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|18 weeks 4 days ago||Unacceptable:||
Not having positive rushing yards every single game.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||Coaching||
HAving Al-Borges as our offensive coordinator.
|19 weeks 11 hours ago||Thanks for doing this||
I think this is worthwhile to look at.
But hopefully not for the sake of putting Borges performance into context. We already had the context, Michigan and our expectations/requirements of a coordinator. We should strive to get better and definitely not get worse (barring injury or flukes ya know). Ohio State is a blip, but I have reasons for why we should get too much hope from that for reasons I won't explain now.
Now if you wanna put it into context look at the two teams who are in the B1G championship game, which is where we would like to be so this is close to the context of Michigan, their offenses improved. Borges be not a good OC and not worth the money. I feel like there are just too many data points showing that to be looking for reasons to keep him by justifying his performance compared to other sh*tty B1G teams.
Also, what is wrong with Wisconsin? Every time I've seen Stave I've loved him. Has he ever been the same since that injury took him out for a season?
|19 weeks 1 day ago||An Idea||
To the people who "wouldn't lose any sleep" if Borges was fired,
Doesn't that indicate you should wanna fire him? Like if it wouldn't bother you one bit if the OC was fired, and this OC is making millions, he probably isn't pulling his weight.
I understand the "well who do we get" argument. (Except I don't but on its face it makes sense).
It's one thing if the OC leaves, but firing him should have a defined feeling as a no or yes given the importance of the position and the money he is sucking up from our institution.
Unless of course mediocrity and doing "meh" doesn't really bother you.
Also note, I am a far more a decisive person than the average cat, I never waffle.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||Let me clarify||
Of course championship teams play close games. But they play close games against quality teams. And at the very least their coaches do not DERP the game away. Something on the field happens, fumbles, interceptions, 100 YARD FIELD GOAL RETURNS. Not just the coach throwing away downs putting the team in a bad place in 7 out of 12 games.
My point is championship teams do not have coaches that throw away a quarter of all downs in 7 out of 12 games. And none of those teams OSU played really compare to the Akron Zips. as bad as boilerquest looks, they ain't the zips.
I'm frustrated because people are defending THROWING AWAY DOWNS. and saying hey, OSU has close games. so we can have close games against Akron. we can derp against connecticut cause OSU derps. Nick Saban derped. so Borges can derp and win the NC.
DERPING IS FUN!
DERPING IS KOOL GUYS
in defense of DERPING!!!!
I'm sorry, i'm in a bad place. Just defending close games against horrible teams. As it clearly precipitated the losses against more functional teams is... it's just a trigger for me.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||If from this point on. Nick||
If from this point on. Nick Saban continues to go for 57 yard field goals without fielding a coverage unit. and opposing teams keep getting 108 yard FG returns cause Saban decided to be a lizard brain and stick to his guns cause players "just aren't executing" on the field goal attempts.
Then yes, fire Saban. Until then I think Alabama should give Saban another year and let talent and depth on the field goal unit come in. It's only gonna get better for them. That Kicker is a redshirt freshman. He's only gonna get better.
The MGoCommunity, in defense of horrible calls, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||#4 Auburn equivalent to the||
#4 Auburn equivalent to the Akron Fighting Zips. OK, good point, you got me there.
But if you are paying close attention, Alabama isn't going to win the SEC this year. so uh I geuss my point still stands. Even with the great Nick Saban, you can't make dumb calls and when a championship. Just one bad call and Alabama is done in terms of winning a championship. Better luck next year Saban.
Compare that to about a quarter of the downs that Borges throws away. We have no chance of being a Championship Caliber team.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||I dont remember calling OSU a||
I dont remember calling OSU a championship team.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||So we showed up in 4 of 12||
So we showed up in 4 of 12 games? I geuss that is twice as good as 2 and 12. IT still doesn't bode well for teh bowl game.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||One play away from losing to Akron||
is a good thing now?
Wow. The spin doctors are in full effect.
The problem isn't us missing the kick against penn state... but that we put ourselves (in part due to the ineptness of Borges) in a position where it came down to that point.
Championship teams don't have coaches that put the team in situations like that against team they outmatch, period. This will not be a Championship caliber team if the coaches throw away downs from the outset. At least with Mattison's defensive performance outside of the 4th down against nebraska, the players were largely put in the correct optimal place, but could not execute. (See Furman giving up touchdowns to OSU).
|19 weeks 3 days ago||They'll lose to state.||
They'll lose to state.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||Or maybe he was and saw us||
Or maybe he was and saw us lose? Did people forget that 42 is a bigger number than 41?
|19 weeks 3 days ago||Because "the absolute worst||
Because "the absolute worst thing in the world would be making coaching changes" is a quality point. No, it's hyperbole.
All of the things this person mention ignore the fact that Borges under performs. No one thinks the offense is gonna be worst. We could probably beat Ohio. What is clear is that Borges UNDERPERFORMS with the talent he has. And will single handedly waste downs and lose games because of this.
I think few people who wanna fire Borges don't think we'll field a solid team next year. We just know it won't compete close to the level it could compete at. Borges doesn't even recruit, he's just a lucky S.O.B. getting paid huge dollars to take excellent talent and field a mediocore unit.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Oh. To clarify I meant new||
Oh. To clarify I meant new this year. My concern is that it took us so long to run it this year. It boggles my mind he doesn't try to run it as part of the system until NW.
And don't come at my logic, and I won't come at yours. Cause I'm sure we are both really smart.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks Mr. Cook. This site||
Thanks Mr. Cook. This site helped me get into football at this deep level. I would've never been able to follow the program as I do without you guys.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Good point||
. Gedeon is because James Boss III was hurt.
Furman was because Jarrod Wilson was hurt.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||I certaintly wasn't calling||
I certaintly wasn't calling him a bust. Everytime he had the ball I LOVED how he fell forward. So "others' may have said bust I was saying stud ever since I saw him carry. And if you wanna claim the screen and short passing game was in full affect during the shit shows that were penn state and msu go ahead.
Yeah screens were marginally apart of the system. But Mr. Lizard Brain loves reverting back to his bread-n-butter I-Formation down waster. One well called game does not excuse all of the many breakdowns in play calling this past season.
Whether or not you want Al Borges fired pretty much boils down to one thing. Do you or do you not tolerate epic failures -48. never forget.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||LOL||
Yo dude. did you really link to a tag last used in 2012!!! LMAO.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||I hope people aren't listening||
I hope people aren't listening to people who see one good game and think "If only the season started here" ... then we'd be straight.
It's asinine to think that one more week was all the experience the line needed to be able to be functional up until this point. More logically it took 3/4 weeks to get this new screen using offense to work. But unluckily for us Borges tried this new offense at week 9 instead of during camp. So say hello to 7-5, and loss 9 in 10 years to Ohio. yaaaaayyy!!! .
pathetic. We've always had the talent... but unfortunately we've always had Borges :/
|19 weeks 4 days ago||lol||
We played Iowa a week ago. Can I have what you're sipping on?
Does it make anyone else sad that all of the talent we have an offense will be squandered by Borges and will result in a middling offensive unit ala 1999. That just doesn't feel fair to our recruits. All that talent, one maybe two good games. (One of them against Indiana)
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Rewatch||
the game. The second he gets touched he goes down. It's almost instantaneous. He ran well when there was nothing near him. And that's it.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Falling foward for 3 or 4||
Falling foward for 3 or 4 yards instead of back for 0 or -1? thank Green and Smith for that. Two people who wouldn't be playing if Toussaint didn't get injured and showed what they could do because Al Borges is a lizard brain that likes to have one main back.
And the throw back screen they added should've been theere ALL DAMN YEAR. You can say "i geuss" that's a difference but why weren't these things apart of the dang system all year? It wasn't apart of the system until after Nebraska/Penn State and every cried about it.
They try this new screen pass system and short passes and it get's iffy results, then sure enough after 3 weeks of practice they get it and put up this performance. The problem is they should've been practicing this system ALL YEAR. It shouldn't have taken until THE GAME for us to be able to execute at this level. They chose to run a lizard brain offense for the majority of the season and that caused the lack of execution until this point.
Yes this gameplan wasn't very different from Iowa and we may have executed better, that's because lizard brain Al took until week 9 to implement a reasonable damn offense. That's indefensible and he needs to be gone. We need a person who can be ahead of the curve and have our guys ready by the start of the B1G conference games.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||We have no PRODUCTION to lose||
The point they are making is that we have no production on offense to lose. Look at the second half drive summaries against IOWA. 6 yards of offense until the final drive where your Hero Devin fumbled the ball for the loss.
I mean... it's hard to do worse than 6 yards and a turnover. We aren't gonna win with that anyway. So there is nothing being lost by trying Morris. At worst it has no effect on whether or not we win.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||This times a million.||
I think Borges wil coach a horrible offensive attack. Nonetheless, Michigan comes out of this with a win. Defense plays strongly and get's some points. Green falls foward just enough time.
I have hope and I can tell the players have hope to. Can't wait for the game.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||Shane Morris||
will not get broken by Ohio State. The idea that Devin Gardner/Morris are shitting their pants at the thought of defensive linemen or pressure is ridiculous.
These are God damn football players. Their warmups involves getting concussions. Their celebrations involve concussing another teammate. If Shane starts he'll be fine.
Stop projecting your weakness and fear on true blue hardcore football players and let em play. I guarantee you Shane Morris would f'ing love leading the charge against OSU. If need be let him play.
There are reasons to not want Shane Morris to start. Fear isn't one of em. This is Michigan fergodsakes!
|20 weeks 2 days ago||This||
was uplifting. I felt like I would be forced to give up if we kept borges. (I also felt forced to give up if we gave Toussaint decent carries again, and I had kinda given up on THE GAME).
But this inspired me to keep on trucking. I've only been a michigan fan since I enrolled at the school in 08. (just missed the horror) So while I see that many of you all have gone through years of hardship. I've just started. (if 5 years is considered just starting) and I have a few more painfully mediocre years and snaffu's I can handle. I still be all in for michigan. I'll have hope for THE GAME and the program despite the coaching.
I enjoyed my time at Michigan and remain an avid Michigan fan because I will not let the enept Borges or the CEO-style manicacly evil Brandon decisions ruin my only chance at true devotion to a University. It's Michigan or bust, so Go Blue.
But please... Fire Borges and stop running Toussaint up the middle.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Personally||
I've had my account for a while. But I don't feel knowledgeable enough to say anything. But Firing Borges and explaining how Devin Gardner is bad feels like a compulsion to me because for some reason people are acting like having a young o-line means there are like 5'4 and prepubescent.
Our line is huge and more than talented enough to not lay eggs this large. And Gardner would get sacked by a paper bag. He has no pocket awareness (although greatly exarcerbated by the o-line play).
So long story short.. the reason why I'm talking now is that Borges and the offensive play is SO DAMN BAD even I can see problems with it and comment on it. I follow football very closely yet I can't even begin to predict what play any other offense is going run next. But with Borges I feel like it's painfully obvious. I can't not predict the play. That's a problem.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||Thank You||
I was hoping I wasn't the only one who wanted to fire Borges but keep Funk. I think that is the smartest option. Funk is a light's out recruiter.
Step 1. Retire Jackson. Fire Borges. Dan Heck*** becomes the running back coach and recruiting coordinator (he is currently recruiting coordinater and WR coach) . Hire a QB/WR coach.
Step 2. ????
Step 3. Profit (aka B1G championship)
|21 weeks 2 days ago||Uh||
Agree to disagree. That would be a great diary.
And don't be silly. I only said 70% of those two categories go to Borges.
There were some points you gave to NW /DnD I think were dubious but you make good arguments so I'm ok with it. Nonetheless we do have to realise Borges's culpability in Gardner's and the blocking performance.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||The issue:||
Who coaches Gardner ? Borges. Who designs the plays and the (mind boggling) blocking schemes required for them. Borges. (From my understanding Funk just handles the technique of the blocking, not the blocking scheme for a particular play).
So you can go ahead and take 70% of the Gardner and blocking f'ups and put that into borges.
Under that estimation 56.5% of the problem is Borges. That is even before the ball is snapped. That's the problem... that's how you have talent but don't produce.
Also I blame Borges for not benching Gardner earlier and letting Morris mature. Gardner threw about 5 interceptions this game and takes pointless sacks. Watch any other QB at a high level, be amazed at how they throw the ball away or evade the rush without doing their best impression of a headless chicken.
The simple fact is our offense is significantly more talented than Nebraska's, Northwestern's, and Penn State's defenses. Yet we did nothing. That's coaching, that's coaching, that's coaching.