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|3 hours 19 min ago||It's not as nonchalant as you||
It's not as nonchalant as you think. Under Carr (and I believe Bo and Mo as well), if MSU beat us, we'd hang an "MSU state champs" banner in the locker room - which wouldn't go down until we beat them.
|5 hours 22 min ago||Doubtful, given that we||
Doubtful, given that we played them in 2000 and won 14-0. We wouldn't wait two years to run up the score.
|21 hours 49 min ago||According to the 2002 box||
According to the 2002 box score, we had 35 points going into the fourth quarter and our final TD was scored by Tim Bracken, who carried the ball a total of 49 times in his Michigan career. Not really a prime example of running up the score.
|21 hours 56 min ago||Your notion of Michigan fans||
Your notion of Michigan fans being the trash-talkers in this rivalry does not jive with my experiences at all.
|21 hours 59 min ago||We dominated the 2003 game||
We dominated the 2003 game much more than the scoreboard showed. We were up 27-13 and driving when Navarre fumbled and it was returned for a TD - a huge swing that made the final score respectable.
Actually, almost exactly the same thing happened in the 4th quarter of the 2005 game as well. MSU tied it up on another defensive TD right when we were driving to put the nail in the coffin.
|1 day 2 hours ago||Maybe you're bringing bad||
Maybe you're bringing bad luck. We won three in a row there ('03, '05, '07) before you started coming.
|1 day 3 hours ago||I'm not sure how well you||
I'm not sure how well you remember those MSU teams. They completely mailed it in as the season went on. 2002 MSU lost 49-3 to us. As big as the disparity is between the teams now, I can't see us losing like that Saturday.
|1 day 3 hours ago||The football hire is at the||
The football hire is at the center of all this. It's much easier to justify super-high ticket prices if you have an elite coach. OSU's ticket prices are even higher than ours, IIRC.
|1 day 3 hours ago||If you read the post above,||
If you read the post above, the question was "Has MSU ever had a team as bad as ours in recent memory"?
Incidentally, they took us to OT in 2004 and 2005.
|1 day 3 hours ago||We gained 326 yards of||
We gained 326 yards of offense that day. It wasn't easy to move the ball, but not quite the struggle you're making it out to be.
|1 day 3 hours ago||MSU went 4-8 in 2002, 5-7 in||
MSU went 4-8 in 2002, 5-7 in 2004, 5-6 in 2005, and 4-8 in 2006, so take your pick.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Of course it'd save his job.||
Of course it'd save his job. But the indications are that he could never do this.
|1 day 3 hours ago||If Les Miles is sincere||
If Les Miles is sincere about wanting to come here, we've got to let go of the 20-year-old grudges and hire the guy if the Harbaughs don't work out. Les - even an aging version of himself - is a pretty nice fallback option.
|1 day 3 hours ago||FWIW, we were the underdog in||
FWIW, we were the underdog in 2005 and won.
|1 day 5 hours ago||2003 was one of the best||
2003 was one of the best Michigan teams on offense and defense (and placekicking) in the last 20 years. It just couldn't punt.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Hoke was a very good DL||
Hoke was a very good DL coach. In hindsight he may have benefitted from becoming a coordinator before being a HC, but there's no need to knock the job he did from 1995-02.
|1 day 6 hours ago||It was a clutch catch, but||
It was a clutch catch, but not a miracle. That kind of catch happens all the time.
Now, Roy Roundtree's catch against Northwestern later that year, that was miraculous.
|1 day 6 hours ago||The first two are misleading||
The first two are misleading because they include points scored in overtime. In regulation, it's
|1 day 21 hours ago||Therefore, having successful||
You accuse me of "ignorance" and then act like your imaginary example is representative of non-revenue athletes. Take another look at what our admissions standards actually are for non-revenue athletes, and what they actually are majoring in. I'll spoil it for you: the bulk of them would never have gotten admitted if it weren't for sports, and Sports Management and Communications is their most popular major.
Non-revenue athletes' academic credentials are generally better than those of the big three sports, I'll grant you, but still well below the student body average the large majority of the time. Don't act like they are offering the school some big educational benefit.
Giving scholarships to nonrevenue athletes is a quirky holdover from the days when tuition was cheap and it hardly mattered if a few kids got a free ride. It's now much harder to justify in the era of $50K out-of-state tuition. Giving them luxury facilities is even harder to justify. Title IX doesn't mandate that.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Division III sports are||
Division III sports are basically club teams. They bear little resemblance to D-I varsity sports.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Counterpoints||
There are many talented people in various endeavors who can't afford to go to college, but people with sub-standard academic credentials not only get admitted but get money because they can play an obscure sport. Is that fair?
Let's not kid ourselves. Scholarship athletes are 2% of the student body and mostly spend their time on the athletic campus, isolated from the larger community. Anyhow, non-revenue athletes are mostly white and upper-middle-class like the rest of the student body.
Why is that a good thing? Sports are far too overemphasized in our society today. Look at what they've done to generations of boys who thought athletics was their meal ticket and neglected their studies.
OK, but why do we need to give out scholarships for certain sports, and build them palatial facilities?
This does not require scholarships nor state-of-the-art facilities. For most of our school's history these sports had neither. Even football didn't have scholarships until the 1950s IIRC.
In other words, you don't have a daughter that loves field hockey. Not surprising, since few people follow field hockey.
No one is arguing this. What people are bothered by is that football ticket prices are continually increased to pay for non-revenue sports facilities.
Not like we are now. Non-revenue sports used to have to make do with merely adequate facilities instead of top-of-the-line ones.
Which suggests that Brandon's investments in these facilities is pointless.
No, let's get off our high horse and stop acting like these money-losing sports that no one follows are as important as football. It's one thing to field these teams, but when we start to treat them as equals to football, we end up with unsustainable $150 million athletic budgets that require football, basketball and hockey fans to pay exorbitant fees.
|2 days 4 hours ago||I don't agree with your||
I don't agree with your conclusion. Only 2% of U-M students are varsity athletes and non-revenue athletes are fewer still. The non-revenue athletes are in the same athletic bubble as the revenue ones, having closed practices at restricted facilities, and they are overwhelmingly recruited from high schools, meaning that the average student has little chance to participate - and thus has no incentive to get into shape. It's not like the average student can just walk up to a field hockey practice and take part.
Club sports, on the contrary, are true to the original spirit of intercollegiate athletics - they offer a chance to random students to join a team and participate, thereby reaping the benefits of regular athletic competition. They aren't a self-segregated little world away from the main student body.
BTW, women don't necessarily need more educational opportunities, given that they now make up 58% of all university students in the U.S., despite comprising only about 50% of the college-age population.
|2 days 6 hours ago||I think all starting division||
I appreciate that they work hard at their sports, but a lot of non-athletes work hard at various endeavors and don't get everything paid for either.
Nothing against wrestlers or other non-revenue athletes, but they frankly should be grateful for whatever partial scholarships they can get, given that their sports teams bring no discernible financial benefit to the university.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Except that a women's rowing||
Except that a women's rowing team is a bit more incidental to the well-being of the student body than, you know, a classroom building that has a functional heating/cooling system.
|4 days 2 hours ago||When it comes to the||
When it comes to the defensive side of the ball (as opposed to the offense), I do not give RR's staff much credit for the 2011 turnaround. Mattison related not long after his arrival that he pretty much had to teach his players how to properly analyze game film. Reading between the lines, the players didn't have a lot of good to say about the RR defensive braintrust either.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Izzo dresses up in a goofy||
Izzo dresses up in a goofy costume every year, usually reflecting the location of the Final Four for that season. (For instance, he dressed up as Davey Crockett when it was in San Antonio.) Whatever the costume, it seems like he is always the star of the show, not his players. I guess MSU fans are okay with it, but I wouldn't care for it.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Yes, it is incredibly||
The Minnesota game was 20 days ago. In the 24/7 news era that might seem like a long time but to a huge public university with set procedures to abide - and a new President who is gradually familiarizing himself with the school and its athletic department - it really isn't. Firing a man responsible for 29 sports teams and a $150 million budget is a major decision to make, and Schlissel strikes me as a pretty deliberative person. I think that is a good thing; I don't want our President making rash decisions and appearing to cave to public hysteria. It seems pretty clear where things are headed, regardless.
In the meantime we don't need to flip out. It's mid-October. There is time for things to get set in place. In recruiting parlance, this is the "dead period," and if you want to go after an NFL guy like Harbaugh, the dead period will continue through Christmas.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Why would the athletic||
Why would the athletic director appear at the School of Education commencement? Seems pretty random.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Stitt shouldn't be compared||
Stitt shouldn't be compared to Tressel at all. Tressel was an OSU assistant (under Earle Bruce) before he became Youngstown State's coach. That's a big difference. He knew their program and big-time football. He'd sold their program to recruits. Like Hoke, he was an ex-assistant "coming home" (though unlike Hoke, he'd won big). The one thing OSU fans knew they were getting in Tressel was a guy who absolutely knew the landscape in Ohio.
Stitt's a guy in the middle of nowhere, with no experience of major football anywhere, coaching future petrochemical engineers.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Those are secondary issues||
Those are secondary issues that would be aired much, much less frequently if the football team were successful. OSU is guilty of those same sins but the fans accept it as long as they win 10 games a season.
(Are people actually upset about Beyoncé saying "Go Blue"? I was impressed they managed to pull that off. The crowd ate it up when it happened.)