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|52 min 35 sec ago||on android app||
sorry no paragraphs. with that would get fixed.
|53 min 19 sec ago||Yeah||
if he comes I'm under zero assumption that he's retiring here. None. If he reaches the mountain top at UM, he would then feel like he's done his duty and go NFL for that ring. As noted, it may just be getting us back to a national contender again! If he comes & it's a deal longer than 6 years, I'd guarantee he doesn't coach it out. I'd be perfectly happy with him genuinely righting the ship & leaving it in the hands of a very good replacement coach with a solid foundation. If (big IF) we get him we can't expect him to be a lifer here. I'd consider anything past 4 years "bonus time" if he's kicking ass. That said, I do bring up the seemingly impossible: CFB is almost all spread and moving to the hyper spreads. Jim's philosophy is pounding you into submission. He's siren he can move a bit toward speed with Kap but that's still a power run team. Can that offense keep up with the hyper spreads? They score so fast that you can't make a mistake running heavy power & your defense has to be monstrous. I recall one year he was up on Oregon by 21-24 early. Luck & co just killing them. The final score was like 56-27 or something, Oregon. I may be crazy but I refuse to assume he's going to be what we all want/think. Your right in that I think he'll immediately get over on the B1G outside of osu/msu. By year 3 I think msu is not a big concern but I think osu remains tough. At that point I see it being a 50/50 game again. I'll take that! ha. I think he's a prototype CFB coach in the mind of an NFL coach. It's what makes him great at the CFB level but could also hold him back if he refuses to adapt & keep playing NFL ball in CFB. I hope we get a chance to see!
|1 hour 17 min ago||So, in regard to CC 2011, I've now heard/seen||
1) We're going after him but he's likely going to the NFL. 2) An alum "large donor" type email in individuals name watermarked pic/pdf form (to know who copied it if it leaked out I guess?) from my old boss that said we offered Jim $7M a year along with other fallback candidates...and asking for donations ha. 3) Two days later Brandon almost laughingly states in a presser that he is confident Jim "is going to the NFL, wants to go to the NFL". All but says we're not getting Jim 4) We were taking to Miles. 5) Hoke is hired. 6) We NEVER even negotiated with Jim or Les in 2011, let alone offered the job or specifics of an offer like $7M a year 7) Jim briefly accepted the UM job in 2011. I don't think anyone knows anything about 2011. I think all 4 parties all have different emotions regarding that "search" but the common theme is probably confusion. Again, my old boss called me in to show me a UM header, watermarked email "note/pdf" type document sent to him from a UM email address saying we offered $7M to Jim. Then I hear he was never given anything more than a shitty hello, at best. This is total B.S. or everyone involved has their own version of events lol. ffs.....
|3 hours 22 min ago||OnApp.jpg||
if hard to read, my bad. Yet, they asked and I doubt there is a more detailed answer/history in the thread. Maybe I didn't add enough Harb?
|3 hours 49 min ago||Sex/player aside||
I truly feel sorry for those that don't "get" soccer/futbol/non-American football. It's truly a great game. People complain about flopping and while it does happen, have you seen the NBA? The NFL, where WRs are taught to get up after every incompletion calling for a flag? The NFL where kickers/punters are taught to somersault to the ground in agony if a defender comes within an inch of their foot? Flopping in the NFL is just as bad as soccer and, IMO, trends to lead to more game changing penalties. Soccer refs are taught to know when it's legit & ignore or to, at most, yellow card the guy. Flagrant flops rarely lead to a red, etc. In the NFL, if that punter almost gets blocked and he sells that tap contact hard enough it's 15 yards and the ball back. That's HUGE! It's changed games I can think of off the top of my head by a dozen right now. Phantom PI calls! Tell Miami (YTM) that a WR that wasn't touched, dropped the ball (!) & came up crying for a flag is better than nothing or a free kick from midfield in soccer. Flopping in soccer needs toned down, I agree. I agree to the point that I'd penalize it when obvious. Yet, it happens in the very sports soccer haters love where it has FAR WORSE consequences if believed. I think top end soccer (European in club, add South American in national) is great. You have to be physically fit to an insane degree, YOU CAN'T USE YOUR HANDS (!) & goal chances are as exciting as an NFL TD, let alone goals. I've excitedly watched a 0-0 match many times. I've also seen 5+ goal games that were worse than a 2-1 match. It's a beautiful game, IMO. I hope the MLS grows, expands, gets young talent over retirement aged historical European stars & is taken seriously one day.
|4 hours 12 min ago||If be more curious/concerned||
to see how much of that side at msu is PN or MD. Mark is a good HC and he's fielded good defenses at other jobs but with more talent at osu he had some worse defenses there then some he's had at msu. I want to know if Pat stayed so long because he knows he's just a puppet.
|4 hours 16 min ago||Yeah||
his "system" isn't that magical. Hold WRs, jump the snap, hands into facemasks of OL, play so physical that the refs are used to it and don't call penalties others would get and test the seams. Oh, and steroids. The Bullough regimen.
|4 hours 20 min ago||this||
plus msu would just use it as a recruiting tool. He'd never take the job but even if he left to Pitt & we offered MD would drill that to kids. If Pat stayed? Forget it. Don't offer guys that would never come out of real or indoctrinated hatred. It will be used against you when they record him laughingly turning it down.
|4 hours 25 min ago||Fake||
health problems. Sabanitis. Hopefully it returns and he decides to spend time with family (AKA take an ESPN job where he's never home) until another gimme job opens up.
|4 hours 31 min ago||I might be able to||
and if so I'd bring my Brother. He's currently a student at UM and is a chessmaster, ha! He was in a non-school sanctioned league in HS and they crushed everyone. When he plays Chessmaster (or other great chess programs) on PC, he is crazy good. He's good but can explain the game very easily to people that aren't hip to the rules, names, lingo, strategy, etc. /VSmith=Pound4Pound the toughest player at UM the last 20 yrs.
|4 hours 42 min ago||This||
before the trade can be finalized a new contract has to be agreed to & either signed our turned into the NFL office for future league enforcement. So, he essentially says where he goes in a trade. If Atlanta is offering three 1st rounders but Jim doesn't want to go to Atlanta, tough titty, SF. If Carolina offers a scout team punter with a 7th rounder & it's the only offer of those proposed Jim would consider, that's what SF gets. EVEN STILL, once Jim is informed he can merely not sign a new deal making it void should he not really want it. Finally, let me repeat this: THERE IS ZERO PENALTY OF ANY KIND FOR JIM IF HE RESIGNS TO TAKE AN NCAA JOB. The only "UM paying SF the buyout" comes from the hypothetical offer that we'd give SF $5MM to encourage them to simply fire him instead of shop him. That said, Jim can walk out the door for AA a week ago. It's why I still question his intentions unless he's finishing this year merely out of nobility & honor (because it's known that SF is going to dump him anyway so you might as well call this his last contract year). I think he's just not a quitter. If they don't fire him or work something out with UM, they'll try to trade him. If Jim isn't our HC by Jan 2nd, his heart isn't in AA and he's not our HC. I think we'll know sooner as CFB can't keep its mouth shut and things like Ross getting into Miami talks, etc. If not verbal, we'll know either way by "Dead Tuesday", IMO.
|5 hours 10 min ago||That's my thought||
the contract length is irrelevant because if he turns us around, he has a great replacement & he wins a NC before his 6-8 year deal is up he's going back to the NFL anyway. Heck, if he has made the playoffs a couple times by year 4-5, he's likely gone. Point being, he's not going to retire at Michigan if he comes but we all have to be ok with that if he leaves us on solid ground. Coming back would let him use a chunk of his 50's to stop the spinning going on in Bo's grave right now. One the guy feels like he's done what he may feel was a coaching obligation in righting the Michigan ship, he's back to the NFL. I just posed this last thought in a thread made about a week ago called "The effect on our health". I posed the possibility of hiring Harbaugh but then asked: What if he failed? What if we end year 4 and we're a Wisconsin level team? Not bad by any means but not what we all expect. What then? I want him but not if it's only to get us not sucking again and then bolt as soon as we're UW level. I'm ok with him leaving if he's truly turned us back into a national power! I'm saying to expect that if it happens. I just don't want 4 & out if we're just a "good" team. Either way, I think it's worth it for him, us and flat out logical. The NFL will always be there and he's coaching into his 80s lol. We need YOUNG, CRAZY ENERGY Jim right now! I just don't think he'd come here to retire but more "a mission from Bo". Once complete, he wants a Super Bowl ring. Take the money now as length is irrelevant, IMO. He'll get a no buyout clause if he demands it. At worst it'd kick in after year 4. Take the money & dream fir a bit and then leave us on solid ground. That's all we should expect and be happy to get if he comes.
|5 hours 30 min ago||You may be a spy troll, Bagheera||
but I agree 100%. If you aren't on the two deep he could give a shit less about you unless you're a very promising & young talent. Any underclassmen not digging the two deep are dead to that guy, looking for the first recruit to replace him because...didn't the older player stub his toe as a Freshman? Yup, I think so. MEDICAL'd faster than you can say "Saban is borderline evil in the literal sense".
|1 day 1 hour ago||Yes||
It's still 2014. There is only one way the sports gods can right such a terrible & comically predictable, painfully atrocious year: hugahbar
|1 day 2 hours ago||Hoke||
definitely wanted to keep Borges! Brandon just wanted to keep Hoke as badly and he had to scapegoat someone for the alums, donors, fans. It couldn't be total incompetence, it was that one guy that was either brilliant or terrible sounding on the day. It was the guy that didn't leave the building let alone recruit on the road. It was the arrogant, Uncle Fester looking guy. Yeah, that's it. Problem solved, guys. The one thing it's not is a total lack of competence, awareness & accountability from the top. IMO, no way Brandon fires Hoke after this year if it played out the same in every way but the scandals & growing fan hatred of stadium experience outside of the game. A quiet 5 wins & he's back with maybe another scapegoat or two. Players remain coached by a buddy that never holds their lack of effort to account, recruits largely stay on but most because he's that kind of HC, etc. Finally, that is the strangest thing because I'd seen SDSU under Hoke and they were not soft & entitled. Same for BSU. Good or not, they weren't soft. I think Hoke let what he thought Michigan values stood for influence his style here. A CEO HC can work but not when you coddle them and are completely in a "mentor before HC" mentality.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Truly||
I mean, the route was open but the ball want there in time or remotely accurate. Even a healthy Gardner has more of a shotput lop motion/throw but he can zip it at times. He had to drill that in there on a broken foot (body, let's be real). If healthy I can't help but think it's a stack rollout with roll side options, run option & a bsckside slip option. If healthy he may have been able to run & dive it across? Yet, the play was good. The play was wide open (especially) for a 6 yard throw. It was just late and really wide to Devin's left, Dileo's right shoulder side. Yet, we make that play (assuming they don't score with the 25ish seconds left, as they could have) and we feel a whole lot better about that year. A year where we didn't think it could get worse.....
|1 day 3 hours ago||(app) I kind of agree||
but let's be honest here, man. Most of the "good" posters have lost their minds, too. If this were done we'd have about 50 posters left. The "JH Holiday Song" thread made me not give a shit anymore or at least brought me back from the ledge because of how angrily moronic it was to me. I want him here but I'm prepared to hear "no". I'd like it to happen ASAP if it is no so we don't wait on a HC of any name until Jan 10th due to negotiations, their consideration, etc. If yes and already a yes I can wait. I'm "what could have been with such a perfect fit" sad for about a day if he says no but it won't genuinely hurt. I won't drown in booze, etc. I've just decided that I'm not taking anything seriously until I hear it from Harbaugh or Hackett. That's the day I'll GAF. My concern (as much as I want him here) and time is spent trying to parse logic from rumor to attempt to be a voice of sanity. I'm failing really hard. I even begged for us to just stop, even for a day, in the "wife/pulp fiction" thread. It's insane to the point that the nation is laughing at us. Not so much for wanting a coach but the way we're showing how we want ONLY ONE GUY so badly. It's embarrassing when it's anything but "this is how I feel, think & parse words". The posts where people are trying to be funny but are really creepy & pathetic make me cringe. I'm more on the lookout for troll spies, ha. I have a few locked in, IMO. We'll see. That's my fun, finding the new spy trolls that have invaded this blog, twitter, sites, etc.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Not to be a dick||
so sorry if wrong, bagheera! However, I'll post again that there is an actual msu thread on a site (I don't think it's one of the pay sites) where they have tons of people using different monikers at various UM sites and a secret "PM ONLY" troll plan for the day we don't get Jim. The thread was about 100 comments deep a couple weeks ago and the link I had for it no longer shows the thread to nonmembers. The link was off twitter and now I can't find it. Anyway, tons of people saying how "epic" the "plan" is when we don't get him, laughing and many openly saying if they've had their "cover" blown yet. They're doing their best to assimilate before doing it (I'm sure they'll still do something should he come) yet their intelligence and hatred of UM can only be held back so long, lol. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I hinted about a week ago to another poster questioning his UM fanhood that I think Bagheera could be one if these maniacal sleeper agents. Dastardly, if so. I suspect it simply due to using the app and having no ability to view his profile, not having seen him here before Hoke was fired & general negative tone about almost everything UM. I could be wrong! If so, please accept my apology! Yet, I'm on to you "Bagheera".....if that is your real name!?! /Ronin - WHAT COLOR IS THE LIGHTHOUSE IN NEW CASTLE?! WHAT COLOR IS IT?!!?
|2 days 6 hours ago||As an old chan vet||
they are often credited with things they didn't start and not credited for things they did. I was there darn near the beginning and retired permanently about 3 yrs ago. BTW, I stuck to /sp, mu, x, v & other creative spaces FAR MORE than /b, s, etc. Yet, b was always good for a quick laugh or horror show. I've grown, couldn't see myself ever going on there again even when I rarely looked back in the day. ANYWAY, "itshappening.gif/jpg/mpg/etc" was in use far longer than a few years ago at other image boards and sites as a meme. I'm not sure where/who started it (likely 4) but I know I first noticed it around 2007ish, maybe earlier. As far as when we started using it with Jim I think it was about a day after Hoke was fired. I think we used it with DB and other things as well. I'll say that as an old chan/image board vet it does make me laugh when a meme that is a decade old is tossed up on FB or the like and treated as if it was some clever new idea. Mainly by those that just have no idea such monstrous but often great places existed. Reddit, now more widely used and definitely accepted by the masses than 4chan (for obvious reasons) used to mock the site when it began as ripping off & making their memes, sayings, etc more politically correct. Reddit users were hated haha. Now, it's basically the 4chan of the mature or those that like to think they are ha. Finally, don't trust Urbandictionary as if it's gospel. The origin of things tend to be about 60% correct regarding just those I was literally witnessing happen in real time & can verify so I'd assume most things there are about 60% right. Sometimes I miss the old chan days of anonymous hilarity, music sharing, creepy pasta, videogame talk and the rare "this is the asshole of the internet" reminder visits on b. It was always good for shock and/or awe. BTW, Like the name, OP. Found fools gold CD in a lost & found when I was 14. I still love it.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Complain||
even if it's Miles, Stoops or that caliber. We're just setting the table for it.
|2 days 9 hours ago||I was praying||
someone got this reference and it seems a couple have. Randy Watson. SEXUAL CHOCOLATE! *drops mic, points, walks off stage* Great movie/scene.
|2 days 16 hours ago||We needed a timeout||
f'n days ago. Get real. However, going into Pulp Fiction territory made me roll my eyes real hard. Seriously (and this is a plea), let's all just stop for bit. I'm guilty, too! I'm not going apeshit or even caring on a level beyond what to make of things (impossible task) but simply posting in some threads makes me guilty. Let's all just stop for a bit. One day? An hour? Let's just stop. /inb4 donttellmewhattodo
|2 days 23 hours ago||This||
fuuuu this is getting lame. If offer is real & he hasn't answered with a "yes", he's exhausting all NFL options first. In that case, we need to move on. If being the highest paid coach in America at your alma mater doesn't do it for you, fine. Just don't drag this into the new year. You do that and we're nothing more than a hostage in his career. He'd be banished from AA for life of he used us for an NFL gig he takes Jan 3rd. If the offer is real, we have our guy right now or you start down the list of "potentially great coaches the fans will be bitter about no matter what". If offer is real he had it no later than Monday. It's Thursday. If he isn't on board this coming Monday he isn't coming barring the impossible notion of the NFL not matching money & control.
|2 days 23 hours ago||+1 app pos||
for Seinfeld reference.
|2 days 23 hours ago||and if that's the case||
it will take zero NFL takers to get him to UM. If Jim allowed his agent to do that it says he isn't coming. We can't offer much more as a CFB program. Alma mater, highest paid coach at any level of football, total control, etc. If the agent leaked it and Jim allowed it, we have an answer. Basically, the party that turned this from rumor to fact will be what gives us our common sense answer. The only way it's good is if it was us and even that isn't good, IMO. Yet, we can't wait until 2015 to be told "no". So, if us, best to get to work on others if we leaked it to force his hand as that will lead to a decline, IMO. The offer would be good because a whole lot of guys suddenly become interested with numbers even close to that.
|2 days 23 hours ago||First I heard it, didn't see prior thread||
but while he's a bit crazy (kinda like a guy we all want here) I honestly feel where he's coming from. From all indications the AD there was quietly as bad as DB but in different ways. Further, I've had a job where I had to tell my superior to fire me right then and there if they wanted to because when you did hear something it was constant rumours of change, unhappiness, etc. It took me looking the company managers (they had two) in the eye and telling them to fire me right now if they want before they actually spoke to myself or anyone like a human being. The air was toxic before that day but in the end we spoke and not only did they finally stop treating their job like spoiled brats but they promoted myself and a few others. For the next 4-5 years of my time there it was a pleasant place as we got as much accomplished as we ever had before that day. Some leaders just aren't meant to lead because they don't know how. I shouldn't have had to ask them to fire me and then tell them how to do their job but it's real. Shitty people get high positions sometimes. It helped me and many others. It sounds like it was the opposite for BP.
|3 days 42 min ago||If we just dropped that deal on Jim||
I'm SUUUURE a private plane and iPad stock will be covered lol. In fact, I think we have both already. The FB team doesn't use them on game day but I think they have them overall for study. Also, I'm kind if sure that we've used private planes to recruit since Bo era, definitely Carr.
|3 days 48 min ago||I have to say||
that from our end I completely agree. For us it shows we're serious and very serious. I agree that Hackett is doing the right thing overall. Above, I pointed out that I think this becoming fact is no good in any way with regard to landing Jim. So, if we don't get Jim I agree that the offer going (seemingly) form rumor to fact is a good thing. For Jim it may force his hand early or risk alienating his alma mater forever should he drag it on only to decline early 2015. If it forces his hand before the NFL season is up, I'd have to guess we turns it down. Yet, OVERALL it is a good thing if you take Jim out of it.
|3 days 55 min ago||And the sad truth is that||
kid along with (especially) the modern media funny give out praise for morality. If so, the SEC would be condemned instead of embraced. osu would be the scorn of every Midwestern HS coach/player, etc. Winning is what people care about when it boils down to the core elements. From a world generality standpoint it's insane to pay any coach even a million, let alone 8 a year. It's ethically wrong outside of the business (it is a product) they're in. Heck, inside if you look at what players risk (look at that Oregon CB for example). Yet, that's what product they sell and we want so within it I find nothing wrong with it. If you bring in the funds that the UM AD does, this is not only right but obvious and potentially years too late given the quality of product the last decade.
|3 days 1 hour ago||It is a very uncomfortable||
road that, sadly, is already paved. We're just finally driving on it. Ethically, it's insane. Competitively, it's on point and where an AD like Michigan's should be. I don't like it from an ethical, general world condition standpoint. As a fan of an obvious product, said product is not only right but obligated to go in this direction. Refusal to would be worse than outright admitting defeat, going generic/low end & expectations.