruined in the rare instance Michigan loses. When the game is at 3:30 you risk getting stuck behind a game that goes over its slot (God forbid a Big XII game) and you miss other big games you would otherwise watch.
Admittedly these are minor issues as there is nothing better than watching Michigan anytime, but those are my preferences.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Wow. Can't believe it's been||
Wow. Can't believe it's been that long and that Pearl Jam is still together. They are definitely one of my favorite bands.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Back to work indeed. Much||
Back to work indeed. Much like are beloved Jimmy, Brian has already quit celebrating and moved on to the '17 class. #crootin
|6 days 8 hours ago||I bet he goes pro but still||
I bet he goes pro but still works to get his degree. Just seems like he's that kind of kid.
|6 days 8 hours ago||Teddy G? Is that you?||
Teddy G? Is that you?