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|8 min 9 sec ago||False choice fallacy much?||
Also: straw man, ad hominem, begging the question.
|4 hours 15 min ago||I liked the call||
Keep calling it this way. Sucks to be the MLB, but it's not like this is going on his permanent record. He was ejected from a blowout. That's it. He'll be back next week, no worse for wear.
Here's the thing about targeting -- it's about protecting the players from head injuries. And when it comes to head injuries, a concussion couldn't care less if it was "intentional". Nor would a doctor. If you have a concussion, the "treatment" is literally bed rest and maybe some painkillers. They're basically looking at the damage and shrugging.
Which is why there's a targeting rule in the first place. We can't fix brains like we can ACLs. Hell, I remember way back in 2001 when Drew Bledsoe got knocked out of an NFL game and all they really did was keep giving him blood and draining his chest cavity until his body healed. In the ye olde past he might've bled out. But not only did he live; he returned in the same season. So you can hit a guy's chest at full speed all you want; we can fix that. OTOH, Junior Seau shot himself to end his nightmarish life because there's no fix for a broken brain. Anyone who thinks of a player being ejected for putting another player in danger -- however inadvertently -- is missing the big picture. You can lose a football game and life goes on; brain damage is permanent. That's why the rule is the way it is, and why this was a GOOD call. It's not fair that there's one part of the body we just can't fix. But that's the reality we're stuck with.
So again, it sucks for the player who's just trying to make a play, no intent is obvious, but until we invent a concussion-proof helmet or brain repair, you call the penalty ANYWAY. We have to enforce targeting as aggressively as possible until players are going out of their way to avoid helmet contact, because that's what we need them to do as long as technology can't save the day. Now if we can just get the NFL to give a fuck about player safety.
|6 hours 44 min ago||I don't think so||
I mean, I grok the respect for that play, but I think trying to put Harbaugh in a box is trying to boil down rocket science into a sound bite. Most people want silver bullets to simplify things for them, and then there are those who embrace complexity and master the art.
As I've said before, Harbaugh is the ultimate SunTzuball coach. He's not bound by any yardage, scheme, play, player or other stubborn mindset. He prefers a balanced offense built around a solid run game because DUH, but he'll play to the team's strengths, cover the weaknesses, take what the opposing defense gives him, not reveal too much and always have a full bag of tricks if he needs to manufacture touchdowns with duct tape and spackle. Whether that's a FB dive, a jet sweep, play-action or a 4-wide shotgun, he's going to always find -- and use without hesitation -- the option to destroy you efficiently, effectively and mercilessly.
Last game was largely 5-8 yard gains because that's what PSU was giving him and he was happy to take it because why not? I was impressed with their secondary but their front 7 was depleted and badly coached. The D-line was very aggressive going upfield and they were way overplaying the edge, so inside runs and intermediate throws were open.
|7 hours 6 min ago||Talk about...||
Talk about how annoyed you are with these interviews where the "reporters" basically just have you write their article for them.
|22 hours 29 min ago||Oh really, grumbler?||
Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
|1 day 2 hours ago||sideline interference call||
Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again.
|1 day 18 hours ago||They tackled pretty well||
Michigan didn't hit many home runs; PSU largely kept things in front of them. It seemed on every drive we converted a third down by a yard and, on a couple occasions, didn't. Smith had to break a few tackles that would've brought down anyone else, Speight shook off some pretty decent hits himself (he's a tough hombre) and the receivers were consistently flattened as soon as the ball arrived. PSU's D-line tended to go too far upfield though. Our RBs often saw someone in the backfield. . . run right past them, and Speight (Navarre 2.0) scrambled a lot but with relative ease. Overall I thought PSU swarmed pretty well, but the approach eventually backfired. I'm not sure the O-line's sorted out so much as PSU gambled on the Colorado game tape showing crappy blocking and an off-kilter Speight, thinking they could disrupt M's offense by aggressively attacking upfield. I'm guessing though.
I also have to disagree with Ace's take that Speight wasn't asked to do much. 34 throws is a decently full plate as it is, but especially the first couple drives, the running game was sputtering so Speight kept the chains moving with short passes. I remember some pretty key passes to Smith, Hill and Butt that prevented us from settling for FGs, as well as a scramble for a first down. It was very much the "world's most hippopotamus-shaped air raid" that Brian mentioned earlier. At some point in the 2nd quarter it looks like the coaches noticed something and opened up the run game.
TL;DR: I was impressed with PSU's back 7 but that D-line. . . it's a "bend-bend-bend-break" defense.
|1 day 22 hours ago||Non-contact =||
Knee was probably ready to go. Sucks either way.
Someone else is going to have to step up, but the drop-off after Lewis/Stribling/Clark is pretty bad.
|1 week 3 days ago||It's bad news||
And it is entirely your fault. Or so I've heard.
|1 week 4 days ago||That's not the issue though||
I probably chose the wrong quote, but that was to show that Harbaugh's far more flexible than people give him credit for. "Hippo-shaped WCO" is a suggestion for the future because as this game showed, and I suspected, we're pretty dang good at passing.
It's kind of weird to roll out a pass-first offense with a TE and a FB, but that's the strength of our offense.
|1 week 4 days ago||world's most hippopotamus-shaped air raid?||
If we go in this direction then I deserve a medal of some sort:
|1 week 6 days ago||The ruling was incorrect, but the rule is stupid||
The intent of the rule is simple; if you get rid of the ball instead of just falling on it, you're trying to stop the clock so part of the penalty is to keep the clock rolling. This doesn't consider fourth down situations when the next down is played by the opposing offense, let alone the last play of the game. It basically allows a team to seal the game by committing a penalty. The decision to toss was inexplicable and I seriously doubt it was intentional with awareness of the rule. In this specific instance, the other team SHOULD get a stopped clock/untimed down as part of the penalty, because it's the opposite of what was being attempted.
If this was some kind of serious social issue I'd be all civil disobedience, but this is sports, the rules are the rules, and the refs got it wrong. But it was only the third mistake of a really bizarre situation (decision to toss, dumb rule, officiating mistake). Anyway, there's no way OK State gets out of that game looking good.
|1 week 6 days ago||They played BYE to a draw||
Isn't that in Utah or something?
|1 week 6 days ago||It explains a lot||
I used to think Meyer was a slimeball scumbag back from his days at Florida. His Bible-thumping recruiting antics, "heart attack" and subsequent acceptance of the OSU job all came off as an act. "This guy follows the rules," I thought, "but beyond that, he would resort to anything to win, no matter how scummy." And it seems I was right, at least as far as UF Meyer goes. By his own admission, that's right where he was.
Thing is, and I've been noting this publicly, I haven't seen the same sort of disciplinary debacles at OSU that I've seen at Florida. He's been pretty quick to suspend players, even ones he needs. It's not on the level of Harbaugh -- some of their players are undisciplined and others are stupid -- but overall it doesn't seem to be anywhere near as toxic as the "Perp U" he turned Florida into. And it's been going on way too long, and he's been recruiting way too successfully, to dismiss as simply keeping an eye out for public scrutiny. It's like he's been a completely different coach.
This makes a lot more sense. His culture at UF WAS toxic, but that makes perfect sense if the illness stemmed from the HC himself. OSU is a much healthier program in a mental sense, and for a long time I wondered what the hell was going on.
|1 week 6 days ago||He's not cured||
Meyer is every bit as mentally disabled as he was before the shit started going down at Florida. The difference is that he's developed coping mechanisms to deal with his disability. He can feel when the sick part of his brain is acting up, and knows how to respond.
This isn't any different from physical rehab as a concept. A family member recently developed arthritis. That's permanent. It's not some illness you can pop a pill and fix. The fix is to change your life and adapt to the cartilage degredation. Certain activities are disallowed, others OK with a brace, and personal habits change to lessen the wear & inflammation. You can't live the same way, but you can live with arthritis if you mitigate it. Mental illnesses often can't be cured, but an awareness of the illness can lead to learning ways to make sure it doesn't ruin your life.
This is a huge issue in America that I feel is coming to a head. I know some people with mental illnesses and the emphasis on medication, medical diagnoses and treatment over coping mechanisms is nothing short of shocking. I simply mentioned "coping mechanisms" to a psychiatrist who doubled a loved one's antidepressant dosage and she stared at me like I'd grown an extra head.
Let me be clear -- I'm not saying coping mechanisms REPLACE medicine or treatment. Again, with arthritis you can take a cortisone shot to relieve the pain -- but that doesn't do dick to the damage. If you're not aware that the shot is just killing the pain but the damage remains, you'll do further harm to yourself. You need both relief AND rehab, but when it comes to mental health, we prescribe the pills or do nothing at all.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Redshirt bonfire||
There are two factual statements being made here, but they're getting conflated into a dubious point.
Harbaugh loves him a meritocracy and will play freshmen IF they beat the guys in front of them. But so far those cases have been quite rare and for the most part due to a position of need -- LT and slot, in particular. Perry was basically hand-picked to fill a void when it seemed Harbaugh didn't immediately take to Hoke's slotbug guys (Norfleet, Canteen). I think the only cases of freshmen beating out real depth have been Gary and Evans, and Gary is hardly a dark horse story as the consensus #1 recruit.
As noted, Harbaugh's been pulling starters early to break in next year's team, but most of these guys were 3rd- or 4th-stringers. This isn't something we'd have seen with anything less than a 5 TD lead. Last year's OOC slate was tougher (and the team thinner) so until the injury bug hit we didn't see much of anyone past the 2-deep.
I don't think Harbaugh's meritocracy is BS, but fact remains, if you're a true freshman it's hard to make the 2-deep unless there's literally no one in front of you. All these burned redshirts isn't any indication Harbaugh's freshmen are outplaying the upperclassmen en masse. It happened because Harbaugh's trying to get the most he can out of a joke of an OOC slate set up by DB.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||Drunk drivers don't intend to harm||
when they crash through a neighborhood and kill half a dozen people. Which is why we make it illegal no matter how much they insist it was an "accident" because intent matters fuck all to a DUI victim.
"Intent" doesn't really matter when you can quantify the destruction. The point isn't merely to eliminate headhunting; it's to make head hits a Bad Idea. Again, we can probably rule different if medical technology was up to the task of rehabbing brain damage like a torn ACL. But we're not there, so we want players going out of their way to avoid head hits; the UCF player did not do so. He launched high instead of wrapping up. Even if there was no malice, he shouldn't be coached dangerous play and the penalty is what applied the disincentive.
But if there's one key difference between DUI and targeting, it's that the latter applies to a sport. There's no criminal record or incarceration or long-term consequences of a targeting penalty, so we can afford to be harsh. Whatever your views of social justice or crime prevention or whatever that are most certainly beyond the scope of this thread, the worst of a targeting penalty can only pale in comparison to brain damage so there's no ethical reason to not bring the hammer down on head hits.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||WF? 100% YES||
You can rebuild a knee. Hell, we can even replace them. They wouldn't be the same (bye-bye playing career) but you can still chase your grandkids if you pop a couple Tylenol beforehand. We WANT players to hit low, because in the case of brain damage the doctors basically tell you you're screwed.
I can't be more displeased with how targeting is called (like, we're all shocked they actually got it right for once), but the spirit of the rule is partially because technology can't save the day here. So the rule isn't about intent; it's about dissuading head hits, period. Don't try to hit the head; don't even "play aggressively' in a way that might hit the head. There's no wiggle room on the rule because there's no wiggle room on the consequences. Stay the fuck away from head hits because we can't fix them!
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Did you forget last year?||
OSU tried to MANBALL all last season and damn near lost to NIU for it.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Eh?||
Lloyd's "shitty running teams" were shitty because they ran into stacked boxes with a "we're Michigan fergadsakes" attitude. Good for a whopping 24 points against a Minny squad that finished 3-9, and that was the '97 team with Adami, Backus, Hutchinson, Jansen and Tuman. Even a bad team can stuff the run because you can't block 8 guys with 6. Lloyd-era O-lines were NFL factories and they still couldn't run because they pretty much handed opposing DCs their playbook like Cliff's Notes. I thought we went over this shit during the Hoke years.
UCF stacked the box and dared Harbaugh to MANBALL them. Thankfully, unlike a lot of people here, Harbaugh is not an idiot and didn't take the bait. Well, for the most part. He kind of went Al Borges and alternated doomed runs with wide-open passes.
It's hilarious that Harbaugh's idea of playing a vanilla offense just effective enough to blow out an overmatched UCF is a Borges-style gameplan. It's not quite so funny that people here are dissatisfied because Harbaugh didn't 27-for-27.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Pertaining to this||
The only things that really suck about New England are traffic and rent. You can do a lot worse as far as places to live go.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Bye is undefeated||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||So the stakes are||
. . . trophy wives?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||G-G-W-W||
Looks like a 4-3 front converted to Cryllic and then run through Google Translate.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Ditto||
I used to be an amateur sound tech, obviously not someone you'd want for a professional gig, but better than nothing. Unfortunately I now live in New England.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Don't you mean||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||So, if I'm reading you right||
Death occurs at 78bpm, apparently.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||It's hardly by accident||
Even if circumstances were different, very few of these games could've plausibly been a ranked-vs.-ranked matchup, based on recent program history at the time the games were likely scheduled.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Strange feeling, eh?||
Might want to lay off the Duja Ve.
At least until the tailgating starts.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||"Kind of"||
Point taken, but this year it's REALLY shitty. There's a difference between a day-old Big Mac and a day-old Big Mac dropped into a septic tank.
Last year's Week 2 featured Michigan State vs. Oregon, LSU vs. Mississippi St., Oklahoma vs. Tennessee and Boise State vs. BYU.