somehow we're only 124th
|1 week 22 hours ago||They did lose McGary, GR3, Stauskas, Morgan and Horford.||
While we expect Beilein to just reload, it's a tall order this year.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It really does||
The game screams Big Ten. Zero offensive points......
|4 weeks 6 days ago||You might want to check some facts||
Stoops also had Oklahoma in the National Title game after the 2003, 2004 and 2008 seasons. He lost 21-14 to Saban's LSU squad, 55-19 to Carroll's USC team, and 24-14 to Meyer's Florida team. I would say making the National Title game 4 times is pretty impressive. But even if not, its definitely, out of the ordinary. That may be the most any team made it in the BCS era.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I found this post stunning to the point I verified it||
I find it damn near unfathomable that Hoke has only won 6 road game in 3.75 seasons! He is 6-11! That is crazy bad.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah||
He has garnered some up votes! But he should, his email post may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||That is the biggest win of the fall season so far||
Without Brandon, there is hope.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I didn't either||
That is awesome. I think he has more than Brian!
|6 weeks 6 days ago||I have always wondered about this||
People all thought it was great when Hoke said his goal in college was to try to drink every beer in Podunk Indiana when he was in college. And when he preached toughness. Why does Michigan always want to win on physical play? Being a strong academic school, shouldnt we try to win with smarts over physicality? Bring back Fritz Crisler's Mad Magicians!
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I think you are right.||
ESPN has what you have right now on their website
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Welcome back||
Glad this worked out. It must have been painfull for a while.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Pitchfork is such a better choice.||
Never understood why people go for torches.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||yeah he does||
About 18,000 to 6,000....
18,000 is a lot of points for someone to take down other than a mod.....
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Wow||
This has more potential than our football team....
|9 weeks 6 days ago||So are you saying||
That our coaches arent good at halftime adjustments? I didnt see a conclusion?
|10 weeks 9 hours ago||Is he not toxic now?||
What more does it take? I feel like Brandon is more toxic than RRod was at this point.
|10 weeks 9 hours ago||Also put it in perspective||
While Ross is an enormous donor who has made very impressive donations to the University that have likely greatly enriched a lot of things, the University's endowment was $8.4 billion in 2013. I believe Ross has donated around $300 million or 3.5%. He is a big voice, but no individual donor is going to be the only voice.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||33-16 looking pretty good now||
In reference to your footer. The class of 2015 is at 28-17 with 6, maybe 7 games to go.
Plus, you were 3-1 against Ohio, 1-1 against ND, 2-2 against State and 2-2 in bowl games.
Although the class of 2011 is modern day worst, went 24-26.........0-4 against Ohio, 3-1 against ND, 1-3 against State, 1-1 bowl games.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Really both are pretty bad.||
While I agree that the defense is nowhere near the ineptness of last years running games, being 51st in scoring defense is pretty bad. Expectations in year 4 at Michigan are much higher.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Yes he would stay but||
How much evidence do you need? We are 3-7 in our last 10 B1G games and 3-10 against Power5 conference teams.
Hypothetically the Pistons can be NBA champions this year.
I was shocked he wasn't fired after Rutgers.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Well, on the bright side||
We are only 1.5 underdogs on Sagarin against Penn State after you factor in home field.
That makes it essentially a toss up.
That is better than I thought it would be.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||I wonder.||
Who do you think Brandon thinks are his customers?
Seems to me he thinks it only is the 931 student athletes and big donors.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Valid point on Mack Brown||
I dont think Threet (or Sheridan or Cone) would have needed to light it up though. The QB would have been a game manager type QB that would have handed off a lot to Carlos Brown and Brandon Minor. We actually stayed in a lot of games that year for a while and lost due to turnovers (often on special teams). I dont think Carr would have had as many issues there as while special teams have never been a strength at Michigan, the dropped punts in 2008 were almost comical there was so many.
Anyways, no need to debate as we will never know and it really doesnt matter.
Clearly would have been better to either have gone to someone with a similar scheme as Carr (the whole Michigan Man bs) or gotten the proper buy-in from those close to the Athletic Dept that a change could be ugly initially.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||I disagree even more||
I think Lloyd goes 7-5 or better. The personnel remaining were better fit to Carr's offense. The defense was actually ok that year. Biggest problem they had was bad field position due to the offense's inability to move the ball and turnovers (remember how many punts we dropped?).
Given that Lloyd coached 13 seasons and never did worse than 7-5, I doubt he would have in 2008.
It was a terrible year to transition, I agree.
But it doesnt really matter. All in the past now.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Unfortunately||
Ron Zook would probably be an upgrade over what we have now.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Actually 10 is better.||
Allows for more toughness.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||I think we need to continue the pressure.||
Anytime there is blood in the water, you have to finish the situation. Brandon will fight back hard and being a CEO, he will be adept at internal politics. It would be great if Brian gave us some direction as I think we would rally behind him.
There are multiple things that I think could help:
The first 3 are ones that can be done individually:
Then some bigger activities that take some organization are:
Essentially the more the message can be gotten across the better. I also think the focus needs to be on Brandon. Not fire Hoke, not we want Harbaugh. Brandon is the root of the problem. Need to address it there.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Does it really make you wonder?||
I feel like we should all be beyond wondering.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||What are the winnable games?||
I think we have the best chance against Indiana and Maryland at home. Less of a chance against Penn State and at Northwestern. Limited to no chance against MSU and OSU. Best case 3-3? Most likely 2-4? Am I optimistic still?
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Thank you||
I am literally laughing put loud at the Hindenburg flyover.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Really||
Hiring a good coach on paper would be enough to offset hiring a horrible coach on paper that turned out horrible plus coke gate, seat cushion gate, plane skywriting gate, student seating gate, hockey ticket gate, concussion gate and more? Enough to make him a very good AD? That seems like a low standard.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I did have the problem but fine now.||
IPad works well today.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||My friends and I were wondering the same thing||
Metro Detroit bars will be a sea of green. Sad times for the Maize and now mainly Blue. Even us beating Rutgers and State losing to Nebraska is only a minor win.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Doublr||
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Army is the Black Knights||
You may need to scour through Division 2 and 3 to try to find serfs, plebes, etc.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I am not sure they were in dire straights.||
I did a quick google search and found that they were principally owned by Bain Capital which is a big private equity firm with deep pockets. Yes, they were leveraged, but they were profitable in 2003 ($39 million net income) and 2002 ($61 million net income).
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Dominos pizza||
Underperformed both the S & P 500 and Papa Johns during Brandon's tenure. That doesn't make him necessarily a bad CEO, but it certainly doesn't mean he is automatically qualified to be AD.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I think many of the fans would like this.||
However, I feel like the ex-players really want to keep the Bo Mo Carr style alive of conservative offense and stout defense. To "out tough" the opponent. I always thought it was odd that Michigan would emphasize toughness over scheme being an academic school. It obviously worked for Bo but that is becoming a different era.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||That was a heck of a team of Bo's||
I think the 85 team may have been better. But great team in 1988. My first year at M. Tough start with the back to back losses to ND and Miami (ytm). But won the rest of the way except for a tie at Iowa which sucked as we were about to go ahead and Tracey Williams I think fumbled.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Sorry||
I do wonder which offenses will be statistically worse. 2008 seemed so futile trying to run Threet and Sheridan. This year has plenty of talent but little results.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||I didn't realized we had underperformed||
Glad Brandon is being transparent as Schissel wanted in his statement.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Btw, the worst would be||
The 2008 or 2014 offense with the 2010 defense.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Why the 88 defense?||
That was a really good team but I don't recall the defense being exceptional. At least not as good as 85, 97 or 80.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Fritz Crislers Mad Magician team that won the National Title||
I don't know what number but I believe it was the 1947 season. I would just love to see the offensive scheme.
I have watched M football regularly since 1985 and had season tickets from 1988 (student) until 2013.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Is anyone else at the point||
Where they get angry just hearing Brandon talk? That guy is just such a jack@ss.
|11 weeks 14 hours ago||There is a number you can call||
Its the Michigan help desk essentially. 734-764-4357
They told me since I graduated in 1991 that I didnt have a UMID number so I wouldnt be able to do it online. They were going to set up a UMID number and call me back. They guy said it would probably be a day before they called back.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Express discontent to the Regents and President||
This gets the point across to the people in charge but also doesnt disrepect the players who are working hard to try to make the program a success.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Good enough for me!||
I actually was at the Engineering school for the first time yesterday for Tech Day as my son is considering going there. Pretty impressive place. Never went there in my student days.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Well put||
JeepinBen for AD!
|12 weeks 8 hours ago||Cincy is due||
Last beat the Buckeyes in 1897!
|12 weeks 23 hours ago||Great write-up||
Did you by chance capture the class of the lineman? It would be interesting to see if the youth argument has any merit.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I think the committee should take the 4 best teams.||
Wisconsin won the conference over Nebraska with a horrible record (8-5) in 2012. You really going to take them over a 1 loss team from another conference that didn't win their conference. Clearly a conference championship should be a big plus but need to look at the entire resume.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Carr was vilified for that.||
I remember watching that Iowa game and thinking wtf are they doing lined up like that. I have to believe whatever M did in 2003 wasn't really the correct way to run the spread punt..
Poor Carr, tries to be cutting edge for once and it backfired.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Its not clear to me it will be Morris next year anyways||
My guess is he will need to compete with Speight. While Morris will be a Junior and Speight only a redshirt freshman, Morris hasnt looked that good when in, even against App State which was not a pressure situation. Ultimately, Michigan should play whoever they have that they think gives them the best chance to win.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Honestly, most people here were probably overly optimistic||
Vegas had our over/under at 7.5 games for the regular season. Most of us laughed at that (I predicted 9-3). Since Vegas is generally trying to even out the money, that means 7.5 games was the consensus across the gambling community.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||I am stunned||
I could picture 2-2 before the season but not the way it unfolded. 2 completely uncompetitive losses to teams I really dont think are that good. Hoke is right that it happened in 1998 and we rebounded. But that was in an era where we had just won a national title and been good for a long time. That "stunned" was the realization that we werent invincible on defense like we were the year before with Woodson. This "stunned" is holy shit, Hoke needs to go unless he rebounds.
|13 weeks 11 hours ago||M 29 Utah 27||
Last second field goal
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Good point||
Last year Gardner had 237 yards of the 585 rushing in the first 3 games. And it was roughly 50% against ND and 60% against Akron.
This year he has 39 out of the 726.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||We are definitely doing better||
Last year we had 585 yards rushing in the first 3 games against similar competition (CMU, ND, Akron). So we are up over 20%. But it will be interesting if we can run the ball against tougher defensive teams. 20% better against MSU and PSU doesn't make much difference.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||You have to use Brandon marketing math||
At Washington is one
Home against Washington is two.
Even these werent on the timeframe of his original schedule of end of week.
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||How about||
We are 9-9-1 in Notre Dame Stadium. We lead the modern "renewal" of the series 15-14-1. Win this game and we have a winning record in their stadium and win the modern series. Lose it and we tie the modern series and have a losing record in their stadium.
We need to win.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Love Thursday night content from Brian||
More interesting than the A & M - SC game blowout.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Henne led us to our last B1G Title||
He had a good career at M. But he was more of the game manager type quarterback that sat in the pocket. Denard was just all around spectacular, a highlight clip machine.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Nothing for me||
And I am only 30 miles from Ann Arbor.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Does the defense have a bit of an advantage in a scrimmage?||
Seems like they would be very familiar with the play calling.
|18 weeks 8 hours ago||I agree with thadmattasgoblin.||
|18 weeks 15 hours ago||We have 5 home conference games in even years||
I would think we would need to add home teams in the odds years when we have 4 home conference games.
The 2018 schedule is actually pretty good. Nebraska, Wisconsin, Penn State and Arkansas at home- those are some decent teams. Then SMU, Indiana and Maryland.
Whereas right now for 2019, we only have Iowa, Rutgers, State and Ohio at home. While we have our two rivals, with at Arkansas lined up, we need two more home games.
|18 weeks 15 hours ago||although||
We did play at UConn and I think their stadium was pretty small.
|18 weeks 16 hours ago||so it could be as early as 2018||
Be nice to have a big home game against a real marque program like USC or Texas in 2019 and 2021 with the road dates in 2018 and 2020.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||MSU hockey TBA's||
I think one of those will be at Yost. M played twice at Munn last year and only once at Yost. That generally rotates as Joe Louis is considered neutral site. I was hoping it was TBA because one would be at M stadium.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Grand Trunk Bohemian Pilsner||
From Griffin Claw Brewing Company. They have some great brews. I really like the Rojo Red. Norm's Raggedy Ass IPA is a good one too.
|29 weeks 6 days ago||Moar QBs is good.||
I would think the coaches could evaluate any potential character issues. But I don't want to see another season like 2008 when Nick Sheridan is starting or even 2012 when Bellomy has to go in against Nebraska. The more the merrier.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||ticket renewal survey||
2. 26 seasons
|41 weeks 1 day ago||I was inbetween....||
High school senior. Was even better when they won the title when I was a Junior at UM.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Amazing we got 3rd in 92-93 at 15-3.||
Conference must have had some real powerhouses.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||I didn't see one so I started one.||
Then I got down voted for starting a "third" one. Maybe different browsers?
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Is the Chip Kelly comment real?||
Why would he see Borges's play chart?
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Anyone know what Michigan averaged?||
In 68 and last year? Be interesting to see it from 68 to last year actually. If Ohio ran a lot of plays in 68 under Woody, seems like Bo might have been doing the same in 69.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Can we just vacate our losses?||
It would be nice to have an undefeated basketball season!
|45 weeks 18 hours ago||Awesome post!||
Any chance you could add a chart for the B1G West?
|45 weeks 19 hours ago||Marshall's is in?||
I signed up for the text updates and don't have one for Marshall. Everyone else though.
|45 weeks 1 day ago||As snarling indicates, Detroit's density is fairly normal||
That article is pretty misleading even though factual. San Francisco, Boston and Manhattan are some of the densest places in the US.
|45 weeks 5 days ago||After 26 years, I am not renewing||
Not a fan of the corporate experience nor the lackluster schedule. Plus, the internet makes it a lot easier to get tickets for the games I want. I am still keeping my season hockey tickets but Yost has become a shell of itself with all the corporate seats that are empty.
|46 weeks 6 hours ago||I agree||
You only stay on top of the world for so long.
|46 weeks 1 day ago||Good point||
That range can be used all year!
|48 weeks 5 days ago||Is the referree behavior influenced by the crowd essentially?||
Would this imply that teams like large full stadiums should have a better home field advantage than teams with small/emptier stadiums. Have these studies looked at that?
|48 weeks 6 days ago||Thanks Coach Borges!||
You were our offensive coordinator for one of our most successful seasons in the BCS era which concluded with a Sugar Bowl win!
|48 weeks 6 days ago||I just up voted on my iPad....||
Is there some ap you have? I just use the standard site.
|48 weeks 6 days ago||I could see that being a big part of this.||
Makes me wonder if Brandon foreced the issue for that very reason.
I am okay with it, let's use Michigan's resources to be the best!
|48 weeks 6 days ago||I am with you.||
Another 7-6 season and I think the Hoke era ends unless there are some extreme cirumstances like Gardner and Morris being hurt most of the season or 6 losses by a total of 9 points or something.
I think he is on the seat at 8-5 honestly. Three mediocre seasons in a row sound pretty bad. Consider our history starting with Bo. Over the last 45 years, Michigan has lost 5 or more games 7 seasons. Once by Bo in 1984. Once by Carr in 2005. Three by RR (2008-2010) and now two by Hoke (2012-2013).
I think Hoke needs to go 9-4. It's his fourth season at the helm, the team is mainly his guys. The season sets up well in that while your 3 rivalry games are all on the road, you are probably favored to win your other 9.
|49 weeks 11 hours ago||Well was it 900 or countless times?||
Just kidding. I understand your point but I took it to mean that he intended to bring them back but that maybe he would lose 1 to a promotion at another program. Hard to believe he anticipated bringing Borges back.
|49 weeks 11 hours ago||That doesn't seem like a positive trait.||
But you may be right.
|49 weeks 11 hours ago||Didn't Hoke say he was retaining his staff?||
Or did I imagine that. I wonder if this is Brandon forcing the issue.
|49 weeks 2 days ago||We beat them in football in 2000 in Columbus||
Not sure on BBall.
|49 weeks 5 days ago||I would think Vegas would have the over/under at 8.5||
i think we will be underdogs for sure in the 3 road games against our rivals.
As for Notre Dame, I don't think we usually beat ND on the road. We have lost 2 of our last 3 on the road there and 5 of the last 7 on the road there.
I think we go 8-4 or 9-3.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||It's not new||
People thought that after the 87 season. I was a student and the talk was how the game passed Bo by and MSU was the new power.
Well then Michigan won 5 straight Big Ten titles (4 outright) and that nonsense was put to bed.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||It could have happened.||
Oklahoma played LSU for the national title in 2003 but did not win the Big 12. Alabama beat LSU for the national title in 2011 but did not even win the SEC West. I also think Nebraska may have not won the Big 12 in 2001 when they played Miami for the national title.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||I think Hoke was trying to appease the old timers||
Bo always focused on B1G titles because it was in your control whereas the National Title was in the hands of the voters. I don't think this is why there is a difference in level of success this season.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||A crappy variation of this occurred in 2000.||
Anthony Thomas had the yards for a first down and could have just kneeled down. But instead he kept going to try and get a TD. A Northwestern defender caught him and forced a fumble. Northwestern then scored to beat Michigan 54-51.
If Thomas had just taken a knee past the sticks, it would have been victory formation time.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||Not true.||
The AP writers are not required to vote for the winner of the BCS Title game.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||Mr. Miggle is correct||
Oklahoma was undefeated but then lost big in the Big 12 championship game (35-7). Somehow in the computers, they were still ranked high enough to play in the BCS game. All 3 teams had 1 loss. USC, despite being ranked #1 in both human polls, was left out. LSU beat Oklahoma 21-14 to take the BCS Title whereas USC beat Michigan 28-14 to take the AP Poll.
|50 weeks 12 hours ago||93 gave up on the pass play.||
Might have gotten to Cook
|50 weeks 12 hours ago||How lucky was that?||
|50 weeks 12 hours ago||It's still only 7-0||
Stanford not really getting much for their yardage
|50 weeks 12 hours ago||Well they out scored us in the first 3:44||
Looked easy as well.
|50 weeks 1 day ago||It was an awful venue||
I went Saturday and had a similar experience to the author except we watched the second period in the in stadium bar.
The only thing that could top this would be putting it in the middle of Michigan Intenational Speedway.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||What names were named?||
What names were named?
|50 weeks 2 days ago||I dont know if KSU was better than their record.||
They only beat 3 teams with a winning record all year (9-4 Louisana Lafayette, 7-5 Texas Tech and 7-6 Michigan). There other wins were against two 4-8 teams, two 3-9 teams and a 1-11 team.
They were a pretty mediocre team.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||I think the defense shares responsibility here||
While it is popular to bash Borges, the defense regressed mightily this year.
Year Avg Yards Allowed Avg Points Allowed
2013 367 26.5
2012 320 19.9
2011 322 17.4
|50 weeks 2 days ago||Hoke has beaten at least one over .500 team on the road||
Illinois finished 7-6 in 2011. I do believe this is the only one though.
|1 year 1 week ago||In that case||
Round 1 - FSU vs Baylor and SEC rematch.
|1 year 1 week ago||Who would the Committee have selected this year?||
If the 4 team playoff had started already, seems like this would be more controversial than the current system. Florida State and Auburn would be locks. But then you have the other power conference winners- Stanford, Michigan State and Baylor competing with Alabama for 2 spots.
|1 year 1 week ago||7-5 would be unacceptable to me.||
That would be three 5 or more loss seasons in a row with no sign of progress. Our schedule has 3 tough games, all of our rivals on the road. Otherwise, we will be favored in our other 9 games. I think we go 9-3.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||History would say 2-3||
Given the schedule, that seems about right although I could see winning one of the tough 3.
On the flip side, we have a really good shot at winning all of our home games next year. But I see a 9-3 season for 2014.
Then in 2015, we edge up to 10-2 (losing at Utah and PSU), but win the B1G East and the B1G.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Don - do you think it would be bigger than the 96 upset?||
I feel it would be equivalent.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Come on Magnus||
No one wants to see a bunch of clearly articulated facts pointing to a loss! Why don't you white out the words and just add a few more pictures to balance it out.....
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Mattison was our DC in 1995 and 1996||
We upset Ohio each time 31-23 and 13-9.
The 1996 season was very similar to this one. The Buckeyes were blowing people out, undefeated, 10-0, and ranked #2. Meanwhile we were 7-3 with a solid defense and an anemic offense under 2nd year OC Fred Jackson (Fred said our offense was like the speed of light but faster and like Atlas but stronger......). We had even lost at Purdue 9-3. Yet the defense kept us in the game and we rebounded from a 9-0 deficit at the half.
Michigan 20, Ohio 17
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Their 89 game against Illinois was a classic||
Leading 10-7 with under 2 minutes to go, they just needed to run out the clock. I actually think they could have just taken a knee but they chose to plunge into the line with their back, Hylant Hickson. He of course fumbled and Jeff George drove Illinois for a TD and the win.
It's actually a pet peeve of mine when coaches decide to run between the tackles when they could just take a knee. You still see it quite often. At the end of the first half, maybe the logic is that you could break a big run but it seems like the risk of fumbling and giving up points is greater than ripping off a 60+ yard run on the last play of the half. But you see it at the end of games as well. We may have even been able to just take a knee against Indiana this year at the end when Fitz rumbled for the TD but not sure.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Bo||
5-4-1 vs Woody
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Like the chart.||
Any chance you could add Notre Dame and maybe the other 3 teams we played. Would be interesting to see where they fall compared to who we still have to play.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Moeller was the coach in 1991||
Bo gave up 40 to Missouri his first year and never gave up 40 or more again.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Maybe it's supposed to be but it's not.||
The 1995 5-0 Purdue game in the rain/sleet was never more than 75% full for example. I was there and stayed to the end. It was cool actually, I just followed the line of scrimmage in about row 20 for the 4th quarter. Couldn't have been more than 25,000 there at the end.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||This board is extremely fragile as of late.||
Hoke is 24-8 as a coach. He has a Sugar Bowl win. Hard to crucify him over 1 loss. Plus, look at all the other top teams losing this year and every year in college football. Just this week, #5 Stanford at Utah, #8 Louisville at home against UCF.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||I think they announce the higher of ticket sales or actual.||
In that mid 70s game, was it not a sellout?
|1 year 8 weeks ago||How do you get 30 with Gibbons 2-2?||
Wile makes one? We go for 2 after all 3 TDs? We miss all extra points after 4 TDs?
|1 year 8 weeks ago||42-28 Michigan||
Hoke to 19-0 at home!
|1 year 9 weeks ago||It is frustrating.||
Borges doesnt seem to make in-game adjustments very well. It is as if the plan was determined earlier and we go with the plan, regardless of how it is working.
I will say that our offense is much better than a GERG defense though. Our scoring offense is ranked 22nd right now and while I didnt look it up, I think GERG's defenses were ranked in the 100 range.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Great post!||
One question though. How many teams have tried to score a TD with under a minute and 80 yards to go? You mentioned 6 made it. I was wondering what the percentage was.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Treadwell||
Anything seems better. Doesn't Funk report to Borges? Don't see how the O Line issues don' t roll up to him.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Actually we were on our 45||
It was 4th and 1. I thought we should have gone for it. I would be curious what the Mathlete would think.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||Totally agree Don.||
I remember going there as a kid around when it opened thinking how stupid a really steep big staircase is on a stadium used for winter sports. Olympia had charm like Yost. I understand a pro team needed more than charm, but Joe Louis seemed to miss the boat on everything but more seats. The Palace opened about a decade later and seemed significantly better.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Agree with the above on Bo.||
Also Bo's Lasting Lessons, I think by John Bacon. 3 and out if you want the Richrod saga. There is also a book by Jon Faulk that is interesting, I can't remember the name.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||If you read the article||
They play ASU this year and next. They also play us this year and next. Not sure how you concluded they replaced us with ASU.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||I was just happy to see a M hockey thread!||
Given the new B1G hockey conference and the greatest schedule since I have followed Michigan Hockey (25 seasons, I am old....), I really think there should be more hype.
Hopefully, this year's schedule is indicative of future year's as well.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||We hired a guy named Bo once.||
He worked for some Ohio team. Come to think of it, we hired a guy named Mo that played for that same Ohio team. Those hires worked out pretty well!
|1 year 33 weeks ago||I am with you.||
I figured the blue jackets have about 7 fans. Hard to picture Columbus truck drivers yelling Let's Go Blue.....Jackets.
|1 year 33 weeks ago||They got it||
They just need to tie in regulation. They are up 3-0 with 1:19 to go and on power play.
|1 year 33 weeks ago||The Wings could do well in the playoffs.||
They have really come on of late. If Yale can win as the last team in, no reason the Wings can't win as a 7th seed.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Comparable team to this year||
I think we will be in a position to challenge in the B1G for the title and be a 3-4 seed in the tourney. Likely make the Sweet Sixteen but probably not a Final Four team. Hope I am wrong on the latter part.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||There always seems to be outliers every game.||
I don't understand it. But I went to the 2002 ND game (atND) with 3 guys from work and 1 guy wore a Charlie Batch Detroit Lions jersey.........
|1 year 37 weeks ago||The B1G needs to win National Titles for respect nationwide.||
Since our win in 1989, the B1G has only 1title, State in 2000. That's pretty bad. During that timespan the ACC, Big East and SEC have quite a few. And it's not just blueboods like Duke, NC and Kentucky although they have 10 in that stretch I believe. Schools like Arkansas, Maryland, UNLV, Arizona, Syracuse each have a title. UConn came out of nowhere and won 3.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||I like the high profile games.||
But I wish more were at home. Due to the Joe game against MSU, only 9 home conference games. Then the 2 Boston games, 2 Tech games and maybe 2 Ferris games is only 15 home games.
I count 33 games not counting playoffs. 15 home, 15 away, 3 neutral (Joe and GLI).
I guess there probably will still be the lesser games to fill out the home schedule like the exhibition games against a Canada college team and the Under 18 team. Sucks not to have any home playoff games.
Still, glad to see the Boston teams and I would guess we will get New Hampshire next year.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Either||
Win the B1G tourney and make the Elite 8
Make the Final Four
Otherwise, this season isnt a success. Tying for 4th regular season is an underachievement so the team has ground to make up.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||This is great for Detroit||
Even better than the old Norris. Getting Boston, Montreal and Toronto is well worth losing Chicago. I agree that it sucks for Chicago.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||You could keep checking the ticket spreadsheet.||
But I think it will be hard to find a pair for $20. The ticket spreadsheet is under MGoBoard up top on this site. I have 4 at face of $20 each for sale for the Saturday Ferris State game.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Gardner question||
Does the below quote mean its huge that he got his redshirt or does it mean it is huge if he gets his redshirt?
Devin Gardner getting his redshirt is huge not just for the team as a whole, but also Morris's development.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||9-4||
5 for sure wins: CMU, Akron, @UConn, Indiana, Minn
8 losable games: ND, @MSU, @PSU, @NW, @Iowa, Nebraska, Ohio, Bowl game. I think we lose 2 road games, a home game and the bowl game.
Under Hoke we are 14-0 at home, but only 5-7 road/neutral site.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||That 85 team had an incredible defense||
For all the hype that Harbaugh and Morris get, the offense is what held that team back.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||I wish the Fords would sell the team||
Let Illitch or Gilbert buy it. I think there would be better results. The Fords are the one constant through the 50+ year debacle.
|2 years 6 days ago||Great post||
Very interesting. I find it reassuring to see statistics detail out that ND and Ohio are not as good as their records. Fortunately Ohio is on probation so we don't have to see the two lucky teams play for the national title.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Thanks||
Looks like I will just go to 20 as an Alumnus.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||What is the source of this news?||
Also, right now I get 10 points as I have 2 degrees from Michigan. Will I get 40 or just 20 now?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||My wife claims they were new.||
We go to most games and she tends to notice anything other than the game itself!
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Out of curiosity||
I know this doesn't impact the record but was Pat White a 4 year starter?
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Ties||
I would think the team with the jug would retain the jug in a tie.
|2 years 6 weeks ago||M 26 Minn 10||
652 yards of total offense for both teams
401 for Michigan and 251 for Minnesota
|2 years 7 weeks ago||It gets worse if Bama loses||
I never thought I would say this but if Bama loses to say LSU and Oregon loses to someone, it's ND vs. K State for the national title. I could see ND winning that game unfortunately.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||How was San Diego St's and Ball St's defense?||
Hoke didn't have Mattison there. Obviously those are weaker programs but did they have strong defenses? I wonder how much is Mattison and how much is Hoke?
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Mack Brown might not like it but||
That just comes with the territory at being at the richest football program in the country. I bet he likes all the money that leads to better facilities and all the exposure that leads to better recruits. I agree with the posters above, he is just making excuses for a shoddy defense which has put them out of the Big 12 race midway through October.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Nice post||
Thanks for this and the other content you have created.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Field rush in 1989 after Ohio game||
It started before the game was over as I was in the middle of the field and looked up to see 6 seconds still on the clock. Michael Taylor had just taken a knee. I remember thinking how big he looked in pads and helmet compared to the class I had with him.
We didnt know it but that was Bo's last game as a coach in M Stadium. Clinched the Big 10 outright. I think the score was 28-18.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||I think you need to see how he does in a pro style offense.||
Hard to judge a guy when he is outside his expertise. But I agree there is concern. I have seen Auburn's undefeated team referenced as a Borges credential but in reality their offense wasn't very good that year and he was ultimately canned.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||A thread hijack but who is responsible for the fake FG working?||
Is that on Mattison? Or is that a special teams coach? That was obviously a huge turning point if it doesn't succeed. I am amazed that we were not prepared there.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||It's kind of troubling||
It is somewhat infrequent that we don't score TDs historically and it has now happened twice this year. We have score only 32 points total against the 3 top defenses we have faced. Fortunately, we don't really face anymore top defenses this year (except maybe in the bowl).
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Well,||
The crowd did rush the field. It was packed after the game.
I think a lot of Michigan fans wanted to beat Sparty pretty bad. Several vehemently disagreed with me when I said the Nebraska game is more important. Hopefully, everyone follows Hoke's lead and we focus on the B1G title and not Sparty from now on.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Brian's weird scores||
I always thought he just took the output of some computer model. Does he? Or does he just pick weird scores?
|2 years 8 weeks ago||My little brother actually went to State||
So the little brother thing is really a good fit in our family.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||M 20 S 10||
Go Blue, win #900!
|2 years 8 weeks ago||M 14 S 3||
Rushing yards of 151
|2 years 9 weeks ago||why the odd picks lately?||
I agree with Frank Murphy that 11 is pretty odd and 29 isnt really that common. Last week you picked 32-18 I think. Do you have some sort of model that is spitting out a number?
|2 years 9 weeks ago||M 49-0||
|2 years 9 weeks ago||If you want to pick them up in Southfield||
You can have my 4 tickets for tonights exhibition game against Windsor for free. I couldnt find anyone that wanted them.
I also have available 4 tickets for this Friday against RIT and next Friday against Bentley. Face is $20 each but I am willing to consider any offer.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||How do you feel about your original top 10?||
About 5 weeks ago you posted:
"My Top10: 1.Oklahoma 2.Oregon 3.Texas 4.Alabama 5.Georgia 6.USC 7.Ohio 8.Michigan 9.ND 10.LSU".
7 still undefeated, OU and USC with a loss and M with 2 losses.
What does your model show now for a Top 10? What would Michigan's rank be?
Thanks for your great posts btw.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Texas is the best choice.||
I believe they have the second most wins in football, just ahead of ND. Texas is deep in tradition, a solid academic school, has a huge following. They also just dropped Texas A& M, a long time rival, so maybe they could work us in. We are 0-1 lifetime against them so it would be nice to get another crack at them.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Unfortunately, I agree||
While way less fun as a fan, playing cupcakes is solid way to increase the chances of getting into the BCS championship game/playoff. Once the 4 team playoff starts, an undefeated B1G champion will get a spot every time.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||I could be wrong but||
My recollection is that when Canham agreed with ND to resume the series in the late 70's, he agreed to an extra game in South Bend provided that the home team got to keep the majority (maybe all?) of the gate revenue. It was due to the disparity in Stadium size as Michigan Stadium was 100,000+ and ND Stadium was around 60,000. I do not believe that the current arrangement treats the gate revenue this way but my guess is that once you got through the original contract, the next series started in Ann Arbor so it should end in South Bend.
But I don't have a link or anything so as my intro said, I could be wrong.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||see the ticket spreadsheet up on MGoBoard||
Tickets are available for quite a few games, including against Miami (ranked #9).
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Why are we arguing who is the blame?||
Its not like just one person is to blame. The whole team is too blame. Denard executed poorly. Borges got too creative. The receivers didnt get much separation. No one really did anything exceptional. Even the defense, who played great all game, couldnt make a stop when they had to.
I have confidence that they learn from this and move forward. While it would have been great to beat our rival, winning the B1G is really what matters given that after the Alabama debacle, any shot of national honors was out the window.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||You guys are all wrong||
I blame The Knowledge. He predicted the win and it didnt happen. Is this another alter universe dimension problem?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Does anyone thing the B1G can win the Rose Bowl?||
I just don't see how the B1G champion beats USC/Oregon/Stanford.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Mixed||
I feel much better about Mattison and our defense.
I question Borges more and more. Hard to understand 1st and goal twice from the 10 in the first quarter and we ran a sweep to Touisant, two passes by Denard and a pass by Vincent Smith. I don't feel like he puts Denard in the best position to succeed.
B1G season will be interesting. Who will be the lamb for the PAC 12?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Link?||
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Which time?||
03 or 07?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||If the average home field advantage is 3.8 points,||
I wonder what the advantage (if any) is for the 105th team. My guess is that it is still something positive.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||I dont know||
Last 5 games at each location, Michigan is 2-3 at ND and 4-1 at home. Seems like a home field advantage to me. Going back 10 more games, Michigan is 1-3-1 at ND and 3-2 at home.
Combined last 20 games, Michigan is 3-6-1 at ND and 7-3 at home.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||what officials do they use for the game?||
Is it Big East officials since ND is currently associated with the Big East in everything but football? I assume it is not B1G officials.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Unfortunately, Michigan lost the first 3 night games at ND||
Need to change the streak. I was at the 1990 game as a student and it was a horribly depressing loss as Michigan was ranked #1 and ND came from behind in the 4th quarter to win. It started to rain just around when the game ended. Seemed fitting.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||I second this.||
Give it to Funchess. And in the future, give all these numbers to freshman. Use it as a recruiting tool. I believe that is how the number 1 jersey thing started. Bo wanted an extra edge to pull Carter from Florida. I think if you look before Carter, the #1 jersey was just a jersey assigned to whoever.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||So the QB's at our main rivals are all negatives?||
I know your numbers are averages but if I am reading this correctly:
ND is starting a freshman now (although may go back to Rees). So that would be a -1.6.
MSU has Maxwell who is in year 1 of 2. So that would be a -1.9.
Ohio has Miller who is in year 2 of 4. So that would be a -.2. Although Miller had an OC change which in his case was probably better.
This implies though that all of our rivals are held back by their QB. And in MSU's case, it really wont get much better. Miller should be a beast thought by his senior season. As for ND, hard to tell with the carousel QB process they use.
What I dont understand is how can Denard only be worth +4? Is that just +4 from average?
|2 years 14 weeks ago||I agree as well.||
The recap and link are nice.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Awesome!||
The flyover was the highlight of the game!
|2 years 14 weeks ago||I am hopeful as well||
We have had plenty of rough starts in the past that have turned into pretty good seasons (88, 98, and 07 started 0-2 and ended 9-2-1, 10-3 and 9-4).
We have a cupcake next week so we will be 2-1 after game 3 which is where most of us thought we would be at. Our opponents have had their struggles as well. ND just got by Purdue and Nebraska lost at UCLA. State may or may not be good, I think it is too early to tell. Ohio struggled somewhat against UCF. Our potential opponent in the B1G championship game lost to Oregon State.
No need to panic. The team has issues but our young talent should get better at a fast clip.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||I agree.||
Plus, we had a remote but possible chance of winning against FSU late in the game. Michigan was down 44-31 and driving for a TD when Grbac threw a pick 6. Now, dont get me wrong, we had to get the TD and then an onside kick and another TD all within a few minutes. But there was a chance. I didnt feel like we even had a chance against Alabama sometime fairly early in the game.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Probably this Alabama team.||
Others were USC in 07 and 04 Rose Bowls (06 and 03 seasons), Penn State in 94, FSU in 91, Washington in 92 Rose Bowl (91 season), Miami in 88.
It is hard to compare somewhat this early with Alabama because we really dont know how good Michigan is. But my guess is that Alabama is dominant like last year.
Florida State was probably the most shocking as our defense never let in points like that under Bo. Unfortunately it was the beginning of a 20+ year trend of our defense not being what it was (with a few exception years). People rationalize saying that college football is more wide open but I think the Bama's and the LSU's show you that defense can still reign supreme.
Hopefully we return to being a top defense under Hoke and Mattison.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||I have 2 in Section 20, row 14.||
I have a wedding to go to that day. I would take face for them. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||I am not sure I get it.||
Numerous people in this thread say most cyclists were doping. So why is Armstrong the chief conspirator? Ulrich was his biggest competitor and Ulrich had Kloden and Vino for a few years. All were caught doping so how could you argue that Postal/Discovery was a conspiracy but T-Mobile was not? Seems to me that Armstrong gets a raw deal with this lifetime ban. Now I am biased because I am a triathlete and wanted to see how he would do in Kona which looks to be permanently off at this point.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||So why does he get a lifetime ban?||
All the other cyclists that get caught seem to get a 2 year ban? Last month I watched Vinokourov win a gold medal after being convicted of doping a few years ago. Contador is riding the Vuelta as I write this and he go caught only a couple years ago?
What is up with the lifetime ban? I assume this will apply to triathlon as well so no Kona.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Thanks||
It is interesting because it is very different than the polls. Thanks again. Great post.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Interesting||
Doesnt seem to support a decline. Although, will the 2013 class decline as I believe they need to add quite a few more players?
Maybe the bigger difference was our decline due to recruiting and transfers for a period (which seems to be past us).
|2 years 16 weeks ago||I agree.||
I immediately stop what I am doing and read Mathlete's content when he posts. Overall, I think he is a close second to Brian but since Mathlete posts less, it seems more valuable.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||So Mathlete, who is your top 10?||
Using the HTTV methodology, who are your top 10 to hoist the crystal football? (In order.....)