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|18 hours 45 min ago||Well||
I see you're on here voicing your superior opinion rather than out fixing the world yourself.
If it makes any difference, last week I donated one-third of my take-home pay to charity. But you see, my daily activities aren't limited to one thing.
|18 hours 48 min ago||We didn't have visibility||
We didn't have visibility into the Gibbons debacle. It was all handled behind closed doors. EVERYONE saw what happened on Saturday, so we don't even care what was decided in the closed-door meetings.
Again, if you think this is all just a show, fine. But baseless allegation is baseless.
Trolls are out in full force tonight. I guess it's due to the media attention, so it's to be expected.
|18 hours 53 min ago||Dude||
We're not Alabama, LSU or Penn State. You're free to be a cynic in your own head but when you post about it you're making a baseless allegation.
|18 hours 57 min ago||No||
Devin Gardner and Molk knew their feet were FUBAR, were aware of the risks (Molk said he was aware his NFL career was on the line) and in fact Molk started the game on the sideline. They both made conscious decisions to play. Molk in particular refused painkillers because he wanted to "feel what I was doing to my foot". In these cases I can respect their decisions as adults.
The problem with Morris is that he was HIT IN THE HEAD. He was INCAPABLE of making decisions for himself, which is why every goddamn concussion policy in the country takes that decision OUT of the player's hands. Which is why the coaches' use of Morris waving them off is so unacceptable it's basically a confession that they were grossly negligent. It's as damning as, "Well, Your Honor, I didn't kill that person. I just held up the gun, aimed it and pulled the trigger."
Furthermore, there's one other huge difference between feet and brains you're not addressing: We can fix feet. We literally played athletes who have fully recovered from foot and leg injuries, including but not limited to: ankle sprains, broken feet, torn ACLs, broken legs. We have no established treatment for brain trauma. None. It's something we can't fix. If we had those nifty medical pods in "Elysium" frankly I wouldn't care if Morris' brain was mashed into goo because we could always rebuild him ("we have the technology") but we DON'T have the technology.
|19 hours 8 min ago||Wait||
Did they start fires, riot, and loot stores? Or is every show of solidarity attention whoring to you? What exactly is your authoritative standard for a real demonstration vs. a fake one?
|19 hours 17 min ago||Yes, show us the way||
And yet you're here. . .
|19 hours 20 min ago||Right||
Because, you know, it's just been so hard to actually complain about the losses that we have to make shit up to complain about the losses.
I'm not sure you understand how free speech works.
|19 hours 21 min ago||I hate this||
This can't be proven and is being used to undermine the fans' concerns.
I've heard barely a peep about the goddamn game and Michigan just got manhandled by Minnesota. No, wait, I've heard some people talk about it. . . like that asshole on Deadspin who claims we're ONLY complaining about Morris' concussion because the team sucks. That's who's talking about the game.
This is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. If we wanted to complain about the team sucking, we'd just complain about it. We have been for weeks now. What excuse do we need?
|19 hours 26 min ago||Fair enough||
But caring is only half the battle. It doesn't matter how much he cares if he's too stubborn to do the most basic things to protect his players and put them in the best position to succeed.
I believe Denard, but I think he's missing the point. There are plenty of accusations of malice but the calls to fire Hoke really don't care if he's evil or stupid -- it's based on the results.
|19 hours 41 min ago||Several things||
First, this is kind of a "last straw". Brandon has been shitting where he eats for years, but his handling of the Morris incident made it personal. If anything I'm impressed that THIS was the final straw. The fans stood by through Noodlegate, Cokegate and other embarrassments but they decided they'd had it when a player's health was endangered.
Second, Hoke is a Brandon hire and there were calls to have Hoke fired immediately. Instead the entire process has treated the fanbase with the utmost disregard and disrespect. The fact that no one is being disciplined at all speaks volumes about what Brandon ISN'T doing.
Third, Brandon threw Hoke under the bus. Even though Hoke's been mighty unpopular, the students didn't fall for Brandon's stupid ploy. He insulted their intelligence and that only brought them from mad to furious. Hoke claimed to have no knowledge and he's probably telling the truth. Brandon badly mishandled the information HE had in the worst way possible, in a way that exposes his cynical contempt for the fans and their demands for accountability.
Fourth, the whole handling of the affair is shady and embarrassing. Hoke looks like a buffoon but the statement that damned him came directly from Brandon in the middle of the night. Everyone else was kept in the dark or shut out. Brandon may have brought even some undue attention on himself but now we're in a "cover-up worse than the crime" debacle and every bit of disdain for his handling of the athletic department is well-deserved.
Fifth, no coach in their right mind wants to work for an AD who's shown his willingness for complete betrayal. The fans know that things won't improve until Brandon's gone.
The responsibility for Morris' play falls on Hoke, but the students know where the root of all evils are.
|20 hours 4 min ago||Looks more than 500||
It might've peaked around 700 or so. The media eating it up adds some delicious fuel to the fire, though.
Petition at 9385. At this pace it'll be over 10,000 by day's end.
|20 hours 6 min ago||So?||
This is a fight over the athletic department, not equal rights. For the level of scandal I'd say the turnout was warranted. What exactly is your point?
|20 hours 9 min ago||.|
|21 hours 53 min ago||In other news||
The petition is up to 8806 as of 6:50 PM EDT.
Note the petition says nothing about not supporting the players.
Howard needs to understand that Brandon will happily use the players as the political equivalent of a human shield to continue running our athletic department into the ground. If our only options are cheer or cheer harder, Howard is basically showing (whether he understands or not) deep contempt for the fans. He thinks players are entitled to fan support.
He couldn't possibly be more wrong. And quoting Schembechler doesn't make him any less wrong.
The fans GIVE their support to the players. In fact, they PAY for it. It is NOT an entitlement, but Howard is taking it for granted because it's given willingly. Without the fans the program would be a shoestring club holding bake sales to pay for pads. The fans, however, are entitled to a voice, especially considering they're bankrolling the whole thing. Even if the players are not paid, the fans pay for the equipment, the facilities, the travel costs, the opportunity basically. Yet even now, their anger is directed at the coach and AD, not the players.
I get his point, but Howard has no place telling fans what to do. At all. He needs to step away from the keyboard because this sort of entitlement is counterproductive. A football team without fans is really just a sports club playing purely for the love of the game. Despite the insane resources provided by fans we give the players the benefit of the doubt. Having any sort of expectations for fan behavior means Howard has this completely backwards.
|22 hours 39 min ago||P.S.||
Consider that Brandon's last gig was running a pizza business into the ground. The guy probably is used to having his way; someone taking an ethical stand was probably unprecedented for him.
|22 hours 50 min ago||Wait a minute||
Almost all the outrage over the last three days has been over the Morris incident, despite the AD shitting on fans for years. . . one of the most passionate outpourings for the welfare of a single player I've ever witnessed (I mean FFS it's a concussion, not a severed artery). . . and Mr. Howard here is saying we're not supporting the players?
FUCK YOU, TODD.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Nice normalcy||
That said, this was rather vague for Mattison. Then again it seemed the press wasn't particularly interested.
I know Mattison is a personal friend of Hoke so he's probably taking this very hard, but I hope he sees the difference between hate and demand for accountability. Michigan is a lot of things; I've heard us fans be described as everything from aloof to arrogant, but the one thing we aren't is stupid. It seems to annoy the coaches that we demand answers but that's the price you pay when you coach for Michigan. If you want a fanbase that won't ask questions about how you run the program, move to the Bible Belt.
|1 day 2 hours ago||As I said in the other thread||
I doubt throwing Hoke to the wolves was Brandon's first plan. He only did that to save his skin once he realized the medical staff was taking a stand. It's kind of a quibble because he's a douchebag either way, but there's no evidence Brandon was out to "torture" Hoke. I think he went into "pointy-haired boss" mode (i.e., planned to take charge while having no clue), told Hoke he'll take care of it, went to the doctors for a statement, fought to have the word "concussion" removed and when the docs told Brandon to GTFO he realized there was no way to sweep it under the rug, shit a brick and threw Hoke under in a panic. That's the scenario that fits the timeline and developments.
Anyway, I don't care about Hoke anymore. The more forgiving opinions are that he's delegated too much of the work but I call it a classic case of irresponsibility. It's one thing to trust others to do their jobs, but if Hoke wanted to know how his QB was doing (and mind you he claims to care about his players like family), he could've just made a phone call. People keep talking about how he was kept in the dark but c'mon; the presser was Monday. In the time between the hit and the time Hoke needed answers at the absolute latest it's not like he'd need to even use 21st century technology. Telegraph, the Pony Express or even just HAND-DELIVERING A PAPER NOTE would've been fast enough to get the update on Morris' status on Hoke's desk.
Like Paterno, he may not have known initially, but once he was informed of it there is NO way he couldn't have found out if he tried. He's the HEAD COACH. He'd better have the team doctors' numbers on his goddamn cell phone, if only to find out which QBs are showing up to the next practice. That's not necessarily going over Brandon's head; that's just doing his damn job.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Probably not||
IANAL, but short of an clear-cut policy violation it is very difficult to prove incompetence at one's job to the extent that the employer's assessment is objective enough to avoid a lawsuit, which is the real bar here.
The whole point of "firing without cause" is not to literally fire without cause. The idea is that you shouldn't have to have extensive hearings or (god forbid) a lawsuit to dismiss someone for doing a crappy job. An employee could be a walking disaster but it's easier to fire "without cause" than prove an absolute to outsiders. There's a reason why most people pass the buck; money's on the line and it's easy to do. Head coaches are all too often scapegoats so I'd wager these buyout clauses are extremely common. If anything, the meager $2 million indicates Hoke was confident he'd keep his job.
Anyway, "you suck" is not "cause" in a legal sense, and there's enough plausible deniability that Hoke didn't knowingly violate NCAA rules re: the Morris incident. Frankly, I do believe Hoke didn't intentionally play Morris while he was concussed. He really is just that shockingly bad at his job, and while I personally make no distinction between malice and incompetence in a position of responsibility, the reason why people do try to look stupid is precisely because policies and laws are far more forgiving of idiots than assholes.
|1 day 4 hours ago||I stand corrected||
I mean to say Brandon initially didn't intend to throw Hoke under the bus. Plan A was probably to bully the doctors into giving them what he wanted. When that failed, like any other big-wig corporate CEO, he decided to use Hoke as a human shield.
That's what I mean that the doctors might've just gotten Hoke fired. Brandon's first instinct wasn't to sacrifice his own homey, but to use his underlings like tools. He was probably amazed and thwarted at the sight of professionals showing integrity (whatwhatwhat? you're going to tell the truth even though it implicates you and you're not getting bribed??) and was forced to make a tough decision -- admit fault or set up a fall guy. Welp, that's not a tough decision for a socipath. Bye Hoke!
|1 day 5 hours ago||P.S.||
If you're looking for a silver lining, it's that the fans have responded to Hoke blaming them for not supporting the players with flying colors. Hell, it's rare to see people actually talking about the score. He'd better not roll out that "support the players" crap again because I've never seen a fanbase more concerned for the players. Despite the fact that our football team is terrible and our athletic department is a disgrace, I've never been more proud to have graduated from Michigan. In its own way, seeing how this community places much greater importance on Morris' health than the dead season means more to me than witnessing the '97 season firsthand. That was success, but times like this give that success meaning. It's just too bad the people in charge are the cause of all this.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Quibble||
I don't even think DB threw Hoke under the bus. I think he had a plan to protect Hoke by pressuring the medical staff to issue that release and lost the battle. That's what took so long, and accounts for Hoke's "lie". He was probably told to expect a release and went to the press conference with that in mind. Hoke's biggest post-game mistake was trusting Brandon (though I think Hoke should be fired for his on-field conduct alone). There was a breakdown by the medical staff, but their accountability after the fact has been of the highest order. The medical staff might've just gotten Hoke fired. Knowing Brandon they could've lost their jobs. I didn't think people like this still existed in this country.
But as Brian says, while the on-field stuff was a debacle, it could've been mitigated if they just acted like adults and swiftly acted to fix the underlying problems. But DB is the worst kind of American-style CEO -- wants the power without any understanding or concern for responsibility, likes pushing buttons but has no fucking clue how things get done. To him, it was all about legalese and PR and the word "concussion" was a semantic nuisance I daresay he sincerely thought he could avoid by using his good ol' negotiation skills on the medical staff. It's the perfect mindset to turn a breakdown into a clusterfuck.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Don't we all||
Basic procedural competence would seem divine at this point.
But don't try to wedge in here some sort of false equivalence fallacy where the fallibility of being human is the same as not doing your job when the expectation is that you're one of the best in the country at it. If that was the case then air travel and surgery (among other things) would be way too dangerous. There's a reason why experts undergo years of education and training before we trust them to do their jobs.
I wouldn't expect Hoke to run, say, an airfield or ER with any level of competence because in that context he's an average human being. He would have no ability to understand what's going on around him and can easily miss critical details that a trained professional would catch. People would die by the thousands but that's pretty much the expectation if you put a layman in a position of responsibility. Thing is, he's a football coach employed as a football coach and he STILL shows no ability to understand what's going on around him and can easily miss critical details that a trained professional would catch.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Bland and vanilla?||
I think so far the playcalling has shown Nuss will take the easy yards. He doesn't have Borges' creativity but he's also shown the capacity to understand constraint theory.
The advantage to Nuss' approach is that it's sustainable. Borges' offense is fundamentally unsustainable because those gimmick plays with screamingly obvious keys only work for a week at most. Constraint theory relies on a base play that forces the defense to overplay it, then take the easy yards. The defense can know everything you're going to do but if defending the whole playbook means being everywhere at once they wind up having to pick their poison. In this case the base play is inside zone. When it's clicking it's very hard for a defense to limit it to 4-5 yards, which is all the offense needs to move the chains. You have to stop the run, which means stacking the box, which opens up other things. Rock, Paper, Scissors.
The problem is that, for now, there are no easy yards -- at least without Funchess' playmaking ability. Borges' gimmicks can work on even a good defense for a week if he catches them off-guard (as opposed to running month-old gimmicks against the best defense in the nation), but if you can't reliably move the chains with your base play, the defense can sit in its base package, play sound defense and shut everything down. Nuss is trying to build something but it takes a couple years to develop, and the program is falling apart all around him.
At this point Nuss is working with an injured QB, a broken and possibly injured QB, a true freshman LT, his best playmaker injured as well, and trying to install a scheme that takes years to learn. He HAS to keep it simple; they're struggling to execute the base play! I'm sure he's working his tail off and his only crime will be running out of time. Of all the people responsible for this clusterfuck, I hold Nuss the least responsible. No, I don't want Borges back. His Cheesecake Factory offense worked at SDSU but everyone brings their A-game to the Big House. They'll study the game film all night if they have to, and amazingly Borges didn't count on that. Once they keyed on stupidly simply things like "Norfleet in = jet sweep" that offense became ridiculously easy to stop.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Bad example||
This is not a case study on eyewitness testimony or samaritanism.
We didn't just pull a guy off the street to head our football program. This is a person in a very high level of responsibility who had to apply for the job. You generally hire people who are not only above-average but bona fide elite when you're paying them millions of dollars. I do not expect infallibility, but nor do I expect fundamental breakdowns in common sense protocol.
Or to put it another way, you just undermined your own defense because you're comparing the Head Coach and Athletic Director of the University of Michigan with the competence of the average human being. In which case they REALLY have no business being there.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Sounds like the medical staff||
Sounds like the medical staff stepped up like crazy. The problem is that they were kept out of the loop. They had the most to lose by admitting it was a concussion yet they had to have been the ones who fought to keep the language. It's kind of shocking that sort of accountability is still present within our Athletics Department.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Thing is||
"I still don't think Hoke and his staff are a bunch of idiots. What they are is a staff that hasn't paid enough attention to details, hasn't demanded attention to details, and has put trust into people that they shouldn't trust, and now they look like a bunch of assclowns."
I appreciate the honest assessment but I'll have to disagree on this one point. This, on a professional level, is an idiot. It's an idiot in every way that matters. They're idiots. Professionally, there's no difference between someone too stupid to understand the details and too lazy to dig for them because you're still stuck with ignorance either way.
Maybe Hoke had dreams of Michigan being some heaven of resources where he gets Top. Men. to do all the important things while he gets to sit in a big office, coach the DL (and mind you he's damn good at it) and call fake field goals. That's an innocent perspective of his tenure, but if it puts a player at risk then unacceptable is still unacceptable. I have very little tolerance to people who apply for jobs they're not qualified for. Yes there's something to be said for Dunning-Kruger, but as a HC at smaller programs Hoke damn well knows about the things he delegated (according to your theory). Also, you can't honestly say something is a "top priority" if you've delegated it below your top position. That is by definition NOT a top priority.
Getting all the details isn't just about protecting yourself. Just the fact that he was content to trust others regarding Morris' condition shows a lack of engagement, press conference be damned. Forget the press conference. If you care about someone, wouldn't you want to know how they're doing?? Even if he thought Morris just had an ankle injury, wouldn't he have some sort of post-game injury report from the medical staff by SUNDAY? How long is a HC content to wait for a medical release for a QB? Just how much does he delegate out of his control?? I mean, starter injuries are a basic part of preparing for the next game even without this scandal. People are arguing whether this is incompetence or a cover-up but I'd say this incident sheds light on just how poorly the program is managed.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Hey||
You know what else would've avoided the whole damn thing blowing up?
Saying you didn't see something is fine, but only as testimony. If you're in a position of responsibility, you need to gather the facts. The incompetence they're attempting to claim to avoid appearance of intent is staggering. They are literally saying they had a huge meltdown because that somehow sounds better than they did it on purpose. I really don't care.
I've been involved in incidents that escalated to senior management as well. What's invariably missing is a lack of ownership in key chains of the process. Some guy's responsible for making a decision but decides to not gather the facts because that, like, work n' stuff.
|1 day 7 hours ago||IIRC||
I think it's just a disincentive for the excuse that there's no time. Prior to the rule a lot of kids were caught not properly securing their helmets. The coach can't do inspections between plays and there's a risk in not having a properly adjusted helmet, so they had to implement something to get kids to take it seriously. Concussions are a concern but it's not like they're buying time to assess. It's to make sure the kids secure their damned helmets.
|1 day 7 hours ago||At the very least||
Of all things, Nuss' account is the most probable. After the incompletion he thinks they're off the field when he gets the call (somehow Nuss' communication is better) and his first priority is to decide the next play. He does notice Morris limping but looking downfield didn't see the hit, thinks it's the ankle, Morris waves him off, OK then -- next play. He's got 25 seconds and that's not just to assess the situation but to get the next set of plays ready. Things are crazy on the sideline and the coordinators are probably used to making snap decisions. Unless the HC calls a timeout that is, which he didn't because Hoke is a goddamn miser.
I'm less forgiving of Hoke because the decisions to pull a player or call a timeout rest with him. He can't claim there's too much going on when he refuses to wear a headset. I was willing to forgive this peculiar habit as long as he demonstrated the capacity to stay on top of everything, but now he's using ignorance as an excuse. That means the ONLY reason he didn't wear a headset is idiotic stubbornness.
The other thing that disgusts me is this insistence that safety is the utmost importance when they weren't even willing to burn a timeout to check up on a player. I mean, at that point who the hell cares that the refs screwed you? "Utmost importance" does not mean "less valuable than a timeout".