"Northwestern fans can be both heartened and disheartened by the loss to Minnesota just like how nineteenth-century resurrectionists were heartened when they pried a heart from a freshly-buried corpse and then disheartened it when they sold it to a disreputable anatomist."
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|1 year 38 weeks ago||You're right||
I never should've come on here. I haven't been on here since I created an account to talk lacrosse about Michigan's new team last year. That discussion went a lot differently. I'm obviously not going to change anyone's mind and that's fine... so time to check out of this topic.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Would it make a difference to you||
If he spent 4 months on her instead of 3 years? Because that is how much time they were "dating" according to every news source out there. In the time preceding April/May 2012 and after September 2012 he has had real girlfriends.
But as a Mormon he can do just as much with his real girlfriends as a fake one... nothing at all until he is married.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||The best part of this thread||
Is every single post where you correct someone who has their facts wrong or present anything that doesn't say "whatever I don't care what he says he was in on it" or "whatever he's gay" gets immediately down voted.
I was directed to this thread by a bunch of Michigan engineers I work with... none of whom think Manti was in on it because they've actually paid attention to what has come out since the initial Deadspin article and we talk about it daily in the office. They told me the message board world was still thoroughly convinced he was in on it. I asked why and they said they want him to be in on it so nothing that comes out will change theirs minds.
The logic that "well, I think his story isn't plausible so he MUST be in on it" makes no sense. Our legal system doesn't work that way for a reason. It's darn near impossible to prove a negative. As an experiment, trying proving he was in on it. Try proving the other side you want so badly to believe.
How did he concoct this thing starting 2008 with someone he didn't know and had never met until November 2012? Why is there not a single person with first hand kmowledge who has come out on record and said they think he was in on it? Why has there not been a single piece of evidence uncovered so far implicating him in it with all of the digging that is going on? How do you explain the other 5 people hoaxed by Lennay from 2008 to 2012? How do you have a gay relationship with someone that you need to create a cover for if you've never met them until November 2012?
A large chunk of you already have your minds made up and that's your perogative. I hope at least a small portion of those who want to believe he was "in on it" take a step and try to be intellectually honest. You can still have your cake and eat it too... as Manti is clearly liar who lied about certain aspects of the relationship both during and after all of this... so he can still be a bad dude and shithead in your book.
But whatever, this is probably a waste of time as I'm sure this will just get downvoted and hidden too because it doesn't follow your desired narrative.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Did you read the post I replied to?||
I corrected a mistatement. He only told his parents he "met" her in 2009 as a lie to explain how he knew her... that's the only reference to that. It has aboslutely no bearing on their contact level/relationship. The timeline is really simple if you actually look it up. They only "dated" from spring 2012 to her "Death" in Spetember. The post I repleid to said they dated for 3 years. That's what I corrected. So where am I wrong?
|1 year 38 weeks ago||People HAVE been digging||
For over a week now. What have they turned up? A landslide of evidence backing up Manti's story and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON with firsthand knowledge to say he was "in on it." Nor a single shred of evidence implicating him.
The people Deadspin quoted have backed off their claims because they had no idea what they were talking about. One said "I'm 80% sure Manti must've been involved" as conjecture because he "didn't think Manti was dumb enough"... so not based on any evidence or fact, just his opinion.
The other source stated "Manti and Ronaih are family"... which is just flat out wrong. "Or maybe family friends"... something both the Te'o's or Tuiasosopo's have said isn't true.
So you had two people talking out of butts and speculating and discredited. But of course, you don't care. Because you want Manti to be in on it. So you'll just ignore everything else out there and stick to your conspiracy theories. That's your perogative.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||3 years?||
The sheer amount of inaccuracies in this thread by posters who have their minds made up is crazy. It's well established they "dated" for only a couple months starting in the spring of 2012 until September of 2012 when she "died." Before that it was an occasional tweet or facebook message or call at most. From 2008 to 2012 there are at least 5 people who have come forward saying they were the victim of a similar hoax by "Lennay Kekua".
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Not Floyd||
It was a polynesian fullback with no Notre Dame ties. Who knows what he meant or who he was referring to.
It's already been well established that he lied to parents about meeting her at Stanford and they're the ones who spread that story to the newspapers.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Logic||
I'll totally believe Manti was in on the hoax as long as someone can explain to me:
1. How you have a gay relationship with someone you've never met? If the theory is this was all a cover of him being gay with Tuiasosopo then how do you explain him never having met him until late November 2012? The only person pointing to them having a pre-existing relationship is the one unnamed Deadspin source who said they "were family" (which shows she obviously had no clue what she was talking about) "or at least family friends" (according to both sides completely untrue).
2. If this is a hoax for publicity, how did they mastermind this elaborate scheme starting back in 2008? Just walk me through how you would go about planning this with someone you don't know.
3. Explain why in either of the above scenarios Tuiasosopo would've also hoaxed AT LEAST 5 other people as reported by ABC. If this is all a cover for being gay or a part of a big publicity stunt plan, why is he hoaxing other people as Lennay?
4. Explain why Te'o would try to check out this person within the Polynesian community if he was complict and wanted to keep this going as a cover. Wouldn't you, in fact, want to draw as few questions as possible to your cover?
5. Explain why dozens of people have come forward after the story broke saying that Tuiasosopo either confessed to them or that Manti was not in on it or that they were hoaxed by "Lennay" or a combination.... but there has not been a single named on the record source with firsthand knowledge at any point that has said Manti was involved.
If you can answer those five questions, I'll believe whatever you want. But some of you want sooooooooooo badly for Te'o to be "in on it" you're willing to believe whatever conspiracy theory you want that Te'o MUST be involved. It's sickening.
The obvious, simplest answer is that Te'o got hoaxed and then lied a bunch after the fact. See how few crazy explanations and rationales are needed to justify that? SMH.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Are you serious?||
Kansas State basically lucked into a close win thanks to some crucial turnovers by Oklahoma at big moments... won by 5 points. ND just dismantled Oklahoma and won convincingly by 3 scores.
You obviuosly did not watch the Kansas State vs. Oklahoma game.
|2 years 1 week ago||Really?||
In what universe is beating a team 20-3 and not letting them run a single play accross the 50 yard line "barely beating" them? That's 3 scores.
Who would you rank ahead of ND? Ohio State who actually barely beat MSU by a single point thanks to a fumble getting blown dead?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Yes||
Very old news and really a neutral effect on Michigan... if anything, it makes the Wolverines' road to the NCAA tournament much easier because Denver is the only "top 10" team in the ECAC they would have to go through to get the AQ.
There is very little to no incentive for the ECAC to look into adding Detroit and I would strongly doubt that happens.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Home record||
I meant in general over the past 5 years or so, not just with long term respect to the series. My fault as that was unclear, I should have been more specific. In recent years ND has one of the worst "home field advantages"... ranked 105th out of 120, to be specific. Link: http://www.onefootdown.com/2012/7/2/3132935/nd-ranked-105-out-of-120-in-study-of-cfb-homefield-advantage
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Absolutely||
Smart money says take anything Michigan +3 or better. When is there not a very close game in this series?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Really?||
1. You do realize the guys reffing this game are Big Ten officials, right? Are you saying that Big Ten officials are going to be biased FOR Notre Dame?
2. Notre Dame is not an intimidating place to play whatsoever. Homefield advantage is basically zilch for ND... both in theory and practicality given ND's recent home record.
FWIW, I'd be tempted to pick Michigan straight up in this game given recent history, the injury to Jamoris Slaughter (i.e. get ready for a bunch of big plays against this secondary), and how crappy the right side of the line has played this year. This game could go eitehr way but either Denard is going to have to have an off day OR a maligned position for ND has to step up for Michigan to lose. If everybody brings their status quo game then ND probably loses because of a handful of big plays + inconsistent OL play. Just my opinion... an awful lot of question marks for ND that are being glossed over by playing sub-par offensive teams in first 3 games.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||When you say civil....||
Do you mean structural? Or general civil?
If you're a structural guy my firm is going to likely have an opening in about a month or so. Not sure if they're going to try to hire a high level person or promote from within and have an entry level opening (I'm guessing strongly that it will be the latter).
We're located DC/MD/NoVA area. The guy in the cube next to me is a Michigan grad too, so you'd feel right at home ;)
Hit me up at firstname.lastname@example.org if you want more info. We do primarily repair and restoration engineering and construction management in the DC area. Job market is great out this way as the Government never stops spending..........
(Also a fun fact, we have no Ohio State employees despite having people from just about every other Big Ten school... we hired one OSU kid a couple months ago and saying he was an unintelligent catastrophic failure would be an understatement. He is no longer with us.)
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Business school||
You're saying that Business Week, who uses clear metrics that make perfect sense and look strongly at things like job placement, is not valid because......?
You say "insecure," I'd say they're only rational defending the academics. ND's degree has an ROI second to only Stanford in schools that play FBS football and is equivlent with Yale. Maybe you're the one who is uninformed.
Also, why on earth would you go to ND for grad school? The grad schools at ND suck.
As for the academic standards excuse.... you couldn't be more correct. It's a ridiculous cop out with no basis in fact. The foreign language requirement has hamstrung ND with a couple recruits, but "academic requirements" wouldn't make a list of the top dozen+ reasons why Notre Dame is awful at football. It's a sad, sad excuse.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||What?||
I frequent IrishEnvy.com...... there has never been a single post on there about Hoke paying recruits or anything ridiculous like that. Nor anything Notre Dame winning a national championship this year unless it was someone being quite sarcastic. A poll conducted the other day shows that quite clearly with most thinking 8-4 with many thinking 7-5....
There is a thread about field turf because there's back-and-forth right now in the ND administration on whether to go forward with it. To say it's a done deal and that you got that from our board is... odd.
It seems like big portion of your post is just stuff you made up to say "oh look at those crazy stupid Domers!" I don't get it. Shrug.
|2 years 30 weeks ago||Slight Corrections||
ND does not lose 3 starters on the OL. They return their C, LG, and LT in Cave, Watt, and Zach Martin. They replace Taylor Dever and Trevor Robinson with (likely) Christian Lombard + 1 other fresh face.
They don't even come anywhere close to losing 6 starters on defense much less 4 in the secondary. They lose Gary Gray (sucked, see game last year against Michigan for evidence), Robert Blanton (eh... OK player) and Harrison Smith (really good and is likely the #2 safety off the board in the NFL draft). But they return Jamoris Slaughter who is probably a 4th round caliber NFL safety and Zeke Motta who has played a ton of football but sucks maybe even worse then Gary Gray. So they're basically replacing 2 starters at CB and shifting former co-starters into full time roels at safety.
They lost one "starter" at LB and none on the DL. Aaron Lynch, Louis Nix, and Stephon Tuitt are the DL starters plus Kapron Lewis-Moore coming back from injury. LB remains to be seen who actually gets starting nods but all players return except for Darius Fleming who was a starter but split reps at times with Ishaq Williams and Prince Shembo.
So with the "worst case" math ND loses 4 starters on defense in Gray, Blanton, Smith, and Fleming. Using "best case" math they are only replacing 2 starters with fresh faces... both at CB.
Yes, ND will suck this year and be lucky to go 7-5 because they will be worse than Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, and Michigan for absolute sure. But they aren't losing as many people as you said and I just wanted to correct that.
|2 years 32 weeks ago||Congratulations!||
Congrats on your first win. Michigan has some good recruits already signed up in the next two classes and will be turning the corner into a competitive team in no time.
|2 years 33 weeks ago||"My Twitter was hacked"||
Almost as foolproof as the Chewbacca defense.
|2 years 51 weeks ago||How about '05 and '06||
Both in your lifetime. Back to back BCS games. Beat #3 Michigan in '05. #2 preseason team in '06 (laughably overrated...) but were a top 10 team for almost the whole season.
Michigan hasn't been in a BCS game since '04 and '06... that's incredibly comparable to Notre Dame. Both games they lost, just like Notre Dame. Would you say Michigan is irrelevant? Of course not.
Relevance = filling stadium, still attracting good recruits, still pulling good TV ratings. The Under the Lights game this year showed just how relevant Michigan and Notre Dame still are... did you see the ratings for that game? Anyone arguing that Notre Dame is "irrelevant" either doesn't understand the word or is a hater. It's that simple.
Competitive? Hell no. Notre Dame absolutely sucks this year and hasn't been in the BCS picture for 5 straight seasons now. Don't confuse that with relevant.
|2 years 51 weeks ago||Serious question||
Put yourself in Brian Kelly's shoes, where in here do you call the timeouts?
Usc 1-10 at Nd49 USC drive start at 06:43.
Obviously, you start off wanting to save your timeouts and get a stop... then USC picks up a first down on 3rd and 5 with about ~4:30 minutes left on the clock. Still time to get the stop and save your time outs... but then McNeal picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 4 with about 2 minutes left inside the ND 10. At this point you can either blow all your timeouts and get the ball back with about 1:40 down 3 scores... or take the loss. I can see someone saying that not using your timeouts here is "quitting" but I don't know if there is a team in the history of college football who has come back from being down 3 scores in 1:40. If there is, I'd love to see a link to it.
|2 years 51 weeks ago||The reason why Notre Dame will never be good again||
Is that every mistake is amplified x1000. BK yells at a player? OMG HE'S THE DEVIL!! WHAT A BAD MAN!!! And I'm still hearing about it on ESPN. Notre Dame doesn't use their timeouts when USC has the ball inside the ND 10 with 2 minutes left down 14? OMG THEY'RE QUITTERS!!! QUIT QUIT QUIT!!! HAHA ND SUX!!!
Meanwhile Nick Saban flips out in a press conference and curses at the media and everyone just laughs it off. Oh that Nick Saban... his temper is so adorable. Nick Saban also grabbed a kid by the facemask and chewed him out basically spitting in his face. On natonal TV. And no one cares.
It is just insane the microscope Brian Kelly is under. I think about some of the stuff I heard our lax coach say to the players and refs during games... and I just crack up thinking about what the reaction would be if he had to live in the same fishbowl as Kelly.
|2 years 52 weeks ago||Very good post||
It can and will become a big time sport in Michigan. Just a matter of time. It's an incredibly fun sport and the physicality of the game (like hockey) lends itself well to football fans.
I covered the record setting game hosted by Ohio State against Notre Dame in 2009 for Inside Lacrosse. Was a lot of fun to see 30k+ fans at the game, and they were pretty into it in the first half but after ND went on a 7-0 run in 3rd quarter they got pretty darn quiet, which was disappointing. Can't imagine what the game will be like between Michigan and Ohio State before spring football games... Michigan is probably about 3 years away from really being able to compete with Ohio State, but they'll get there. Michigan is already recruiting pretty well and will continue to pick up steam over at least the '13 and '14 classes as kids look for early playing time.
Hope that either the University of Michigan or some donors pony up the money for facilities. ND was lucky enough to have the Arlottas donate the best lacrosse only stadium/facilities in country... and it really does have a wow factor on recruits who see how much better things are in South Bend than at some east coast power houses like Duke and UNC. Johns Hopkins is just now starting to build new facilities to keep up.
|3 years 1 day ago||Because the QS ranking...||
...puts heavy emphasis on research (which Notre Dame does not) and in general is incredibly flawed. "Ranking" schools is silly as a concept, but it becomes truly ridiculous when you see something like this.
ND comes in #9 on ROI for a degree; and then if you look at SAT scores, GPAs, etc. of the kids getting in there it is CLEARLY a better school than Ohio State or Michigan State. #200+ is just absurd and completely invalidates the "methodology."
This is by the same US News people not using the QS methodology: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+2
And this is ROI on your degree: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/06/30/top-20-colleges-that-offer-best-return-on-investment/
|3 years 2 days ago||All Michigan||
USC "cold shouldered" him out the door (can't blame them, they have like five thousand 5* WRs), Cal sucks, and Notre Dame hasn't been recruiting him hard for multiple months now. I seriously have no idea why he is still visiting for the USC game. Maybe just to hang out... maybe to do some recruiting for Michigan... who knows. But I will be socked if he doesn't commit to Michigan.
Very good player. Premptive congrats.
|3 years 5 days ago||Yes||
Like when Mouton got suspended retroactivley for punching a Notre Dame guy. If Dantonio has any morals (which he doesn't) he would suspend him right now for their next game after watching the replay. Then again, Rich Rod didn't suspend Mouton and tried to defend him punching a player.
|3 years 5 weeks ago||NDNation...||
...is full of a bunch of mouth breathers. I refuse to believe I attended school with any of the people on that site. Sadly, I'm sure I did.
That was an insane game. The most on the edge of my seat I have ever been since the Bush Push game. And even more heartbreaking.
Notre Dame is losing these games because we suck and have no leadership. Period. No excuses. No blame. You just have to totally suck to let a guy get loose for 64 yards with 23 seconds left to play with a secondary full of upperclassmen.
Congrats on your win. And you all should root for us next week... because no one likes to see mass suicide, right? Also, ND kicks rule breakers out of school instead of letting them play without suspension like MSU which means we're the more morally acceptable school to root for.*
*yes, that is sarcasm.
|3 years 7 weeks ago||Using the Tulsa and Navy losses as examples||
Is really flawed. Tulsa, besides their opening drive, couldn't move the ball and only had one offensive TD in the whole game. They got their points off of a blocked XP, int return for a TD, punt return for a TD, etc. Navy runs a completely and utterly different offense than Michigan.
I think Michigan wins but it has nothing to do with Navy or Tulsa or anything that happened last year. It has everything to do with the environment that the Irish will walk into at the Big House and the fact that Michigan will be much better on defense. I just don't see Notre Dame scoring many points and I see Denard going Superman at least a couple times.
|3 years 9 weeks ago||I actually covered for Inside Lacrosse||
The record setter in '09 when Notre Dame beat the crap out of Ohio State in the 'Shoe. Was right before their spring game and a great atmosphere. Great way to get people who wouldn't usually turn up for a lacrosse game exposed to the sport.
I think with it being Michigan vs. Ohio State in the Big House it will be even better. Hopefully they can start doing that rivalry matchup before the spring game each year alternating between the 'Shoe and the Big House.