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- Effective identification of talent and effective recruiting
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|3 hours 50 min ago||Agree ... but if you had to||
Agree ... but if you had to guess, does he re-enter as HC, coordinator, or position coach?
|4 hours 28 min ago||Why would anyone want to||
Why would anyone want to coach the tire fire that is Oakland?
Yeah ... buckets of money. But beyond a point ($8M) is it worth the nightmare it would end up being coaching there?
Seriously ... I can't picture someone like Harbaugh selling himself into a cesspool like the Raiders. Am I missing something?
|5 hours 48 min ago||He's also had to do all the||
He's also had to do all the other AD things at the same time.
Some like dismiss CEO types as overpaid suits, but the good ones get to that level by being really good at managing complex situations well. In Hackett it looks like Michigan was blessed with a good CEO type at the right time.
|13 hours 20 min ago||Belichick is a very good||
Belichick is a very good coach ... nobody is arguing that.
But to say that what Belichick has done at NE is so clearly superior to what Saban has done at Alabama isn't necessarily a solid argument. Saban loses a chunk of his roster each year, including QB at times. He has to constantly rebuild. And yet he wins. In a very tough conference.
Belichick is a master at adapting to things and getting the most out of his available talent. But there's been one constant in all of it -- Tom Brady. That is a simple fact. Saying that does not diminish Belichick's abilities ... but it does point to a reality that makes the NFL>College argument a little more difficult to make.
|13 hours 28 min ago||Clearly success is the||
Clearly success is the premise to this discussion. That's why I qualified my statement with "provided one achieves the success." My use of the Lions coach was to illustrate that point. No success = no fame. My use of the Cowboys coach was an illustration of a different sort -- they're relatively successful this year (11-4) and yet I doubt many know who the coach is. The illustration there was that NFL does not necessarily equate to fame.
The original post was about whether success in the college ranks can be thought of on par with success in the NFL. It's not as cut-and-dry as you want to make it out to be.
Let's make it apples-to-apples -- Saban vs. Belichick. Both are excellent coaches. There's a good many people who look at what Saban has done at Alabama and marvel. College rosters can change radically year to year, where a pro team's roster can stay relative stable for a period of time.
Again, getting back to the main point -- is college coaching clearly inferior to pro coaching? It's not as obvious an answer as you want to make it.
|13 hours 57 min ago||It's the condescending tone||
It's the condescending tone of your post that's creating the negative votes.
The OP's question is not as obviously stupid as you want to suggest. Whether it warrants a separate thread (MGrowOld's point) is another matter. But the OP's original discussion point about NFL vs. College coaching prestige is an interesting one.
Yes, the NFL is the pinnacle of the sport. But the playoff structure for college -- which will soon go to 8 -- is going to create a great deal of honor and prestige at that level as well. Now the question is this: do the lines eventually cross? Does the NFL elevate to new heights, and if so how and why? Will the college playoff be what kills the golden goose?
I would guess right now more people know who the coach of Alabama is than know who the coach of the Cowboys is. If fame is the objective, then the college ranks can give that ... provided one achieves the success. But that's true in the NFL as well. When was the last time anyone spoke in hushed tones about the Detroit Lions coach?
|15 hours 33 min ago||And OL ...||
And an OL coach that creates 5 human implementations of this:
|16 hours 3 min ago||Purely a timing thing ... a||
Purely a timing thing ... a "race condition" between me and mgobleu.
(You are correct -- once replied to a post can no longer be edited)
|16 hours 48 min ago||My bad ... still relatively||
My bad ... still relatively early here in Tucson and my coffee has not yet fully kicked in. See below for repost of my original. You're not crazy ... I may be, but you're not.
|16 hours 52 min ago||I originally posbanged the||
I originally posbanged the use of the word "sidled," then I went back in and edited when I (mistakenly) thought I'd put the reply in the wrong place. I guess what I got for Christmas was a case of the idiots.
dictionary.com has second meaning for "sidled" -- "to edge along furtively." I like how that perfectly describes going to work the day after Christmas.
|16 hours 55 min ago||Football||
A few football games today ... all dishes from yesterday cleaned up. +1
|1 day 10 hours ago||I stream many of the games||
|1 day 10 hours ago||I stream many of the games||
I stream many of the games since I don't have Big 10 Network. I use the sites listed above. Works okay most of the time. Adblock is required because I found the sites are really ad-intense. Check them out ... test other sports and see how it works. Good luck and good watching in the fall!
|2 days 10 hours ago||Random LSU fans||
I get worse that that from random LSU fans without even talking about LSU.
That made me laugh out loud. :-)
|2 days 12 hours ago||It's happening! I've now||
It's happening! I've now heard it from two people (M-Dog and you)!
|2 days 14 hours ago||Tattoo||
Nah ... we simply make that mean "Oh how I love Michigan so much more!" :-)
Not sure what to do with the Buckeye leaf ...
|2 days 14 hours ago||>> what was Barrett's||
>> what was Barrett's injury?
Broken ankle. Don't know how much hardware they had to put in there to fix it.
|3 days 17 hours ago||Agree this seems like a good||
Agree this seems like a good fit and first-stop for Narduzzi in the HC role.
There's a part of me that wishes the B1G had chosen Pitt/WVU rather than MD/Rutgers to expand. It would have been a little more geographically compact, it would have preserved the "Backyard Brawl," and it might have meant a renewal of Pitt/PSU.
But alas ...
|4 days 12 hours ago||My chili recipe is something||
My chili recipe is something I got out of some "Michigan Living" magazine some 25 years ago. It was titled, "Michigan Bell Chili" ... not sure if the "Bell" refers to the bell pepper that's in it or the old phone company.
At any rate, the kicker is I use London Broil ... when that really cooks down it becomes fork tender. I then pull the chunks of London Broil out and fork-shred it down and then put it back in the chili.
Today I cooked it in a pressure cooker. I find any soup or stew is better when pressure cooked ... there's something about the pressure that really gets herbs/spices to open up.
Making the chili is as much fun as eating it.
|4 days 14 hours ago||It's the Heisenberg||
It's the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to sports -- the closer we look at this, the less certain anything is.
I'm going to go make some chili ...
|6 days 10 hours ago||When the doors opened, two||
When the doors opened, two tumbleweeds blew in
Once when I was on I-10 near Phoenix on my motorcycle a tumbleweed blew right in my path ... smashed right into the front of my motorcycle. Scared the hell out of me.
Know why I didn't crash?
|1 week 12 hours ago||I spit up water on my||
I spit up water on my keyboard over that. Bravo! :-)
|1 week 2 days ago||Not ridiculous at all ...||
Not ridiculous at all ... just leading edge.
This is the new world of top-tier college football. Within a few years there'll be a half dozen other coaches pulling similar amounts.
The arms-race is on. Bring it.
|1 week 2 days ago||Make things even better||
Make things even better --
|1 week 2 days ago||Expectations||
I've been thinking about the expecations thing for the last few days.
I have very little doubt Harbaugh will bring an immediate renewal of focus and intensity to the football program.
Consistent 9+ win seasons is the floor for a program like Michigan. I think Harbaugh can achieve that.
The issue is getting to the next level -- which is where Urban Meyer is, which is where Nick Saban is. That takes:
As I look at that list, I'm struck by how Hoke (sadly) failed at #2 and #3. Meyer and Saban seem to hit on all cylinders. Harbaugh's time at Stanford suggests he's capable of all three cylinders firing as well.
|1 week 3 days ago||Amen! I too wear the pleated||
Amen! I too wear the pleated pants on occasion.
I'm 6' and run 175. And I'm 55 years old.
The only way a 55 year old man can look good in clothes meant for a 25 year old is if the man is really fit. I'm talking really fit. Then he can maybe pull it off. Otherwise, he looks like a 55 year old man trying to look like a 25 year old.
Plus, pleated pants provide a little more room, which means comfort. And at age 55 I have learned that comfort trumps style every single time.
|1 week 6 days ago||The day here in Tucson dawned||
The day here in Tucson dawned ominous -- dark clouds, then heavy rains.
It's clear now ... just as there'll be better days for Michigan's BBall team as the season progresses.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Watching TCU ISU right now.||
Watching TCU ISU right now. Mood here in Tucson a bit somber after last night's game. My wife's annual Christmas cookie exchange is today. I rescue the husbands who attend by having the games on. The ladies gather on one side of the room, while the guys huddle around the TV.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I think it's pretty tough to||
I think it's pretty tough to leave the undefeated defending champions out
I hear you ... but I think there's sentiment in the committee to cast a wary eye at FSU for their play this year. In previous years an undefeated FSU would be ranked #1, but with this year's mechanism they're #3.
A FSU loss to GT will push them out of the playoffs ... unless a lot of other losses take place.
A FSU win keeps them in the playoffs ... unless the win is just horrible. I'm not talking close. I'm talking GT trying their best to hand the game to FSU, and FSU acting like they don't want to win. It's unlikely ... a win by FSU pretty much assures they're in the playoff of 4.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||There's some truth to this.||
There's some truth to this. Ohio State has not been invincible. Michigan could have won in 2012 - 2014 with better coaching and better game management. If we were looking at Urban Meyer three years in with two or three losses to Michigan, the Urban Meyer narrative would definitely be different.
Still, that said, he's a really good coach. That can't be denied. Is he the greatest coach of all time? No.