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|28 min 19 sec ago||Exactly. Every one keeps||
Exactly. Every one keeps pointing to all the turnovers for a reason why they are bad. 6 of the 8 TOs in the Utah and ND game came after the game was over. It's not the turnovers that's killing us.
|34 min 32 sec ago||I'd prefer it if he left now||
I'd prefer it if he left now so I didn't have to read or hear any more of his bullshit.
|37 min 13 sec ago||And a trip to the red zone. I||
And a trip to the red zone. I hear it's a magical place. It's still one of our goals to get there one day.
|13 hours 3 sec ago||Yes, but make Mattison||
Yes, but make Mattison interim coach
|13 hours 3 min ago||Mattison fixed a bad defense||
Mattison fixed a bad defense and the offensive players that Rodriguez trained were able to do well enough on offense to be successful. Also, Denard. The players Hoke has taught haven't been able to do anything.
|18 hours 7 min ago||I hate this sentiment. I||
I hate this sentiment. I really do. You can cheer for Michigan but also want the rest of the conference to do well too. Bad Big Ten is bad for Michigan too.
|21 hours 48 min ago||Opinions are like assholes: everybody has one.||
Opinions are like assholes: everybody has one.
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|21 hours 50 min ago||Football is more year round||
Football is more year round in the south and out west. You'll see a lot more 7 on 7 type things taking place in the offseason and the coaching and emphasis on football is greater too. So while the B1G footprint makes up 24% of the Midwest recruiting! the lack of emphasis on year round football and coaching sees them drop to 9% (give or take depending on the randomness of the year) when it comes to making up the top recruits.
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|1 day 21 hours ago||How is it a bad move for P&G||
I don't see how this is a bad move for P&G. Breast cancer awareness month in the NFL isn't really about breast cancer awareness at all, its about selling pink appareal to women. And because of all of the off-field issues, that whole month is shaping up to be a really awkward month for the NFL. And the last thing P&G needs is their logo front and center when every news outlet in the world is showing players and the NFL hypocritcally draped in pink gear.
And if the NFL gets their shit together, P&G can always comes back next year or the year after.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Road games||
To me, the biggest indicator that he's mediocre is the complete lack of any sort of success on the road. Road games are all about preparing your team and getting them in the right mental state to play in front of a hostile crowd. Hoke's teams have all been terrible on the road and that reflects on the coach.
|2 days 16 hours ago||What have you seen from him||
What have you seen from him that makes you think he'll be a great coach? Not trying to be an ass, just curious.
|2 days 19 hours ago||History isn't on your side||
Also there's no shot in hell that we're losing only three games over the next three seaons combined. The only time that's happened in the recent history for Michigan was in the early 70s under Bo. We have a loooooonng way to go before we're there again and given the changes in the college football and the US in general I don't know if we'll ever get to that point again.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Until they can win on the road, I don't believe it||
The thing is, we said the exact same things about UConn last year. UConn was just as bad as Rutgers is. You can't deny that Michigan has been just awful on the road under Hoke and terrible teams always seem to get it together when they are playing Michigan. So given all of that history, I just can't see Rutgers being an easy win. Barely beating UConn surprised me. Losing to Rutgers wouldn't.
|2 days 19 hours ago||There haven't been signs though||
Look, I'm with you on the it takes time front, but when it comes to coaches success does happen overnight because you're a good coach. And if its not overnight, its in 1-2 seasons. We're in season four and its just as bad as seasons 2 and 3.
At some point you have to have some sort of indication that things are headed in the right direction to allow someone to have the opportunity to continue in that direction. And there haven't been any signs of improvement on the team. Its a different excuse every year, and I just don't see us on an upward trajectory. We look like a team that's going to be 8-4 or 9-3.
So while its nice to fantasize about a time when we're consistently winning double digit games a year, I just don't see it under Hoke. The man has had two seasons in his entire head coaching career where he's won more than 10. If you're expecting him suddenly blossom into a top level coach, I think you're going to be disappointed.
|2 days 20 hours ago||You think his job is secure?||
I would say Michigan is definitely not fine. They've been below their own standards for quite a while and this team hasn't shown any sort of "getting stronger" at any point in the last couple of seasons.
I mean goddamn people, are we really content with 8-4 being OK?
|2 days 20 hours ago||The precipice||
If he's not on the precipice of losing his job, he's certainly left his final base camp and is on the way to the summit.
|2 days 20 hours ago||I think you're underestimating this||
I think you're underestimating how high-level athletics (or any high-level job for that matter) works. If things are to the point where a coaching search needs to begin, Hoke will already know his job is in jeopardy, the players will know things are bad, and recruits will certainly know things are bad.
If we're to that point, there is no undermining the program because the program is already in jeopardy and a properly done coaching search is the best course of action to save it. What Michigan did last the last two times they had to find a coach is a perfect example of what not to do. Hopefully, they've learned from that and would actually entertain a coaching search behind the scenes so its a quick out with the old, in with the new transition.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Biggest "must win"||
I think "Biggest must win game" is probably more along the lines of what the OP was going for. Because you're right, if we win its no big deal. Business as usual. But if we lose? The blood is in the water at that point.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Depressing to think that way, but yeah...||
MSU and Ohio State are givens, but its depressing that you'd need to pencil in Rutgers as a loss as well. Given how bad this team is on the road, that game has to be a coin-flip at best.
I mean, fuck...Rutgers man. That would be a Hall of Fame level soul dong punch.
|2 days 20 hours ago||You could argue that, but you'd be wrong||
I see where the OP is coming from. Given what's happened over Hoke's tenure, yeah, you could argue this is the biggest game of his career. He's hanging on by a thread here on the ol' job security front. If he loses to a bottom tier Pac-12 team at home, then that bodes really poorly for the rest of the season, and I just don't see him recovering from it.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Doesn't even need to be a||
Doesn't even need to be a second SEC team they lose out to. Four spots for five conferences.
|6 days 15 hours ago||You think the Big Ten is the||
You think the Big Ten is the fourth best conference? May I have some of what you're drinking?
|6 days 20 hours ago||We match up even with them||
We match up even with them this year too. And they are still probably in the bottom third of the PAC-12
|6 days 20 hours ago||Especially when both teams||
Especially when both teams have a new OC. Utah is going to be a very tough game for Michigan
|1 week 10 hours ago||Utah is starting to look iffy||
This Utah game is starting to look like all sorts of problems for Michigan. They've scored 50+ in both of their games. Our offense is going to need to score and score often I think.
And watching this Rutgers game, I'm also becoming terrified of losing on the road to Rutgers. How awful would that be?
|1 week 10 hours ago||No way||
Your three contenders for the playoffs are MSU (blown out by Oregon), Ohio State (ugly loss at home to Va. Tech) and Wisconsin (loss to LSU). Of those three, only Wisconsin really has a chance unless Oregon runs the table and that's MSU's only loss. And in that scenario, Oregon is in, FSU is probably in, and an SEC team is definitely in. So you're left picking between someone like Oklahoma or Baylor and MSU. And their resume is going to look a lot better than MSU's.
I'm telling you, the Big Ten is going to be left out of the playoffs more than any other Power 5. They are that bad right now.
|1 week 11 hours ago||Big Ten is always going to be #5||
Unless they have an undefeated team, the Big Ten is always going to be the 5th team on the outside looking in when it comes to the playoffs. The stregth (or lack thereof) of schedule is going to kill every good team.
And your mid-tier ACC teams are a lot better than your mid-tier Big Ten teams. Did you already forget that Va. Tech beat Ohio State at home last week?
|1 week 11 hours ago||Takes both doesn't it?||
For Michigan to truely be elite, they need the rest of the Big Ten to be good. Look at Ohio State, they've rolled through their schedule (last 5 or so games excluded of course) the last couple of seasons, but I don't know if many would call them truly elite on the national stage. The knock is always that they beat up on shitty Big Ten teams.
This is one of the things that pisses me off about Michigan and Big Ten fans. They are way too short sighted when it comes to the conference. You should never, ever want the rest of the conference to "burn to the ground." The conference needs respect in the worst way possible, so you should root for the Wisconsins and MSUs to beat LSU and Oregon. What's good for them is good for Michigan. Because if the conference keeps going down the road its going, Michigan -- or any other Big Ten program for that matter -- can't build an elite program on a foundation of ashes.
|1 week 12 hours ago||Instead of ingesting them,||
Instead of ingesting them, you should sell those drugs you're taking. They seem like good stuff.
|1 week 17 hours ago||Do we need an advantage||
Do we need an advantage against Miami of Ohio?