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|11 hours 56 min ago||Legacy crap||
I think he may be really worked up about the Legacy crap.
|13 hours 33 min ago||Taxes?||
I don't think Lebron cares about taxes.
He cares about 3 things:
1) Respect, which is why he wants a max deal
2) The fact that everyone hates him, which he thinks coming back to Cleveland might fix
3) The fact that no one seems to count his titles equal to those of everyone elses because he "engineered" them in Miami, which coming back to Cleveland and WINNING might fix.
The whole thing seems crazy, but given what seems important to LeBron, this might actually happen. I don't see any other place where he could really get what he wants.
He may want to "undo" the decision. And honestly, who could blame him after what it did to his image? He got his titles out of it, but was it really worth it?
|1 day 8 hours ago||Agreed||
If McGary had a 1st round guarantee before the draft then he probably should have gone pro even without the pot suspension. His back injury made him coming back for another season rather risky. if he comes back and hurts his back again he becomes permanently damanged goods.
That being said, the McGary on that summer league tape looks like a lottery pick type player if he could have played like that for us next year.
|3 days 6 hours ago||Well||
what happened with Mitch's suspension sucked for him and for Michigan, but at least he landed on his feet. Getting a first round deal with OKC guarantees that if his back holds up (and it sounds like so far, so good) he should be able to make an impact. And if it doesn't, he should have a good chunk of change to fall back on.
Honestly, if he could have known for sure before the draft that he was going to go in the first round I would have told him to go even without the suspension. If he came back to Michigan next year and re-injured his back, I doubt he would ever go in the 1st round again IMO. He would have picked up the "often-injured" label and been too much of a risk.
|3 days 6 hours ago||A lot||
of authoritarian pricks would much rather be living in 1950.
|6 days 9 hours ago||LOL||
Ok. Only 5 guys in history drafted below #9 have won it. But I do admire your blind Michigan homerism.
|6 days 9 hours ago||ROY?||
Not to burst your bubble, but I believe the last time someone not from the first round won the NBA ROY was 1957-58.
|1 week 4 hours ago||Exactly||
NOTHING about the 2nd round is good. It's a massive disappointment for someone like GR III who was a 1st round talent. It's the equivalent of a star football player who was at one point projected in the 1st or 2nd round going in the 7th round of the NFL draft.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Have you ever seen a feature on the D-League?||
It's utterly depressing. No fans. No perks. I't like playing single A baseball. Everyone there is just desperate to do ANYTHING to get themselves noticed so that they can escape.
|1 week 13 hours ago||I guess||
if you assume he couldn't repeat the performance he was giving at the end of the season last year and that he wasn't going to get any better at all, then yeah, abandon ship and go. I saw a guy with a ton of potential who was finally putting it together and who, if he played like he was capable all year, was pretty much a mid to low first round lock, somewhere in the 17-27 range.
Oh well, his life, now he's gotta battle back and make what he will with it.
|1 week 13 hours ago||The fact||
that people are negging you for stating obvious facts shows the lunacy of people in this thread. They are utterly delusional. And pretty much incompetent at math.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Right||
There was no guarnatee he makes a jump in 2015. But the value of making those improvements in college and THEN going into the draft are HUGE. Right now he's facing the possibility of not even being signed to his team.
You are probably right that he should have gone after his freshman year but that is really big hindsight, as no one could have forseen that he would play so poorly for a good chunk of 2014. My point is, he lit it up during the end of 2014. I mean, he played really well for the last month of the season. IMO all he really had to do is keep playing like that for an entire season and he's probably a 1st round pick.
|1 week 23 hours ago||Not much of a worse situation to slip to||
Yeah, if he had just sucked he could have slipped entirely out of the draft, which would have been worse. That wasn't very likely. and if his abilities are really that suspect then he is done anyway. There is always the spectre of a major injury and that is the one thing no one can control. Again, that wasn't very likely, and he would have still been likely to go in the 2nd round unless his future to play basketball was in jeopardy.
Honestly, the people in this thread talking about his 2nd round draft position as if it is some sort of great "opportunity" are delusional. The "opportunity" you have is the NBA DRAFT. THAT is your big shot. When a talent like GR III goes in the 2nd round of the draft, there is no "silver lining". It is a collosal error on the part of his team of advisors. They either gave him terrible advice or they were being fed bullshit by some NBA teams who told GR III they wanted him in the 1st round and then passed on him. Or some NBA team did honestly want him but then changed their mind when someone else dropped to them. Who knows what was promised to GR III?
You guys can spin it all you want. This was clearly a massive mistake by GR III and the article posted by the OP has it right--he was one of the obvious guys in the draft who had the most to gain by coming back for another year of college ball.
None of this means GR III can't still make it now. But his road is about 4-5 times harder now than it would have been if he had been drafted in the first round.
|1 week 23 hours ago||It's because of the guaranteed contract||
Since 1st rounders HAVE to be paid for 2 years, teams look at them as a sunk cost and throw them out onto the floor and push them to be developed/contribute. Shockingly enough, the players that play/practice get better.
On the other hand, 2nd rounders are completely expendable and end up being the first ones cut/send to the D-league/shipped over seas. They have about 5 seconds to make a major impact and get someone's attention. If they DO, they have a shot. Otherwise, they are done.
It's a massively unfair system for the 2nd rounders, but that is the system, and that is why if you actually have talent, you want to do eveyrthing in your power to be a 1st round pick.
|1 week 1 day ago||D-League? Really?||
I bet if you polled the guys stuck in the D-League and asked them if they'd rather be in the D-League or starting on a major Div 1-A team, about 90% of them would choose the NCAA .
|1 week 1 day ago||I don't buy it||
If there is so little time to "work on your game" in college, then why do we see guys like Stauskas and Levert take such huge leaps? Did they not have other obligations?
IMO, the time to work on your game is before your one big opportunity in life--the NBA draft. The draft is the one biggest shot you'll have to make or break your NBA career. If you don't get into the 1st round, well you end up having to do things the hard way.
|1 week 1 day ago||What the hell are you talking about?||
There is no, let me repeat NO situation where a player would rather get taken in the 2nd round or is "better off" getting taken in the 2nd round. McGary's agent was NOT trying to get him to fall into the 2nd round. If he was, McGary would have fired him and he would most likely have been banned from ever being an NBA agent ever again due to incompetence.
1st round picks are GUARANTEED 2-year deals. 2-round picks aren't even guarnateed to be SIGNED. So the last pick in the first round this year got $2.24 MILLION, GUARANTEED, the moment he got picked. The next guy picked got NOTHING. NOTHING. He might not even get signed to a deal and may never play a single minute in the NBA.
There is absolutely, positively NO situation where you would WANT to be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st round pick. NONE.
McGary, BTW, is guaranteed $2.83 million with his deal and can max out at $6.82 million if the team picks up all 4 years of the deal. Stauskas is guaranteed $5.62 million with a max of 12.42 million if he gets both of his option years picked up.
The idea that GR III is better off as a 2nd rounder than he would have been as a 1st rounder next year is, well, insane. There is of course no way to know if he would have been a 1st rounder next year, but to say that it doesn't even matter is just not true. Being a 1st rounder next year would have been considerably better for him than the situation he is currently in.
|1 week 1 day ago||You are getting WAY ahead of things||
Getting SIGNED to an NBA roster is the goal for a second rounder. Most 2nd rounders never make an impact at all, let alone make it to a second contract of any value.
For most first rounders, succeeding the NBA and getting their option yeras picked up is the goal.
The only players thinking about starting the clock so they can hurry to their 2nd contract are can't miss guys like Jabari Parker.
|1 week 3 days ago||Mexico-Ned video||
Here's the video from Mex-Ned
Looks to me like the Mexico defender just barely grazes the front of Robben's foot and he's going to just run through it, then he realizes he's dribbled the ball away and won't be able to get to it, so he decides collapse in a heap like he's been shot. It's a total flop. Is it also a foul? I guess so. A really weak one and one that had absolutely no bearing on the ongoing play, but I guess technically still a foul.
Seems like the equivalent of giving someone a penalty shot in hockey for something that barely warrants a minor-penalty.
|1 week 4 days ago||'Not all 2nd rounders make it??"||
No, you have it just a bit wrong. It is MOST 2nd rounders don't make it.
You really really don't get it, do you? No one is writing off Glenn Robinson because of anything Glenn Robinson is going to do or not do. The problem is, SECOND ROUND PICKS GET SCREWED IN THE NBA. Teams give huge guaranteed money to their first round picks, so those guys aren't going to get cut, pretty much ever, unless they totally suck. So yeah, if a team accidently runs headlong into a future HOFer like Dennis Rodman in the 2nd round, then he will stick. But for most second rounders, they are given NO chance to develop and are always right on the edge of being cut/sent to the D-League/shipped off to Europe. They have to make a big impact immediately or they are pretty much done. because all of the development time is going to be given to the guys making guaranteed money.
None of that really has anything to do with GR III. He could put in tons of effort and still just get screwed over in a numbers game. I sincerely hope he doesn't. But I'm not going to sit here and poop out rainbows and unicorns for a guy that had a great shot of being a first round pick next year with just some moderate improvements to his game. All he really had to do was play like he did in March all next season, and without Stauskas around his offensive numbers should have been higher anyway.
Who said anything about not celebrating or appreciating what he did for Michigan? No one is even talking about that. I'm just not celebrating him going in the second round of the draft, because there really isn't anything to celebrate about that. Anyone with 1st round talent like GR III only leaves school early if they think they are going in the 1st round. If you don't go in the first round, either someone lied to you, or you listened to really bad information. Why would you want to celebrate that? It sounds like some teams had him on theri board late in the first round and then passed on him. So he basically gambled on them and ended up losing. That sucks.
Just because he played for Michgian does that make him beyond criticism? He made a decision that in hindsight is pretty terrible and has put himself in a rather bad position now. Maybe he will come back from it and have a great NBA career. Odds say he won't, but there are always exceptions. None of this has anything to do with his last two years here or take away what he has done for the program. But just because he's been a good player for the program doesn't mean that I have to celebrate him screwing up.
|1 week 5 days ago||LOL||
Using guys like Dennis Rodman and Anderson Varejao as examples of second rounders that succeeded just shows how much you don't get about this whole process.
Dennis Rodman played at Southeastern Oklahoma State University, a NAIA school. No one had even HEARD of him. It was a miracle that he was even drafted at all.
Anderson Varejao was a relatively unknown player for FC Barcelona. He was, again, a long shot at best.
Neither of these guys ever sniffed the first round. Yeah, they got a shot and they succeeded. What is your point? Their situations were 100% different than GRIII. They were probably THRILLED to be taken in the 2nd round. They had ZERO chance of ever being 1st round picks.
Of course you can go through history and find second round picks who were successes. We already established a number--it's about 25%.at the slot GR III was picked. That's still a massive drop off from the first round.
I'm done arguing with you. You want to celebrate the fact that a guy just made a really dumb decision and just made his NBA career goals about 5 times harder? Go ahead and celebrate.
As for you ripping on my parenting skills, I don't really worry about my kids making stupid decisions, because they are clearly already far smarter than your stupid ass. If you ever have any important financial decisions to make I pray you get a financial advisor first.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not my fault||
that you seem to be so dense. A basic understanding of the vast, vast difference between being drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds on fhe NBA draft is NOT really that difficult to understand. For most people. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is a wasteland of broken dreams.
It's just a simple numbers game. Whether your goal is to play in the NBA or just get rich, your ONE big shot in your life that will make or break you is the NBA draft. If you go in the first round, your odds of success go through the roof. If you don't your odds sink like a rock.
Sure, you can claw your way back up from the 2nd round. But by not getting into that 1st round, you basically just hung a 100 pound lead weight around your neck. I hope for GR III's sake he is one of the few that make it work out.
People on this board got all pissy when I said this about Manny Harris (who actually didn't even get drafted). Where is he now? People on this board got all pissy when I said this again about Darius Morris. WHERE IS HE NOW?
Guys that don't go in the 1st round of the draft are usually screwed. It's just the way it is. You don't have to be a fortune teller to know that.
|1 week 5 days ago||You seem to have a massive misunderstanding of things.||
For a major talent like GR III, getting drafted in the 2nd round is not a major accomplishment. It's actually a massive failure. I'm sorry that your understanding of the NBA draft is so unbelievably poor.
As for all of your "basketball will not define him--he will come back and get his degree and be successful yada yada yada crap". It's all crap. The point is, he had all his goals right in front of him for the taking and through a terrible decision, probably (around 75%) just flushed them all away. Why the hell should we celebrate that? It has nothing to do with me being hurt personally. It was a stupid decision. For ANY talented basketball player on ANY team to leave school after 2 years and not go in the first round is a massive failure. I don't care if they play for Michigan or UCLA or Florida or whoever. You leave school to go in the 1st round. If you don't go in the first round, you FUCKED UP. BIG TIME. And it will probably end up being one of the biggest mistakes of your entire life. Unless you really weren't talented enough to ever go in the 1st round. I don't believe that for GR III. He had 1st round talent. But he probably just flushed it away, unless he is one of the 1 in 4 lucky ones who claws their way out of the 2nd round to actually stick in the NBA.
Call me a hater all you want. Being called a hater by an idiot doesn't bother me one bit.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yes||
This was a major mistake that has the potential to haunt him for the rest of his life. Do you have any understanding of how money works?
Calling me a big time hater just makes me think you are young and have no idea how the world works. Hell, I guess you could be old and have no idea how the world works too, but I doubt you'd be calling me a h8ter then.
He had a great shot of coming back to school and going in the 1st round next year. 1st round draft picks are SET FOR F'ING LIFE if they invest their money properly. I'm talking never have to work a day again, instead of slogging through life like the rest of us shchlubs. Life is a cake-walk. And if you actually do WELL as a 1st round pick and you get to that second contract, well then you truly become one of the uber-weathly.
2nd round picks are luckly to make it. What was the earlier post in this thread--about a 25% chance? Not terrible, certaily better than anyone in normal life has, but considering a 1st round pick is set for life, a 25% chance of making it SUCKS compared to that.
So yeah, if the 75% (more llikely) scenario plays out and GRIII doesn't make it, he will probably regret this forever. Now who knows, maybe if that happens he can make good enough money in Europe or whereever that he still won't have to work like a normal person. Or maybe his dad will give him money and it doesn't matter anyway. But he was SO CLOSE to being set, and he threw it away because he couldn't be patient and work on his game for one more year.
Look at what Tim Hardaway was able to do by coming back. GRIII could have gotten drafted in the 2nd round any time that he wanted to. Getting taken in the 1st round had to be he only goal, and for him to come out early and not have it happen can only be looked at as a massive failure. Getting drafted in the 2nd round is NOT a reason to celebrate. It's basically like going in the 7th round of the NFL draft--it's marginally better than being a free agent because at least you get looked at by the team. But you are still the first one out the door when the cuts come down.
|1 week 5 days ago||I keep hearing this||
but I don't understand why at PF he wasn't just BLOWING BY guys. He should have been able to take those guys to the rim at will. And since he couldn't, he should have spent his entire off-season figuring out why and fixing it. Yeah he was undersized at the four. MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU. It isn't like the guy is small. Dude is 220. I seem to remember a guy names Charles Barkley that was about Glenn's size who never had a problem playing against guys bigger than himself.
I'm not saying it was a perfect situation, because it wasn't. But it seems like the bigger problem with playing out of position was on defense. On offense, GET TO THE RIM AND SCORE! If he had lit it up on offense next year, his defensive mismatches would not have kept him out of the first round.
Oh well, it is done. Good luck to him.
|1 week 5 days ago||Best case||
I still say absolute best (dreaming) case scenario for NIk would be Reggie Miller. Same height/frame/attitude/style of play
|1 week 5 days ago||Why?||
Why should we celebrate him for making an incredibly stupid decision that probably cost himself millions of dollars? He wasn't going to go in the first round this year unless he just lit it up in the pre-draft workouts. It isn't like this is some sort of shock that no one saw coming. He was incredibly inconsistent during the season, didn't show NBA 3-ball range, couldn't get to the hoop on the bounce, and honestly, didn't show anything that would get him drafted in the first round other than outstanding athleticism and potential. He started to play great at the end of the year, and if he had put together an entire season of that kind of play next year, he would probably have been a lock for the 1st round in 2015.
With another year of working on his game, who knows where he could have gone in the draft? There will be no Stauskas to dominate the ball next year. He easily could have been our leading scorer. If he had worked hard and his game had taken a jump he would have been a 1st round lock. Now he has a higher probabiility of bouncing around in Europe than he does of sticking in the NBA. I'm not going to celebrate that.
The idea that we should celebrate a talent like GR III leaving early and getting drafted in the 2nd round is silly IMO. If a talented player leaves early and doesn't go in the 1st round, it is a major MAJOR mistake that has the potential to haunt them for the rest of their lives.
|1 week 5 days ago||Agree in general||
"Pathetic" might be a bit strong. "Underwhelming" might be the word I'd use. GRIII rebounded pretty much exactly the same as LeVert, who is the exact same height but 35 pounds lighter than him. That is pretty disappointing in my book.
Anyway you look at it, GRIII is NOT a good rebounder.
|1 week 5 days ago||Exactly||
GRIII was a good NOT GREAT player for us. That's why he didn't go in the first round. He played much better at the end of the year, but the reality is, he couldn't beat ANYONE off the dribble, was a mediocre at best rebounder, and was often the worst long-range shooting option on the floor other than Morgan/Horfort.
He wasn't ready to go pro, plain and simple. He still has loads of potential, but he needed to work on pretty much every facet of his game except his alley-oop dunks. which are world class. But, he went, so good luck to him.
|1 week 6 days ago||For anyone who says||
that Nik will be bummed about Sacramento being "boring"...you're talking about a kid who grew up in Canada and is so focused on basketball that he doesn't even have his driver's license yet. I don't think he CARES where he lives, as long as he's got a court to play on! He's a total hoops junkie.