The NCAA is almost certainly going to respond to this new state law the same way they responded when a few states passed laws permitting NIL. They'll just open it up to everyone in an attempt to maintain competitive balance.
Yep. To at seems to be true at this point. It's put up or shut up time for ADs all over the country. You can no longer pass off the costs of paying players to donors. The school is gonna have to foot the bill.
I'd say that's very much a "those who employ him" problem. He is who he is. And the powers that be are fine with it, as evidenced by his continued employment.
That's the likely outcome. You don't usually come back from this kind of situation at work. But if Sanderson and Howard can work through it and end up with a mutual respect, they'll be stronger than ever.
Frankly it feeds right into what UM would want to the story to become. There's no question there was advance scouting. But this update just further paints Stalions as a rogue actor. It also places the methods of scouting squarely in the gray areas of a poorly written NCAA bylaw.
So if UM and PSU both advance, they play in Allentown, PA.
I'm not at all knowledgeable about college hockey but this seems very odd. UM finished with a better overall record, finished higher in the national rankings, finished higher in the Big Ten rankings, and beat PSU 3 out of 4.
Remember when Mitch McGary got suspended for 800 years for smoking marijuana and we lost him? The next year the NCAA changed the punishment for weed to nothing.
Remember when Robin Benzing committed to UM but then was declared ineligible because although he was never paid he played for a pro team? The next year, the NCAA changed the rule and he would have been eligible.
This is some cosmic fucking joke and UM is the punchline.
It sounds an awful lot like the coaches who say things like, "I'm only focused on my team and I don't listen to outside stuff" right before signing to coach another team.
Yep. Strong George Campbell vibes. Astonishing athlete but he just has trouble catching the ball. If he's gonna play football, he needs to be an Edge. If not, then stick to track. He's not going to be elite at both.
I'd like to congratulate Erick's brother for busting out the "penis breath" insult. Pretty sure that's the first time it's been used since Elliott said it to his brother in E.T.
I prosecute a lot of these kinds of cases. For a guy who has no record and admitted to the gun, I usually give them a misdemeanor on the first offense.
Precisely. "Relationship" has come to mean something new since 2021. Three finalists for Cook: Michigan, Texas and Oregon.
Does anyone really believe that a 5 star WR has UM in his final 3 but didn't have a good relationship with UM? He said UM was just the same ol' recruiting pitch. But Texas and Oregon built relationships. Gee, what do you think the difference is between UM's pitch and that of Oregon and Texas?
Do you think guy #1 in your post would have the same love for Michigan if sports, especially football and basketball, fall off a cliff? Not being snarky, genuinely curious. I know I shouldn't admit to this but if it weren't for sports, I wouldn't pay any attention at all to UM. Graduated 30 years ago, live in a different state, no family back there . . . it wouldn't be on my radar at all.
Look, the guy was an asshole before his head injury on the ATV. Just remember that the Seahawks invested a second round draft pick on McDowell and then when he got injured, they refused to let him play. Can you imagine how bad a head injury has to be for an NFL team to tell a guy they just used a second round pick on, "you can't play"?
I have a suspicion we're going to lose All, Mullings, Gray and Perry. Also have to think Seldon and Green-Warren are out the door. Depth at corner is going to be very young.
That's interesting. I was at UM from '90-'94. I had a class with a woman in the band and she told me how she was punched in the face by an OSU fan. Wonder if it's the woman from your story.
In the top 10 as rated by the 247 composite, it looks like there are really only 5 in-state guys the new UM defensive staff is/was recruiting. Will Johnson, Josh Burnham, AVS, Dillon Tatum and Deone Walker. If we can close with Tatum and Walker, I think you have to say it was a pretty good recruiting effort for in-state kids. Burnham is a loss but that's the price you pay sometimes with staff turnover/chaos. I don't think AVS really counts as a loss given his brother's transfer.
Andrel Anthony announced a deal today with something called Redcup College Football.
If a guy who hasn't even played a game and wasn't a high profile recruit is getting deals, imagine what a guy like Hutchinson can get.
By the way, a very easy way to support UM in this new era is to follow the sponsors on their social media accounts after a deal with a UM athlete is announced. More views makes UM athletes more appealing to advertisers. More appeal to advertisers means bigger deals for UM athletes.
I'm interested to know if the university had any hand in assisting the company in contacting all 90 players. If you take a broad interpretation of Florida's N/I/L law, that's potentially a violation.
The Florida N/I/L law states, "a postsecondary educational institution . . . may not compensate or cause compensation to be directed to a current or prospective intercollegiate athlete for her or his name, image, likeness, or persona."
I've never smoked it. But from what I understand, a lot of people find it very relaxing. Could that be an advantage before a race? Taking the edge off, keep from tightening up.
Interesting that they forbid contracts with tobacco/strip clubs/gambling but they do not forbid contracts with alcohol companies or marijuana. There's language that athletes can't make contracts for "banned substances", which could mean marijuana given its federal designation. But leaving in the possibility of booze money is pretty big.
This is undeniably a big problem for UM and has been for years. Year after year, OSU is getting a lot of top talent out of arguably the best state in the country for producing college players.
Since 2017, look at who they've pulled out of Texas:
Jeff Okudah, Baron Browning, J.K. Dobbins, Kendall Sheffield, Garrett Wilson, Jaxson Smith-Ngjiba, Ryan Watts, and Donovan Jackson. They have Quinn Ewers, Caleb Burton and Terrance Brooks as commits for '22.
Ewers is the highest rated recruit they've ever had in the scouting site era. Three of their top 15 rated recruits ever are from Texas and are in the last 5 years. We need Texas to step up and keep some of those guys home.
We better hope this happens. Because the NIL law in Michigan doesn't kick in until 2023. NIL in several other states, including Florida and Ohio, start in 8 days.
In 8 days, athletes in those states can sign contracts and start making money on their NIL. UM won't be able to do so until 2 years later. Gosh, I wonder if that would cripple UM's recruiting.
They're right in the sense that Kavanagh's concurrence has no legal significance. But they'd have to be complete morons not to see that they're screwed once the next challenge to their model comes down the pike. And there's no way the fine people at the NCAA would be moronic about something.
I understand why people think this is a Title IX minefield but I don't think it is. This ruling is incredibly limited. Now in the future, we may get a more broad ruling that says everything the NCAA is doing to limit compensation is illegal. But for now, that's not the case.
All the new ruling says is that the NCAA can't stop schools from providing compensation for education related expenses. The original district court ruling which was upheld today by SCOTUS says that the NCAA may fix the aggregate limit on awards schools may give for 'academic or graduation' achievement no lower than its aggregate limit on parallel athletic awards. And what is that limit? The current rate for that compensation is . . . $5,980. Not exactly a windfall. So the NCAA is still free to cap compensation related to education but it can't make that cap anything below $5,980. So in terms of Title IX, schools may have to essentially double their "compensation" to $11,960 (which could be a very big deal to a lot of schools) but it's not going to be some astronomical number.
The ruling specifically states the NCAA is free to regulate what they view as legitimate academic related achievement. "So, once more, if the NCAA believes certain criteria are needed to ensure that academic awards are legitimately related to education, it is presently free to propose such rules—and individual conferences may adopt even stricter ones."
Does he have to sit out a year now? My understanding is you get a one time transfer with immediate eligibility. He transferred to Louisville even if it was only for a very short period of time. Wouldn't that use up his one time penalty free transfer?
Yes. Matt from EM believes UM would probably get one of his two available official visits but he's been very clear that the strong leader is Miami and that's only if Duren doesn't go pro.
Not trying to be snarky but the answer to "why not college" is that he's been offered over $1,000,000 to play in the G League this year. At least, that's my understanding.
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Yes. But that will change soon just as it changed when the first few states passed NIL to start with.
The NCAA is almost certainly going to respond to this new state law the same way they responded when a few states passed laws permitting NIL. They'll just open it up to everyone in an attempt to maintain competitive balance.
Yep. To at seems to be true at this point. It's put up or shut up time for ADs all over the country. You can no longer pass off the costs of paying players to donors. The school is gonna have to foot the bill.
It was described as a single car incident. Which in cop-speak usually means he crashed his own car but didn't hit another driver.
So in the last three months, we've had no commitments but 2 staff DUIs.
And that officer was later reprimanded by the department for a poor investigation, I think. Not sure.
Not so fast. Big Ten refs are figuring out a way to wave this goal off.
https://twitter.com/NHLBlackhawks/status/1779640532278337859
I'd say that's very much a "those who employ him" problem. He is who he is. And the powers that be are fine with it, as evidenced by his continued employment.
That's the likely outcome. You don't usually come back from this kind of situation at work. But if Sanderson and Howard can work through it and end up with a mutual respect, they'll be stronger than ever.
Did you ever hear that Tommy Zbikowski was a boxer?
Or that John Beilein was never an assistant coach?
It reads like fan fiction.
Frankly it feeds right into what UM would want to the story to become. There's no question there was advance scouting. But this update just further paints Stalions as a rogue actor. It also places the methods of scouting squarely in the gray areas of a poorly written NCAA bylaw.
They're not employees. They're not employees. They're not employees.
I'M YOUR FUCKING BOSS!
So if UM and PSU both advance, they play in Allentown, PA.
I'm not at all knowledgeable about college hockey but this seems very odd. UM finished with a better overall record, finished higher in the national rankings, finished higher in the Big Ten rankings, and beat PSU 3 out of 4.
This seems . . . let's say flawed.
Remember when Mitch McGary got suspended for 800 years for smoking marijuana and we lost him? The next year the NCAA changed the punishment for weed to nothing.
Remember when Robin Benzing committed to UM but then was declared ineligible because although he was never paid he played for a pro team? The next year, the NCAA changed the rule and he would have been eligible.
This is some cosmic fucking joke and UM is the punchline.
It sounds an awful lot like the coaches who say things like, "I'm only focused on my team and I don't listen to outside stuff" right before signing to coach another team.
And the New York Post. I'm not saying whether it's legit or not. But it's not a situation where it's on Twitter and nowhere else.
Yep. Strong George Campbell vibes. Astonishing athlete but he just has trouble catching the ball. If he's gonna play football, he needs to be an Edge. If not, then stick to track. He's not going to be elite at both.
I'd like to congratulate Erick's brother for busting out the "penis breath" insult. Pretty sure that's the first time it's been used since Elliott said it to his brother in E.T.
It's almost certainly the staff member who confronted the head ref as the refs tried to leave the field.
I prosecute a lot of these kinds of cases. For a guy who has no record and admitted to the gun, I usually give them a misdemeanor on the first offense.
Well someone has to pave the way for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho.
Precisely. "Relationship" has come to mean something new since 2021. Three finalists for Cook: Michigan, Texas and Oregon.
Does anyone really believe that a 5 star WR has UM in his final 3 but didn't have a good relationship with UM? He said UM was just the same ol' recruiting pitch. But Texas and Oregon built relationships. Gee, what do you think the difference is between UM's pitch and that of Oregon and Texas?
Do you think guy #1 in your post would have the same love for Michigan if sports, especially football and basketball, fall off a cliff? Not being snarky, genuinely curious. I know I shouldn't admit to this but if it weren't for sports, I wouldn't pay any attention at all to UM. Graduated 30 years ago, live in a different state, no family back there . . . it wouldn't be on my radar at all.
Look, the guy was…
Exactly.
Look, the guy was an asshole before his head injury on the ATV. Just remember that the Seahawks invested a second round draft pick on McDowell and then when he got injured, they refused to let him play. Can you imagine how bad a head injury has to be for an NFL team to tell a guy they just used a second round pick on, "you can't play"?
This seems like a brain damage situation.
I have a suspicion we're going to lose All, Mullings, Gray and Perry. Also have to think Seldon and Green-Warren are out the door. Depth at corner is going to be very young.
That's interesting. I was at UM from '90-'94. I had a class with a woman in the band and she told me how she was punched in the face by an OSU fan. Wonder if it's the woman from your story.
At first blush, this is great and funny because it hurts OSU.
But it also eases the competition a bit for Dante Moore to get very early playing time at OSU, and that's not so good.
But hey, I'll take it.
In the top 10 as rated by the 247 composite, it looks like there are really only 5 in-state guys the new UM defensive staff is/was recruiting. Will Johnson, Josh Burnham, AVS, Dillon Tatum and Deone Walker. If we can close with Tatum and Walker, I think you have to say it was a pretty good recruiting effort for in-state kids. Burnham is a loss but that's the price you pay sometimes with staff turnover/chaos. I don't think AVS really counts as a loss given his brother's transfer.
John Elway supposedly played his whole career with no ACL.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2013/1/8/3850294/john-elway-played-entire-career-without-acl
Andrel Anthony announced a deal today with something called Redcup College Football.
If a guy who hasn't even played a game and wasn't a high profile recruit is getting deals, imagine what a guy like Hutchinson can get.
By the way, a very easy way to support UM in this new era is to follow the sponsors on their social media accounts after a deal with a UM athlete is announced. More views makes UM athletes more appealing to advertisers. More appeal to advertisers means bigger deals for UM athletes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRMVQrcjNH6/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Some Houstan highlights.
https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/1413896060272103433?s=20
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https://twitter.com/basketballbuzz/status/1413903144661274626?s=20
https://twitter.com/basketballbuzz/status/1413893276298579971?s=20
I'm interested to know if the university had any hand in assisting the company in contacting all 90 players. If you take a broad interpretation of Florida's N/I/L law, that's potentially a violation.
The Florida N/I/L law states, "a postsecondary educational institution . . . may not compensate or cause compensation to be directed to a current or prospective intercollegiate athlete for her or his name, image, likeness, or persona."
I've never smoked it. But from what I understand, a lot of people find it very relaxing. Could that be an advantage before a race? Taking the edge off, keep from tightening up.
Interesting that they forbid contracts with tobacco/strip clubs/gambling but they do not forbid contracts with alcohol companies or marijuana. There's language that athletes can't make contracts for "banned substances", which could mean marijuana given its federal designation. But leaving in the possibility of booze money is pretty big.
This is undeniably a big problem for UM and has been for years. Year after year, OSU is getting a lot of top talent out of arguably the best state in the country for producing college players.
Since 2017, look at who they've pulled out of Texas:
Jeff Okudah, Baron Browning, J.K. Dobbins, Kendall Sheffield, Garrett Wilson, Jaxson Smith-Ngjiba, Ryan Watts, and Donovan Jackson. They have Quinn Ewers, Caleb Burton and Terrance Brooks as commits for '22.
Ewers is the highest rated recruit they've ever had in the scouting site era. Three of their top 15 rated recruits ever are from Texas and are in the last 5 years. We need Texas to step up and keep some of those guys home.
Gotta admit we have a serious lack of 6'9", 400 pound Icelanders on roster.
What my thesis pre-supposes is that UCONN fucking sucks.
The rule didn't exist then.
Well that would eliminate them from recruiting Deone Walker this year and Jalen Thompson next year so I guess that's one positive to take from it.
We better hope this happens. Because the NIL law in Michigan doesn't kick in until 2023. NIL in several other states, including Florida and Ohio, start in 8 days.
In 8 days, athletes in those states can sign contracts and start making money on their NIL. UM won't be able to do so until 2 years later. Gosh, I wonder if that would cripple UM's recruiting.
They're right in the sense that Kavanagh's concurrence has no legal significance. But they'd have to be complete morons not to see that they're screwed once the next challenge to their model comes down the pike. And there's no way the fine people at the NCAA would be moronic about something.
I understand why people think this is a Title IX minefield but I don't think it is. This ruling is incredibly limited. Now in the future, we may get a more broad ruling that says everything the NCAA is doing to limit compensation is illegal. But for now, that's not the case.
All the new ruling says is that the NCAA can't stop schools from providing compensation for education related expenses. The original district court ruling which was upheld today by SCOTUS says that the NCAA may fix the aggregate limit on awards schools may give for 'academic or graduation' achievement no lower than its aggregate limit on parallel athletic awards. And what is that limit? The current rate for that compensation is . . . $5,980. Not exactly a windfall. So the NCAA is still free to cap compensation related to education but it can't make that cap anything below $5,980. So in terms of Title IX, schools may have to essentially double their "compensation" to $11,960 (which could be a very big deal to a lot of schools) but it's not going to be some astronomical number.
The ruling specifically states the NCAA is free to regulate what they view as legitimate academic related achievement. "So, once more, if the NCAA believes certain criteria are needed to ensure that academic awards are legitimately related to education, it is presently free to propose such rules—and individual conferences may adopt even stricter ones."
Yeah, I included them just to show that the UM lead is even bigger than it appears at first glance.
Does he have to sit out a year now? My understanding is you get a one time transfer with immediate eligibility. He transferred to Louisville even if it was only for a very short period of time. Wouldn't that use up his one time penalty free transfer?
Yes. Matt from EM believes UM would probably get one of his two available official visits but he's been very clear that the strong leader is Miami and that's only if Duren doesn't go pro.
Not trying to be snarky but the answer to "why not college" is that he's been offered over $1,000,000 to play in the G League this year. At least, that's my understanding.