at least it's not just us?
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|4 weeks 6 days ago||MACRAO||
They can transfer in. I did and nearly all of my credits did transfer via MACRAO.
Problem is only one CC in the state has a football program.
Out of state CC's aren't covered by MACRAO.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Grand Rapids CC||
Save for players from Grand Rapids CC. Most/All credits would transfer due to in-state agreement between CC's and state universities. GRCC is the only CC in the state with a football team I think.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||The shock has started to wear||
The shock has started to wear off.
yes, we are a spoiled fan-base.
no, the sky is not falling.
As others here have pointed out, RR neglected to recruit many offensive linemen in his final two years, and many of those he did were busts. That give us our present underclassmen musical-chairs o-line.
What should be the results when an underclassmen line goes up against one of the better defenses in the nation? Just what we saw yesterday...
|6 weeks 5 days ago||The most obvious answer tends||
The most obvious answer tends to be the correct one...so youth it is.
So, we’re probably 2 years out form having a decent OL built from the existing players and incoming recruits...
The coaches need to seriously look at bringing in some JC or grad-transfer OL talent to shore things up & buy time for the youth to develop without getting their confidence blow to crap!
The argument against JC transfers has been that they tend to lose too many credits when transferring into Michigan. That would not be the case if they came from GRCC because ofThe MACRAO Transfer Agreement.
If we did find a couple gems-in-the-rough at GRCC, they would in effect replace a couple busts from the earlier classes & allow us to redshirt more of the incoming class.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||victory formation?||
|6 weeks 5 days ago||on what point(s)?||
on what point(s)?
|6 weeks 5 days ago||also||
Hoke was looking for a transfer QB over the spring/summer so why not OL?
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I loved the scripted opening||
I loved the scripted opening drive too! Gave me hope and makes me wonder what could be with time and talent on the line.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Few if any, but I can’t||
Few if any, but I can’t recall such a clear youth problem in the OL over the past 40 years either. Also it’s a different era & I don’t see why the football program shouldn’t look at grad & JC transfers if it makes strategic sense. The U of M student body includes many transfers. There is no reason that the football program shouldn’t also if warranted.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||transfers||
Just to be clear, I am not “apologizing for Borges” & I don’t see how that has anything to do with the content of my post.
Now, if you want to know what grade I would give Borges, it would be an incomplete because as of yet, I have no clue what his end goals are with this team because most of what has been tried just doesn’t work or has been some horrid chimera with Rich-Rod’s head, Hoke’s body and Denards dreads.
I also have no idea what offensive theory he’s trying to apply. It looks like we have a bunch of plays but no coherent offensive system to speak of.
As others have posted, with such bad blocking / pass protection, not much would work...
I’d really like to see what Borges could do with a good line and a QB capable of running his system. Denard wasn’t that guy. Devin may be, but the line sucks. It’s hard for me to feel confident judging Borges one way or another right now.
My point above stands though. The coaches should have seen this youth problem (if that is what it is) coming even two years ago and should have planned for it by bringing in a few good OL transfers to shore things up.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||transfers||
The staff should have had the foresight to see this coming and gone after a couple good transfers or grad-transfers on the OL. Such a shame we are wasting another year when we do have a fantastic QB and good skilled position players.
I know Michigan’s football program likes to think they are above taking transfers, but it’s needed. If they have a couple open scholarships at the end of this recruiting process, I hope they do go out and get some experienced players for 2014.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||i agree.||
Borges is widely known as a college WCO guru of sorts.
WCO uses the short passing game to set up the run & deep ball.
The idea of running into a stacked line goes against all principles of WCO.
Given the choice between running his complex WCO system and running the ball up the middle for 1 yard gains, he’d clearly choose WCO.
From that we can take he doesn’t have a choice.
A) Michigan lacks the personnel to run WCO
i) the OL can’t block well enough to run WCO
ii) Gardener doesn’t run WCO well
B) Hoke is telling him to “establish the run at all costs”.
i) because he believes it will help the OL grow-up.
ii) he wants to run a power-variant of the WCO.
iii) we’re not playing to win. we’re playing to win next year.
iv) all of the above.
C) The coaches are incompetent
Of all of these, “C” is the one that appears to be surely false.
Brady did very well at Ball State & SDSU. Borges has a long track record of success also.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||i just don't understand.||
i just don't understand.
When Hoke was hired, he gave a lot of talk about manball & I took it mostly as window dressing for the old guard.
Hoke & Borges didn't run a power O at SDSU. I don't believe Borges has ever coached a power O either. It's not his style. His roots are n WCO.
"establishing the run" is anathema to WCO.
WCO is about taking what the D gives you. 30 to 40 passes a game, short ball control passing peppered with some run and some deep ball.
I was operating under the idea that the end goal was to install an updated WCO at Michigan.
If Hoke really want's to be be Michigan 1972 or Wisconsin 2002, then why Borges at OC?
|9 weeks 5 days ago||great point about the o-line||
I have a hard time knowing where to point or if anyone is really to blame.
With the state of the o-line, there might not be much that can be done with this team.
I *think* we have some good up-and-coming skill position players, and I don't think Gardener is a bad QB by any means, though he is trying to force some things. ..
If the OL can't block, then there isn't much Borges or any other coach can do.
Still, shocking we could put up 40 points when we can't block.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||M 42 PSU 20||
M 42 PSU 20
|10 weeks 11 hours ago||word is||
they have been trying some new medication and in the short term, that may have caused the seizure. Hope is that if they give the medication some time and he gets some rest & limits his coaching duties, he'll be OK.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||quite a bit.||
Mostly it’s about instilling the habit of going to games or coming to understand the excitement of being at such an event.
Also, how to enjoy the event as opposed to sitting at home and watching it on TV.
All I keep hearing is that the students would rather drink and hit on each other at parties...that tells me they don’t understand HOW to go to games and enjoy them.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||?||
and that’s different than 10, 20, 30 years ago how?
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I agree to a point.||
I like the idea of letting students sell their own tickets if they want to miss a game. I used to often pick up a spare student section ticket back in the day for face value on the walk from campus. I don’t know why the athletic department would be afraid of that...
I think the problem may have started about 10 years ago when costs started to make big-time college football less of a family friendly event. Families couldn’t afford to maintain blocks of 4 tickets...kids as a result didn’t get exposed to Michigan Football first hand as those of us did back in the 70‘s.
Part of the solution may be to cut the student section by 75% or more and take those seats to create an affordable “family section” specifically for fans with school-age kids.
Teach them young how to attend games. Hell, take it a step further and start a family tailgating area with free parking up on north campus and bus them down to the games. Have the Glee Clubs (men and women) teach the kids Michigan songs at the location.
It might take 10 years to fix however...
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I don't know if I'd go that far but it sure was a good time. :)||
I will say that Moeller was a man before his time in many ways. Had he not had the Thunderbird problem, Michigan might have developed a very innovative O rather that putrid Lloydball...
One small factor, some students did scalp their tickets if they didn’t want to go to the game back then. Mostly it was small-scale and not a big deal. I grew up in A2 also, so occasionally I’d make it down to campus and pick up a student ticket for face value. Now, obviously we’re not talking 1/3 to 1/2 of the student section doing that, but that practice may have inflated the attendance numbers for our era a little.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Hardly||
In the early 90's when I was there, the student section were packed.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I agree. It is time...sad but true.||
On TV, they couldn’t hide the shame that is our student section at times with creative camera angles...and I’m glad. Really drove the problem home.
I just hope it’s a single lost generation and not a sign of things to come.
Back around 2000, in the old Victors Valiant board community, we had a discussion about what impact increased ticket prices would have long-term. One possibility we projected was that families would stop taking their kids to games which would result in such a lost generation. Since they didn’t develop the game-going habit as kids, they wouldn’t want to go as young adults. I’m not sure if 13 years later we are starting to see that shoe drop, but it could be part of the problem. If so, then the trend will continue to get worse.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||our student section is embarrassing...||
I’d love to ask them why they are not showing up for the games, but I doubt they could answer that question even if they wanted to.
Is it a generational thing? Back in the early 70's, the stadium was rarely full, even when the team was good. Some of that stemmed from a rejection of tradition and authority but many other organizations saw similar declines on campus (Men’s Glee Club, Greek System, etc...) I don’t think that’s the case this time.
Are they so ADHD that they can’t focus on the game?
Does this generation just not care about anything other than a party?
Do they not really care about football? Maybe they weren't indoctrinated at a young age?
I know this problem isn’t just confined to the U of M but I just can’t imagine missing even a single game if I were a student again.
I know it’s their choice to go or not go, but at this rate, I say cut the student section in half and bring back Band Day.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||the QB we faces yesterday||
was the same one that hung 43 on SJSU & didn't play VS Iowa. You may already know that but I think it should be mentioned because if he had played VS the Hawkeyes, I suspect the game would have at least been much more competitive.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Much more to feel good about yesterday!||
No turnovers was HUGE!!!!
We have found two big pro-style WR’s to go with our damn good slots.
The adjustments to the OL seem to work! Even when having his head ripped off, Glasgow wouldn’t release his block.
We put up 40 without trying all that hard on a pretty good team. I know people downgraded Minnesota after what happened with Iowa, but the Gophers started a different QB last week (who was still a bit injured). Different team with the new kid in there.
Green looked pretty good as a change-of-pace guy for a frosh.
I would love to see Green in there as a FB.
Devin ate the ball a few times. Major step forward there. I’d much rather have him take a short sack rather than a 20 yard loss or throw a pick.
Over the summer, the major questions surrounding this O was big men at WR and performance of the OL. Looked to me like those questions were answered yesterday.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I wonder where he got||
the 2012 Dodge Charger? Hmmmm?
The VIN# wsa listed on the police report as 2C3CDXBG0CH168553.
Can anyone here look it up and find the history?
|12 weeks 3 days ago||inferior product?||
1. I am being provided with an inferior product half the season. Now due to television, money and other factors, the scheduling in college football has gone to crap. In the Bo Schembechler days, Michigan played titans of college football
I’m sure that is the perception but back in Bo’s days, Michigan would typically play one or two competitive teams OOC then end the season with Ohio State. Michigan State was rarely any real threat. Iowa was sometimes competitive.
Now, we tend to play one or sometimes two big name programs OOC, plus we have to deal with Nebraska, Penn State, a better MSU, sometimes a Wisconsin team that has become a real power over the last two decades and an Ohio team built on bending every rule to the limit.
In the new world of college football, the MAC schools are often as good or better than the lesser B1G teams.
It’s not an inferior product by any stretch...
|12 weeks 4 days ago||pay VS work study||
Perhaps it is splitting hairs but while I would have a problem giving players a paycheck, I would have no problem at all giving ALL OF THEM 20 hr / week (or what ever the NCAA says is the limit for required practice hours per week) work study at the going rate for work study jobs on campus.
I don't think it's that radical of an idea. A student that works in the library does a service for the school and can get work-study for it. A football player does service for the school...
|12 weeks 4 days ago||wind||
A point they made on the radio broadcast was what a factor the stiff wind was in the game.
Michigan had the wind to their back 1st & 4th qtrs. In their face 2nd & 3rd.
UConn, in their face 1st and 4th, to their backs 2nd & 3rd.
Michigan moved the ball the best, scored the most and had the least number of mistakes in the 1st & 4th qtrs. Michigan did score once in the 3rd on a long run by Fitz (not thru the air).
Similarly, UConn moved the ball the best, scored the most and had the least number of mistakes in the 2nd & 3rd qtrs. UConn didn't score at all in the 1st & 4th qtrs. The INT they gave up came on a long pass attempt in the 4th qtr.
Looked to me like the wind was working to compress the field on us in the 2nd & 3rd...in effect making more like playing the the red zone, taking away any limited deep threat we may have. That allowed UConn to blitz more without a huge risk and that somewhat neutralized our short passing game. That put more pressure on Devin. He tried to force the issue and it didn't work...
Also, we grossed 249 yards rushing! Of course we lost 57 yards to put us just under the 200 yard mark but that's correctable. These numbers don't include yards gained off of the shuttle pass, which is just a hand-of anyway. That's telling me that we really did do a lot of work and make some progress this past week.
The field didn’t do us any flavors for the running game either. Long, slow, soft, divot-prone natural grass isn’t our friend.
My take-away is we’re not as good as we thought we were after ND but we’re a good deal better than the score indicated last night. The rushing game was starting to come around, esp. in the second half. We started to take some deep shots in an attempt to keep the D honest but the ball sailed or hung-up. Those throws will be there under better conditions.
So, we know we have the dink-a-dunk WCO passing. The running game is showing life...add a deep threat and some improved pass blocking and settle down Devin’s happy-feet...we should put it together in a couple weeks!
|13 weeks 5 days ago||in hindsight||
this was the perfect trap game.
Not making excuses for us today but...
Akron's coaching staff is better than 9 or 10 of the B1G coaching staffs.
We recruited their QB---and I saw why today.
The Zips are rebuilding with grad-transfers that don't need to sit out... (lots of experiance!)
They clearly were much better than advertised. Near perfect storm.
We were lucky to come outwith a win today BUT also a fantastic lesson for the team.
One to really build on moving forward!