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|13 weeks 5 hours ago||Relax||
Just relax man and take a prose-ak
|13 weeks 5 hours ago||That's fair||
There are plenty of legitimate complaints to make about Beilein's ability to recruit and close, I just think the no visit, no offer policy is often something people bring up as a complaint when it really isn't the issue. If Beilein failed to push and give everything he had to convince Jackson to come for a visit that is a problem, but I don't think Beilein throwing out a scholarship offer without also upping the level of pursuit would have done anything.
|13 weeks 5 hours ago||Thank You||
Thank you, that was an informative and reasonable response, wihch can be rare in these kind of threads.
If Beilein truly slow played or got lazy with Jackson's recruitment then he deserves a lot of criticism for that. I just can't get all that bothered by his no visit, no offer policy. I think it is antiquated for the current state of college basketball, but it hasn't seem to hurt much when it comes to offering other big time prospects.
If there is proof of other big time prospects who lost interest in Michigan due to the policy I would then think it needs to be changed. But at this point I feel Beilein's issue is he is just not a great recruiter/closer period, and is perhaps to honest/clean for the current state of college basketball, not the no visit, no offer policy.
|13 weeks 6 hours ago||I don't understand||
I don't understand your question. I thought the issue was Beilein never offered Jackson, not that Beilein didn't recruit him at all. If you tell me Beilein made no effort to recruit Jackson then all my points are invalid. But I was under the impression that Beilein recruited Jackson he just never offered because of his no visit, no offer policy. So no, no one in Jackson's camp needed to reach out to Michigan because I assume Michigan attempted to get him to visit, he just never did. If I am wrong about that, then Beilein did make a massive mistake.
|13 weeks 6 hours ago||Only Point||
Well you picked an odd way to convey that point. Harbaugh recruited a top five class last year, I believe you would classify that as an elite class. It is early, but is looking like he is going to bring in another elite class this year.
I agree, you need elite talent to compete for championships, but complaining about one kids commitment months before signing day is not the way to get that point across. You said in your post "recruiting like this" will not win championships, and I pointed out that yes, recruiting like this can win championships because the last couple national champions have also taken similiar players.
But that is fine, you tried to make a point, you made it poorly, people called you out for it and instead of admitting you could have phrased it better you tell someone to take a zanex. I apologize if I didn't understand the point you were trying to make, I just assumed some facts could help add some clarity to your comment and peoples responses. Also I assume you meant xanax, but again, that is just a meaningless fact and ignores the point you were trying to make, so sorry again.
|13 weeks 6 hours ago||Honest Question||
Did Michigan really have a "real shot" with an in state kid who can't even make it to campus for a visit? This policy hasn't seem to hurt Michigan in getting kids on campus and offering them, he hasn't closed on many, but they have visited.
Everyone cites Jackson's girlfriend coming to Michigan but if he was truly interested in Michigan, he could have made it down for a visit, Tag along with your girlfriend when she comes to town on a visit if you don't want to come by yourself.
If Beilein did other stupid things to mess up the Jackson recruitment then so be it, he is far from the best recruiter in college basketball, but his no visit no offer policy is not going to be the reason Michigan does not land Josh Jackson.
Also, since when has anything Beilein done ever been described as slick. Maybe he has done some stupid things in Jackson's recruitment, but if his people are turned off by Beilein being "slick" then that should eliminate a lot of other coaches from his recruiting pool.
|13 weeks 6 hours ago||Sorry||
I am sorry, you are right, facts have no place here. And as a wise man once said "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true"
|13 weeks 7 hours ago||Recruit Like the Big Boys||
Why don't we wait until the final class shakes out and you can judge the recruiting class as a whole. The big boys you cite don't take all top 250 prospects every year.
Last year Alabama signed an athlete ranked 592 nationally, a TE ranked 526 and CB ranked 645. OSU had an ATH ranked 684, a CB ranked 769, a CB ranked 806 and another ATH ranked 872. Fl. State had an OG ranked 727 and an ATH ranked in the 2,000's.
We should wait until the end of season rankings before we judge just how high or low this kid is ranked, and even if he ends the season ranked lower then you would like, every class, even the best in the country has very low ranked kids in it. Heck, last year Michigan finished fifth overall and Devin Gil was ranked just over 1,000 overall. If Harbaugh takes over a dozen kids similar to Chase then you finishes with a class in the 30's you can be worried, but if he has a few really low ranked kids he likes and still finishes in the top five or ten overall, recruiting will not be the reason Michigan doesn't compete with the big boys.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||I am confused||
Sorry this is going to be a bit long, but I just want to present the facts.
So MaizeHaze, is your complaint that Beilein isn't recruiting at the same level as Michigan did in the 80's and 90's, or that the basketball team isn't as good as they were in the 80's and 90's?
Recruiting is not at the same level, we could re-hash prior arguments of why that is but it is pointless. Beilein is not recruiting at the level Michigan was in the 80's and 90's, that is accurate based on pure recruiting rankings and you aren't happy with that, anyone who tries to give you reasons other then Beilein you just call them excuses and say they are apologists, that isn't getting us anywhere.
But what about the actual performance on the basketball court? In the twelve years prior to Frieder they made the tournament three times and won two Big Ten Titles. Frieder came in and they missed the tournament for four more years (for a total of seven straight non tournament years), then lost in the second round for three straight years, winning the Big Ten twice, made a Sweet Sixteen then 88-89 happened.
Fischer comes in with the Championship, then proceeds to loss in the second round and then miss the tournament. The Fab Five comes in to town and loses in the championship game twice. Next four years go Elite 8, first round loss, first round loss and miss the tournament.
Then the dead years happen, which you ignore, so I will too. In comes Beilein, misses the tournament, 2nd round, misses the tournament, 2nd round, Big Ten title and first round loss. Followed by the Louisville loss, an Elite 8, tourney miss and now a first round loss.
So on the Court, Beilein is better then Orr, probably as good as Frieder, both won two Big Ten titles, Frieder made the tournery five times, including the Championship year, and Beilein has made six.
Now Beilein vs Fischer is interesting. How do you count the Championship, was it Frieder? Fischer? Half of each? Some other %? But after that Fischer made the tournery six out of eight years, two championship game losses and no Big Ten titles. Beilein has made it six out of nine years, with one championship game loss and two Big Ten Titles.
So how do you judge that, Fischer has half a Championship(?), two other championship game losses and no Big Ten Titles. Beilein has one championship game loss, not even half a Championship and two Big Ten titles. Fischer did better in the tournery, vs. Beilein has better regular seasons? Which is more important? Now MaizeHaze, I am sure you will say Fischer is clearly better then Beilein, and Frieder was too, and I am some kind of Beilein apologist. But I am just presenting the facts man.
If you want a better recruiter, then yes, we need to get rid of Beilein, but as far as the actual performance of the basketball team Beilein has at the very least matched the historical regular season performance, if not quite the fivish year tournament performance peak.
TLDR - Just the facts.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Were you sent here by the devil?||
Were you sent here by the devil?
|21 weeks 3 days ago||Watkins||
Other recruits (Watkins and Scott the only two I actually know of) have chosen Clemson over Michigan in completely different recruiting situations, therefore that makes Clemson the favorite or at least a huge threat for Gary because Michigan just can't close on big time recruits vs. Clemson.
Or so the extremly panicked and pessimistic people around here would have you believe.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Manuel||
I think everyone is excited to have AD who has experience running an athletic department and working in college athletics and is familar with Michigan and what is needed to work there. You will get the occasional Hackett with no prior athletic department experience, but I think people are now very resistent to another business hire aafter notable high profile failures like Brandon and Steve Patterson at Texas.
I don't know the stats for AD's across all of college sports, but it would seem like the safer road in AD selection is someone with experience, and at this point Michigan needs a safe pick, who will keep things going well, not a risky selection to shake things up, at least that is my opinion.
|22 weeks 3 days ago||Thanks||
Thanks for the response. I knew she was the runner up last year and Haeger graduated, but I assumed there were other really good players coming back and wasn't sure whether the was the favorite, or just one of a few on a short list preseason.
|22 weeks 3 days ago||Romero||
For anyone here with more softball knowledge then me, is she the favorite to win NPOY heading into the season?
|22 weeks 3 days ago||Connor Cook||
But how will this affect DPJ and other recruits?
|22 weeks 3 days ago||Attention||
Have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Harbaugh. He is always drawing huge amounts of attention to himself and the Michigan football program. This means tons of talk about the summer swarm tour and his recruiting sleep overs and a lot of talk when he does something potentially "bad".
People are tired of talking about the SEC doing this because it has been going on for years and is not going to change, this is seemingly new to Michigan. Michigan has always, and presumably will always draw a lot of attention, so naturally there is going to be a lot of talk when Michigan starts recruiting like SEC teams.
I am not trying to pick on you directly, but fans need to accept the negative attention that comes along with all the positive attention. Michigan is a target, which comes with being a historically great university and football program. I would much rather all this attention then the constant whining and complaining that comes with being an MSU fan about how no one ever pays any attention to you.
|29 weeks 18 hours ago||Sumlin||
I mean he is one really bad year away from basically being Brady Hoke isn't he? Huge success in the first year with another coaches players carried by a superstar playmaker at QB (Manziel and Denard) then settled into a string of great recruiting success but mediocre results on the field.
He followed up his 10 and 2 season and a win over Bama with 8 - 4, 7 - 5, and now 8 - 4 again. Not to mention the second highly regarded QB to transfer in as many years. If he really wanted an NFL head coaching gig he should have jumped after year two.
But Herman at a place like TAMU or Texas could be scary.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Coach Flood||
10 current job openings in college football, and yet Kyle Flood, a guy who sent an e-mail to a professor to try and get a players grade changed, can't recruit that well and hasn't had great results on the field still has a job. Nothing crazier then college football.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Hoke||
Weren't there rumors floating around when Meyer first took the OSU job that his staff was telling recruits Hoke would look at NFL jobs? Laughable I know, but I feel like that was a thing.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Why does Hunwick belong in a||
Why does Hunwick belong in a discussion above Denard but not Romero? In addition, why is a women rewriting Michigan softball records not in a discussion to be above Denard other then you liking football, basketball and hockey more then softball?
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|1 year 7 weeks ago||Triangle Posbang||
Durham resident checking in. Where are we meeting for beers before the game?
|1 year 7 weeks ago||U of M/NC State||
My NC State friends down here are saying there should be no problem getting tickets. Should be able to got to StubHub or the like and get relatively inexpensive tickets.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Don't Worry||
I logged in so I could down vote him and I doubt I was the only one.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Cardale||
You do know he said this was a joke correct?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Harbaugh||
I want Harbaugh to succeed as a the head coach here for the obvious reason of loving Michigan football. But now I want him to succeed even more becasue this has been such a great few months with him as coach because he just does not care about what anyone thinks about him and it is amazing.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Bo Ryan||
I think it is far to early to say there has been much change in Bo Ryan. I think his scheme and style of play have remained largely the same, he just has more talent at his disposal then he has ever had before, so his offensive efficiency has shot through the roof.
I wonder if this is a lasting trend for Wisconsin. Next year without Kaminsky and possible Dekker, along with losing Gasser and Jackson, will Wisconsin still be great offensivly or will they regress and Bo Ryan go back ot winning games 42 - 41.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Wisconsin and Kentucky||
I have never found Wisconsin's offense ugly, I think it is well taught and well executed. It is their clutch and grab defense I find ugly.
As for Kentucky, I agree their offense is ugly, because their offense is non-existent. For all their talent I am not sure any of them actually know how to play basketball involving the four other guys on the court.
With all that being said, I would much rather have an offense like Michigan the last two years or Notre Dame this year. Also well taught and executed, space the floor, have good shooters and take the first quality look available. Wisconsins offense is fine, but I would prefer a bit more of a wide open game with less shots taken with under 10 seconds on the shot clock. I could be wrong, but I think Wisconsins offense would be just as efficient but would have even more possessions if the shot clock was shortened from 35.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Bo Ryan||
I never denied he is a really good basketbal coach. Since he has been at Wisconsin they have never finished lower than 4th in the league, that is really impressive.
But I dispute your, "he did what he needed to do". Other coaches with limited talent succeed without playing a slow, grind it out, ugly style of basketball. But regardless, he is a quality basketball coach.
I will be interested to see if he can maintain this really high level of success or if it is a flash in the pan built on good coaching and some good luck (Kaminsky developing beyond anyones expectations and 2 really good basketball players, Dekker and Koening, growing up in Wisconsin).
|1 year 12 weeks ago||What a strange new world||
I am amazed at the number of people here who are crying foul over Bo Ryan not getting into the HOF this year. Don't we hate Bo Ryan? Isn't he alien Hitler or the vanguard of the bug people? He is still one of the biggest complainers to the refs in college basketball despite his teams undercutting shooters and bumping every guy who drives to the lane without anything getting called against them.
I guess when compared to Coach Cal he looks pretty good, I am just surprised at the number of people here calling for his immediate enshrinement into the HOF.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Kentucky||
Guys can overcome it (like WCS) but I wonder if some point the system will eventually catch up to Kentucky and some guys decide against it due to their desire to be the focal point and not risk being buried if they don't excell year 1.
Of course, by that time Cal might have another national title or two, so not like he has any need to worry about that now.