that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
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|1 week 6 days ago||Bo Ryan||
I think it is far to early to say there has been much change in Bo Ryan. I think his scheme and style of play have remained largely the same, he just has more talent at his disposal then he has ever had before, so his offensive efficiency has shot through the roof.
I wonder if this is a lasting trend for Wisconsin. Next year without Kaminsky and possible Dekker, along with losing Gasser and Jackson, will Wisconsin still be great offensivly or will they regress and Bo Ryan go back ot winning games 42 - 41.
|1 week 6 days ago||Wisconsin and Kentucky||
I have never found Wisconsin's offense ugly, I think it is well taught and well executed. It is their clutch and grab defense I find ugly.
As for Kentucky, I agree their offense is ugly, because their offense is non-existent. For all their talent I am not sure any of them actually know how to play basketball involving the four other guys on the court.
With all that being said, I would much rather have an offense like Michigan the last two years or Notre Dame this year. Also well taught and executed, space the floor, have good shooters and take the first quality look available. Wisconsins offense is fine, but I would prefer a bit more of a wide open game with less shots taken with under 10 seconds on the shot clock. I could be wrong, but I think Wisconsins offense would be just as efficient but would have even more possessions if the shot clock was shortened from 35.
|1 week 6 days ago||Bo Ryan||
I never denied he is a really good basketbal coach. Since he has been at Wisconsin they have never finished lower than 4th in the league, that is really impressive.
But I dispute your, "he did what he needed to do". Other coaches with limited talent succeed without playing a slow, grind it out, ugly style of basketball. But regardless, he is a quality basketball coach.
I will be interested to see if he can maintain this really high level of success or if it is a flash in the pan built on good coaching and some good luck (Kaminsky developing beyond anyones expectations and 2 really good basketball players, Dekker and Koening, growing up in Wisconsin).
|1 week 6 days ago||What a strange new world||
I am amazed at the number of people here who are crying foul over Bo Ryan not getting into the HOF this year. Don't we hate Bo Ryan? Isn't he alien Hitler or the vanguard of the bug people? He is still one of the biggest complainers to the refs in college basketball despite his teams undercutting shooters and bumping every guy who drives to the lane without anything getting called against them.
I guess when compared to Coach Cal he looks pretty good, I am just surprised at the number of people here calling for his immediate enshrinement into the HOF.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Kentucky||
Guys can overcome it (like WCS) but I wonder if some point the system will eventually catch up to Kentucky and some guys decide against it due to their desire to be the focal point and not risk being buried if they don't excell year 1.
Of course, by that time Cal might have another national title or two, so not like he has any need to worry about that now.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Development||
Not to nitpick, I see 3 Kentucky Freshman in the first round and WCS (a JR) as the 4th. My lack of development is a comment on how at this point, with the level of recruiting Kentucky is doing, anyone who doesn't go in the first round is a dissapointment.
The Harrison twins were the 3rd and 5th best players in the country coming out of high school, Darkari Johnson the 8th and Marcus Lee the 14th. Right now, only one of those guys is projected to get drafted, and that is Johnson in the second round. Yes Randle and Young were 1st rounders, and there is time yet for others, but Kentucky got 6 of the top 14 players, and so far only 2 first rounders out if it.
Not everyone is going to work out, that is the nature of college basketball, but if Kentucky is selling themselves on being an NBA factory last years class is not a great example for them so far. They are the class of college basketball and Cal is a recruiter on a whole different level. With that said, maybe I am just being a hater, maybe last years class was an abberation or maybe its the way the NBA draft works, but it seems like the longer guys stay at Kentucky, the less chance they have of going in the first round.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Well Dang||
When you back up your point with facts instead of unsubstantiated opinions it makes it tough to argue against. I never realized Cal has had that much success, that is an impressive run. I still don't understand how he manages to sell these guys when they will be coming off the bench and getting reduced minutes, but the man is a great salesman.
I still think most of these guys can go to a lot of programs, have on court success and get drafted in the lottery, but when one guy has managed to play the system so well and get so much talent, it becomes difficult to argue against all the top players following suit.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Logjam||
I agree that it will be interesting to see what happens with Kentucky's roster over the next two years. Are guys going to start leaving early even with second round grades? Are we going to see more guys transfer after two years, either by their choosing or at some strong urging from Cal?
I don't look at a ton of mock draft stuff but which of these Kentucky players are projected to go in the first round? Are Booker or their PG (Ulis? or is that the Duke guy?) projected as first rounders? At some point there has to be a roster crunch and I wonder if the potential lack of development will ever catch up with them recruiting wise.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Kentucky's "Veterans"||
The examples you gave, WCS, Daraki and the Harrison's just make me wonder even more why so many top recruits go there. There is only so much opportunity to really showcase what you can do on such a loaded team. If you aren't a physical freak, like Julius Randle or Karl Towns, your reduced minutes can lead to a lack of opportunity and before you know it you are a SO or JR, losing playing time to younger guys and seeing your NBA potential fade.
Why take that risk and go to such a loaded team? Kansas seems to get 2ish of those super star guys every year instead of 5, they stay for a year, get plenty of opportunity to showcase their potential and are gone. I guess all of the guys who choose Kentucky assume they are to good to be the guy pushed to the side, but it just seems like an odd choice if so many of these guys go there because its an NBA factory.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Kentucky||
They are clearly the top when it comes to landing the best players, but its not like they are the only game in town. You can pick any number of schools, play there for one year or more and be on a quality national championship contender and still be a high lottery pick. Kentucky is not the only school that produces NBA talent while being a good college team.
You wonder why any top recruit doesn't go there and I wonder why so many do. The potential cheating angle aside what really separates them from Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona or the other super elite?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Attack on Titan gif = +1||
Also what does "dream school" mean to high schoolers these days. I assume the recruits must say it about a lot of different schools during the recruiting process.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Looks that way||
Guess I should have read your response before replying with largely the same information, would have saved me the time of typing out the response.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Constructive Criticism?||
Do you know what that term means? Saying that there is no one to blame for the poor showing but Beilein this year is not constructive criticism. You made an inflamatory statement about a beloved coach and people got upset with you. Don't try to play it off like you are some victim of unfair attacks by claiming constructive criticism.
Maybe next time offer up a few complaints or things to improve on in your initial comments instead up just that there is "no one to blame but JB". He made some bad coaching decisions this year, but to say he bears all the blame when his two best players were injured for large parts of the year is just as bad as all the people you complain about who refuse to criticize him at all.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Expectations||
I also think you are reading way to much into coach speak after four days of practice about "competition" and "every spot being available". Harbaugh is walking in to a completly new set of players and loves competition, so he is throwing everything open depsite knowing there are probably more than a few positions locked up.
There may be no proven stars but it is pretty safe to say, barring injuries, we will see a lot of Lewis, Countess, Peppers and Wilson in the secondary. I bet Morgan, Bolden and Ross see a lot of time at LB and the D-line sees a heavy rotation of Glasgow, Pipkins, Mone and Henry amoung others.
The line will have Cole somewhere on it, probably Glasgow and Kalis as well. Your TE's are Butt and Bunting in certain situations. There are a bunch of guys who I would classify as returning starters (or close enough) who are clearly good enough that no one is going to beat them out, the ones you claimed Michigan is lacking.
Michigan has enough talent to compete in the Big Ten, 10 wins might be a long shot, but there is no reason to complain about the coaches refusing to annoint starters after their first four practices at Michigan.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||What were you expecting?||
They have had what, 4 practices under a new regime with a program coming off a below .500 year. How many positions do you want to be locked down off a team that was as bad as last years team was?
I agree there is no guarantee anyone who wins the competition will be any good, especially at QB, but it is way to early to start talking about how all this "competition" would make you more nervous about next years team.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed||
People need to stop assuming or implying that any young player that struggles is going to transfer. Not every kid is going to make an instant impact. Michigan is a very young team this year, if every young player who struggles initially transfers like some people want that will never change.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Agree to Disagree||
I call bull on your statement that there are so many athletic 6'8"+ players playing at mid major programs. Give me some names, give me some examples. Again, what Big Ten team has 6'8"+ athletic guys you wish Michigan had?
Wisconsin has Nigel Hayes (who I am not sure is that athletic) and Sam Dekker, who everyone in the country wanted out of high school. Kaminsky is fairly athletic but wasn't productive til his JR year.
Who on MSU do you point to as an athletic big, Costello? Schilling?
OSU has the mercurial Amir Williams and thats it. I don't believe Jasean Tate is 6'8".
Purdue for some weird reason has managed to get a pair of athletic 7 footers.
Indiana has Hannah Parrea, I guess he would count as 6'8"+ and athletic.
I could go on, but most of the other big men in the conference who are good, Olah, Mo Walker, are similar to Kaminsky and are veterans who weren't very productive early in their career, which I hope is the track Doyle and maybe Donnal are on.
If you lower your height requirement I am in, you can find those guys, like Dawkins who no one wanted. Or if you just want more size, I agree with that to, I want more people like Doyle and Teske and less like Beilfeldt or Donnal. But guys 6'8"+ with a lot of athleticism are just not that common.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Big Men||
You say Michigan should be able to get one Kentucky level player every year, is that one Kentucky level big guy or one Kentucky level player period at any position?
I appreciate your point and am enjoying the discussion, but I just don't think athletic big men are that common or easy to find. You cite Jordan Morgan, but Morgan was never that athletic, especially as a RS FR. What made him so good later in his career was intelligence and experience, which I am hoping will develop in Doyle and maybe Donnal. I agree, Beilein missed the boat in big men recruiting recently. There was a big gap between Morgan and Doyle/Donnal. McGary filled that briefly, but Beilein should not have been suprised McGary left early, you recruited him knowing that. Maybe Horford leaving caught Beilein off guard, but he should have been prepared for that. I hope Doyle/Donnal and maybe even Wilson can develop and we got Teske and more like him in the future.
I agree OSU is killing Michigan in recruiting and I don't have a good answer for that, but I don't believe MSU is out recruiting Michigan right now, neither is doing that well. Maybe I am just different, but the more I look at Beilein the more I see a Bo Ryan esque coach. A coach who doesn't recruit at the highest level but continually has good teams based on experience and quality coaching. I think Matta will always out recruit Beilein, I just hope this year is an abberation due to unusual player development and Beilein never ends up with a team this young again.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Quick twitch bigs||
I would love more athletic big men, I am just not sure where they are going to come from. Putting aside the fact that I believe Beilein prioritizes skill over pure athleticism when recruiting, who are the athletic guys 6'8"+ that Michigan would have a legit chance with? Looking around the Big Ten, who are the 6'8"+ athletes you wish Michigan had landed? Those type of athletes are not easy to find or recruit unless you are Kentucky or Kansas.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Michigan||
You had a sleepless night after a largely meaningless late season basketball game by a sub .500 Michigan basketball team? Also please try to break up blocks of texts, makes it easier to read and have a discussion about.
How many unathletic stretch 4's has Michigan recruited that you are complaining about? RS FR Donnal and FR Chatman? They should recruit more athletes, you mean like Irvin, Walton, Dawkins or MAAR? If you recruit an entire team full of athletes you end up with Indiana, a bunch of pogo sticks who don't know how to play basketball.
Also yes, two injuries will have a significant negative impact on just about every team in the country if they lose their two best players. What would State be without Dawson and Valentine this year? How about OSU without Russell and any other player, Indiana without Ferrel and Blackmon? Kentucky lost Noel two years ago and went to the NIT and they had way more talent than Michigan. Its not just two injuries, its their two best players.
Finally what is your definition of "giving up looks at 3's". You may think fouling up three is the right call, I disagree, but thats fine. That being said, Demps game tying three at regulation was a miracle and not Michigan giving up a good look at a 3.
It was a bad loss during a bad season, but take a deep breath and enjoy the fact that its softball season.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||You're crazy||
I agree Caris is probably not a POY candidate, but to say it is the last we would hear of him, or say he is no GR3 or THJ is ridiculous. You are right, he is no Burke, he will not be hte NPOY, but what exactly did GR3 or THJ do in their college career to elevate them over Caris in your mind? Not to denegrate either of those two players, I wish nothing but the best for them, but you can't say Caris hasn't done anything in college and then imply GR3 and THJ did so much more.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||New Job||
He can at least claim (whether it is true or not) that he wasn't sure he was taking the new job until after signing day was over. I am sure he knew he was leaving before last Wednesday, but he at least left himself enough time to claim he was formally offered and accepted the job after NSD.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Transfer||
Wilson is a freshman who looks like he will redshirt this year, Duncan Robinson is the transfer.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Beilein||
Beilein recruits skill over just height, he will recruited talented big men, McGary, Doyle, Teske, Wilson, even Chatman is pretty tall. But he normally seems to priortize other basketball talents over pure size.
We have seen what Beileins ideal offense looks like last year and the year prior, and those teams had only 1 big man on the floor. It will always cause problems when Michigan runs into really tall teams like Iowa, Wisconsin or Kentucky last year, but you just need the offense to overcome the defensive size weakness.
It looks like more of a problem because Michigan just doesn't have enough talent on the floor to overcome Iowa's massive size advantage, but as others have said, the last two years teams didn't seem to struggle vs. teams with size, because they had the talent.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Pretty Common||
My wife was a college swim coach for a few years and most programs only have 1 coach for the mens and womens team. They usually practice together or on similar schedules and as WD said their meets also follow similar schedules.
I am sure its a lot of work, but I doubt he puts in that much more time than the coaches of the other Olympic sports at Michigan.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Coaches leaving||
What is the motivation of the former Texas now Florida D-line coach? If he knew he was taking the Florida job a week or two ago wouldn't he want to start as soon as possible and start recruiting his recruits to there instead of Texas?
I understand why the OSU or UCLA coach might keep recruiting before jumping to the NFL, but why would you keep recruiting to Texas when you know you are just going to leave for Florida immediately after signing day?
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Sick Grandma||
Shockingly ND fans question the validity of that, but it is the reason he gave to get out of his LOI and go to UCLA.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan Fans||
There were Michigan fans here and on twitter upset with Weber's decision and acting like idiots in insulting a high schooler. That being said, all fan bases has plenty of morons who say stupid stuff all the time, if you think people here are worse than other fan bases I don't know what to tell you. If Weber decides not to go to Michigan after this that is fine, but I certainly hope its not because he thinks the fans here are so much worse than they are anywhere else.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||DeBord||
Not sure if you are on twitter or not, but I also learned today, at least according to an MSU fan directed at Brian, DeBord leaving Michigan to go to Tennessee just after signing day is also news Michigan intentionally hide from their football recruits in the same way OSU hide their RB coach leaving.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Good for Idaho||
And good for the kid. Hopefully he can get the treatment he needs and at the very least earn his degree even if he never plays a snap for Idaho.