honestly, that makes no sense. you root for the school you go to IMO- the team you rooted for in middle school/ high school has a lot less significance before you step on campus.
OK genius again you missed the point. It's more about Dirks getting the extra at bats because he's a rookie and they dont want to sit him for a couple weeks. He might as well get the bats in Toledo than sit on his ass in Detroit.
Did you listen to Leyland explain the move? because it makes sense. After the game he said it's not a demotion but the next couple weeks they're going up against mostly left handed pitchers (Dirks is left handed) - and rather than sitting him that whole time they'd rather have home go to Toledo and get 50 extra at bats in the mean time and then call him up in September again. Inge is a late inning defensive upgrade and he's a right handed bat so it makes sense when you think about it like that. Leyland even said it's "Not a demotion" just they want to keep giving Dirks at bats because he's a rookie.
EDIT: They also just picked up Delmon Young so they don't need him as much in the outfield anymore.
When you say "they," it sounds like you're referring to the linemen when it seems like you're trying to refer to the offense as a whole. Your point may be true on a whole but you proved it very confusedadiedly.
a lot of us are tired of this elitist bullshit around here. just because you have 1000000 points doesn't mean you know anything it just means you live on this site 24/7 and respond to everything you can. the way ideas are silenced on this blog is amazing for the high standards and intellectual dialogue it seems to want to hold itself to. its more like a high school clique than a place for discussion. whatever the cool kids say goes.
i agree wholeheartedly. and yet there's still no response to this from the MgoBlog elite. Seems they're happier trashing people than responding to fair arguments.
I noticed none of the other shit talkers here had anything to say so I thought I would. This is why RR is being held responsible. There was talent on these teams and he couldn't win with it. You're all diluting the facts if you can't see this. Thanks for this post making it painfully obvious especially as it refers to the defense.
i never said i don't care how i'm perceived. i don't on this website because it's just that.
do i care about MGoPoints? What's the prize for having the most of those? oh yeah that's why i don't care.
if you would have stopped and thought for a second why an argument like mine would make sense in context with many peoples opinions around here then it probably wouldn't have seemed so "patently myopic." If it's something you've already accepted fine move on. Many people haven't and I myself have had conflicting thoughts of the situation until recently.
and BTW- my post wasn't meant as a dead serious appraisal. It was somewhat tongue in cheek coupled with my opinion. Hence the "painstaking research" for a cut and paste from wikipedia. My opinion is that he was fired because of his putrid record historically placing him last among all coaches that have ever coached here- not because of all the other distractions people are choosing to focus on.
the point is it doesn't matter that we don't have "THE GUY" ready. the point is that RR is not "THE GUY" and we know that.
I liked the post about how OSU hired Tressel on January 18th or something like that. How's that working out for them? .800 winning percentage or something like that? 7 wins straight against arch rival.
The point is get the right guy even if it takes a little longer. In the big scheme of things a couple of recruits or a week or 2 worth of time doesn't matter.
his offense was #2-5 in YARDAGE. how did they play against the UW, OSU, MSU, and MSU? Glad you're happy with putting up 700 yards on Bowling Green. That really demonstrates progress. What proof do you have that the defense would get significantly better than wishful thinking? A bunch of low rated recruits coming back?
You're all drinking the kool- aid man. Look at it for what it is.
I support ANY coach that comes to Michigan. The first Michigan teams I saw were Moellers so I don't give a shit about all that. I want Michigan to succeed and Rodriguez wasn't the guy. The responses to this thread only prove why I posted it.
Look at it as SIMPLE as you can. He didn't do a good job.
this argument seems to be strong amongst the community which is exactly why i posted this thread.
for those more interested in just crucifying each other so be it- neg bomb me to fucking oblivion it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me nor make me love Michigan any less.
I've gone back and forth in my thinking about this over the last few weeks and thats why i posted this. When thinking about it more simplistically it became more obvious to me that the right decision was reached. Go Blue.
That's the whole point. It's about the entire program. There's repeated arguments for the recruits etc etc etc that we're losing. In 3 years RR is statistically the worst coach ever at Michigan.
It's like if in 2004 or 2005 (can't remember what year) we were going through a coaching change and our 5 star running back Kevin Grady de-committed because of it. Everyone would be freaking out that we lost the greatest running back ever because of the coaching change.
The point is we don't know what the recruits are going to turn out to be and to keep a coach because if it is stupid. The right coach needs to be hired regardless of the recruits right now.
This post was primarily to put away arguments like this. I was also personally surprised that he was at the top of the 2 worst categories. I knew it was bad but it really hadn't hit me that it was that bad.
But Michigan fans right now are more interested in crucifying each other....so be it.
And yes, Brandon should have fired him a month ago- I agree whole heartedly with that. This all was obvious before the bowl game was played although the bowl game made it an absolute certainty and made the decision much easier for everyone to accept. I, like many of us, wanted to see how they played in the bowl game as some semblance of a step forward. After getting embarrassed, it was clear this was the only choice.
i know i'm going to get shit on for this and I don't fucking like it either but the wretched thought of dantonio saying "pride comes before the fall" keeps popping into my head as the shit keeps piling up. booo
I'm tired of the "Michigan Didn't Support Rich Rodriguez" talk too. While I think there was some of that, it certainly didn't sabotage him and it's not like he did much to help himself. I think a lot of people felt that he didn't respect the culture here but not honoring some traditions. I also think he turned a lot of people off by the way he bailed on WV. It was like, "If he can do that to his alma mater, what loyalty will he have to us?" And then he begged us to accept him. I think it's the job of any incoming coach to assimilate into the culture in which they're arriving. From mine and a lot of peoples opinions, he didn't seem to grasp some of the core tenants of being the HC at Michigan. From the attitude that OSU is just another game we're trying to win to the #1 jersey and all that. I think Michigan wanted to accept him but he made it hard with his perceived indifference to our values. You don't come into somebody's house and put your feet up on the table. This wasn't Michigan's fault, Rich Rod made his bead and now he's sleeping in it.
For the record, I supported him and wanted him to win the entire time he was here. I thought that eventually we'd all get past some of the bumps on the road back to glory. But I can't stand the way people are saying he never fit in here acting like it was Michigan's fault. We all wanted him to win, we all cheered him when he did after the Notre Dame games etc. Michael Rosenberg and the media aren't the face of the Michigan family. They may have had it out for him but we didn't and he had many chances to succeed and didn't. It's not like all the sudden the Big House was empty when he got there. He had the power to respect the program and the history and it seemed it was too little too late by the time he figured it all out.
Ok guys just because ESPN did a feature on Les Miles doesn't make him the only coach to do this. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it's more of a systematic problem with the NCAA. They need to make rules that don't allow this to happen. As long as teams are competing with the likes of Saban and others that push the boundaries of rules, coaches are always going to look for ways to cut corners and in some cases players. College football has become a big nasty business and coaches are held accountable and punished for not winning. Even if you believe RR is the greatest guy in the world, he got fired because he didn't win and that's the bottom line in college football whether you like it or not. I'm not going to crucify Miles for it because I think you're all naive to believe this isn't happening to some degree at all major college football teams and just because ESPN isn't casting a light on every single coach doesn't mean there isn't things you don't know about some coaches that have coached here or you would want to coach here.
The point is you don't really know until they do this kind of feature which they do rarely and only to a small handful of coaches. While I agree it's not a good part of the sport, I'd be more interested in ways to tighten or correct the rules than blacklist only the few coaches that are exposed while theres dozens and dozens of others that do the same thing but simply don't get the same media attention.
lighten up. it's a joke. i hate when people rail against obvious light hearted humor when there are real examples of sexism in the world. let me put it this way, richard pryor joking about white or black people isn't racist but beating up or killing someone because of their race is. just like not hiring a woman or paying her less or treating her as inferior is sexist and this post isn't. it's a joke, laugh a little.
lighten up. it's a joke. i hate when people rail against obvious light hearted humor when there are real examples of sexism in the world. let me put it this way, richard pryor joking about white or black people isn't racist but beating up or killing someone because of their race is. just like not hiring a woman or paying her less or treating her as inferior is sexist and this post isn't. it's a joke, laugh a little.
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That's because it didn't make any sense.
What's this from?
If I was this girls dad I'd ground her because no daughter of mine is going to be hanging out with losers.
douchey kingdom..............
honestly, that makes no sense. you root for the school you go to IMO- the team you rooted for in middle school/ high school has a lot less significance before you step on campus.
OK genius again you missed the point. It's more about Dirks getting the extra at bats because he's a rookie and they dont want to sit him for a couple weeks. He might as well get the bats in Toledo than sit on his ass in Detroit.
Did you listen to Leyland explain the move? because it makes sense. After the game he said it's not a demotion but the next couple weeks they're going up against mostly left handed pitchers (Dirks is left handed) - and rather than sitting him that whole time they'd rather have home go to Toledo and get 50 extra at bats in the mean time and then call him up in September again. Inge is a late inning defensive upgrade and he's a right handed bat so it makes sense when you think about it like that. Leyland even said it's "Not a demotion" just they want to keep giving Dirks at bats because he's a rookie.
EDIT: They also just picked up Delmon Young so they don't need him as much in the outfield anymore.
When you say "they," it sounds like you're referring to the linemen when it seems like you're trying to refer to the offense as a whole. Your point may be true on a whole but you proved it very confusedadiedly.
Shit, he's nasty. I think he's gonna fit in here juuuussst fine.
troof.
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nothin aaamichfan????
a lot of us are tired of this elitist bullshit around here. just because you have 1000000 points doesn't mean you know anything it just means you live on this site 24/7 and respond to everything you can. the way ideas are silenced on this blog is amazing for the high standards and intellectual dialogue it seems to want to hold itself to. its more like a high school clique than a place for discussion. whatever the cool kids say goes.
you all act like he had nothing to do with his own perception.
ignorance
i agree wholeheartedly. and yet there's still no response to this from the MgoBlog elite. Seems they're happier trashing people than responding to fair arguments.
I noticed none of the other shit talkers here had anything to say so I thought I would. This is why RR is being held responsible. There was talent on these teams and he couldn't win with it. You're all diluting the facts if you can't see this. Thanks for this post making it painfully obvious especially as it refers to the defense.
OMG LETS FIRE DAVE BRANDON IT'S ALL HIS FAULT. OMG OMG OMG.
no i'm surprised with the defense of him despite these numbers.
lol you're exactly right.
pardon me if i'm not offended by your arrogance and snide response.
If only they would have scored more points than every team they would have won the National Championship. Unfortunately they didn't, so they didn't.
i never said i don't care how i'm perceived. i don't on this website because it's just that.
do i care about MGoPoints? What's the prize for having the most of those? oh yeah that's why i don't care.
if you would have stopped and thought for a second why an argument like mine would make sense in context with many peoples opinions around here then it probably wouldn't have seemed so "patently myopic." If it's something you've already accepted fine move on. Many people haven't and I myself have had conflicting thoughts of the situation until recently.
and BTW- my post wasn't meant as a dead serious appraisal. It was somewhat tongue in cheek coupled with my opinion. Hence the "painstaking research" for a cut and paste from wikipedia. My opinion is that he was fired because of his putrid record historically placing him last among all coaches that have ever coached here- not because of all the other distractions people are choosing to focus on.
I responded with a reasoned answer. He told me to "go drink another budweiser."
where's your critique of that?
oh and did you miss all the responses from my post the last 2 pages?
i never said the problem is with anybody else. i stated my opinion.
amen brother.
I'm saying your point is weak, biased, and stupid. Drink some more kool-aid with your maize colored glasses on.
which is why im not surprised by your response.
-1 because it's true.
the point is it doesn't matter that we don't have "THE GUY" ready. the point is that RR is not "THE GUY" and we know that.
I liked the post about how OSU hired Tressel on January 18th or something like that. How's that working out for them? .800 winning percentage or something like that? 7 wins straight against arch rival.
The point is get the right guy even if it takes a little longer. In the big scheme of things a couple of recruits or a week or 2 worth of time doesn't matter.
fuckin hell man exactly. buy this man a drink.
what's really redundant is how everyone replies with the same response and they all think they're witty and funny.
OMG i'm broke in MGoWorld
you can all go back to doing this now:
double post
his offense was #2-5 in YARDAGE. how did they play against the UW, OSU, MSU, and MSU? Glad you're happy with putting up 700 yards on Bowling Green. That really demonstrates progress. What proof do you have that the defense would get significantly better than wishful thinking? A bunch of low rated recruits coming back?
You're all drinking the kool- aid man. Look at it for what it is.
I support ANY coach that comes to Michigan. The first Michigan teams I saw were Moellers so I don't give a shit about all that. I want Michigan to succeed and Rodriguez wasn't the guy. The responses to this thread only prove why I posted it.
Look at it as SIMPLE as you can. He didn't do a good job.
good thing they don't matter!
this argument seems to be strong amongst the community which is exactly why i posted this thread.
for those more interested in just crucifying each other so be it- neg bomb me to fucking oblivion it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me nor make me love Michigan any less.
I've gone back and forth in my thinking about this over the last few weeks and thats why i posted this. When thinking about it more simplistically it became more obvious to me that the right decision was reached. Go Blue.
Harbaugh inherited a team with 1 win.
Rodriguez inherited a team with 9.
Yes there was attrition but there was more than 3 wins worth of talent on the team in 2008.
That's the whole point. It's about the entire program. There's repeated arguments for the recruits etc etc etc that we're losing. In 3 years RR is statistically the worst coach ever at Michigan.
It's like if in 2004 or 2005 (can't remember what year) we were going through a coaching change and our 5 star running back Kevin Grady de-committed because of it. Everyone would be freaking out that we lost the greatest running back ever because of the coaching change.
The point is we don't know what the recruits are going to turn out to be and to keep a coach because if it is stupid. The right coach needs to be hired regardless of the recruits right now.
This post was primarily to put away arguments like this. I was also personally surprised that he was at the top of the 2 worst categories. I knew it was bad but it really hadn't hit me that it was that bad.
But Michigan fans right now are more interested in crucifying each other....so be it.
Based on your reactions here everyone should have been in lock step with the decision to fire him unequivocally.
I was also a bit surprised to see that he ranks DEAD LAST. His failure was epic beyond ways that I think many of us have even comprehended.
If it was that obvious, asshole, it wouldn't have needed 10,000 board topics from people pissed that it happened.
And yes, Brandon should have fired him a month ago- I agree whole heartedly with that. This all was obvious before the bowl game was played although the bowl game made it an absolute certainty and made the decision much easier for everyone to accept. I, like many of us, wanted to see how they played in the bowl game as some semblance of a step forward. After getting embarrassed, it was clear this was the only choice.
fuck that shit.
i know i'm going to get shit on for this and I don't fucking like it either but the wretched thought of dantonio saying "pride comes before the fall" keeps popping into my head as the shit keeps piling up. booo
I'm tired of the "Michigan Didn't Support Rich Rodriguez" talk too. While I think there was some of that, it certainly didn't sabotage him and it's not like he did much to help himself. I think a lot of people felt that he didn't respect the culture here but not honoring some traditions. I also think he turned a lot of people off by the way he bailed on WV. It was like, "If he can do that to his alma mater, what loyalty will he have to us?" And then he begged us to accept him. I think it's the job of any incoming coach to assimilate into the culture in which they're arriving. From mine and a lot of peoples opinions, he didn't seem to grasp some of the core tenants of being the HC at Michigan. From the attitude that OSU is just another game we're trying to win to the #1 jersey and all that. I think Michigan wanted to accept him but he made it hard with his perceived indifference to our values. You don't come into somebody's house and put your feet up on the table. This wasn't Michigan's fault, Rich Rod made his bead and now he's sleeping in it.
For the record, I supported him and wanted him to win the entire time he was here. I thought that eventually we'd all get past some of the bumps on the road back to glory. But I can't stand the way people are saying he never fit in here acting like it was Michigan's fault. We all wanted him to win, we all cheered him when he did after the Notre Dame games etc. Michael Rosenberg and the media aren't the face of the Michigan family. They may have had it out for him but we didn't and he had many chances to succeed and didn't. It's not like all the sudden the Big House was empty when he got there. He had the power to respect the program and the history and it seemed it was too little too late by the time he figured it all out.
Ok guys just because ESPN did a feature on Les Miles doesn't make him the only coach to do this. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it's more of a systematic problem with the NCAA. They need to make rules that don't allow this to happen. As long as teams are competing with the likes of Saban and others that push the boundaries of rules, coaches are always going to look for ways to cut corners and in some cases players. College football has become a big nasty business and coaches are held accountable and punished for not winning. Even if you believe RR is the greatest guy in the world, he got fired because he didn't win and that's the bottom line in college football whether you like it or not. I'm not going to crucify Miles for it because I think you're all naive to believe this isn't happening to some degree at all major college football teams and just because ESPN isn't casting a light on every single coach doesn't mean there isn't things you don't know about some coaches that have coached here or you would want to coach here.
The point is you don't really know until they do this kind of feature which they do rarely and only to a small handful of coaches. While I agree it's not a good part of the sport, I'd be more interested in ways to tighten or correct the rules than blacklist only the few coaches that are exposed while theres dozens and dozens of others that do the same thing but simply don't get the same media attention.
lighten up. it's a joke. i hate when people rail against obvious light hearted humor when there are real examples of sexism in the world. let me put it this way, richard pryor joking about white or black people isn't racist but beating up or killing someone because of their race is. just like not hiring a woman or paying her less or treating her as inferior is sexist and this post isn't. it's a joke, laugh a little.
lighten up. it's a joke. i hate when people rail against obvious light hearted humor when there are real examples of sexism in the world. let me put it this way, richard pryor joking about white or black people isn't racist but beating up or killing someone because of their race is. just like not hiring a woman or paying her less or treating her as inferior is sexist and this post isn't. it's a joke, laugh a little.
I'm confused. Harbaugh?
one foot in front of the other my friend.
Tan is a little uneven but I like it anyway!
but i thought this offense was supposed to be the bomb diggity?
I guess we'll find out if he really is "All in For Michigan."
that said, it was the appropriate response at the time. what's he supposed to say?