I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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|3 days 13 hours ago||Amazing how it takes Gus||
Amazing how it takes Gus Malzahn, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Art Briles, etc. so little time to rebuild. Michigan has rebuilt it's way to fewer losses each regular season, although if we beat our bowl opponent we will have the same record as last year with worse losses. But admitting that some coaches succeed immediately would totally undermine your image of Hoke as greatest coach ever.
|3 days 13 hours ago||So it's ok for your offense||
So it's ok for your offense to look awful most of the year even though the offense has the ability to put up numbers on a consistent basis? I'm so glad we run an offense that would have won us 10 games consistently, but instead we work on out powering the defense and being predictable so we can get better at this next year and the year after? Maybe I'm missing your point, but if your defense of Borges is based on some development of bread and butter in the future than I heartily disagree. If you aren't getting the most out of your offense every week than you don't deserve to have a job. I get saving plays against weaker competition, but that goes out the window in close games. I don't need a spread offense, just a consistent one, and Borges offenses have been predictable and literally insane most of the year, and that shit isn't going to work even when he gets "his guys." Great coaches make immediate and consistent impact, and Al Borges will never be a great coach IMO. I don't mind the framework of his offense, but his play calling has been awful for the majority of this season and about half the time he's been here. A few gems don't make up for the multiple abortions.
|3 days 13 hours ago||That statement is untrue.||
That statement is untrue. The people who say that the program is embracing mediocrity are frustrated that the program remains mediocre. Making no changes may keep continuity, but when the current staff has been getting bad results, especially offensively, it isn't unreasonable to expect changes and be disappointed by the lack thereof. To say that the coaches are also disappointed misses the point completely since they are the ones responsible for said mediocrity, but I guess pointing out bad results makes that person the one settling for mediocrity, not the coaches responsible for the, you know, actual results.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Except we have. And the very||
Except we have. And the very fact that you make that comment means something is wrong with Mr. Borges.
|3 days 16 hours ago||If the offense performs next||
If the offense performs next year like they did this year than the fire should be under Hoke's ass. Four decent offensive performances in twelve games is completely and utterly unacceptable, and if Hoke is unwilling to hold people accountable, than he needs to be held accountable.
|4 days 13 hours ago||When you have two NFL||
When you have two NFL tackles, a prolific QB, one of the best WRs in Michigan history and Funchess, you should never complain about personnel. Al Borges had two games this year where he came close to earning his paycheck and the rest looked like a tire fire. He shouldn't be retained IMO, but if yesterday was the rule and not the exception, "the writers here" probably wouldn't be upset.
|4 days 13 hours ago||Well written. I agree with||
Well written. I agree with pretty much every observation. I texted my uncle on their last offensive drive that I would go for two, so I'm still behind that decision 100%. The play should have been changed, but it is what it is.
Also, has Ohio ever had players this classless? I know they seem to always have a few gems, but the blatant disrespect makes my skin crawl. Woody was crazy and Tressel was a cheater, but I don't think they would have put up with half the nonsense Urbz revels in. I have a friend who is a Florida State alum, and he says Urban's players were pretty much similarly behaved at Florida sans Tebow. I understand emotions getting high, but the level of disrespect shown by many Ohio players should have no place in football.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Everybody's coming back.||
Everybody's coming back. Borges obviously undid everything he messed up in one game. We need to just shut up and support the staff because they're all going to be around for the next two years. Sarcasm aside, I've been maybe too critical out of frustration, but if I were coach I would fire Borges and Funk. I'm not the coach and I hope that next year is more ND and Ohio, less of everything else. If players get better and I feel like the team fights hard game to game, win or lose, I'm ok with the status quo. But yesterday's game just confirms, frustratingly, what this year could have been. I don't give kudos to coaches who have a one to six ratio in good to bad games.
|4 days 14 hours ago||I normally don't wish||
I normally don't wish anything bad on a player no matter what, but if Carlos Hyde suffers a career ending injury I won't shed a tear. Clark gets flagged for nonsense and he is hot dogging and taunting all game with, to a lesser extent, Braxton Miller. I wish Mattison had cheated toward the box or blitzed the edge just a bit more.....
|1 week 1 day ago||It's sad that our AD is a||
It's sad that our AD is a joke, and that they are more concerned about "their way" than with the overall success of the program. Dave Brandon had to have HIS guy and make HIS stamp on the program at the end of 2010. Hoke stubbornly supports Borges while Borges stubbornly runs a predictable offense that regresses. Both guys poo poo the spread offense.
I wish we had coaches who were really willing to take some blame for the program. I also wish our AD wasn't a money loving d-bag.
|1 week 1 day ago||Soberingly emo is better than||
Soberingly emo is better than deliriously optimistic. Some of us are sick of waiting for things to get better or carrying that banner as it seems we've been doing for 15 years.
|1 week 1 day ago||Other coaches have had more||
Other coaches have had more success with less.
Hoke has built his way to less wins each year.
Hoke's limited success has come with the previous coaches players.
If building a program takes time, why extend that time to Hoke but not Rodriguez? You can point to the records and I'm not necessarily against the firing of Rodriguez, but three years has been used to bash one coach while with another it "isn't enough time."
|1 week 1 day ago||Is it possible he was too||
Is it possible he was too busy coaching the O-Line? You know what, thank you for pointing this out, because since Patrick Kugler's (who is one of the few lineman who hasn't played this year) father obviously did a meticulous search to put his son in the right place, Borges and Funk are really geniuses. The offense just isn't talented enough. Everyone knows you need more than two lineman with NFL talent. The line has really gotten better when you put it under a microscope. Stats are way overrated. I can't wait until Borges gets all of his guys, because then this offense will show the country what Michigan is made of.
Seriously. Pat Kugler is your point. A guy who signed when things looked brighter and I am talking about right now. My first post in this thread makes more sense than all of yours combined.
|1 week 1 day ago||26-11 is not good enough, and||
26-11 is not good enough, and quoting records without context is stupid. The best players on the current team are Rich Rod recruits, and how surprising that the same people who rode him out of town now want to give Hoke the chance he never got.
|1 week 1 day ago||I agree with you. Poor word||
I agree with you. Poor word usage. I would say that Michigan's performance has fallen far below the expectations of the coaches, players and fans in the past 15 years. There have been few bright spots, but they have existed. What is being put on the field is not good enough no matter what the reason(s) are.
|1 week 1 day ago||You could literally almost||
You could literally almost hire anyone and it couldn't get worse.
|1 week 1 day ago||And your point is.... Kugler||
And your point is.... Kugler also signed on before things got even worse. I'm not disrespecting those who decide to sign. I'm just asking a logical question given what you can't avoid witnessing.
|1 week 1 day ago||Sure if it'll make you feel||
Sure if it'll make you feel better.
|1 week 1 day ago||All of which you can get in||
All of which you can get in other players. People would think Michigan is an undesirable location because of the dumpster fire that is the offense and the lack of improvement over time. And also the fact that Michigan has been largely irrelevant for a decade and a half.
|1 week 1 day ago||With all due respect, there||
With all due respect, there are idiot fans in any fanbase, but recruits are probably more influenced by what they see on the field. If you are an offensive recruit or the parent of an offensive recruit, and you don't have a Michigan background (or even do), what would make you want to sign with Michigan?
|1 week 1 day ago||Fuck Dave Brandon||
Fuck Dave Brandon
|1 week 1 day ago||Lost me at "buzzfeed." Was||
Lost me at "buzzfeed." Was Bleacher Report not doing a piece on The Game? Chatsports didn't have a take?
|1 week 1 day ago||If total loyalty at all times||
If total loyalty at all times is the only way to be a fan, I guess the direction of the program is irrelevant. If getting negative is the only way to affect positive change, then I think it's warranted in the case of Michigan football.
|1 week 2 days ago||Because to run a spread||
Because to run a spread offense makes your defense weak minded ninnies.
|1 week 2 days ago||Yeah, the coaches have||
Yeah, the coaches have nothing to do with constructing the offense and the offense sucking isn't even the reason we're losing.....
The OP needs to share the dope he's smoking with the board.
|1 week 2 days ago||Their legend was crazy and||
Their legend was crazy and involved in scandal.
Their last "great" coach was a pathological cheater and instead of shunning him like almost any other program would, they celebrate him when he returns.
Their current coach is a liar who abandoned his players at Florida when he couldn't succeed with them under a health ruse and has one of the weakest winning streaks in college football.
While it would be biased of me to think that Michigan deserves to win, I do feel that some teams deserve to lose, and I hate Ohio State mostly because they are the team that least deserves to win in the country. They are the epitome of the "win at all costs" culture of big time college football.
|1 week 2 days ago||It doesn't matter if Hoke is||
It doesn't matter if Hoke is right, especially when he's been subtly throwing his players under the bus all year. We didn't coach well enough, but it's all about execution. Changing O-Lineman like you might change your socks and rotating safeties. They congratulated themselves for adapting to the personnel in 2011, but now they are stubborn as mules and have always mocked a style of offense that might be most beneficial to the current players. And it's great how many of you point to the record as a support of Hoke. All 7 win seasons are not equal. Barely beating two of the worst teams in FBS is laughable and unacceptable. A loss on Saturday and it will mark the second straight year the team wins less than the previous year. The reason that many M fans stuck behind Rodriguez is that even though it wasn't good enough, at least you could recognize it was going somewhere. I have more confidence that Rodriguez could make a decent O-Line out of three TEs and two unranked lineman than this staff will do with there 4 and 5 star hauls, and that's sad.
Obviously everyone defines fickle for themselves. I can afford to occasionally attend games at the Big House. I will never root for any other team. I wore and still wear my Michigan fleece wherever I go, which is many places since I'm a salesman. I would argue that sometimes it is least fickle when you stand against things that you feel are ruining the program, even if those things are a bigger part of the program than you are. Everyone has their own line, but if it takes selling your ticket, not attending games, booing at games, writing e-mails, etc. to enact positive change for the greater good, than I consider that to be as solid and unwavering as a fan can be. I realize many fans think anything less than full support at all times is fickle or that anything less isn't "true fandom." These same people seem to cut down any push back or criticism against coaches or administration (not always).
Last week instead of watching the game, I went down to a craft brewery in Indiana, but I couldn't stop checking updates. It felt weird, and I know ultimately nothing I do individually will make a difference. But I do know that positive change doesn't happen in down times without fan push back. If you feel better as a fan because you supported everything the program does, so be it. If you like what you're seeing and what you're paying to get the "Michigan experience," fine. But don't expect other fans, who feel as strongly as you about this team and all the teams before, to respond in their own way, because for me and many others, to not criticize is to not care, and if that makes me fickle, so be it.
|1 week 2 days ago||Borges is Hoke's Tony Gibson.||
Borges is Hoke's Tony Gibson.
|1 week 4 days ago||I would fire Borges and hire||
I would fire Borges and hire the most innovative high school coordinator right now. A week without Borges might actually improve the offensive output.
|1 week 4 days ago||How can you abandon the team||
How can you abandon the team when you don't have any interaction with the team other than maybe getting as close as the stgadium to watch them? I feel bad for the players and I still hope they do well, but I am not behind a staff that doesn't put them in the best positions to succeed. But since I have nothing to do with decision making or play calling or lining up, how can I abandon them? If not supporting the staff (90% Borges) is equal to abandoning the team, then abandoning the team might actually be a good thing, and if enough people abandon the team a positive change might occur. Then again, Dave Brandon is still the AD so we're probably screwed for a long time....