that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
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|8 hours 29 min ago||Wow. Sam and Ira just don't get it.||
Just don't get it about what?
|1 day 12 hours ago||Your estimation of Lloyd doesn't match my experience with him.||
Thanks for the insight, and I'm glad to have the correction, as it were.
I chatted up Lloyd at one of his car washes about a decade ago, and he was extremely personable and willing to talk to a random nobody like me. I've never understood the bile that a portion of the Michigan fanbase has expressed toward him—he might have his faults, but his record is damn good in the context of Michigan football history.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Very interesting topic||
It doesn't matter whether you're talking about a small business, non-profit institution, or a football team—if the head guy or woman is in charge long enough, their personality will suffuse and define the organization.
In college football, I think there are four distinct personality types that characterize most coaches. All coaches display mixtures of these traits, but each coach has a dominant characteristic.
A. Demanding taskmaster—aggressive, military-style, devoted to extremely rigorous work regimen, details and execution, but not necessarily innovators; frequently an asshole; doesn't give a shit if you like them, but demands that you respect them. Knows exactly who they are and what they want, and will not let anybody stand in their way; generally places supreme importance on a stout, aggressive defense; frequently hired to revive foundering program; Woody Hayes, Fielding Yost, Bear Bryant, Darrel Royal, Tom Coughlin (coached at BC), Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Barry Alvarez, Mark Dantonio
B. Innovator—thinking, cerebral, or creative in developing offensive or, less-frequently, defensive schemes; doesn't give a shit if you like them, but demands that you be a thinker too. Does not tolerate dullards or the mistake-prone. Generally an outside hire; Fritz Crisler, early RR, Urban Meyer, Mike Leach, Brian Kelly, Chip Kelly, Paul Brown, early Steve Spurrier, early Bob Stoops, Bill Walsh, Emory Bellard; (maybe even Frank Beamer if you include special teams); sometimes reputation for genius is entirely undeserved (Charlie Weis) or is at best ill-suited to the college game
C. Program manager—Frequent inside hires as replacement for iconic coaches; bureaucratic stewardship; generally bland, unassuming public demeanor in contrast to predecessors; always says "the right things" in public; not generally innovators but can be very successful in the right conditions and with good instincts in choosing assistants; very attentive to program reputation and tradition; normally very loyal to assistants and players; Tom Osborne, Frank Solich, Earle Bruce, Fred Akers, Kirk Ferentz, Bret Bielema, Bob Davie, John Robinson
D. Player's coach—Prizes relationships with players and enjoys being seen as one of them; frequently inspirational, sometimes innovative, strong recruiter; occasionally tolerant if not encouraging of player misbehavior on and off the field; Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, Les Miles
Bo Schembechler's legendarily fiery, aggressive and combative personality (Bo could be a real dick if you weren't on his side) was coupled with extremely high standards for production and a tremendous grasp of fundamental details, and the result was what came to define Michigan football for the vast majority of us growing up. Bo was major part A
Gary Moeller was fundamentally different in personality from Bo (at least outwardly) but he was a thinking offensive innovator who put together some high-powered offenses that were among the nation's best, and got a Heisman for one his guys in the bargain. Combination of B and C.
Lloyd Carr was thoughtful, reflective, and cautious—frequently maddeningly so—but he was extremely intense nonetheless, and when his back was to the wall, was able to throw his natural caution to the wind and let the dogs out, so to speak. That's why most of the great comebacks in Michigan football history happened under his watch, and also why he was able to break with tradition and give a significant offensive role to his best defensive player, leading to another Heisman and a national title. Extremely devoted to the tradition and reputation of Michigan. Strong part C
RR was an offensive innovator with much of the same fire and intensity as Bo, but unfortunately he almost completely lacked Bo's ability to discern and hire great assistant coaches, especially on the defensive side. That was crippling, since RR also played surprisingly little role in the defensive side of the game himself, another huge contrast to Bo. Combination of B and A
Which brings us to Hoke in terms of football personality. Fiery, aggressive, or combative demanding asshole taskmaster chewing players or assistants out either in practice or on the sidelines? Nope. Cerebral offensive or defensive innovator whose ideas and theories are copied by other coaches? Nope.
Bland, unassuming public demeanor, always saying "the right things" in public, very attentive to program reputation and tradition, very loyal to assistants and players? Bingo.
I think Hoke is a mixture of heavy C with the best elements of D. The big question is whether Hoke is able to assemble a top-notch staff. If he can, he can be very successful. If he doesn't, he won't last.
There are some MGoBloggers who have played for Michigan, and I'd be curious if my view of Bo, Mo, Lloyd, RR, and Hoke are at all accurate. I'll re-emphasize that I think most if not all coaches have a variety of traits, but the above is attempt to discern dominant ones.
|1 day 21 hours ago||This is the clincher for me||
Whatever he does wearing a winged helmet is gravy. What we're getting is somebody who's going to be in the position to make a real difference down the road.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Chewing through metal takes a tenacity unknown to mankind||
not to mention chewing through metal takes fangs unknown to mankind.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Sounds like he's going to stay, which is smart||
but the fact that he apparently still hasn't nailed down the decision yet just shows how fucking nuts the whole college/NBA situation is. That anybody could think for even five seconds that after spending most of the year hurt he should declare for the draft is insane beyond belief.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Salt is a spice, not a condiment.||
Not the way I use it.
|2 days 6 hours ago||I still am kind of ashamed at the loss of control||
I don't see why—it's not like you peed in the middle of the Brown Jug. You had the self-control to wait until you got into the alley.
You did pull your zipper down, right?
|2 days 7 hours ago||I've got several||
While Bo was coach, I bet against us in many of his Rose Bowls. Never lost a bet.
One of my closest friends is a Domer.
My girlfriend was so bored at the OSU game in 1977 that she took out a book and started reading. I still married her.
I stopped watching the 2004 game against MSU before Braylonfest happened.
And, most embarrassingly, I actually posted a comment here—before he even played a single snap for Michigan—that Sam McGuffie was going to be in solid Heisman contention by the time he was a junior. That's when I learned my lesson about watching high school highlight videos.
|2 days 7 hours ago||"It seems like this guy is being seriously stereotyped"||
Please describe exactly how a hunch that he's going to pick Kentucky is "stereotyping" him, and in what way.
As you say yourself:
"At the same time, while Kentucky does not have the same academic pedigree, they clearly have a strong track record recently of NBA draft picks."
I think this will be a major if not deciding factor, so if you're criticizing me for thinking he will pick Kentucky, aren't you criticizing yourself, too?
If I'm wrong and he picks Cal, good for him. Maybe he'll be more likely to stay in school longer there.
|2 days 9 hours ago||I believe in the basics||
Salt, followed closely by fresh ground black pepper.
|2 days 9 hours ago||In other words||
He's Lexington-bound. Not that it's surprising—I don't think Beilein's going to be very successful getting the presumptive one-and-dones out of high school. Which is OK by me if that's the way it plays out. Getting McGary was a huge recruiting coup, and I don't know if Mitch was a one-and-doner coming out of HS anyhow.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Watch these two videos of the 1957 NFL season carefully||
with particular attention to exactly how the tackling is done. The virtual absence of the head-leading "kill shots" is remarkable in contrast to today's game.
I'm not saying that it wasn't still a rough and physical game, and surely there were concussions happening with some regularity. However, the sheer violence involving the head that is celebrated today is largely absent.
|3 days 11 min ago||No contest for me||
1965 Shelby Cobra 427
|3 days 4 hours ago||Wine-fueled escapades of mgobrewmom & myself in my hot tub||
But are you sluggish with goat meat?
|3 days 12 hours ago||I'd vote for Smokey||
but you could also go with Leviticus Spankweasel.
|3 days 20 hours ago||2017 should see dominance in recruiting||
Only if there's dominance in actual football.
|3 days 20 hours ago||This is not surprising in the least||
If Rabb was from Michigan or Ohio or Illinois it would be puzzling or maybe even concerning that he turned down Beilein for Cal, but given the proximity of Berkeley to Oakland this should have been expected.
|5 days 2 hours ago||funny, iconic character rather than a serious analyst||
Same here. Never took him seriously, like Corso. Those guys are strictly about entertainment, not real analysis.
Go enjoy your grandchildren, Lou.
|5 days 2 hours ago||1984 milestones to keep track of||
9-0; 16-1; 26-4; 35-5
This year's team doesn't have the relief pitching that the '84 team did, but the offense is just as good, and the starters are probably superior overall on this squad, esp. if Verlander can return to anything resembling his former form.
|5 days 3 hours ago||I earned their respect, offered zero excuses, and was in charge.||
This sounds familiar... do you have a large real estate empire in Ann Arbor?
|5 days 3 hours ago||Criticizing JH for not mentioning a former coach is ridiculous||
I used a word that apparently most of you aren't familiar with. Among other things, being gracious is acknowledging people when you don't have to. It's the right thing to do in many situations. Given the stature that Harbaugh has, nobody would have criticized him if he simply mentioned RR instead of pointedly ignoring only him out of the last 46 years of Michigan coaches. People keep talking about Harbaugh uniting the alumni players, but there are a few dozen that RR recruited who are now alumni players too.
Whatever—in the long run what JH said or didn't say at his opening presser doesn't matter with respect to his eventual success here, and whether or not a coach does something I like or not is irrelevant.
|5 days 13 hours ago||JH referred to Brady Hoke as "a friend" and never mentioned RR||
Certainly it was right and proper for JH to single out Hoke as a friend because Brady has a long-standing relationship with the Harbaughs, but pointedly ignoring RR was an unnecessary cheap shot. I would have been far more impressed if Harbaugh had been gracious enough to mention RR in a brief, positive comment.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Australians are the best||
Well she certainly is. Holy crap.
|5 days 13 hours ago||that lame ass situational spring game.||
No worse than a fifty-minute punting exhibition.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Tucson is much better for RR than A2||
He can let his inner goof shine brightly out there and they don't mind because they don't have the weight of all that "tradition" on their shoulders.
But let's not fool ourselves—if his record at AZ was the same as it was at Michigan, the Wildcat fans wouldn't be much happier than they were here. He was reasonably successful right out of the gate at AZ, and that made a huge difference.
If RR had been 7-5 his first season here, the trajectory from that point might have been very different. If nothing else, he would have had no reason to sack Schafer and replace him with GERG, a move which ensured his doom in Ann Arbor.
|6 days 27 min ago||It's not often I get to correct WD||
but It's Jean-Agnus.
|6 days 32 min ago||We are watching a machine at work here||
trouble is, the machine is sputtering blue smoke and keeps stalling.
If they play against Tampa the way they finished the season, the Wings will all be out on the golf course within 10 days.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Nebraska had more people than a max MSU crowd||
You're half right—wikipedia lists the Sparty official capacity as 75,005, but then sez the record crowd at Spartan Stadium is 80, 401.
|6 days 9 hours ago||"Since your a MSU fan,"||
So in other words, you're admitting that you're (there's that word again) the kind of juvenile, semi-literate spankweasel who thinks that recognizing an opposing coach's abilities and record makes you his "fan."