I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
|5 hours 35 min ago||Game threads are of full of||
Game threads are of full of idiocy. People come up with a lot of dumb things to say in the heat of the moment. I would not take that as a measure of the fanbase as a whole.
There is too much of this pre-emptive arguing ("This is for ___________") going on here in general. A lot of people - even some of the writers - are guilty of it. It just invites more arguing. ("I never said that. You're mischaracterizing my position...")
Just state your position. You don't need to pre-emptively defend it.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Not all points expired after||
Not all points expired after a year. It was only points accummulated in a very specific timeframe (under one version of the server, I think). Most of my points are still left over from the pos-bang era.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Yeah, just based just on what||
Yeah, just based just on what I've read here, it seems unfair to label M-Wolverine and Chitownblue as "concern trolls." They certainly were/are Michigan fans and while they could be contrarian, I thought they generally made fair points. Now, it's true that they could be argumentative, and I may have missed some of the stuff they said that really ticked Brian off (I rarely visit the recruiting threads and never saw the really controversial one). So I don't know, maybe the bans are in fact justified. In any event I felt like they did bring some good with the bad.
There is no doubt though that the level of civility here has gone down. Granted, I think it's tied to a large degree over frustration with the football season, but the moderation probably needs to come back. And if people are actually giving Brian crap in person, that's pathetic.
|1 day 12 hours ago||But that's the thing - we're||
But that's the thing - we're not (and I don't think we ever have been) a seeded team, which means that we've got to play one of the seeded teams in our group every time. Other than Switzerland, all of the seeded teams this year are really tough, as they usually are. At that point, you've basically got to hope for two crappy opponents to round out your group, and that's not too likely.
(This brings up my age-old rant that CONCACAF sucks. It may be easy to qualify for the WC from there, but it's terrible when it comes to actually preparing us to play in it, not to mention the fact that all its garbage teams are a drag on our ranking. There should be a single confederation for all of the Americas.)
|1 day 13 hours ago||It has a lot to do with the||
It has a lot to do with the fact that we're not all that good, so we're usually going to be in a group with at least one team that is better than us.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Disagree. If you notice,||
Disagree. If you notice, top-level salaries haven't really changed much since A-Rod signed his insane deal a decade ago. It's very hard to justify paying that much for one player. $25M is a lot of tickets to sell.
|1 day 13 hours ago||At Boise, Hawkins went 12-1,||
At Boise, Hawkins went 12-1, 13-1 and 11-1 in 2002, 2003 and '04 respectively. He didn't go undefeated, but had them on the brink.
|1 day 13 hours ago||I would never want to give a||
I would never want to give a guy a 10-year contract. That is guaranteed to become a millstone around the franchise's neck down the road. There is zero chance he plays at a level worthy of that salary in his last few years.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Not sure about that - Belgium||
Not sure about that - Belgium has an excellent team (maybe its best ever) and is really on a roll at the moment.
|1 day 15 hours ago||If I'm following this||
If I'm following this correctly, at least one of Brasil, Spain or the Netherlands will not make it to the quarterfinals. Wow.
|1 day 15 hours ago||No kidding - although||
No kidding - although everyone said that four years ago as well. France seems to play to its competition.
|1 day 16 hours ago||I don't think it will happen||
I don't think it will happen as long as we are in CONCACAF. The level of competition in this confederation is just too low to offer the U.S. (or Mexico for that matter) good preparation.
|1 day 16 hours ago||I would not compare us to USC||
I would not compare us to USC or Miami - those places struggle to sell out even when they're good. Texas, maybe. For a historically elite school, I would not say our fanbase is that harsh. The 100,000 streak has survived some rough times.
|1 day 16 hours ago||Petersen didn't build that||
Petersen didn't build that program up. It was good before he got there. Actually, what's interesting is that none of his Boise predecessors has had much success after leaving for a bigger school.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Actually they went 7-2 on the||
Actually they went 7-2 on the road in 1992-93.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Why does Funchess need to||
Why does Funchess need to change? I think 87 is a pretty badass receiver's number.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Who was the last 3000 yard||
Navarre in 2003 posted the only 3,000-yard season in school history. Gardner's 2013 season is already #2 all-time.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Wouldn't the best-case||
Wouldn't the best-case scenario involve OSU losing in Pasadena? Why would we want them undefeated?
|2 days 13 hours ago||Nebraska couldn't stop||
Nebraska couldn't stop anybody from running the ball? Hmm, I can think of one team...
|2 days 13 hours ago||Good point. I wonder if||
I wonder if players have ever run to the opposing sideline in cases like that, just to get off the field. Would that be legal?
|2 days 15 hours ago||I thought this thread was||
I thought this thread was going to be about this:
|2 days 15 hours ago||I wouldn't say that. It's||
I wouldn't say that. It's been worn exclusively by wide receivers since AC was here. No one had to earn it before Braylon, but there was a mystique around it already (which is probably why Braylon wanted it).
|2 days 15 hours ago||And quite a few outstanding||
And quite a few outstanding OTs have worn #77.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I'm not totally sure about||
I'm not totally sure about your last point. If Morris had been the holder he'd have probably been in position - it was on the near hash and he was right there on the sideline. There's no doubt that Dileo made a clutch hold though.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I do root for Detroit teams,||
I do root for Detroit teams, and I never even made the Yzerman connection. Different sport.
|2 days 16 hours ago||You can defend the KCP pick||
You can defend the KCP pick in basketball terms. It wasn't the worst pick in the world in terms of helping the team. But in terms of giving the team a shot in the arm in terms of fan interest, it was a mistake. I was once a big Piston fan but have become totally apathetic in recent years. That would have changed if they'd drafted Burke. I would have watched him any chance I could. I would have considered buying tickets to go to games. That is not the case now. KCP doesn't move the needle for me. It's nothing against him - it's just not enough to make me care about the Pistons again. I know quite a few people who feel the same way.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Even if you value football||
Even if you value football over basketball, the simple fact that basketball is one of the two marquee college sports should be important to you. It gives you bragging rights anywhere in the country.
|2 days 17 hours ago||OSU recruited extremely well||
OSU recruited extremely well under Cooper and continued to do so under Tressel. It's not clear how much of a recruiting bonus they reaped from that one win. They were going to get good players regardless.
Actually, you could argue that a basketball national title would yield greater benefits even in football recruiting. Nothing puts a school on the map like a national title.
|2 days 17 hours ago||If that game had been the||
If that game had been the biggest upset, it's more a statement of how bad our season went up to then than anything. Very few people outside of Ohio think OSU is a legit national title contender. The consensus is that they;re a very one-dimensional team that has played extremely weak schedules this year and last. I don't know how you can compare that to a national championship, unless you really don't care about basketball at all.
|2 days 17 hours ago||The Pistons were sold two||
The Pistons were sold two years ago to Tom Gores. Dumars has had a free hand since then.
|3 days 11 hours ago||For recruiting, wouldn't an||
No way. Winning the national title is infinitely more valuable from a recruiting standpoint. People forget who finished second, but a national champ is immortal. You win a national title and you're instantly credible with any recruit in the country. (And no, the goal of an elite basketball recruit is not just to "make the dance." They want to win the whole thing.)
The OSU game would have been fun to win, but in no way would it have had anywhere near that kind of impact. The euphoria would have quickly worn off once everyone remembered we were 8-4 and headed to a second-tier bowl game.
|3 days 11 hours ago||Basketball. I'd trade losing||
Basketball. I'd trade losing 50-0 in last Saturday's game for the national title in hoops.
Winning a national title is so, so difficult . . . it's happened a total of two times for us in the last 60 years in the two glamour sports. Nothing compares to it.
|3 days 12 hours ago||This is also what I heard,||
This is also what I heard, from a fairly connected guy - Harbaugh really wanted to coach Stanford to a BCS bowl game before he left them, and supposedly even gave us the "I'm coming if you'll wait for me" line (similar to what Miles allegedly said in 2007) - but at some point after Christmas he opened up his recruitment, so to speak.
|3 days 13 hours ago||That's another fairly common||
That's another fairly common occurrence - the HC is unpopular but his assistants are beloved by the players.
On a typical program, the head coach is usually the "bad cop" who lays down the law while the assistants are the "good cops." Players often like their position coach or coordinator better than the head coach, and have a closer relationship with him. When the assistant gets promoted, at first they love the guy and rally behind him - but then he has to become the bad cop himself to maintain program discipline, and sometimes he isn't cut out for that.
|3 days 15 hours ago||Why should we remember Ray||
Why should we remember Ray for his NFL career? Many great college players don't pan out in the pros. Mark Messner was one of our best defensive linemen ever, but he didn't do anything in the pros. Mike Hart didn't have a distinguised NFL career either.
I don't know if I agree with Ray on this issue, but his success or lack thereof in the pros is completely irrelevant to me.
|3 days 15 hours ago||The problem is, teams often||
The problem is, teams often rally behind an interim coach. The players take it personally that their previous coach was fired and it gives them motivation to play for the interim guy, who they usually want to get the job (better the guy you know than an unknown outsider). But those interim guys often turn out to be mediocre once they become the permanent coach, and the emotions of the previous coach's firing have subsided.
In any event, he certainly didn't help himself with his team's flat performance against UCLA. When you're at SC, beating Stanford is nice, but beating UCLA is essential.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Not sure that's true about a||
Not sure that's true about a smaller fanbase or fewer resources. UCLA, remember, has no home stadium. They play home games at the Rose Bowl, which is an hour's drive from campus and is way too big for their fan support. UW has an awesome on-campus stadium and when they're good, it sells out. UW also is (historically) top dog in the state of Washington, whereas UCLA is usually in the shadow of SC.
UCLA is also Mora's alma mater. It was probably a tough call for him. In the end, inertia probably won out - most coaches are pretty happy where they are and need a really good reason to leave.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Usually the whole point of||
Usually the whole point of going to the Juco is that you're ineligible to go to the 4-year school. Marginally-qualified guys don't turn down the free ride if they can get it.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Orgeron has a career head||
Orgeron has a career head coaching record of 16-27. He has had a very Brian Ellerbe-like career trajectory: failure at his first HC gig (Ole Miss), followed by a job as an assistant at a bigger school (USC) and then moderate success in one interim year. I'd be wary of hiring him as a permanent HC.
|3 days 16 hours ago||We have had ineligible||
We have had ineligible recruits go to prep schools to improve their high school GPA, but I don't think we've sent them to Jucos.
|3 days 17 hours ago||They're clueless. 3:30 is a||
They're clueless. 3:30 is a more prestigious timeslot than 12:00. The OSU game is the marquee game we play at noon anymore, mostly out of tradition.
|3 days 17 hours ago||i guess the downside of||
Not quite sure what you're getting at here. The admissions standards for Jucos aren't changing. Lousy students can still learn better study habits at a Juco. They just need to get slightly better grades at the Juco before they move on to a 4-year school.
In the end, this probably will just mean a little more of that good ol' academic fraud at the Juco level to get the guys eligible.
|4 days 11 hours ago||You keep throwing out this||
You keep throwing out this "since 2007" stuff. It's a red herring. I'm not arguing about 2007-10.
In 2011 and '12, we went 14-0 at home. Fans buying season tickets couldn't have gotten a better record than that. They didn't pay to see the team on the road, or the teams from previous years. They paid to see the 2011 and 2012 Michigan teams at home, and those teams won 100% of those games. It's hard to argue that they didn't get their money's worth.
|4 days 12 hours ago||It's Kelly's offense. He ran||
It's Kelly's offense. He ran the same thing at Cincinnati when he didn't have Martin as OC.
|4 days 13 hours ago||I agree that our home record||
I agree that our home record from 2007-10 was terrible by our standards. But I don't understand how that makes the 2011 and 2012 teams - which went 14-0 at home - an "overpriced" ticket. We beat OSU in '11 and MSU in '12.
|4 days 13 hours ago||This is very much my view as||
This is very much my view as well.
|4 days 13 hours ago||People eager to see Borges||
People eager to see Borges pack his bags might want to consider that his replacement could well be none other than one Mike DeBord (who happens to already be employed by Michigan at the moment).
Borges has had his bad outings but when he brings his A game, he's very good. That's more than I can say for some of our past offensive coordinators. I'm not sure DeBord, Terry Malone, Stan Parrish or Fred Jackson could have delivered a 600-yard, 41-point performance last Saturday.
Even if it weren't DeBord, hiring any OC is a gamble. The few truly great ones are almost all looking for head coaching jobs, not another coordinator position. Basically, if you want consistently awesome offenses, you need your head coach to be the driving force, either as a schematic guy (like RR) or a monster recruiter (which Hoke is showing signs of being, though the jury's still out).
|4 days 13 hours ago||(Denard, Gallon, Hemingway,||
I think you're overselling some of those guys. In particular, calling Toussaint, Omameh or Schofield elite talents is a stretch - I would consider all three of them to be below-average by our historical standards at those positions. Some of the others had their weaknesses, too - Denard was an erratic passer; Gallon lacks size; Hemingway lacked speed.
I'm not concerned about the returning talent at the skill positions. Gardner has the potential to be a star; he showed that against ND and OSU. Funchess likewise can become a monster receiving threat; the main thing that's holding him back now is just concentration on some of these passes. Chesson needs work making plays on the ball but has excellent size and speed, and Darboh was supposed to be a breakout star on the way before his injury. Butt is emerging as a receiving TE and should come along as a blocker. At tailback, Smith and Green are very promising and could well prove to be upgrades at the position.
The OL is the main question mark, but given our recruiting, it should improve. Left tackle will probably be worse, but RT may or may not be (I think Schofield was out of position there and did not have a great season) and the interior should be better.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Given that we went undefeated||
Given that we went undefeated at home in 2011 and 2012, why was it "overpriced"?
|4 days 14 hours ago||Didn't they announce that||
Didn't they announce that prices would not increase?
|4 days 15 hours ago||Yeah, I was going to say||
Yeah, I was going to say that. It seems like a logical move for him, based on his size and that he's demonstrated some receiving ability already.
|4 days 15 hours ago||That's not really how it||
That's not really how it works. The coordinator is the driving force behind the gameplan and makes the gameday calls, but it's Hoke's call to hire or fire position coaches. The coordinator's involvement with position groups he doesn't coach is generally not that large. Borges isn't really Funk's "supervisor" - Hoke is.
|4 days 15 hours ago||I'm not sure how consistent||
I'm not sure how consistent his play was this season. I thought he had a pretty rough year in pass protection and was not much better in run blocking. I think his future in the NFL, if he makes it, is at guard.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Any OL product remotely as||
Why Al and not Funk, the guy who coaches them on a daily basis? Generally speaking, the coordinator is not that involved (on a day-in, day-out basis) with position groups he doesn't personally coach.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Neither side of the ball was||
Neither side of the ball was good that year. We had some good outings out of conference, but In Big Ten play our ppg and yardage were barely different from 2008.
|4 days 17 hours ago||You have to remember that red||
You have to remember that red stands out much more than dark colors. I was there - it was probably not more than 20% OSU. We had a clear homefield advantage - they couldn't make much noise while we made a ton. That would not have been the case if it had been 60-40.
|4 days 17 hours ago||I blame Mateen Cleaves. His||
I blame Mateen Cleaves. His total washout of a career probably spooked Joe D (who drafted him back in 2000) into not wanting to draft another local product coming off a Final Four run. That is irrational logic, of course, but I bet it was in the back of his mind. I'm afraid the Pistons are probably going to regret this one for a long time.
|5 days 10 hours ago||You can "demand excellence"||
You can "demand excellence" all you want - but in the real world, you can't always snap your fingers and land the perfect OC. In fact, I'd bet that the new OC would end up being an underwhelming hire like Loeffler. The real superstar coordinators are looking for head coaching jobs, not another OC position.
I'm not married to keeping Borges around, but I recognize that there is a nonzero chance that Borges's replacement would end up not being an improvement over him. It's not unthinkable that, with improved OL play, we have a considerably improved offense next year, without having to resort to the gimmick-of-the-week like the tackle over.
The other thing to consider is the unknown issue of how much influence Hoke actually has over the offensive gameplan. We do not really know how much freedom the OC has.
|5 days 12 hours ago||I think this is a closer call||
I think this is a closer call than a lot of people are willing to acknowledge. Certainly, given the offense's general performance in Big Ten play (outside of OSU/Indiana and maybe Minnesota) you can make a case that this offensive staff doesn't deserve to stick around. On the other hand...
-Is it fair to Gardner, a guy who's really taken one for the team the past couple of years, to have to adapt to another new coach? I'm not saying we should let an individual player dictate staff direction, but it might not be good for his development to once again change things up on him. He's a guy who clearly has great upside and maybe the best chance of bringing that out of him in his senior year is to stay the course. Is his return tied to the return of Borges?
-Funk's OLs haven't looked too impressive the last two years, but his position group, probably more than any other on the team, is really hurting due to a lack of past recruiting. We did start to see progress on the OL at the end of the year. Maybe it's a mirage, maybe not. Also, we have no idea how he and Stenavich may have been affected by the deaths in the family they both experienced this season.
-The case against Jackson seems a little weaker after Smith and Green have shown us something these last few weeks. His overall track record is fine, but recently it had been lacking. But maybe he just didn't have the players.
|5 days 13 hours ago||A change certainly could work||
A change certainly could work out - but it might not. Right now we have no idea who a hypothetical replacement OC/QB coach could be, so we're ascribing all the best qualities to him. It's like those political polls where they compare the unpopular incumbent with a generic guy from the opposition - the generic guy wins. But then the party actually nominates someone and it might be another story.
The big unknown in all this is how Gardner and Borges get on. If they have a strong relationship (I don't know), that's not something you can easily toss aside.
|5 days 13 hours ago||It's never irrevelant when||
It's never irrevelant when it's your rival. When your rival is strong, that adds a level of urgency to everything. Losing to those guys sticks in your craw a whole lot more.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Of course it's a possibility,||
Of course it's a possibility, but I don't think it happens. We lose a handful of key guys, sure - every team does. But on the whole we won't be as young as this year and I think we're going to see Gardner and Ryan really step up as team leaders. We saw Gardner start to become more of a leader as this year progressed. Next year I think he'll be a captain and a very good one. Generally speaking, teams with senior QBs do pretty well.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Anytime you have a senior QB,||
Anytime you have a senior QB, it's not a throwaway year. I'm not in love with Borges as our OC or QB coach but I was also somewhat leery of asking Gardner to adapt to a third QB coach in his career. Gardner can be a really special player and I can understand the rationale for wanting to ride it out with Borges as his OC/QB coach. There is no guarantee a new QB coach would help his development.
|5 days 13 hours ago||In Funk's defense, the talent||
In Funk's defense, the talent he's recruited is all freshmen (redshirt or true) right now. He doesn't have many upperclassmen to work with beyond the tackle duo. Also, both he and his GA, Stenavich, suffered deaths in the family during the season, and we can only guess how much that affected them.
|5 days 13 hours ago||I don't think we go 7-5 next||
I don't think we go 7-5 next year. Last year we were good in conference play (6-2) and could point to Denard's injury as an excuse for the overall record being a little disapppointing. This year we just weren't very good and it was plain as day. There are no excuses now. Throw in OSU and Sparty being in the title game and I think guys in the program are going to have a lot of fuel for the fire this offseason. This is the kind of crappy season that can force guys to rededicate themselves.
|5 days 14 hours ago||I loved seeing the||
I loved seeing the Transcontinental return. My favorite trick play. It was wide-open, too, if we could have completed the pass. That was a missed opportunity (I think we ended up punting).
|5 days 15 hours ago||But again, you run the risk||
But again, you run the risk of having someone panic on that quick play and false start or just blow his assignment. Rushing to the line of scrimmage with the clock ticking down is a nerve-wracking situation. Imagine us getting flagged for having only six men on the line there. That could be a game-killer.
|5 days 15 hours ago||I don't know how much that||
I don't know how much that really matters. Stanford has held Oregon in check the last two years and they don't use much in the way of spread concepts. Likewise I expect MSU to do pretty well against OSU (at least, a lot better than us), and they have a pro-style offense.
The common thread among defenses that do well against spread offenses seems to be more that they are very physical and dominate the line of scrimmage. That unfortunately does not really describe us this year, especially our DL.
|5 days 15 hours ago||I've gone back and forth on||
I've gone back and forth on the spike at the end of the game. It wastes a down, which is certainly a significant cost, but OTOH you're only two yards away and really should be able to get it in one of three tries. There is value in allowing everyone to settle down and get ready for the second-down play, so you don't have issues like a guy not lining up properly (which might end up blowing up the play or getting a procedure penalty).
If you have two timeouts, you obviously don't do it (you call timeout instead). With one it's iffier. You don't really want to burn your last one there. I think either course of action is defensible.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Well, there was Gardner's||
Well, there was Gardner's "fumble."
|6 days 12 hours ago||Dileo was (probably) the||
Dileo was (probably) the primary read, but he was not the only read. Gallon and Funchess are running their own routes on that play and we could have thrown to them as well. The problem was that Gardner was starting to feel pressure (Kalis didn't protect that well) and made sure to get rid of the ball a little earlier than necessary.
Too many people here are trying to fit that play into their own preconceived notions about our offense/playcalling. It's not easy to score from three yards out on one try.
|6 days 12 hours ago||I can't say I'd have felt||
I can't say I'd have felt comfortable, but Miller didn't have a great day throwing the ball, especially in obvious passing situations. With 30 seconds left, play-action wasn't going to fool anyone. I think we'd have held on.
|6 days 12 hours ago||We actually could have gone||
We actually could have gone 11-2 in 2012. The other game was ND - we weren't quite one play away, but they converted a 3rd and long in the 4th quarter to ice the game. If that had fallen incomplete, we'd have gotten the ball back with a chance to tie.
|6 days 13 hours ago||Hoke just doesn't have it||
This is a curious conclusion given that we were literally a single play away from beating them as a two-touchdown underdog.
I agree that OSU winning a national title (which I highly doubt happens unless FSU's Winston is suspended) wouldn't be good for us, but the idea that it would cause our recruiting to "take a dive" is sheer overreaction. Ohio isn't the only place in the country we recruit and there are too many players from there for them to monopolize, anyway.
And how will they have more experience most years? Their players have four years of eligibility just like everyone else's. The issue right now is that our roster is disproportionately underclass-heavy. It's not going to be like that in future years.
|6 days 13 hours ago||Players say that all the||
Players say that all the time. It doesn't mean much. Even if they knew what was coming, Gallon was breaking open on the fade route and there was also a hole for Gardner to run, if he wanted. For that matter, the throw to Dileo could have worked if it had gone to his outside shoulder.
The main problem on the play was that Kalis let his guy get through to pressure Gardner. That forced Gardner to make a quicker throw than he wanted to, and it was too far to the inside of Dileo.
|6 days 13 hours ago||My takeaway from this game in||
My takeaway from this game in particular is that a Brady Hoke-coached team is going to give OSU all it can handle. If there was ever a year for us to get crushed, it was this one. Just as Dantonio is obsessed with Michigan and will have his team ready for us, Hoke is the same for OSU. That's good, because we need that kind of focus to beat a guy like Meyer. We need to make sure we don't become so focused on OSU that we don't bring our A game against other November opponents, though.
I think we might eventually look at this season as similar to 2005 - a year in which every game seemed to be close and we let a bunch get away from us at the end. That year, besides the five losses, we won two games in overtime (MSU, Iowa), and one on the last play of the game in regulation (PSU), so like this year, it could have been worse or better. I think we will see a pretty significant improvement next year, although the schedule will make it tough to dramatically improve in the win column. I see us ending up around 9-3 with the losses coming in tough road games. (We need to get over this home/road disparity thing - that's the most alarming trend under Hoke thus far.)
|6 days 14 hours ago||Yeah, but Miller didn't have||
Yeah, but Miller didn't have a great day throwing the ball (6-15), and most of his completions came when he had the threat of the run. I think we could have held them. It probably would have been nerve-wracking though.
|6 days 14 hours ago||As a position coach, he||
As a position coach, he probably has enough experience. EMU's RBs seemed to be respectable.
|6 days 14 hours ago||That's if you assume a team||
That's if you assume a team is just some mathematical average and not a group of guys who are gaining experience and who will probably benefit from the extra month of practice.
|6 days 15 hours ago||We have shown up exactly||
That's a bit over the top. We beat CMU by 50, Minnesota by 29, ND by 11 and took OSU to the wire - that's four good games. There were other games where one unit played well (offense against IU, defense against Northwestern and Nebraska).
I think this team followed the general trajectory of a young team going through growing pains. The fact that our schedule was backloaded masked some of the development players made. With a month off, I'm reasonably optimistic about our bowl performance.
|6 days 15 hours ago||OSU winning the national||
OSU winning the national title only hurts Michigan. It certainly would make recruiting in Ohio more difficult. The only Big Ten teams I'd ever want to see win a national title, besides us, would be in the future West Division - teams we won't go head-to-head with much.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Who did you want to play||
Who did you want to play instead? Wilson was injured.
|6 days 15 hours ago||I was not surprised. We gave||
I was not surprised. We gave up 47 a month ago to Indiana, after all, and got run over by Iowa a week ago. The D has never been all that great at stopping either the run or the pass this season. The pass rush has been minimal, the DL has struggled to get a push up front, and the DBs have struggled to stay with their men in deep coverage. Not a recipe to stop the OSU offense.
|6 days 16 hours ago||I wouldn't want him there.||
I wouldn't want him there. New Jersey produces a lot of talent and he'd probably make good use of it, at least on defense. I'd prefer him to look at UConn.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Are you talking overall, or||
Are you talking overall, or just scholarship players?
|6 days 17 hours ago||If OSU goes to the national||
If OSU goes to the national title game, the Rose is free to pick whomever it wants.
|6 days 19 hours ago||You know times are changing||
The Devin Gardner-led offense scored 41 points on OSU today. How many other Michigan teams have scored that many points on OSU in the last 50 years?
Assigning the loss on him is basically blaming him for the fact that our defense gave up 42 points.
|1 week 3 hours ago||A real piece of work, that||
A real piece of work, that guy. He wasn't even on the field when the scuffle started - he actually left the bench to go sucker-punch Heitzman. Then after the completely obvious ejection that followed, he threw a fit on the sidelines that culminated with that little gesture. This should be a pretty easy suspension call for next week.
|1 week 5 hours ago||Hang in there Brian. Things||
Hang in there Brian. Things will get better for Michigan and, by extension, for you.
|1 week 5 hours ago||it makes no sense to be||
Actually it can, if you feel like you need to put in an adjustment at halftime. Hoke doesn't just take chances for the sake of taking chances. He doesn't go for it on every 4th down, for instance. He makes aggressive decisions when he feels the time is right.
In the second quarter, OSU started getting pressure on Gardner and dropped him for a monster sack on our last real possession. I would assume we made some changes to our blocking scheme thereafter, because he generally had more time in the second half - but that's usually something you do at halftime. If we felt like we could no longer protect Gardner adequately with the scheme we had, it may have been just as well to keep it on the ground until the half was over.
|1 week 5 hours ago||Regarding this one: No||
Regarding this one:
…one thing everyone needs to keep in mind is that the current staff/players are not responsible for most of those losses. Hoke has only coached against OSU three times, and he's 1-2, literally a play away from 2-1. It's not his fault that we had a long losing streak against them before he arrived.
Likewise, while it's frustrating that we haven't won a Big Ten title since 2004 - a fact that gets mentioned regularly by angry fans - Hoke was not responsible for the first six years of that drought. You can blame him for not winning one in the three years he's been here (although I think 2011 was his only real shot, what with Denard getting hurt last year and the team being so young this year), but that's all. Three years without a title isn't that long. It's the fact that we didn't do much from 2005-2010, on top of the three years, that gets people frustrated. But Hoke had nothing to do with those six years.
|1 week 5 hours ago||More importantly, the OSU||
More importantly, the OSU team we faced in November had all of the suspended players back, unlike most of the teams that played them.
|1 week 6 hours ago||It seems a little odd to||
It seems a little odd to criticize Hoke for not going for the jugular after what transpired today.
|1 week 7 hours ago||He will be missed. He's had||
He will be missed. He's had many legendary calls over the years. "POLISH OFF THE HEISMAN" after Woodson's INT against OSU and "Denard Robinson, shoelaces flopping in the wind!" come to mind.
|1 week 7 hours ago||Miller will probably return,||
Miller will probably return, although there were a few rumblings about him going pro. His backup, Guiton, will be gone after this year though, so depth could be a concern.
|1 week 7 hours ago||Hmmm . . . I sit on the east||
Hmmm . . . I sit on the east side and it definitely wasn't a sea of red. There would be the occasional pair of Buckeyes here and there, and that was about it. I think the fact that they overwhelmingly wore red (whereas Michigan fans wore a variety of colors) made them stand out more. In any event they couldn't make any noise to affect the game.
|1 week 7 hours ago||Not officially, but Wile||
Not officially, but Wile shanked a 29-yarder on that 4th and 2 where Hoke called a timeout at the last second. He also came perilously close to missing a couple of PATs.
|1 week 7 hours ago||They definitely got away||
They definitely got away holding on their drive before halftime - it was pretty blatant.
The Gardner "fumble" is the one that sticks in my craw the most though. OK, refs are going to miss plays here and there, but how the replay booth get it wrong?
|1 week 8 hours ago||I've never been so melancholy||
Hmm? Melancholy refers to a very profound sadness. Did you mean "sanguine"?
|1 week 10 hours ago||This feels a lot like the||
This feels a lot like the Rose Bowl game against Texas when we lost 38-37. It's a loss, but you feel like the team gave everything it had and it just was one play away. As a fan you can't ask for much more.
|1 week 10 hours ago||Michigan just gave us proof||
Or maybe it's a young team with some personnel issues that lost some confidence earlier in the year and went through a rough patch, but kept its head up and finished the regular season with a good performance. You can choose your narrative.
|1 week 10 hours ago||I was also able to stand all||
I was also able to stand all game. It was as fun a Michigan game I can remember attending, just with a crappy ending.
|1 week 10 hours ago||I don't think they had 35K in||
I don't think they had 35K in the stands. In my section there were just a handful here and there, and that was true for a lot of sections. It wasn't as big an OSU turnout as I was fearing before the game. In any event, they certainly failed to take over the stadium - our fans generated a fantastic atmosphere.
|1 week 1 day ago||It was great way to end an||
It wasn't our first undefeated season in 50 years. We also went undefeated in 1973 (10-0-1) and 1992 (9-0-3), and in the 1971 regular season (11-0). It was, however, our first national title in 49 years.
|1 week 3 days ago||I'm not sure the selection||
I'm not sure the selection committee is going to remember that come March (especially given that Stauskas played to the end of the game).
|1 week 5 days ago||Beilein. "E" before "i" both||
Beilein. "E" before "i" both times.
|1 week 5 days ago||Bacon has been mad at Brandon||
Bacon has been mad at Brandon since he fired his pal RR.
|1 week 5 days ago||That said, with our biggest||
Call me crazy, but I could have sworn we beat OSU in 2011.
|1 week 5 days ago||I would not describe a year||
I would not describe a year in which a team plays for a national title in one of the two glamour sports to be anywhere near "pitch black."
|1 week 5 days ago||So because a team in a||
So because a team in a different sport had a bad season, Michigan basketball will have a bad one as well? Curious logic.
|1 week 6 days ago||We really need to work on||
We really need to work on boxing out in practice.
|1 week 6 days ago||So. Many. Touques. Tuques.||
|1 week 6 days ago||This is a standard internet||
This is a standard internet fan complaint. Go to any message board after a team loses and you'll see people accuse their coach of being "too loyal" to assistants. In reality, most are willing to let assistants go if their own seat starts to get hot. And Hoke has (at Ball State) cleaned house before.
|1 week 6 days ago||Les, besides the various||
Les, besides the various issues he has with people here, is 60 years old. He's almost certainly going to retire from LSU.
I could definitely see Hoke making staff changes, though.
|1 week 6 days ago||During the RR years I saw||
Actually, the vast majority of people here - Brian included - defended GERG until about the PSU game, at which point it was clear that some kind of staff change was going to happen. There was an article in the 2010 preview entitled "Decimated Defense" that argued that inexperience was the main culprit. ("Have you read 'Decimated Defense'?" was a common refrain around here.)
Most fans will instinctively defend their coach until things get really bad. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Fans should generally give coaches a chance when they're hired. Judge them after they've accummulated a body of work.
|1 week 6 days ago||At the end of the day, this||
You are overlooking one key detail: from what I've heard, that was done to accommodate a certain Mr. Harbaugh's timetable. Harbaugh wanted to coach Stanford in its BCS bowl and then he'd make a decision. As it turned out, he reportedly "committed" to us around Christmastime, only to "decommit" after a chat with the wife, who wanted to stay in California.
|1 week 6 days ago||We said the same thing about||
We said the same thing about South Carolina last year, and we scored 28.
Give this team a month to recuperate (our QB could certainly use some time to heal) and we might be okay.
|1 week 6 days ago||Wisconsin travels better than||
Wisconsin travels better than any Big Ten team. They'll get the nod over Sparty (and with some justification - they're not far from being undefeated).
|1 week 6 days ago||I don't blame you for not||
I don't blame you for not being enthusiastic about next week (I'm not either) but I think you are overreacting. I also don't believe you when you say this:
The pain may have been dulled by the passage of time, but under RR these kinds of threads were all over this board every time November rolled around. There was no enthusiasm for any of the three OSU games under RR. 2008 never got off the ground and 2009 and '10 featured soul-crushing collapses as the season progressed. By this point in the season, a definite fatalism had set in. At this point three years ago, we'd just watched Wisconsin run the ball 30 consecutive times on us for a bajillion yards.
If you think those years were "so different," you're obviously only talking about those handful of September games in '09 and '10 where we looked like we might be onto something, not the whole RR era.
|1 week 6 days ago||The RR revisionism is||
The RR revisionism is tiresome. He pretty much struggled against everybody, not just a couple of teams. The few Big Ten wins he had were mostly miraculous while the losses were often ass-kickings. He went 1-2 against Purdue, 1-2 against Illinois and 0-1 against Northwestern. He did manage to go 2-0 against Indiana, though both required last-minute heroics.
And we are much better in conference under Hoke - even with this year's disappointment, he's 15-8 vs. RR's 6-18.
It's worth noting as well that under Hoke, almost all of our losses have been tight games where we had a chance in the 4th quarter. This year we've been in 10 of 11 games in the fourth quarter. Last year we were in every game but Bama (or maybe Nebraska - I believe it was 16-9 after 3, but I may be wrong). When you lose a lot of close games, that may suggest some tactical problems but it does, at least, suggest that the team is playing hard for the coach and believes in him. Hoke can connect with his players. He's recruited well, he's lost very few to attrition, and there's not much doubt that they play hard for him.
This season is reminding me more of 2005 than any of the RR years. As then, we haven't had the offense to put teams away, and our D, while decent overall, hasn't been able to make key stops. I think some changes need to be made but they don't have to be wholesale. Hoke himself should be safe, but some of his assistants should probably move on. (After 2005, Carr replaced both coordinators, incidentally.)
|1 week 6 days ago||Frank Clark may not have||
Frank Clark may not have lived up to some of the preseason hype but he's certainly come on as the year has gone on. Henry certainly is having more of an impact as well recently.
OL, QB and RB are the three areas where we haven't seen enough progress. I think most other areas of the team have gotten better.
|1 week 6 days ago||Fans constantly bring up S&C||
Fans constantly bring up S&C "problems." It happened under Gittleson, Barwis and now Wellman. The reality is, it's very likely that what MSU and OSU do with S&C is very similar to what we do. (Unless you're accusing them of PED use. I do know that Michigan strongly discourages them, and hope that is true elsewhere.) There are only 120 college S&C coaches out there. These guys are all tops in their field.
Our players probably have perfectly normal numbers in the bench, squat, power lift, etc. Our problems on the lines probably have more to do with understanding responsibilities, working as a unit, and using proper technique.
|1 week 6 days ago||We also had Denard in 2010,||
We also had Denard in 2010, and went 7-6.
I would say that fielding competent defense and special teams was the bigger difference between 2010 and '11. That degree of improvement almost certainly wouldn't have happened without Hoke being here. Mattison at the least would not be here without him.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||I understand everyone’s||
Isn't it more simply an issue of Bellomy having torn his ACL?
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||Really? Take a look at the||
Really? Take a look at the roster and count the juniors and seniors:
Note that this list includes walk-ons.
|2 weeks 4 hours ago||That won't happen unless we||
That won't happen unless we fire someone. We add any more assistants. We're at the limit (nine).
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||You're getting really wrapped||
You're getting really wrapped up in semantics here. To win the Big Ten, you pretty much have to go undefeated. To win the national title, you pretty much have to go undefeated. Not a huge difference.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||The senior leadership on the||
The senior leadership on the 2011 team was actually mainly recruited by Carr.
I think you are misunderstanding the argument a little. I think it's more that this year's team is very young (owing to the massive attrition in the 2010 class), and that 2011 is an example of what Hoke can do when he has a more experienced team at his disposal.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||Bando, I know you don't like||
Bando, I know you don't like the guy, but your examples don't make sense. You give multiple examples of Brandon reversing course after a public outcry, so why would he not do so in a case like this?
If he's hearing it from donors and season-ticket holders (and I can only imagine he is), then I'd bet he'll have a candid conversation with Hoke about changes that need to be made after the season. I could see this being similar to Beilein's situation after year three.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||Guy was the main reason why I||
You mean the Carr who had five OCs and three DCs in thirteen years?
|2 weeks 7 hours ago||There are plenty of||
There are plenty of legitimate issues to be raised regarding our coaching staff, but this is not one of them.
Complaining about our players being allowed to speak with the press, which is a routine obligation, is not rational. That's a "scorned ex-girlfriend" kind of complaint - where you're so upset about the team losing that you've come to hate everything the coach does. (Complaints about Hoke's attire and "lack of emotion" are some others in this category.)
|2 weeks 7 hours ago||Were you upset when Beilein||
Were you upset when Beilein adopted the "Team, Team, Team" mantra a couple of years ago before the tournament?
This does not have to be an either/or kind of thing. You can be appreciative of our history and culture and still innovate. There is nothing in this speech that you could possibly consider out of date.
|2 weeks 10 hours ago||I don't shed any tears for a||
I don't shed any tears for a school that has won two national titles in football and two in basketball over the past seven years.
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||Students do a good job of||
The ticket validation policy is probably the bigger reason. It's a hassle. It's easier to just buy non-student tickets.
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||It's a press conference by an||
It's a press conference by an obviously disappointed coach right after the game. What are you realistically expecting him to say?
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||If you want to argue that||
If you want to argue that with Casteel, our defensive players hypothetically would have developed, I can buy that, but you can't flat-out state that they did as it was, with GERG, or else we wouldn't have fielded the 109th-ranked D in the country three years ago.
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||Actually, there was a lot of||
Actually, there was a lot of doubt about his ability to coach defense - and they were not getting better on that side of the ball, but worse. We went from a little below-average defensively in 2008 to way below average in 2009 to the worst defense in school history in 2010. Our team got better only in the sense that we had one functional side of the ball in 2010 instead of none, like in 2008 - not that both sides were improving.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Do you seriously think our AD||
Do you seriously think our AD is going to publicly trash our coaching staff? And during the season, no less?
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Would you want to take this||
If an AD who gives his coaches one of the largest assistant-coaching budgets in the country and won't publicly criticize their performance is a horse's ass, what kind of AD would you want?
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||I guess you could say that,||
I guess you could say that, if you ignore that we went 9-4 the year before RR got here and then fell off a cliff to 3-9 his first year. That was not expected. We were actually ranked in the top 25 going into the 2008 season. RR lowered the bar so low that year that it was pretty much impossible not to improve from there, but after three years the program was performing far worse than it did under Carr.
The worst thing we can say about this team is that it is at the same pace as RR's best season. Hoke will not get fired for this season alone, and I don't think he should. But he will need to follow Beilein's lead and improve his staff.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||A lot of those "great young||
A lot of those "great young coaches" turn out to be not so great when they come to a bigger conference and face better competition. They also aren't guaranteed to prefer Michigan to some of the other schools that are going to have openings.
Hoke is an oustanding recruiter, and he is a delegator - he's willing to give his coordinators room to maneuver. Those are good qualities. I think we can win with him, as long as (like Beilein) he's prepared to hire the best assistants possible.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Given how much we substitute||
Given how much we substitute defensively, we shouldn't be that gassed. It's a cheap excuse. Not to mention that playing in cold weather is less exhausting than those September games when everyone's sweating buckets.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||After PSU, MSU, Nebraska and||
After PSU, MSU, Nebraska and now Iowa, that rings hollow to me. Not to mention Akron and ND, who drove down the field on us in the 4th quarter, too.
The D is not the primary culprit in our poor play, but time and again this season it's struggled to get off the field in the 4th quarter. It's basically 2005 all over again on that side of the ball, but it's been masked by the even worse offense.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I don't know why you'd assume||
I don't know why you'd assume that. Head coaches may feel loyalty to their assistants, but if they start feeling the heat, they'll let them go.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||Hoke needs to follow||
Hoke needs to follow Beilein's example and let some guys go. It is mind-boggling that we could go from scoring 100 points in the first two games of the season to this.
This does not look like a championship-level staff, and if Michigan doesn't have that, it needs to get one.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||As usual, they were not the||
As usual, they were not the main culprit in the loss, but they forfeited my sympathy by once again falling apart when it counted.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||That's right - we were down a||
That's right - we were down a ton in that game. It was a really bad IU team as well. That 2009 team really flirted with disaster a lot that season.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Is anyone else watching||
Is anyone else watching IU-UConn? Really exciting game.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, I remember C.J. Lee||
Yeah, I remember C.J. Lee often playing in that spot.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Walton gave us 15 points and||
Walton gave us 15 points and 6 assists tonight.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Gutty win that could be nice||
Gutty win that could be nice for our tourney résumé. Very interesting to see the 1-3-1 return - we very rarely used it last year and it seemed to backfire when we did, but this time we really executed it well.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||A couple of years ago we came||
A couple of years ago we came back from around a 20-point deficit to beat Savannah State. I believe that was the game where Novak missed a game-winner dunk attempt at the buzzer in regulation. (We went on to win in OT.)
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Ugh||
Don't compare Denard (who graduated in four years) with the Buckeye loser who made that comment.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Need video.||
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Interesting note - today||
Interesting note - today (November 22) is the anniversary of both the 1969 and 1997 OSU games.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Olajuwon was a franchise||
Olajuwon was a franchise center who went on to lead them to two championships. He was probably the second-best player in that draft. You can hardly criticize that pick.
Now, Sam Bowie over Jordan...
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Most people who bet are not||
Most people who bet are not fans of either team. The size of our fanbase is not enough to drive the spread by itself.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I don't know about that.||
I don't know about that. Whenever I see that happen, it doesn't seem to do much to stem the other team's rally, and ends up just leaving the team in question with no timeouts in the final minutes.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||It's maybe not as big as the||
It's maybe not as big as the ones above, but the end of the 2011 MSU basketball game at Crisler - featuring Darius Morris dribbling through the entire D and splitting it for a clinching layup (followed by the "GTFO my court") - was a kind of confirmation that the rivalry had changed, that we were done being MSU's doormat. We had, of course, upset them in Breslin, but most considered that a fluke. For the game in Crisler, MSU was going to take us seriously, if they hadn't before- there was no mistaking that this time. But we won, and also also sealed up an NCAA tourney bid in the process. Since then, the two programs have effectively been on equal footing.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I think we were already up a||
I think we were already up a few scores when that hit happened. What I think set the tone was the very first PSU play, when we sacked McQueary for a monster loss.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||70 posts and not one||
70 posts and not one prediction from Clubber Lang?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Re: 1989, we actually were||
Re: 1989, we actually were considered a strong national title contender going into the season, and we started out 11-0. What made us a Cinderella was just the crazy coaching change on the eve of the tournament.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Doesn't baseball have a||
Doesn't baseball have a higher bust-to-success ratio than the other sports, though? It seems like the MLB Draft is more of a crapshoot. There's also the issue of many teams simply refusing to draft some star players because they have asshole agents.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||At this point in the season,||
At this point in the season, I think it's OK to let the team try to work things out on its own. This time is about finding your bearings.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I'm relieved to play them||
I'm relieved to play them instead of a revenge-minded VCU. I wasn't sure how well we'd have handled their press without Burke and Hardaway. Of course, FSU is no slouch, either. Our post players are in for a challenge.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||And he could've been a||
And he could've been a Piston. Grrr.
*Shakes fist in presumed direction of Joe Dumars*
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Was NW's punt from midfield||
Was NW's punt from midfield on 4th and inches a candidate for the dumb punt of the week? I was surprised - and thrilled - that they punted it there, into the wind no less.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Both teams had FG drives||
Both teams had FG drives going into the wind. There didn't seem to be a big difference in terms of offensive success between going into and with the wind, at least in regulation.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Given that the argument that||
How is it "undeniable" when Michigan has a season 3rd-down conversion rate (from all distances) of 38% and a season 4th-down rate (again, all distances) of 55%?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||France survives with a 3-0||
France survives with a 3-0 win (3-2 aggregate). Ukraine is once again eliminated in the playoff round. They're the Northwestern of national teams. As for France, this is a pretty epic turnaround for a team that really has been in a funk for a few years now. Maybe this is the moment that pulls their team together.
Portugal-Sweden sounds like it was an epic game - five goals, all by Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic. Too bad Zlatan won't be playing in Brazil.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||No, the headbutter is||
No, the headbutter is definitely Koger, and the guy grabbing Hoke is Singletary.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Plus, we got jobbed a week||
Plus, we got jobbed a week earlier when half of Nebraska's line moved on the 4th and 2.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I thought there was one more||
I thought there was one more guy sprinting off, but I'm not positive.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Good catch - it sure looks||
Good catch - it sure looks like 12 guys for them.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||We have arguably the best||
The best pair? I don't know about that.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||But not every program||
But not every program suffered the kind of attrition we did in our upper classes, especially 2010 (where only nine of 27 recruits are still on the team). Hoke's two classes have had next to no attrition and if that continues, we're going to have much improved depth in the future.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Ferrigno coaches the TEs (and||
Ferrigno coaches the TEs (and also STs).
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Hoke won't fire Borges,||
This is questionable logic. All assistants do what they're told. It's not like insubordination is rampant in the college football world.
If Hoke does not feel that his assistants are doing their jobs well, then he may let them go. Lloyd went through five OCs, not because they rebelled and wouldn't execute his ball-control offense, but because he wasn't satisfied with the results.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||When Michigan covered a guy||
Is there a typo here? Our gamelong YPA was 5.3.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Ha, that definitely has||
Ha, that definitely has Photoshop potential.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Do you want a well-blocked FG||
Do you want a well-blocked FG attempt or a poorly-blocked one?
Having crappy, mismatched personnel just to save time seems like a bad idea. What happened Saturday was one of those once-in-five-years kinds of things.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||The difference is what the||
The difference is what the Mathlete alluded to above:
That is definitely true for a guy like Fitzgerald. If he can sit on the ball, he will.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Fair enough, but I am not||
Fair enough, but I am not comfortable with giving the other team the ball last in a tie game in regulation, and kicking the FG with 5:00 would have given them that opportunity. The way this year's gone, I bet they'd have driven down the field and scored if we'd tied it up.
As the Mathlete notes, our chances of getting the ball back were probably better given that NW had the lead on the ensuing possession than they would have been in a tie game. With the lead, a conservative guy like Fitzgerald is going to sit on the ball. In a tie game he won't.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||NW's punter is pretty bad in||
NW's punter is pretty bad in general and really had problems punting into the wind. If the D had held them without a first down, there was a good chance we'd have started around their 40, if not closer.
In any event, I supported going for it because we had a chance right there to score the game-winning TD. If you get it, you don't need any more points, or even the ball, to win. Kicking the FG, OTOH,still necessitates another scoring drive, which you may never get the chance to run given the time on the clock. My fear was that kicking the FG would lead to a picture-perfect NW drive that would score with 20 seconds remaining.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I don't understand why anyone||
I don't understand why anyone would ever think all-white is a good choice.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||That top photo is awesome.||
That top photo is awesome. Is that the game-winning TD?
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Pretty much all coaches||
Pretty much all coaches script plays. That's part of why you see so many successful opening drives - the offense breaks out stuff it hasn't shown before.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Agreed. That play needs to||
Agreed. That play needs to be retired. I'd rather run a straight QB draw, or a PA pass.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||But how many of those||
But how many of those attempts were from short yardage? That we failed to convert a bunch of 3rd and longs earlier has little bearing on our abillity to convert a short-yardage situation. I only remember a couple of failed short-yardage attempts in the NW game, and one featured a bad snap.
If you're arguing that we literally can't convert a short-yardage play three times out of ten, that's going overboard. I think the larger point here is that kicking a FG on 4th and 2 is usually a poor decision. Most teams can get two yards often enough to justify going for it, and the value of finishing a drive with a TD versus a FG can be big.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It's even more forgivable||
It's even more forgivable than that; the TV graphic on that play actually said "3rd and 4." (It was, in fact, 2nd and 4.)
|2 weeks 5 days ago||NSFMF. Michigan as an||
NSFMF. Michigan as an underdog is often a pretty good call.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I'd be curious to see the||
I'd be curious to see the breakdown of our short-yardage success when Gardner keeps the ball versus handoffs. I feel like the former has worked a lot more often (and did a couple times in OT).
|2 weeks 5 days ago||On the year, we're 38% on 3rd||
On the year, we're 38% on 3rd downs, which is OK, not particularly good or bad. On 4th downs we're 55% (6-11). That's from all distances, not just short-yardage. I'm pretty sure we have in fact converted a majority of our short-yardage (2 yards or less) attempts this year. We just remember the failures more.
The problem in recent weeks has been that a huge percentage of our 3rd down plays have come in long-yardage situations. We haven't had many 3rd and shorts lately.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I suspect Hoke made the||
I highly doubt Hoke pays attention to the media after a game (win or lose). The idea that he's going to not only read the papers after a loss but have it influence his coaching is pretty farfetched. I don't think many coaches would do that.
Hoke has generally shown a tendency to go for it on 4th and short in our opponent's territory. This was in character for him.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||This argument is overblown.||
This argument is overblown. This season, we're averaging 32:11 of possession ourselves, while our opponents are averaging 27:49. (So our offense, as bad as it is, is still on the field four minutes longer than our D per game.) In our worst defensive outing of the season, Indiana, our D was only on the field for 21:26.
Truth is, we just haven't had the elite defense we thought we'd have. We're showing growth as the year goes on, though. The D was just average for the first 6-7 games of the year, but now I'd say it's actually pretty good. Unfortunately, the offense has been going in the other direction.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||It could be just that they're||
It could be just that they're easing him back in the rotation. He played more total minutes (22) than I would have expected coming in.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Disappointing. We seemed in||
Disappointing. We seemed in control for long stretches but didn't finish either half well. We settled for too many threes, a lot of them rushed. It's going to take a little while for the offense to get the kind of consistent flow it had last year, with an experienced Burke. We're also going to have to figure out how we're going to defend big 4s because the LeVert experiment there was not the best. Oh well, it's a learning experience.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||You didn't think losing the||
You didn't think losing the national player of the year might pose some challenges?
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Toussaint was a 1,000-yard||
Toussaint was a 1,000-yard rusher in 2011. It's not a shock that Cox (who rushed for under 800 yards at UMass in his only year as a starter) couldn't beat him out.
Cox's big opportunity was in 2010, after Minor and Brown had graduated, and when Fitz was injured.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Or maybe we just didn't plan||
Or maybe we just didn't plan for Carr's retirement, made an outside hire that didn't work out, and it had nothing to do with Bo at all.
There doesn't always have to be a grand narrative to everything.