I’m in sec 43 row 58.
Three rows down - row 56 - is last row right behind wheelchair seating. There is a narrow concourse in front of that row that the ushers keep clear. But you could stretch your legs out. Good luck!
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Completely agree on the perils of limiting PIP. As a surgeon, I can attest to the crushing, potential lifetime expense that an auto accident can create for an individual.
You advise against buying online unless “you really know what you are doing”.
Can you elaborate? I recently bought a policy from Progressive online for my son. I matched up the exact same deductible and coverage limits as the policy my agent offered and the online quote was 40% cheaper. My agent said “they can’t match online pricing”. Is the premium that an independent agent charges that much? Am I missing something in the fine print somewhere that makes this a risky move?
Thank you. Completely agree. My father, in fact, is 81. He is a long time season ticket holder that loves Michigan and understands football. He can’t stand easily for long periods especially in the tight surroundings of the stadium.
Like you said, there are obvious appropriate times to stand. But standing just for the sake of it, at the obvious detriment of those around you is rude. The attitude that only “real fans” stand all game and scream is just dumb.
Isolated PCL tears (partial or complete) are typically treated with bracing and rehab and generally speaking are not career ending. The much more serious injury would be a PCL injury in association with ACL and/or collateral ligament injury. Think McGahee or Napolean Kauffman.
Man, I gotta tip my hat to you for your passion and commitment to M football, but that's a rough 81 game stretch for us historically.
Here's to better days!
that a failure of the system is a failure of the team doctor necessarily.
I am an athlete who actually played football too. I played concussed multiple times because the doc never knew. Happened a lot back then, hopefully far less now.
The medical community is working very hard to implement safe guidelines for the evaluation and management of concussion. It requires an integrated system with buy-in from the team/institution, coaches, trainers, multiple different physician specialties and the players themselves. I am a team doctor for high school and professional teams. While there may be exceptions, the vast majority of us care a great deal about the athletes we are responsible for and truly want what is best for them.
was in response to a previous comment and spoke more to the evolving evaluation and understanding of concussion.
As to your claim of my obvious "false assertions", there will always be exceptions, but your "evidence" doesn't disprove my statement. Keenum and Morris are great examples of system failures. Morris was never evaluated by a health care professional. Seemingly, Hoke put him back in on his own. A trainer saw Keenum on the field. He may not have seen the hit, may not have seen him on the ground or spoke to the spotter, and by the time he reached him maybe Keenum "seemed" fine. The system, not a team doctor, failed these players in these instances and clearly there has to be improvement in that regard. Your last link supports exactly what I was saying more than anything else. By the way, brief loss of consciousness in football is not uncommon and probably underreported. Difficult to know incidence because players wake up before you can get to them. Brief LOC alone, in the absence of persistent symptoms, was not felt to be an absolute exclusion for return to play years ago so those numbers while suspect don't really surprise me.
Your tone is one of incompetence, neglect and conspiracy on the part of health care providers. I can guarantee that in the vast majority of cases there is nothing farther from the truth.
Are you a health care professional who has stood on the sideline of football games tasked with the well being of multiple players at once including the evaluation and management of concussion?
If not, I'd suggest you don't know what you don't know.
Team docs were not sending clearly symptomatic (photophobia, disoriented, amnesia, nausea/vomiting etc) concussed players back into a game 60 years ago or 10 years ago. However, that's not how the majority of concussions present on the sideline. 10 years ago, and probably more recently, "mild" or Grade I concussions (now an obsolete/irrelevant terminology) were observed for 15-30 minutes and reevaluated. If "symptom free" and after a brief neurological exam (with no controls or validated metrics) they were often cleared to return to play that game. They almost certainly would return to practice quickly and play the next week.
That was common, "standard of care". Trainers, docs and all really didn't know any better. It hasn't been until fairly recently that the medical community has realized how much we don't know about concussion and the potential for significant long term consequences that exists with even "mild" concussions.
The sideline management of concussions is drastically different now than 7-10 years ago. I think that trying to hold an institution, team, training staff or doctor accountable to today's standards for actions many years ago will be difficult.
It absolutely is an emerging science. It wasn't that long ago that concussed athletes were let back on the field the same game. That would (or should) never happen now, but it used to happen all the time.
Helmets have limited capacity to protect against concussion. Even modern designs have not shown much greater protection from concussion then old-fashioned leather helmets. They are much better in protecting against a skull fracture but not concussion. It has to do with the sudden deceleration and impact of the brain inside the skull. That is a very difficult biomedical engineering problem to solve.
But the clock did stop at :43. Watch the replay. Not for long, but clock stopped, chains were moving, and the ref started the clock going again. Quite quickly if you ask me but clock did stop.
The clock DID stop at :43 for the first down. The chains were (kind of ) reset, and the ref started the clock. We lost 11 seconds at the line of scrimmage trying to get our next play off before the ref stopped it again for the review. It seems to me that refs this year are really starting the clock very quickly after first downs. I've noticed several times that the chains are not even reset and the clock gets rolling again.
I believe that had the call been reversed, the clock would have been reset. Given that it wasn't, I think it was correct to not change the clock. Once they did restart the clock it probably did cost us an additional 3-4 seconds as we didn't snap the ball right away.
Generally speaking, yes.
The ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow is often times partially torn for a time and may or may not be completely torn at the time of reconstruction. it is typically a pain and loss of velocity issue, as opposed to gross instability, that leads to surgery, and this process can occur over time or sometimes acutely.
While there are partial ACL tears that do not destabilize the knee and do not require surgery, the vast majority of ACL injuries result in a complete or high grade partial tear of the ligament that renders the knee unstable and in need of reconstruction. ACL injuries are acute.
They are really two very different problems.
No. ACL injuries are traumatic, not attritional or degenerative. The ligament tears acutely and destabilizes the knee. Typically, the knee is fine and then a split second later it is not.
I don't agree with that. There is no literature to suggest that an ACL reconstructed knee is necessarily stronger or better than pre injury. While the transplanted patellar tendon or hamstring tendons are both stronger than the native ACL at the time of surgery, they undergo significant remodeling and revascularization which significantly
diminishes their strength and stiffness at least early on, if not always. This is not to say that ACL reconstruction is not effective; clearly many if not most recover. Not all are able to return to 100% pre injury status however.
Orthopaedist here. Pure speculation, but a 2 week prognosis would imply cleaning up a small flap of cartilage or small flap tear of the meniscus that was removed (as opposed to repaired or stitched). With a first rate staff of docs and trainers like M has and a high level athlete, 2 weeks is possible but that is not typical for the average weekend warrrior. Once again; speculation - I know nothing at all of what Roundtree had done.
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I’m in sec 43 row 58.
Three rows down - row 56 - is last row right behind wheelchair seating. There is a narrow concourse in front of that row that the ushers keep clear. But you could stretch your legs out. Good luck!
Comment and a question.
Completely agree on the perils of limiting PIP. As a surgeon, I can attest to the crushing, potential lifetime expense that an auto accident can create for an individual.
You advise against buying online unless “you really know what you are doing”.
Can you elaborate? I recently bought a policy from Progressive online for my son. I matched up the exact same deductible and coverage limits as the policy my agent offered and the online quote was 40% cheaper. My agent said “they can’t match online pricing”. Is the premium that an independent agent charges that much? Am I missing something in the fine print somewhere that makes this a risky move?
Thank you. Completely agree. My father, in fact, is 81. He is a long time season ticket holder that loves Michigan and understands football. He can’t stand easily for long periods especially in the tight surroundings of the stadium.
Like you said, there are obvious appropriate times to stand. But standing just for the sake of it, at the obvious detriment of those around you is rude. The attitude that only “real fans” stand all game and scream is just dumb.
Longtime EGR resident also and friend of Stuursma as well. Agree 100%
i…
EGR put on “probation”??
i don’t recall that
Here's to better days!
that a failure of the system is a failure of the team doctor necessarily.
I am an athlete who actually played football too. I played concussed multiple times because the doc never knew. Happened a lot back then, hopefully far less now.
The medical community is working very hard to implement safe guidelines for the evaluation and management of concussion. It requires an integrated system with buy-in from the team/institution, coaches, trainers, multiple different physician specialties and the players themselves. I am a team doctor for high school and professional teams. While there may be exceptions, the vast majority of us care a great deal about the athletes we are responsible for and truly want what is best for them.
As to your claim of my obvious "false assertions", there will always be exceptions, but your "evidence" doesn't disprove my statement. Keenum and Morris are great examples of system failures. Morris was never evaluated by a health care professional. Seemingly, Hoke put him back in on his own. A trainer saw Keenum on the field. He may not have seen the hit, may not have seen him on the ground or spoke to the spotter, and by the time he reached him maybe Keenum "seemed" fine. The system, not a team doctor, failed these players in these instances and clearly there has to be improvement in that regard. Your last link supports exactly what I was saying more than anything else. By the way, brief loss of consciousness in football is not uncommon and probably underreported. Difficult to know incidence because players wake up before you can get to them. Brief LOC alone, in the absence of persistent symptoms, was not felt to be an absolute exclusion for return to play years ago so those numbers while suspect don't really surprise me.
Your tone is one of incompetence, neglect and conspiracy on the part of health care providers. I can guarantee that in the vast majority of cases there is nothing farther from the truth.
Are you a health care professional who has stood on the sideline of football games tasked with the well being of multiple players at once including the evaluation and management of concussion?
If not, I'd suggest you don't know what you don't know.
That was common, "standard of care". Trainers, docs and all really didn't know any better. It hasn't been until fairly recently that the medical community has realized how much we don't know about concussion and the potential for significant long term consequences that exists with even "mild" concussions.
The sideline management of concussions is drastically different now than 7-10 years ago. I think that trying to hold an institution, team, training staff or doctor accountable to today's standards for actions many years ago will be difficult.
I believe that had the call been reversed, the clock would have been reset. Given that it wasn't, I think it was correct to not change the clock. Once they did restart the clock it probably did cost us an additional 3-4 seconds as we didn't snap the ball right away.
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diminishes their strength and stiffness at least early on, if not always. This is not to say that ACL reconstruction is not effective; clearly many if not most recover. Not all are able to return to 100% pre injury status however.
Orthopaedist here. Pure speculation, but a 2 week prognosis would imply cleaning up a small flap of cartilage or small flap tear of the meniscus that was removed (as opposed to repaired or stitched). With a first rate staff of docs and trainers like M has and a high level athlete, 2 weeks is possible but that is not typical for the average weekend warrrior. Once again; speculation - I know nothing at all of what Roundtree had done.