Didn't really break rules, but some pretty gross sexual harassment allegations and marital infidelity. Pretty sure he'd still be there otherwise, they were decent pretty consistently.
The only thing I'd add is that this season is the first in a few years that we haven't improved our record to some level, and it's because of injuries. If I recall, we had our first "down" year three or four years ago when our two best offensive players - Ian King and Kyle Jackson - almost never were healthy enough to be on the field at the same time. This year, our clear #1 guy, Brent Noseworthy, just got back on the field after missing a few games, plus we've been without our top FOUR faceoff options since the second or third game of the season. That's insane, and it's a recipe for disaster when other teams have clean enough offenses to hold onto the ball for extended periods of time.
So I'm personally viewing this season as a blip in the radar, after six of the first seven seasons were a clear step up from the previous season.
I live in Syracuse for grad school - last night there was a glaze on the roads and I-690 is not super well lit around there. Sad situation, but Jim probably didn't do anything explicitly wrong.
Nadelen's staying at Towson per Baltimore Sun. I'm guessing next up is Scott Marr. Beyond that, Gerry Byrne? Judd Lattimore, the former Michigan OC now at Holy Cross? Andy Shay or Ryan Polley? It's back to being a total crapshoot.
I see we're setting reasonable expectations for our new coach here.
But really. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We can be elite in a year or two, sure, but maybe let's win a conference game before we set the bar at a national championship within five years. The only precedent for that is Denver, who got damn lucky with Bill Tierney at exactly the right time.
I'd still take him. He's had a few down years, but they've still had good teams, and he's won championships, which is more than we can say for any other realistic candidate for the Michigan job.
Bummed to hear that former Michigan goalie Gerald Logan got ruled academically ineligible for Hopkins in what would've been his first career playoff game against Duke today.
Though maybe if Hopkins loses, Pietramala will be on the next plane to Detroit and we'll have an announcement on Monday.
I don't think they've ruled out using Glick. Either way, Oosterbaan is getting shrunk for football facilities, so it won't be regulation size next season.
Edit: Sorry. I should've read the OP to see that was already covered.
I feel compelled to step out in defense of JP to help create a little more substance to this discussion.
My Michigan fandom came not from the football team, but from the lacrosse team. My family has been attending games since 2004 (I'm relatively a young-in, I'll acknowledge). We've gotten close to a significant number of players, and many of the coaches, including JP. No idea if I'd know anybody who's come out on this board as a former player, but it wouldn't remotely surprise me.
Realizing that I have a bias, I'd offer that JP is still the best coach for this team moving forward on the basis of his previous work. He took the team from club to varsity club. He made that varsity club a consistent contender, though one that could never take the next step for a few years. After a humiliating first round MCLA tournament loss in 2007, he (along with the '08 captains) worked hard to develop a new culture for the program - a culture which created four straight seasons of being the #1 seed in the national tournament and more National Championships (3) than any losses (2) from 2008-11.
When he took over the varsity team, it went from how you'd expect a varsity club team to do at a varsity level early on, but then there were significant developments. In year three, we went from one win to five. In year four, we were in contention to sneak into the Big Ten tournament, and continued to put scares into top 20 teams. Year five has still been a setback, but setbacks happen (if we'd fired Beilein after Manny Harris' last season, we'd have been screwed). But even with that, we were a bogus call and an inch of the crossbar away from upsetting Maryland - not just a top 20 team, but a top 5 team without our two best scorers. We were hanging with Hopkins into the fourth quarter today. We've significantly narrowed the margin against teams that are competing for the national championship to the point where we're a bounce or two away from actually beating one, and that hasn't been true in any of the first four years of the varsity program.
Maybe the defense needs to change - at least to us, Broschart's been a nice guy, but that's not necessarily in his job description, so I'll defer to JP and Warde - but at the very least, let's give JP the chance to prove this is a setback and not a trend and not blow the whole thing up.
You can't hold a lacrosse team in its fifth year of existence to the same standard of Michigan's teams that have been around for much longer and have a much larger body of work.
There's much more to coaching than wins and losses (if you want more on that, let's talk about the tennis coach Brandon fired in BLL). We've spent years building culture and national standing in a sport where the parity has increased dramatically even since Michigan's first varsity season. You know what part of that culture is? You play the best - from the beginning - to be the best. For every blowout loss to North Carolina, there's a loss in overtime to a Cornell team that nearly went undefeated that regular season. For every blowout loss to Brown, there's a near-upset of a Maryland team we're not supposed to be in the same stadium with.
I'd suffer through ten more seasons of losing records if the culture JP builds sets us up for long-term success. Admittedly, I'm biased since I know the man, but I love his emphasis on developing a plan for sustained long-term success. Anybody who watched him flip the switch of the club program from being a top-ten program to a virtually unstoppable machine from 2008-11 knows where his head's at as he builds this program.
This is a top team that has been playing for decades and consistently puts out championship-caliber teams. We've been playing for five years, and while I get that people are upset that we're not competing for championships yet, try competing in recruiting with established powerhouses that have piled up Final Fours and Championships for decades. This is my main problem with everyone's complaints - we think about it as if the fact that we're four recruiting classes in means we should be winning all the time. It doesn't, nor should it. It takes longer than four years to build a reputation, and Maryland, Hopkins, Syracuse, and Virginia all walk in with decades of championship-caliber teams. We can't compare with that. It's different for football - Michigan has been dominant for literally centuries, and has an incredible pedigree for winning. The lacrosse team has five short years to build on. There's a little more nuance to it than I've seen the commenters on the board give credit.
Then consider we're short KJ and King, without question our two best offensive players on a team that knew that offense was going to be their main strength, and I have a hard time not being proud of these guys for taking a team as good as this team to the wire.
If JP's on the hot seat, this game has nothing to do with it. Hopefully this is a turning point and we're able to parlay this performance into 2-3 conference wins to get into the tourney.
Michigan took 14 of 24 faceoffs. Not Lott's best day statistically, but he did well, especially in the third quarter.
Both teams effective on the clear. Michigan 19-20, St. Joe's 22-23.
Michigan was very disciplined, but couldn't capitalize on St. Joe's penalties. St. Joes had one EMO and cashed in, Michigan had five and cashed in once.
Otherwise, I was a little surprised to realize how much the stats still favored St. Joe's at the end of the game. 49 shots to Michigan's 38, 40 groundballs to Michigan's 28. It seemed more balanced than that.
Having Peter Kraus makes not having Ian King around that much more okay.
We caught St. Joe's after an emotional high from the near-upset of Virginia on Tuesday. Statistically, we were clearly the better team in the first half, and clearly the better team in the third quarter. This game should not have gone to overtime.
This is still a great win. We should've won based on that dominant third quarter, but St. Joseph's held in tough and we didn't execute in the fourth quarter. Also very nice to get a win on the road against a team that beat us 15-6 in the Big House last year.
There was originally talk of moving to Glick several years ago when it opened, but someone decided along the way that the windows were a little too precarious for lacrosse.
So in a couple years when the new stadium opens, it'll probably be a pretty steady rotation between Oosterbaan, the new stadium, and probably one a year at the Big House.
With Notre Dame up 34-31 late, Jack Miller inadvertently snaps a lemon to Gardner who throws the lemon for a perfect strike to Funchess who scores a touchdown and then throws the game-winning citrus at Brian, which would normally draw an excessive celebration penalty, but the officials know it's for a good cause, so they let it slide.
And then MSU publicly announced that they are having class tomorrow and reminded students that 10-15 minutes of exposure to the wind chill could create frost bite.
Am I the only one who seems to think there's a method to Sherman's madness? Yes, he is kinda being a dick about it, but he definitely grasps that so much of football is mental, and he clearly got in Crabtree's head at the end. He backs up his trash talk with great plays- or just one great play, that happens to clinch his team's trip to the Super Bowl.
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Didn't really break rules, but some pretty gross sexual harassment allegations and marital infidelity. Pretty sure he'd still be there otherwise, they were decent pretty consistently.
This went well. I think this thread presented a strong argument for allowing politics on the board again.
Can you imagine that troll job, though? "There's nothing else Beilein can do to develop me - aw, crap."
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All this is pretty true.
The only thing I'd add is that this season is the first in a few years that we haven't improved our record to some level, and it's because of injuries. If I recall, we had our first "down" year three or four years ago when our two best offensive players - Ian King and Kyle Jackson - almost never were healthy enough to be on the field at the same time. This year, our clear #1 guy, Brent Noseworthy, just got back on the field after missing a few games, plus we've been without our top FOUR faceoff options since the second or third game of the season. That's insane, and it's a recipe for disaster when other teams have clean enough offenses to hold onto the ball for extended periods of time.
So I'm personally viewing this season as a blip in the radar, after six of the first seven seasons were a clear step up from the previous season.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to hear of this man's dismissal from this establishment!
I'm intrigued by the last segment.
Preach.
If you do it right, you don't need any bread to go with your limberger
Pretty sure we wore the blues in the 07 Rose Bowl
Hey, Boston College: Steve Addazio is fine and definitely has enough of a track record to hold a long-term job in the ACC, don't worry.
I'm deferring this evening to my trusty Founders Centennial IPA.
75-55 Michigan, and they'll decide to wear the practice unis for the hell of it
There are six games left and we have a 7-1 record. Winning record has not been clinched.
Monumental win, though. I think the team's known they can hang with the big boys for a while; good to know we can actually beat some, too.
This monologue perplexes me.
I feel compelled to step out in defense of JP to help create a little more substance to this discussion.
My Michigan fandom came not from the football team, but from the lacrosse team. My family has been attending games since 2004 (I'm relatively a young-in, I'll acknowledge). We've gotten close to a significant number of players, and many of the coaches, including JP. No idea if I'd know anybody who's come out on this board as a former player, but it wouldn't remotely surprise me.
Realizing that I have a bias, I'd offer that JP is still the best coach for this team moving forward on the basis of his previous work. He took the team from club to varsity club. He made that varsity club a consistent contender, though one that could never take the next step for a few years. After a humiliating first round MCLA tournament loss in 2007, he (along with the '08 captains) worked hard to develop a new culture for the program - a culture which created four straight seasons of being the #1 seed in the national tournament and more National Championships (3) than any losses (2) from 2008-11.
When he took over the varsity team, it went from how you'd expect a varsity club team to do at a varsity level early on, but then there were significant developments. In year three, we went from one win to five. In year four, we were in contention to sneak into the Big Ten tournament, and continued to put scares into top 20 teams. Year five has still been a setback, but setbacks happen (if we'd fired Beilein after Manny Harris' last season, we'd have been screwed). But even with that, we were a bogus call and an inch of the crossbar away from upsetting Maryland - not just a top 20 team, but a top 5 team without our two best scorers. We were hanging with Hopkins into the fourth quarter today. We've significantly narrowed the margin against teams that are competing for the national championship to the point where we're a bounce or two away from actually beating one, and that hasn't been true in any of the first four years of the varsity program.
Maybe the defense needs to change - at least to us, Broschart's been a nice guy, but that's not necessarily in his job description, so I'll defer to JP and Warde - but at the very least, let's give JP the chance to prove this is a setback and not a trend and not blow the whole thing up.
You can't hold a lacrosse team in its fifth year of existence to the same standard of Michigan's teams that have been around for much longer and have a much larger body of work.
There's much more to coaching than wins and losses (if you want more on that, let's talk about the tennis coach Brandon fired in BLL). We've spent years building culture and national standing in a sport where the parity has increased dramatically even since Michigan's first varsity season. You know what part of that culture is? You play the best - from the beginning - to be the best. For every blowout loss to North Carolina, there's a loss in overtime to a Cornell team that nearly went undefeated that regular season. For every blowout loss to Brown, there's a near-upset of a Maryland team we're not supposed to be in the same stadium with.
I'd suffer through ten more seasons of losing records if the culture JP builds sets us up for long-term success. Admittedly, I'm biased since I know the man, but I love his emphasis on developing a plan for sustained long-term success. Anybody who watched him flip the switch of the club program from being a top-ten program to a virtually unstoppable machine from 2008-11 knows where his head's at as he builds this program.
This is a top team that has been playing for decades and consistently puts out championship-caliber teams. We've been playing for five years, and while I get that people are upset that we're not competing for championships yet, try competing in recruiting with established powerhouses that have piled up Final Fours and Championships for decades. This is my main problem with everyone's complaints - we think about it as if the fact that we're four recruiting classes in means we should be winning all the time. It doesn't, nor should it. It takes longer than four years to build a reputation, and Maryland, Hopkins, Syracuse, and Virginia all walk in with decades of championship-caliber teams. We can't compare with that. It's different for football - Michigan has been dominant for literally centuries, and has an incredible pedigree for winning. The lacrosse team has five short years to build on. There's a little more nuance to it than I've seen the commenters on the board give credit.
Then consider we're short KJ and King, without question our two best offensive players on a team that knew that offense was going to be their main strength, and I have a hard time not being proud of these guys for taking a team as good as this team to the wire.
If JP's on the hot seat, this game has nothing to do with it. Hopefully this is a turning point and we're able to parlay this performance into 2-3 conference wins to get into the tourney.
Barrow Bowl?
Going through the stats:
Michigan took 14 of 24 faceoffs. Not Lott's best day statistically, but he did well, especially in the third quarter.
Both teams effective on the clear. Michigan 19-20, St. Joe's 22-23.
Michigan was very disciplined, but couldn't capitalize on St. Joe's penalties. St. Joes had one EMO and cashed in, Michigan had five and cashed in once.
Otherwise, I was a little surprised to realize how much the stats still favored St. Joe's at the end of the game. 49 shots to Michigan's 38, 40 groundballs to Michigan's 28. It seemed more balanced than that.
Having Peter Kraus makes not having Ian King around that much more okay.
We caught St. Joe's after an emotional high from the near-upset of Virginia on Tuesday. Statistically, we were clearly the better team in the first half, and clearly the better team in the third quarter. This game should not have gone to overtime.
This is still a great win. We should've won based on that dominant third quarter, but St. Joseph's held in tough and we didn't execute in the fourth quarter. Also very nice to get a win on the road against a team that beat us 15-6 in the Big House last year.
On to Drexel.
WIN THE GAME
FOUR OVERTIMES
MOAR FREE LACROSSE
THIS IS THE WORST
GMFL
Eat the
Big possession.
Eat the clock, preserve the win.
Starting to get a little bit tense here. St. Joe's has momentum and is down by two.
Far too much game left.
Gerald Logan is singlehandedly keeping us in the lead.
Not bad, considering St. Joe's near-upset of Virginia earlier this week.
Gerry Logan with five saves. He's warming up a bit.
Started the half strong, finished the half strong.
There was originally talk of moving to Glick several years ago when it opened, but someone decided along the way that the windows were a little too precarious for lacrosse.
So in a couple years when the new stadium opens, it'll probably be a pretty steady rotation between Oosterbaan, the new stadium, and probably one a year at the Big House.
If there was any concern about Logan just needing to see some shots to get back in his groove from 2013, we can rest assured that he will see them.
This is the first year of B1G lax.
With Notre Dame up 34-31 late, Jack Miller inadvertently snaps a lemon to Gardner who throws the lemon for a perfect strike to Funchess who scores a touchdown and then throws the game-winning citrus at Brian, which would normally draw an excessive celebration penalty, but the officials know it's for a good cause, so they let it slide.
A few weeks ago, I told a guy I'd eat my socks if Watkins, Tate, and Megatron were all playing for the Lions in Week 1.
In the event that I must eat my socks, how do you suggest I prepare them?
The game is at Ohio Stadium, not in Ann Arbor. We've hosted it the past two years.
And then MSU publicly announced that they are having class tomorrow and reminded students that 10-15 minutes of exposure to the wind chill could create frost bite.
Is it wrong to laugh?
Am I the only one who seems to think there's a method to Sherman's madness? Yes, he is kinda being a dick about it, but he definitely grasps that so much of football is mental, and he clearly got in Crabtree's head at the end. He backs up his trash talk with great plays- or just one great play, that happens to clinch his team's trip to the Super Bowl.
GERRY WAT R U DOIN