landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
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|4 days 14 hours ago||Sadly in agreement here.||
Sadly in agreement here. Urban has won fewer than 8.5 games just twice in his career. Both of them were 8 win seasons. And one was his first year as a head coach, at Bowling Green.
|1 week 1 day ago||The Democrat?||
One time presidential hopeful Martin O'Malley?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||everybody's doin||
everybody's doin it
|4 weeks 5 days ago||BA||
|13 weeks 1 day ago||and went to the championship game last year.||
and went to the championship game last year. while that shouldn't matter much, if at all, to this year's selections, I'm sure it will factor into some committee members decisions.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Whoosh?||
|15 weeks 2 days ago||+1 for rational||
+1 for rational disappointment. Your last paragraph nails it.
If he misses the tourney this year and struggles in 2017, I think he will be ready to step aside. If he somehow pulls another deep run this year or next year, then give him 2018. Barring a title run and major recruiting class (seems unlikely), 2019 we have a new coach for sure.
Some will be disappointed with that timeline, always believing it's easy to make us an elite program. We have a history, but it ain't like football. There is no equivalent Harbaugh out there and the Shaka Smart's of the world probably don't view us as any better a destination than Texas. If we whiff on an "up and comer" coach and recruiting doesn't take the leap, we go back to the Amaker era.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Exactly. Firing him now||
Exactly. Firing him now would not be good for the program and would be a massive PR blunder. Firing him at the end of the year if we miss the tournament would be palatable to the masses but likely set us back unless Warde can pull in someone elite.
And moreover, it is insane to insult the man's ability as a coach. You can debate where he ranks on the spectrum of good to great (or even call him "mediocre" if you can point me to the metrics that suggest such a thing) but in no world can he be considered below average overall. I know better than to dwell on the comments of the blog in the wake of a loss, but it drives me nuts to read some of the comments. And I know some of these are the same who were hailing JB as recently as the Maryland game.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||I took issue with your||
I took issue with your original comment but I couldn't agree more with this one. I said the same damn thing about the Swenson stuff, too. Michigan fans have to pick between "doing it right" and "doing what it takes" in both sports. "Doing what it takes" is a spectrum and I don't want to go full greyshirt in football or connect with another Ed Martin, but I had no problem with the Swenson situation and wouldn't mind us transitioning to a program that goes hard after potential one-and-dones.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||100%. JB isn't elite, but||
100%. JB isn't elite, but put NBA guys in his system and good things can happen. It just doesn't look like he's been able to capitalize and there isn't any reason to think we take the leap in recruiting.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||I'm on board with a 2-3 year||
I'm on board with a 2-3 year replacement timeline and wouldn't blame the new AD for looking to move sooner, but that's simply not true. If we are looking at the past 20 years Beilein's teams have been by no means "what they were" before him. Not by achievement and not by integrity.
If the 20 year timeline goes back 20 from when JB arrived (starting in 1987), then it's sorta true. But you'd be ignoring the fact that the program got cratered and the first 2 guys who got a chance to fix it don't hold a candle to our current head coach.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Ah youth, always wasted on||
Ah youth, always wasted on the young...
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Personal tastes are what they||
Personal tastes are what they are, but "Limp Biskut minus any self-awareness" is the most outlandishly unfair review of Nirvana that has ever been written. And it's "Bizkit."
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Wow. That is a helluva||
Wow. That is a helluva lineup.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Went to Riot Fest in Chicago,||
Went to Riot Fest in Chicago, largely to see Primus. Danny Carey of Tool filled in on drums for Primus' "Herb" Alexander, who had recently had triple-bypass. Danny had about 2 weeks to learn the songs and just nailed it, didn't miss a beat.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Don't worry buddy, I bang'd||
Don't worry buddy, I bang'd ya three times already. And don't tell anyone... but I'm about to bang myself!
|15 weeks 5 days ago||It's late, and I'm lonely.||
It's late, and I'm lonely. Better be a serious posbang waiting for me in the morning.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Got pretty strung out on the||
Got pretty strung out on the recruiting roller coaster and don't know what to do with my life now that it's over. Anyone got any twitter analysis or other completely incredible evidence we can shit and/or jizz our pants about? The lemon video just didn't do it for me. Maybe the posbang will...
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Nobody||
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I nominate this for my||
I nominate this for my favorite. I'm sure there's a better quality video out there but this is the one I took after rewinding just to watch again and share with MGoBlog. The reaction is priceless Denard.
"Whaaat?! ... I'm just trying to compete with Desmond Howard!"
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Very cool moment that I||
Very cool moment that I remember well. Turned to my dad and uncle and just shook our heads in amazement. Denard did that to us many times but you're right- that was even more special than we could have known.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||RIP||
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Keep up the good work, Vince.||
Keep up the good work, Vince. Love the photoshop of you carrying the broccoli!
|16 weeks 4 hours ago||Deserves a lot of credit for||
Deserves a lot of credit for bringing us back to respectability to cap a career made on being clean and developing a brilliant offensive system. Two big ten titles and two serious tourney runs (in 8 years!) in spite of never building a team for defense. But the recruiting topped out shy of elite and JB is 62. The "fire him now" crowd is mistaken to think a coach who pulls top 5 classes to Michigan is just waiting for Warde to call, but I expect the new AD has a transition timeline on his radar.
|16 weeks 4 hours ago||But his Twitter changed or||
But his Twitter changed or some shit so how can we trust that?
|16 weeks 4 hours ago||I heard he is out because||
I heard he is out because John Beilein is the devil. Someone told me in a truth-telling contest, three threads down.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Sure as hell won't be his||
Sure as hell won't be his legacy, barring some Paterno level indiscretion
|17 weeks 9 hours ago||I don't think it's a clear||
I don't think it's a clear moral failure just because it's a "giant institution." A lot of digital ink going on about the ethics here and a lot less about how to create a more sensible system.
Fortunately MGoBlog has that, too. Some of the most intelligent to be found, with a lot of informative perspective applicable to this quandary. But the past week not much offered beyond "earlier signing period" followed by "that doesn't work."
Just spitballing here to change the course of conversation a bit...
If you're in favor of giving the kids extra leeway to make big decisions, what about a system where instead of a national signing day there is a national decommitment day? That is, put the onus on the school to guarantee (optimally a 4 year) scholarship through a formal contract available to recruits (aged 16 and up) at any time. Once that contract is in place, the school can't pull it under any circumstance beyond specific out clauses in the contract (injuries would be honored as academic scholarships not counted against cap, which would of course require extra vetting of educational achievement and explicit terms of agreement). The kids, however, can decommit at any time up to "national decommitment day", or the moment they take a snap their senior season. Any decommitment after that is treated the same as if you're already enrolled, meaning you have to wait a season to play at another D1 school.
I think you'd ultimately have the same behavior of offer vs OFFER but it would actually mean something. Not a ton of kids would get OFFERS at 16 but if you get out ahead of a recruit and he blows up senior year, he can't punk you to jump from the MAC to the B1G. Maybe the small schools would even get some parity out of it. And kids who get offers know what it means.
Of course there would still be all sorts of unintended consequences, which brings me to my #hottake: you just can't have it both ways. You can't recruit like you're elite and still "do it the right way." There are no good examples of it in D1 ball and no evidence from human history to suggest the existence of missed opportunities to create advantage in competition. Where there's a way to bend or break the rules, someone is doing it. All you can do is try to create the best possible set of rules, straighten out the bends and repair the breaks. I feel bad for the kids and hope to see some kind of statement on the matter and less of it in the future, but for my moral compass Harbaugh hasn't crossed the line.
Fear not, there will be no snowflake thread on this matter. This tl;dr was good enough.
|17 weeks 10 hours ago||An understanding of both the||
An understanding of both the rules and best practices of the recruiting game helps, and you're one of the few posts touching on how these things actually go down.
So let me ask - part of the process usually involves sending a "letter formally stating they can [commit]"? But this letter is not "committable" any more than the previous "verbal" offer, other than it has some additional value in the realm of social contract?
To quote DancingWolverine, is that when an offer becomes an OFFER? But until NSD no one is truly obligated under recruiting bylaw? Is there any mechanism for a school to actually commit to a scholarship prior to NSD? What are the barriers to creating one?
|17 weeks 10 hours ago||Thanks, DW. I've read||
Thanks, DW. I've been confused as hell even after reading thousands of posts on the subject for a week But with yours, I finally understand!