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|30 weeks 2 days ago||Perspective from another sport||
As someone who deals with recruiting on a daily basis in a different sport, softball, let me offer some perspective on this topic. Because, both as a parent (my daughter is a committed 2017) and a liason (I work with our select organization players, over 100) I have a some insight.
1) Football players have the luxury of "collecting offers" from schools, beginning in the 10th grade usually (some offers seem to go out to some select freshmen). They can take unoffical visits to all these schools and get to know coaches, compare and contrast campuses, research the majors offered, and any other thing that drives their own decision, like weather, etc..
2) All other sports, with the exception of football and basketball, have it MUCH worse. Let me explain how it works elsewhere. First, top schools start offering players in 8th grade! Worse, the average player has from a few weeks to a few months to make a decision, otherwise the coach moves on. So very young players and their parents have to make a decision on what to do, right now!
An 8th or 9th grader has to decide where they want to go to school. No comparing to other options (unless they fall into the 10% of players who happen to get multiple offers at one time). Is this the best I can do? Do they offer what I want to study, which I don't know because I am 15! And to top it off, there is is added issue of scholarship amount. Unlike the big 2 sports, other athletes are almost always offered partial scholarships (some exceptions like a pitcher, etc)
So a 9th grader gets an offer from Michigan for softball for 35%. They family does not have the ability to easily pay for college, so amount does matter. Do we take it or do we decline and roll the dice that someone will offer more money later? What if are only other option ends up being Central Michigan for 50% (not trying to be mean, just making a point).
My daugher rolled the dice a few times during the process and we got VERY lucky. Things worked out better for us than I ever could have dreamed of. Including turning down Wisconsin as a freshmen and learning later she didn't want a huge school.
What I am trying to point out is the while the football system has it's faults, it is 100 times better than softball and the other sports. These kids get to collect offers for a year or two, get to know schools, coaches, cities, weather, etc.. and then make a decision. They also have backup plans in place because of this process.
And they are trying to decide where they will get a FREE education and play the sport they love. So maybe they don't get their first choice, so what, life isn't fair. But they still have great options, all of them do! Those Michigan commits that favor education can pick up the phone and get a free education at a top ranked university. I promise you that the coaches at non Power 5 schools, yet who are ranked as top education schools, would quickly make room for an ex-Michigan commit. And those players who care about playing time, or other things, can also quickly pick up the phone and find a coach.
I can also promise you two things. The coaches are being honest with these kids and parents. Whether they choose to listen to what is being said is another thing. Coach says 50/50 a year out, and they know they will be in the top 50%.
Second, this will have little to no impact on future recuiting. Why? Because every player believes they are the best, their parents believe they are the best. And those kids that ended up not attending Michigan after committing wern't as good as I am, I am the guy who is going to start for all 4 years. Their hubrus will keep this from hurting us the same way it hasn't hurt the SEC, who has been doing this for 20 years and still dominates football today.
We are not, nor should we be, "above" playing by the same rules as everyone else, come down off your high horse please. And remember, coaches are prohibited from telling their side of the story and players and parents are sad and will not tell the truth (most of the time) about how things actually went down.
And if you want to feel sorry for people, I could tell you 50 stories that are much, much worse than a kid who doesnt get to play football at Michigan. I'll start with the kid who is smart enough to go to college but doesn't have a way to pay or the help to even get in and get loans.
Perspective people, perspective.
|31 weeks 1 day ago||
|31 weeks 1 day ago||Parent Perspective here||
My daughter is currently committed to Duke for softball (much to my dismay, not quite good enough for Hutch). So I thought I would point out a couple of things:
1) A verbal is a just a verbal, but....the coach has a little more at risk, reputation wise. Coaches go through this process every year, multiple times. Players go through once, so who has more to lose on going back on their word? Coaches.
2) When a coach makes and offer, and again when a player verbals, all coaches make it very clear that it only begins the players responsibility. They must continue to work, stay in shape, and in the case of school like Michigan, make the grades. Failure to do so and things are no longer set in stone.
So, if for example, a player gains 50 lbs of fat, gets slower and weaker, is a coach supposed to just take them anyway, no of course not. I'm not saying that happened, but what I am saying is that things are not black and white.
Most likely the conversation started along the lines of "based on your current performance and the rest of our class (and others), you are going to have a hard time getting on the field, so pick it up." Translation: you are no longer good enough to play here, please start looking elsewhere.
But some players, and parents, choose not to hear what is being said and press on. And later, the coach has to actually pull the offer rather than having the kid realize he needs to find a place he fits better.
The whole situation sucks, but just for a minute. In the end, the team will get the players they need and want (and we as fans want so we can win) and the player finds a home that is a better fit.
But don't expect the coaches to attack a kid publicly and say he wasn't good enough to come here anymore. They will take the high road, accept the short term hit in the media, knowing they are doing the job they were hired to do, and hopefully making the best of a tough situation for the kid.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||I say we bring it||
Since I can't post a new topic, I will post here, since it has to do with our success next season.
While scanning through prop bets on Bovado before the game tonight and when I got to the bottom, guess what the last prop bet was for tonight game's??
Michigan total wins for next season - set at 8 1/2.
So of course I canceled all my other bets and loaded my entire bankroll on the over!
Discuss and Go Blue!
|2 years 22 weeks ago||No turn around||
While I think there are many potential reasons that we have taken a slide (lack of top end scoring talent, smaller D across the board, etc.) the real reason we have struggled for a while is the fact we haven't had a top tier goalie in a LONG time.
That was always the cornerstone of every winning Michigan team. And while we got lucky with a walk on a couple of years ago, it is simply unforgivable that a walk on could even get a chance. Other teams have AT LEAST two goalies and we haven't had ONE in almost 10 years.
Jack Campbell decommitting screwed us, sure, but that was one recruit. Where are the others. Until, unless we start bringing in top net minding, we will continue to be a borderline tourny team.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Remind me...||
Of who we need to lose tomorrow to increase our chances of making the NCAA's? As a long time hockey fan, at all levels, it seems the most talented teams usually lose these longs games. Frustration sets in and a bounce goes the other way. Just thinking ahead. Go Blue.
My pick if we do win, Guptil.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||And so it begins.....||
Start paying players, and these kind of cost cutting measures will hit schools everywhere. Obvioiusly not us, and not any Big Ten schools, but schools in conferences like the MAC will start with this.
In a bubble, paying players seems fair. But only a small group of schools could afford to do it without cutting elsewhere and that includes cutting other sports, both men and women.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||Let me second this urgent request||
I simply cannot take the National bias again. And Westwood radio with those morons is just as bad. Even a list of local stations that are carrying the game gives me a shot to search via Iheart, etc.. Thanks to anyone who helps.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||It's been a great ride........||
Either way it has been fun and it's nice to enjoy college basketball again. A win would simply put a big maize bow on things. Go Blue!
|3 years 20 weeks ago||Can you text it?||
|5 years 15 weeks ago||The tractor will be missed||
|5 years 21 weeks ago||please||
Wrong bat day, wrong bat channel! lol
|5 years 21 weeks ago||advice||
Here is my advice... First go to Hotwire and book your flight, hotel, and car together. It will be much cheaper than booking seperately. Second, root hard for North Dakota to lose today. If they make it, tickets will triple.
I have been to the Frozen Four at least 10 times. Here is what I have learned. Buy a ticket to the semi final games. At the end of the other game, go hang out at the back of the section of the losing team. You will be able to do two things, one, pick up their ticket for the final game cheap and two, possibly upgrade your seat for the first game for next too nothing.
Three years ago, I had a third level seat. We watched the first game from up there. As the first game was ending, I went down and offer the students on the glass $10 bucks for their ticket stub. That stub got me on the glass for our loss to ND. It sucked we lost, but I saw it from a great seat.
Wish I could afford to come this year, but have fun everyone, I will be watching from home in Texas.
|5 years 22 weeks ago||CC's Defense and Goalie||
Look fairly ordinary. If Moffet turns the puck over up the middle like he did today, we will be in trouble. But if we keep the puck up the boards and in deep, I like our chances.
|5 years 22 weeks ago||Vasav...go home||
I don't know where in Texas you supposedly live, but I think you need to leave. Almost everything you say about Texas above is just simply factually incorrect. I was born and raised in Texas, went to UM for both undergraduate and law school, and now have come home.
Foreclosures were lower in Texas than all but 3 other states. High School graduation rates are higher than all but 4 other states. The average earning for a resident in Texas is higher than all be 8 other states and the highest of the largest states in the US.
The reason for the strength of Texas is actually very simply. Texas is a pro business state. Very low regulations, no state income tax and most importantly, NO UNIONS. I know that those of you who grew up in Michigan don't want to hear that but the facts are the facts.
States that have been heavily unionized are dying a slow (now faster) death. Unions had their place 40 years ago to protect their workers from unfair conditions, but that is no longer the case. With improvments in many areas, most importantly in available information via media and the internet, an employer cannot abuse their employees for very long without being found out.
So please pack up your uhaul and go find a job elsewhere. For those who are looking for a great place to live and work, please come visit. We have plenty of jobs and oppurtunities for those who are willing to work for it. But if you are looking for a handout or for some group to help protect your job for you, Texas is not the best place.
|5 years 23 weeks ago||hell Yes!!!||
Bring on Duke. We can do this!
|5 years 23 weeks ago||Three surprises already||
Somebody is going to be sad in a minute. Either Michigan St or Penn St. is now out. No way we get screwed......is there?
|5 years 30 weeks ago||we all||
need more moments like these in our lives.
|5 years 30 weeks ago||He will||
I am gaining confidence each and every day. Whether its him or someone else, I truly feel like we are moving forward with this thing. Maybe Hoke should help out with the BB recruiting. There are plenty of two sport stars out there, go get us one!
|5 years 31 weeks ago||need more talent||
Bottom line, at a school like Michigan, the name alone should bring one or two above average prospects. Just like our issues with Kicker, there is no excuse in my mind to allow for the lack of talent in either area.
I think the issue, more than recruiting, is talent evaluation. So many mid-major teams in BB find 2 and 3 star guys and they end up being guys that take a team two or three rounds into the NCAA's every few years. The fact we can't find that guy every once in a while, tells me he can't see the future when looking at these kids.
Game coaching is also lacking, in my opinion, but it's the ability to spot the diamonds in the rough that is really lacking here. Just watch the first two rounds of the tourny and tell me that half of the leading scorers wouldn't have walked to AA to be a part of this program, if only asked.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||please, please, please||
Tell Denard you love and want him as your QB!!!
|5 years 32 weeks ago||count me in!||
I'll pay $5 for a droid app.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||when will we know?||
What is the most likely drop dead date for current players (see Denard) to leave? Do they need permission to leave? I want to know when WE will know who is staying and who is going? Who is stilling committing and who is decomitting?
Everything is just speculation right now but I want to know WHEN!
|5 years 32 weeks ago||OC||
How about that crazy bastard from Texas Tech as the OC?
|5 years 32 weeks ago||current players||
With all of the information on here, surely someone has a little insight on what Denard, et all. are thinking??? There is no way all the players are keeping quiet on what they are or are not are planning. Are we all watching the coaching ball too close and missing the fact that Denard has already moved out of his dorm and enrolled at a community college accross the street from Oregon?
|5 years 32 weeks ago||Feels good||
To see I am in the majority. I too wanted either Jimmy or status quo with new DC. Here is the sad part, as of right this moment, I can't imagine any coach that is going to make me feel any better any time soon. Things can only get worse... coach I really don't like, more losses in the recruiting area, Denard transfers (death). I really don't see any upside at this moment.
Best case is I don't want to kill myself between now and early September. I hope I am suprised but I doubt it.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||until we||
find someone VERY speical.
What about Jimmy Johnson?
|5 years 32 weeks ago||Ncaa vs NIT||
I would rather play in the NIT and win a few games than play a two or three seed in the NCAA and get blown out. Very nice showing though and it gives me hope we might win a surpise game or two in conference this year.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||I'm going to sleep||
wake me up when this is all over.
|5 years 33 weeks ago||from Texa||
TCU comes a close second to the blue, just so you know where I am coming from. Here is my take... as for my emotions, I am certainly torn. He is a fantastic coach. He would immediately move several of the excess talent on offense and make them all big ten on D. He recruits athletes and good men and plugs them in wherever he can best use them. Bottom line, he is a better fit than the dead man in SF.
As for whether he would come or not, hard to tell. Here is what I can tell you about my gut on that point. GP has made it a point, not just this year but always, to never slam the BCS, big conferences, etc.. He didnt even take the bait when that jackass from OHIO challenged TCU and Boise. What I have always believe was he followed this because A) he is a gentleman and B) because he knew he would be a part of the party soon enough. Low and behold, TCU is now in a BCS conference. But was that his plan or has he had his eyes on something like this?
Anyway, while I hope he does make the jump (mostly because TCU would be ok without him and we most likely will not be ok without him), I don't think he comes. TCU is rebuilding their stadium, in a crappy BCS confernce where he will most likely compete every year for a BCS game and National Title. His recruiting roots are here and he is just now winning that battle with UT, A&M, etc..
So pray all you want, but my gut says no, not this time. But I sure hope I am wrong. I have several friends down here who are connected, if I hear anything , I will pass it along.