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Looking for 2 to the Rose…

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Looking for 2 to the Rose Bowl. 

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I'm in the market for 1-2…

I'm in the market for 1-2 tickets. 

 

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But many of those are already

But many of those are already running at capacity

My money would be on bubble

My money would be on bubble screens - doing frustrating things while winning (which Beilen has done a lot) is easier to handle than watching your offense implode repeatedly when yards are to be had for free

The comment wasn't a slight

The comment wasn't a slight at Warde so much as a reminder of when Harbaugh, while coaching Stanford, called out Michigan for steering athletes into General Studies degrees. 

By those metrics then - Bo

By those metrics then - Bo was a failure, right? And the NFL and NCAA are full of fellow failures because it's pretty rarified air that achieves a national title in either league. 

It alternates each year

It alternates each year between the SEC-B1G for which team will be designated the "home" team

No, you read it right

No, you read it right

Different eras raises some

Different eras raises some questions of metrics but if we're annointing Saban as the GOAT different eras should be compared

Only if it's got a maize and

Only if it's got a maize and blue collar

Because of the controversial

Because of the controversial Emergency Manager office that oversees the city and reports directly to Gov Snyder. 

Exactly

I don't buy for a second that the governor wasn't being briefed on this - it was a 2 year public crisis with denials from the beginning

"It's never good enough"

"It's never good enough"

Those of us that comment on a

Those of us that comment on a blog devoted to a sport played by our favorite team in a giant stadium that generates millions of dollars of our fandom and sits empty the rest of the year probably shouldn't be pointing fingers at how a crowd might fund a living community with commercial and private properties for self-sustainability in addition to revenues from tourism. 

I always struggle with "irony"

Is it ironic to accuse another of "cherry-picking" data while refuting conclusions based on all the data points with two data points in isolation?

Caught my eye...

"I believe his uncle made a call to the university and spoke to one of the coaches because he has an uncle who is an alumnus," said Eastmond. "Once his uncle made the call the coaches started talking to him"

So it sounds like Brown's camp reached out to Michigan initially. That's pretty cool and shows that Beilen is turning some heads around the country.

Isn't the AD a separate set

Isn't the AD a separate set of funds from the academic institution?

I'm down with the suggested

I'm down with the suggested stadium tribute(s) but I'd center the legends numbers and work out from the middle instead of left/right alignment

This ^^^^

A hundred times this. As mentioned previously in the thread, actions speak louder than words and that cuts both ways. Wilcher is saying all of the public things that should be said but let's see how the recruiting battles play out the next couple of years for Cass Tech football players before we determine Wilcher has been hoodwinked or (worse) bought off, as some have accused of him. 

The Ghost of Yost?

The Ghost of Yost?

As ecstatic as I would be at that list

we really need some OL recruits in this class with the confirmed transfer of Kyle Bosch and (still rumored) transfer of others potentially

IIRC

Bo's offer to Harbaugh was a bit out of the blue (#rimshot) so those comments make sense to me and fit with my expectation that JH is a Michigan diehard that will love the chance to come back and right the ship (especially for the sake of his ego - recovering Michigan's lost glory puts him in the upper echelon of college legends alongside Bo and I think that's an opportunity he won't turn down).

Coaching Change/Controversy

Coaching Change/Controversy (depending on your mood or the state of the board)

I don't even agree with the

I don't even agree with the sentiment but that's very creative adaptation - bravo and +1 to you

Not sane

just a different kind of crazy

Two Additional Questions for Concern

1) Subjective Concern: The Moeller incident - no integrity, undercut a successful team's coach; significantly worse than Harbaugh throwing M academics under the bus. Integrity is higher to me as a value than an extra two wins/year

2) Objective Concern: How do academics at Michigan and LSU compare? How much of LSU's recruiting success is Les Miles vs LSU being in a hotbed of talent where football is all there is for some of these student-athletes? I don't know where or how to find the stats for this question but it seems to be an important factor in any transition for coaching at Michigan and there seems to be a significant difference in cultures comparing LSU and M.

Seniors were told RR was

Seniors were told RR was getting fired at least before the bowl game

I missed the part where 2012

I missed the part where 2012 was a failure -we lost to Alabama (NC), ND (runner up), beat MSU, lost to Nebraska when the all-time leader for QB rush yards got hurt, lost to #4 OSU in Columbus by 5 pts, and lost to #10 USCe on a last minute TD in the bowl game.

Almost all of the struggles of 2013 can be linked to Oline issues that seem to have been worked out this year (significant improvement) and were mostly related to an inexperienced interior line.

I read it as

"Screw the NCAA [this is more serious than sports, the accrediting agencies should deal with this]

2007

He should have remembered this speech before he thrrew Bo and Michigan academics under the bus in 2007. Give me the guy that never publicly criticizes Michigan and works like hell behind the scenes to make it better. Give me the guy that understands that "The Team, The Team, The Team," is more than a slogan.

 

If he's coming back, he needs to address those comments in his interview process and his answer should carry more weight than his coaching acumen. 

Opinion vs Controlling Outcomes

It's a bit disingenuous to treat this as "Mealer doesn't respect fans' opinions and questions their right to have one" - Mealer was upset that a fan opinion (held by many fans), which he disagrees with, carried more weight than the opinion of those in the athletic department (coaches, staff, players). That said, as a Muggle, I still think that firing DB was the right decision after the e-mails were confirmed.

Absolutely agree on the BS of "we paid for it" but don't treat us like customers hypocrisy.

Maybe you meant this as hyperbole...

Having an employee pick their supervisor is a horrible idea, might as well have the employee pull double-duty

Speaking of dumb...

Mattison is talking about when we're on defense and you're countering with when we're on offense.

Can't separate his "support

Can't separate his "support from the fans" from his "support by the AD" - plenty of reason for him to be upset even if Twitter isn't the smartest way to vocalize it.

New AD's Evaluation

Year 1 was great, all systems go

Year 2 ran into a buzzsaw against 3 Top 5 teams and lost the starting QB (and an all time offensive weapon) on the road at Nebraska, getting bit by a lack of QB depth

Year 3 was a tire fire, forseeable due to Oline depth chart but beyond expectations. Ended in close loss to nationally ranked rival on a failed 2 pt conversion attempt

Year 4 was digging out of depths of Year 3 while installing a new offense and defense. Bottomed out in an embarassing home loss to Minnesota, climbed back to respectability against Rutgers and was outlcassed against MSU. Turned it around at Homecoming and (hypothetically) won out setting up a team with strong potential for 2015.

OR

everyone's mad at Hoke in year 4 while he's operating under a microscope, let's pull the plug to satisfy the fanbase and let someone else have a shot with his guys because we've got a shot at brinigng in a credible coach with an established track record in college and pro football that has strong Michigan ties. 

Good Catch

I just went off the OP's original numbers before the correction and didn't catch it.

We ain't come here to play math!

No way he's fired at 9-5 with a midseason turnaround

That said, many who are calling for him to be fired have already made up their minds and will use the turnaround to confirm the decision they've already made - "can't evaluate talent - why wasn't Drake given more touches against ND," etc

The adjustments to a new a offense and defense were vastly underrated by many fans (i.e. "it's year four, we shouldn't be struggling" as opposed to "it's year 1 with offensive and defensive systems") and were further compounded by graduating leadership the past 2 years (Kovacs, Denard, Gallon, etc) and injuries (Funchess, Taylor, Peppers, Morgan, Kalis, Pipkins, etc. Yes these are all things other programs deal with (sometimes seeming to not struggle at all and other times struggling mightily and publicly) but they're still a highly contextualized reality the team is dealing with and facing. 

Progress over the course of the season (especially progress that looks like running the table) is what I'm looking for re: my insignificant and powerlesss opinion on whether Hoke and co. should be retained

Meh

He was on the bench because our D stripped him twice on the first two drives. Maybe being benched in the first half meant he wasn't gassed in second half? We held him to 78 yds last year so maybe we've just got his number.

To add to J Harbaugh tinfoil legend

Hackett played under Bo at Michigan 1972-1976.

Jack Harbaugh coached under Bo at Michigan 1973-1979.

 

Finckel is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finckel! Einhorn is a man!

^^^^^^ This

All things wrong with DB's tenure revolve around football. It's also been well cited on here that several of the things DB gets blamed for (gameday atmosphere, commercializing Michigan football) were trends that began before his tenure. Box seats began under Bill Martin - that changes the climate and clientele (especially since the absence of boxed seats leads to a faux-equality between fans). Unfortunately for him, he dropped the ball on THE major public aspect of his work. This was surprising in light of how well he handled stretchgate, etc but people react better when dealing with critics of others rather than critics of themselves. In the end he earned his "resignation" and we should be able to move on but people are kidding themselves if they think this automatically results in a "return to the Michigan gameday" experience from the 70s-90s that many cite. 

He was great for Michigan Athletics in other ways though.

We were significantly below average on defense so

above average defense during the RR era would translate to multiple additional wins each season

I live in Indiana. I pray we

I live in Indiana. I pray we beat them. I can't stomach listening to IU fans talk trash to me about football and basketball (they talk less about basketball as of late for some odd reason). 

Of more concern

is that he was an asshole toward Michigan while coaching Stanford.

OTOH

Sitting Devin, while costly in the short term, may bear fruit longterm. He seems more zeroed in and I'm seeing less of the sloppy mechanics (they've still been their on the ints against Rutgers and PSU). Admittedly I'm no QB coach but the first couple games it seemed like DG was just willing the offense and that got us into trouble against halfway decent defensive plays. 

Thanks for digging up the numbers for the full tenure.

As is often quipped - "There lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Pretty damning numbers BUT

I do think it's a bit selective to limit the data set to the last 8 Power 5 teams instead of taking Hoke's entire tenure into account (even if still removing tomato cans).

I'd be interested in seeing the full tenure's results and knowing why Drew opted to only do the past 8 games.

Thanks for some honesty

"But when you're trying to change things, often you've got to sacrifice in the short term for long term gain."

You're the first of the boycott supporters I've read acknowledging that this hurts the players even if you feel hurting them is justified to get to DB

Case Study

If I remember correctly, Southwest Airlines's CEO sent a similar response to a woman complaining about the 'inappropriateness' of jokes during safety instructions, etc. She threatened to never fly Southwest again and the CEO supposedly responded with, "We'll miss you" - a more polite way of saying, "Go find another team to root for."

I'm really curious to see what the original e-mail said that would prompt DB to go this route but it wouldn't surprise me if it was an ultimatum of some sort in which case, rude or not, I'm okay with the response. 

Here's the thing...

I think this is the result of Brady letting his coordinators do their thing. Nussmeir and Mattison are both the guys with responsibility for their side of the ball. While Hoke is the one ultimately responsible, I don't think he's going to get in the details of the gameplans because he's not going to hang his coordinators out to dry the way his AD does to him.

Of course you did,

you're watching on TV