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|7 hours 31 min ago||Ft. Brady?|
|1 day 2 hours ago||Awww did I upset a Staee troll||
WolvinLA2 is the furthest thing from a troll of any kind, let alone an MSU troll. All they were asking was what this new commit has to do with MSU and Izzo.
|1 day 3 hours ago||There is a frequent assertion here that improved quality of play||
will cure the attendance issues, but the historical record would suggest it's not that simple.
The statistical record of game attendance can be found here, and this link is to 1969:
Bo got here in '69, and in spite of the obvious improvement in the team, average attendance was only 71K. The only crowd over 100K was OSU.
In '70, even after the magical '69 season, average attendance was still only 79K. The only 100K crowd was MSU. Even though we were undefeated and ranked #5 in the country, our last home game (Iowa) drew a paltry crowd of 66K.
In '71, we went through the season undefeated, but still only averaged 80K. The only 100K+ crowd was OSU. Going into the Nov. 6 game with Iowa we were ranked #3, but only drew 72K.
The '72 and '73 seasons continued the trend of gradually rising average attendance, but still only one game—either MSU or OSU—was over 100K, and attendance in late season games when UM was undefeated and ranked in the top 5 was still substantially below 100K.
'74 was the first season in which we had two games over 100K, but still only drew 88K for the game against Purdue in November when we were undefeated and ranked #3 in the country.
'75 was the year we began the consecutive streak of crowds over 100K, but we still had three games under 100K.
The fact that it took six seasons of elite on-the-field performance to get attendance to exceed 100K on a weekly basis would indicate that the relationship between attendance and performance is not as simple as wins and losses.
Don Canham had to sell the daylights out of Michigan football to get attendance up, and he wasn't above using a bit of chicanery to goose attendance numbers, which is partially what Band Day was about—he invited high school bands from all over the state to perform, and he sat all those band members in the stands to help fill the seats and increase the official attendance.
However, I'm pretty sure that Canham did not raise ticket prices dramatically in those early years, regardless of how well Bo was doing, and even after 1975, ticket prices were reasonably stable year-to-year.
|1 day 3 hours ago||So he's trying both at the same time.||
I should have mentioned that there is a fourth option that sales & marketing numbskulls normally think is a sound solution to a supply/demand imbalance: Sell it harder! Advertising! Email blasts! Promotional gimmicks! Branding!
All this is unlikely to move the needle much if there are basic problems with price or quality, but the marketing folks are gonna do what they do regardless.
|1 day 4 hours ago||the spike has been a bit rapid.||
Great info, Yostal. It'd be interesting to see the same breakdown with regular ticket-holders. I suspect the price spike has been even more pronounced.
|1 day 6 hours ago||If he was playing in Boston or NY or LA||
the hype would be off the charts, but it's possible that the relative anonymity of playing in SLC might provide some advantages in terms of fewer distractions and fewer people blowing smoke up his ass, which no rookie ever benefits from.
|1 day 8 hours ago||I hope DG isn't as sensitive about this as some of our fans||
Brady didn't say anything that Bo Schembechler wouldn't have said too, along with a million other head coaches. And after a 7-6 season, there's little reason for him to declare anybody a pre-emptive starter four months from the start of fall camp.
With respect to what Shane showed in the bowl game, I would expect that most kids with real talent are going to make noticeable strides between their first season and their second spring camp.
Ultimately, the angst this is revealing is a function of going 8-5 and 7-6. If we'd gone 10-2 and 11-1 with victories over OSU and MSU in the last two years, Hoke's statements wouldn't be subject to this level of obsessive interpretation. It wasn't too long ago that he was said to "poop gold" around here.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Expanding the student section before 2011: epic fail||
Do you know how much it was expanded?
It seems to me that the student attendance issues are are at least partially explained by an imbalance of supply and demand. If you have people buying tickets but not showing up, then they don't really demand the product. And now it appears we're not even getting enough students to buy the tickets in the first place.
The proper solution last season was obvious and simple: cut back the size of the student section. It wouldn't have required the disastrous GA seating clusterfuck; we could have maintained the existing policies on seat allocation and simply pruned back the supply of student tickets to more closely match the numbers of students who actually want to be at the game badly enough to show up at kickoff.
This may not solve or address all of the issues relating to game day experience, but business fundamentals aren't complicated. If you have more product than willing customers, you have three options: 1. Reduce the price; 2. Improve/enhance the quality (in this case scheduling); 3. Reduce the supply. So far, the Athletic Department has done none of these.
|2 days 2 hours ago||even more people that will gladly become new season tix holders||
For decades it's been an unquestioned article of faith among many UM fans that the demand for season tickets is literally inexhaustible, and that there was no price point that would constrain demand. I think this season is going to be a significant test of that view.
|2 days 2 hours ago||the 100,000 attendance streak would be broken this year.||
We're very possibly at the point where the announcement of crowds in excess of 100K will have all the reality and accuracy of the new Soviet Five-Year Plan that Brezhnev announced in 1973.
|2 days 3 hours ago||You don't really think that seat will go unsold, do you?||
How much money would you be willing to gamble that there aren't similar problems in getting non-students to renew?
|2 days 4 hours ago||I'm skeptical about this new location||
The empty Korean place on William and Thompson would have been ideal location-wise. I doubt very many students are going to make the trek down to Main St. in normal circumstances.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Courtesy of Wolverine Historian, here's another game video||
complete with laughable fake soundtrack added by somebody.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Don't ask me why.||
You're a masochist, that's why. Just make sure you know the safe word if the torture gets too intense.
|2 days 19 hours ago||a three man team of Bob Ufer, Ernie Harwell, and Vin Scully||
Ernie and Vin wouldn't get a word in edgewise with Ufer in the booth.
|2 days 19 hours ago||"Brandstater on play-by-lay"||
So Brandy announces porn too?
|2 days 19 hours ago||Is a UM offer so blah now||
That's what five disappointing seasons out of the last six and no conference championships over the past decade will do for you.
|3 days 4 hours ago||OP has to be fucking kidding me||
I'm not even a soccer fan, and I've seen at least twenty more impressive goals over the years.
|3 days 4 hours ago||So much for the Karsch replacing Beckmann idea||
This is not a long-term thing... Brandstatter is 63 and Dierdorf is 64.
I'm not saying that Karsch should automatically be the guy, but before long UM is going to need some fresh blood up in the booth.
We're certain to get a re-hash of every Bo story we've ever heard.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Brandon, question for you||
Do you think that coaching staffs—whether Michigan or anybody else—sometimes make an offer to somebody to essentially "plant the flag" in a particular area or specific high school with an eye to future recruiting?
|3 days 21 hours ago||Put one on a corn dog||
down in Baton Rouge.
|3 days 21 hours ago||Put one on a Michigan O-lineman||
|3 days 21 hours ago||It has to feel like home, like a down-south type of hospitality.||
which translates to 1 – Let’s see if he visits before we talk.
A2 is a great place, but down-south type of hospitality it ain't.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Freddy Canteen as if he had 40 receptions last year||
I don't think we're really going to know what he can do until he gets cut in half after catching a ball over the middle. If he can take the hit and still be effective on the next ball thrown to him, he'll do great.
|4 days 2 hours ago||but timing on when/how to come off is the difficult part||
Which makes what Fritz Crisler was able to achieve with the Mad Magicians in 1947 all that more remarkable. What his players were forced to master was choreography on the football field combined with sleight-of-hand that's still hard to follow if you watch the old grainy films.
So, how many hours of practice did Crisler have available to get his players to achieve such a high level of blocking proficiency?
|4 days 4 hours ago||Greg Robinson remembered how to coach defense at Texas this year||
Ehh, I'm not so convinced that Robinson was a miracle worker. TX still gave up large amounts of yardage to Iowa State, WVU, Okie State, and Baylor.
Regardless, I've been bothered myself by possibility you've been mentioning: that Funk = Gibson. One thing the firing of Borges and hire of Nuss has done is remove whatever cover Al gave the OL coaching: if the line struggles mightily again this season, then the issues go beyond play-calling and reach into OL coaching, and maybe even S&C.
|4 days 4 hours ago||So he de-committed from committing?||
|4 days 5 hours ago||Must be nice to have bye weeks before both Michigan and OSU.||
How much does PSU lose from last year?
The last UM coach to beat PSU was Lloyd. Seems like a million years ago.
|4 days 5 hours ago||Not every recruit cares about academics as much as others,||
The number of elite-level recruits who truly care about academics to the extent that what Michigan has to offer is the deciding factor is much, much smaller than most Michigan fans would like to believe.
In other words, the vast majority of elite recruits come to college to get into the NFL, and the academic difference between Michigan and, say, Clemson or FSU or LSU is of little real significance.
|4 days 18 hours ago||I propose a Corn Dog Bowl||
The cheerleaders have a corn dog swallowing contest at half-time, and spectators are encouraged to join in the fun up in the stands.