To be fair, the players said he had changed too. I remember Hutchinson saying after 2020 he was taking more input from players on the program and what needs to be changed. I assume he'll carry that into the NFL. Seems happy getting away from the mess college football is right now off the field.
Not to mention although no one here knows how things really went down, I think Juwan made a great point that somehow Sanderson's email to HR got leaked and his didn't, so we had months only hearing about Sanderson's side of it.
Seriously. People here can't wait to get rid of TWill, Jace, and GWIII. We don't have any players, so why is this a thing to worry about? Maybe because many here are irrationally optimistic that every good FAU and Oklahoma St. player is knocking down the door to come here. Jace isn't keeping Johnell Davis from coming.
But wasn't the problem with Shannon that Texas Tech wouldn't let him graduate or something? I'm pretty sure that wasn't on Juwan screwing up, it was that Illinois was allowing something Michigan wasn't.
So who does control NIL funding? Warde has explicitly said he's against paying players up front. I don't think that's just up to the coaches to follow or not.
And that was part of the problem. Diabate and Houstan couldn't get NIL. I worry some guys will come here and leave for the NBA early or go to Kentucky where they can pull whatever they did to get NIL for Tshiebwe. I know Diabate had an NBA body so was likely to go early anyway, but I feel like any international guy on the fence about going to the draft is gonna go if they aren't getting NIL. But May held on to guys at FAU who surely could have made more at other schools, so who knows.
It's insane now. I lived in Korea until a couple years ago and somehow society functions and people get paid just fine without any tipping. I don't have to think about whether I'm an asshole or not for tipping however much just picking up a freaking coffee.
I should have gone. Had something but I could have missed it. I did see there was a crash and what looked like terrible traffic around 11am going south everywhere from metro Detroit. I thought it was going to be a total disaster getting there and back. It looked slow going there and back later but not as bad as I thought it'd turn into. I had no plan though. Was looking at random streets to pull off on in the southeast corner of Michigan. Oh well. Next life.
I think Juwan would ultimately be better off in the NBA. He's a player's coach and in the NBA he can worry a lot more about basketball and relationships with players as opposed to relationships with donors. From what we read about coaching in the NFL or NBA versus college, there's not a chance in hell I'd wanna go the college route if I was a coach.
Also it was reported somewhere part of his frustration was he was seemingly misdiagnosed at first which is why he basically didn't play almost all year.
Well, they had good offenses. I don't know much about Herman's time at Texas but Mullen and Frost seemed to fail more for HC duty reasons than offensive philosophy. I'd take any of those guys as OC.
Alex's piece on the sad state of Michigan basketball under Juwan was mostly stuff we knew if you read this blog, but one thing I hadn't really thought about was how even the guys we lost out on never really did much. Frankie left and floundered at ASU. Josh Christopher and Isiah Todd haven't done anything impressive apparently. Diabate barely playing. Houstan appears to be getting a little run at least. Jett Howard. Still early for those guys of course but given all that talent no one appears to be tracking towards a good NBA career yet. Before that piece I had been thinking, "Well if they could just bring in some more of these guys or get them to stay...". I'd rather have someone who can find diamonds in the rough who are going to stick around.
I didn't realize Orlando has 4 former Michigan players: Jett, Caleb, and the Wagners.
I had a custom made Michigan t-shirt done for my brother and I like 20 years ago. I'm sure the guy never got a licensing deal. It was just 2 shirts and it's not like some cop or someone in the Michigan administration is gonna come up and demand to know where I got the shirt. So, probably supposed to, but do they care if they're literally making 1?
Part of this is also that Michigan basketball is not Michigan football. It's a very good program to coach at, but it's certainly not in the upper echelon. If this was Duke looking around for a new coach, some bigger, more established names would be possibilities.
I barely even played driveway basketball and, being a bit ambidextrous, never was even sure which hand I should be shooting with. But I'm not quite as old as mgrowold (my back and knees are working hard to catch up) so sign me up.
It's not fair. He's the AD and you're questioning whether this was really his decision? If Ono thought he was that useless that he just worked this out himself, I think he'd have fired Warde too by now.
First I felt a little relief and then felt sad. The Fab 5 was the first thing I remember being emotionally invested in regarding any Michigan sport. Earlier in the season I would have been fine with keeping Juwan and letting him blow things up and start over, but they were just so freaking bad. Historically bad. Yes, he had heart surgery, but this has been consistently trending this way since he got hired.
No, they don't face the same constraints. From everything I've seen they have no trouble bringing in transfers. The admissions problem is mostly about transfer credits, which isn't at all about whether someone is smart enough to get in at Michigan.
Having said that, Juwan could still have a better roster. We all basically knew the stuff in Alex Drain's nice piece on the program recently, but one thing I wasn't fully aware of was how even the 5 stars Juwan missed on have so far looked very underwhelming elsewhere. Hunter Dickinson is basically the only Juwan recruit who has turned out well.
"Do we think these places have better NIL for basketball than Michigan, or in the case of Northwestern more lenient transfer restrictions?"
Hard to know for sure, but there was an article fairly recently saying yes Michigan is in more of a Nebraska/Iowa type tier in regards to NIL. We just lost Sabb to NIL. And yes, why is it crazy to think NW has a different rule in regards to transfer credits? Again, we've seen a lot of articles saying this is specific to Michigan. Never seen anyone report it's the same at Northwestern. It's not about how smart the kid is.
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I find that hard to believe. Not like they're gonna get shot at the NFL draft. Hasnt there been a trend of guys forgoing being there in person?
To be fair, the players said he had changed too. I remember Hutchinson saying after 2020 he was taking more input from players on the program and what needs to be changed. I assume he'll carry that into the NFL. Seems happy getting away from the mess college football is right now off the field.
"But doesn't take away what is some pretty clear reporting"
You mean the reporting that was based off of Sanderson's leaked email to HR?
Not to mention although no one here knows how things really went down, I think Juwan made a great point that somehow Sanderson's email to HR got leaked and his didn't, so we had months only hearing about Sanderson's side of it.
We're in desperate need for bodies, period.
Seriously. People here can't wait to get rid of TWill, Jace, and GWIII. We don't have any players, so why is this a thing to worry about? Maybe because many here are irrationally optimistic that every good FAU and Oklahoma St. player is knocking down the door to come here. Jace isn't keeping Johnell Davis from coming.
But wasn't the problem with Shannon that Texas Tech wouldn't let him graduate or something? I'm pretty sure that wasn't on Juwan screwing up, it was that Illinois was allowing something Michigan wasn't.
Right. If you shoot that well from 3, you should at least be a guy who can stand in a corner and hit 3s.
So who does control NIL funding? Warde has explicitly said he's against paying players up front. I don't think that's just up to the coaches to follow or not.
I found out he was playing in Korea while I was there. But then like a week later he went to the G-league or some other country.
I was thinking, "Hell yeah I'd go to that", and then realizing that could be a very expensive ticket even though it's Northwestern football.
Seems like the main thing with the 3 assistants is they're all great recruiters.
And that was part of the problem. Diabate and Houstan couldn't get NIL. I worry some guys will come here and leave for the NBA early or go to Kentucky where they can pull whatever they did to get NIL for Tshiebwe. I know Diabate had an NBA body so was likely to go early anyway, but I feel like any international guy on the fence about going to the draft is gonna go if they aren't getting NIL. But May held on to guys at FAU who surely could have made more at other schools, so who knows.
Well it's not like we can change them all within a year. That's what that OSU player said anyway.
STOP YELLING! EVERYONE CALM DOWN!
Wild guess that MSU will pay more than Oakland.
It's insane now. I lived in Korea until a couple years ago and somehow society functions and people get paid just fine without any tipping. I don't have to think about whether I'm an asshole or not for tipping however much just picking up a freaking coffee.
I should have gone. Had something but I could have missed it. I did see there was a crash and what looked like terrible traffic around 11am going south everywhere from metro Detroit. I thought it was going to be a total disaster getting there and back. It looked slow going there and back later but not as bad as I thought it'd turn into. I had no plan though. Was looking at random streets to pull off on in the southeast corner of Michigan. Oh well. Next life.
I think Juwan would ultimately be better off in the NBA. He's a player's coach and in the NBA he can worry a lot more about basketball and relationships with players as opposed to relationships with donors. From what we read about coaching in the NFL or NBA versus college, there's not a chance in hell I'd wanna go the college route if I was a coach.
They should run the JT Barrett offense with Orji.
"He's Don Brown 2.0!"
Yeah that's a major red flag for believing Sanderson over Juwan.
Also it was reported somewhere part of his frustration was he was seemingly misdiagnosed at first which is why he basically didn't play almost all year.
People say this but if May has 2 years like Juwan's last 2, he's going to be under a lot of pressure, including from the mgoboard.
He shot 49% from 3. That's pretty efficient. Why do we have to trash him just because he decommitted after the coach got fired?
Well, they had good offenses. I don't know much about Herman's time at Texas but Mullen and Frost seemed to fail more for HC duty reasons than offensive philosophy. I'd take any of those guys as OC.
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Alex's piece on the sad state of Michigan basketball under Juwan was mostly stuff we knew if you read this blog, but one thing I hadn't really thought about was how even the guys we lost out on never really did much. Frankie left and floundered at ASU. Josh Christopher and Isiah Todd haven't done anything impressive apparently. Diabate barely playing. Houstan appears to be getting a little run at least. Jett Howard. Still early for those guys of course but given all that talent no one appears to be tracking towards a good NBA career yet. Before that piece I had been thinking, "Well if they could just bring in some more of these guys or get them to stay...". I'd rather have someone who can find diamonds in the rough who are going to stick around.
I didn't realize Orlando has 4 former Michigan players: Jett, Caleb, and the Wagners.
I had a custom made Michigan t-shirt done for my brother and I like 20 years ago. I'm sure the guy never got a licensing deal. It was just 2 shirts and it's not like some cop or someone in the Michigan administration is gonna come up and demand to know where I got the shirt. So, probably supposed to, but do they care if they're literally making 1?
JC comin'. How about CE?
Oh let do it!
Juwan didn't handle it well but Wisconsin basketball plays pretty dirty.
I don't think that was ever totally serious but I could be wrong. It was just because he doesn't punt.
Can't tell if serious
Part of this is also that Michigan basketball is not Michigan football. It's a very good program to coach at, but it's certainly not in the upper echelon. If this was Duke looking around for a new coach, some bigger, more established names would be possibilities.
I barely even played driveway basketball and, being a bit ambidextrous, never was even sure which hand I should be shooting with. But I'm not quite as old as mgrowold (my back and knees are working hard to catch up) so sign me up.
He got the all clear on the background check and said, "Fuck it."
So he's had 2 good seasons as head coach?
The Warde hate here has gotten ridiculous. I just find it hard to believe Warde hasn't even entertained the notion of what coach he may want to hire.
It's not fair. He's the AD and you're questioning whether this was really his decision? If Ono thought he was that useless that he just worked this out himself, I think he'd have fired Warde too by now.
First I felt a little relief and then felt sad. The Fab 5 was the first thing I remember being emotionally invested in regarding any Michigan sport. Earlier in the season I would have been fine with keeping Juwan and letting him blow things up and start over, but they were just so freaking bad. Historically bad. Yes, he had heart surgery, but this has been consistently trending this way since he got hired.
They probably hired him to get all the UM basketball secrets because how else can you win against Michigan?
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With Trente Jones as a starter
I never got good enough with either to know but could see that. Skiing was so much easier to pick up since my legs could move independently.
No, they don't face the same constraints. From everything I've seen they have no trouble bringing in transfers. The admissions problem is mostly about transfer credits, which isn't at all about whether someone is smart enough to get in at Michigan.
Having said that, Juwan could still have a better roster. We all basically knew the stuff in Alex Drain's nice piece on the program recently, but one thing I wasn't fully aware of was how even the 5 stars Juwan missed on have so far looked very underwhelming elsewhere. Hunter Dickinson is basically the only Juwan recruit who has turned out well.
He was the acting head coach at the beginning of the year! Juwan even made him HC again just for that game in Philly.
If Howard returns, there's no chance Martelli does because almost no one will. If he returns he needs to blow things up and start over.
"Do we think these places have better NIL for basketball than Michigan, or in the case of Northwestern more lenient transfer restrictions?"
Hard to know for sure, but there was an article fairly recently saying yes Michigan is in more of a Nebraska/Iowa type tier in regards to NIL. We just lost Sabb to NIL. And yes, why is it crazy to think NW has a different rule in regards to transfer credits? Again, we've seen a lot of articles saying this is specific to Michigan. Never seen anyone report it's the same at Northwestern. It's not about how smart the kid is.
I'd also like a link to that post, so I can write a nasty comment on it.
You mean BJM?