I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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|5 days 4 hours ago||Well, do you not understand Alabama's rivalries?||
Auburn is their OSU. I'd fully expect a congrats Missouri thread had they beaten Auburn tonight.
|5 days 4 hours ago||But you are suggesting that||
Why should we have patience? We have better facilities, better recruiting, better national coverage, better school, etc. If anything, this should be a wake up call. Starting with much less, Mark Dantonio had MSU going 11-2 in year 4. Do you expect that next year? He's beaten MSU's rivals more often than not. Do you expect to win any of the road games next year? Hoke's literally never beaten a ranked team on the road in a decade of coaching. He hasn't beaten a winning team on the road at Michigan.
|5 days 5 hours ago||Muschamp's not going anywhere||
If they're looking for a DC, I'd bet Justin Wilcox. He's in limbo right now (though he's also in the running for the Boise job)
|5 days 5 hours ago||You realize that our chief rival lost the championship, right?||
MSU is little brother. That means that when they succeed against OSU, our nemesis, we're happy.
|5 days 5 hours ago||Just to get this straight||
You're saying that we should have the same standards as MSU? This is THE Rose Bowl that they're going to, as in, the one Spartan fans for sure go to because this is likely their one chance. You're looking at the wrong rival and the standards (and process) that they have for hiring and firing coaches.
|5 days 5 hours ago||OSU won 24 games in a row||
They won 0 national or Big Ten titles.
At first I thought it would be better for Ohio to win in order to keep MSU from claiming that they go to the Rose Bowl. Then I realized that little factoid and it made me feel much better.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Hoke's had an incredibly easy schedule for three years||
Next year's the toughest one (though still not that difficult). It should be unacceptable if he doesn't get 10. But, I expect him to win 9 and come back for year 5 because we'll blame a young offensive line (again) and Brandon will point to the improvement in record.
|6 days 15 hours ago||See other comment above||
There hasn't been a good coach hired directly out of the MAC in over a decade.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Pac 12 doing in Football what Big 10 did in Basketball||
Every single team has a good coach now. Or, at least, has a coach considered to be a good up and comer. If the Big Ten is going to compete they need to start having their middling teams hire good coaches, hopefully it started with Minnesota and Kill. (It also needs Michigan to have a top staff, but that's for a different post).
I also don't get the shock over him leaving for Washington. Washington has great facilities, one of the loudest stadiums in the country, has tradition (second most PAC 12 Rose Bowls after USC), and good recruiting. It's also in a pretty cool city. It's not like he went to Oregon State or Wazzu.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Woody and Bo are both dead||
I know we tend to want to live in the past here, but Woody and Bo are not relevant to this discussion.
Woody coached in the MAC 60 years ago. Bo coached in the MAC 45 years ago. You act like dropping those two names adds any meaningfulness to your point. It doesn't. In fact, it shows how weak your argument is that you have to refence coaches who haven't coached football in over 20 years as prime examples of great MAC coaches.
|6 days 19 hours ago||15 years ago.||
And Meyer and Saban weren't poached from the MAC. Saban coached Toledo for a year. Meyer at BGSU for 2 years. The MAC hasn't produced a top-notch coach in over a decade, which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is struggling.
|1 week 2 days ago||Why would you post this?||
What could go wrong?
|1 week 3 days ago||Amazing to me how our basketball team and football team differ||
Our basketball program has decent tradition, but today it's not hamstrung by it and we have a guy who's willing to change when needed. Football is so different that we HAD to have a Michigan Man who does it the Michigan Man way (even though UM football history is actually all about innovation and adapting to the era rather than a strident devotion to how things used to be, but that's neither here nor there).
Beilien and Hoke are mirror images.
|1 week 3 days ago||They did what we did||
We need a USC person...so...uh....Sark!
|1 week 3 days ago||Debacle||
Debacle. Debacle. Debacle. Debacle.
|1 week 3 days ago||That's like saying Miles is from Ohio||
Mora's already stated numerous times how much he loves Washington. He's definitely going to get a call and he's definitely going to think about it long and hard.
|1 week 3 days ago||Two of those men are dead||
Times change. UW has great potential, but it's definitely harder to recruit there than USC, UCLA, etc.
|1 week 3 days ago||I've been following Washington closely for about 6 years now||
I think Sark is a good coach, but a really meh hire for USC. If Washington can snag Mora from UCLA, they come out the big winner. Wouldn't be surprised if they promote Wilcox, though.
|1 week 5 days ago||No, and its absurd to think so||
We're a 7 win archrival at home. They haven't lost in two seasons. I can't believe that our program is in such a dire state that we now believe that barely beating us is as bad as a loss for our opponents in the standings.
|1 week 5 days ago||Epitomizes the Hoke Era||
I agree with the call, but the playcall was awful, especially after Urban called a timeout. No adjustment on the field....again. Hoke, Borges, etc might be great on the whiteboard, but during the game? We almost never adjust, especially when we're facing top coaches who show the ability to do so.
I was at the game, and I could not see Brady. Did he have a headset on when they were deciding the final playcall? Did it look like he had any input on what we were going to do?
|1 week 6 days ago||LOL||
We must aim to be 10-2 Stanford, so that even if we miss we land amongst the 8-4 scrap heap of the Outback Bowl and just claim that we were just a few executed plays away from being a national champion.
The people who think MANBALL wins national titles are the same people who think Bear and Bo are in the same league because they had similar coaching styles and ignore the 6 national championships versus 0. I know it's hard to believe, but if your game plan relies on 20-22 year olds executing 100% of the plays so that you win by 3, you're going to win 75% of your games but never compete for a title.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||That's absurd||
Hoke has played about 75% of the number of teams that ended the season ranked that Rich Rod played. No one seems to want to point that out. The Big Ten is significantly worse now than it was 5 years ago.
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team ranked in the top 15 in his entire career.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||They make more money with a good Big Ten||
The Big Ten TV footprint is much much larger than the SEC.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||The worst part||
Brandon acts as if Hoke has the same track record as Nick Saban (or even Harbaugh). Nick Saban had already won a national championship went to Alabama. He was considered one of the best college coaches, hence Bama paying him.
Hoke has no track record of winning championships.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||the comparisons are brutal||
He compares Saban year 1 to Hoke year three, then talks about Harbaugh's progress, which looks a heck of a lot more like Rich Rod's than Hoke's.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I've seen enough criticism of Brian to not be quiet||
I do not think Brian being hypocritical, and no he's not just angry that we don't run his preferred offense. I think he and I are in the same boat.
The only people who don't think Rich Rod is a great coach are Michigan fans. The only people who think Brady Hoke is a great coach are Michigan fans and Jason Whitlock.
Rich Rod has built juggernauts everywhere he's gone. He's had huge wins and was essentially a broken thumb from playing for a national title at West Virginia, which has turned back into its mediocre self since he left. He improved every season and year four was set up, with the incredibly easy schedule and upperclassman superstar QB, to be a break out year. He wasn't given a 4th year for one reason and one reason alone: he's not a "Michigan Man" and he didn't know Bo. Yes, part of that was because of Rich Rod miscalculating the culture and losing bad losses, but he didn't get the benefit of the doubt, even when his track record should have allowed him to have it, because there was no help from the old Bo/Lloyd guys.
Brady Hoke's track record is weak. He has never beaten a ranked team on the road. Not just at Michigan, I mean ever. The best road win of his career is beating an 8-4 Navy team in 2007. He's never won a conference chanpionship. He's never beaten a team that's finished in the top 15 (and it might even be top 20 depending on where Va Tech finished). He's a decent recruiter and he loves Michigan, but he does not have the resume of an elite coach, especailly compared to the coaches of our rivals, two of whom are younger than Hoke.
Brady Hoke is a nice guy and an average coach. There's a reason why his 12-1 season led to him going to SDSU and not a BCS team. He's Michigan's coach for three reasons. Les Miles is forbidden. The Harbaugh's wanted to try and win a Super Bowl. And, he's a "Michigan Man" who lets Dave Brandon play Jerry Jones in the film room because he's dreamed of coaching Michigan and is terrified of losing it. His sucess at Michigan has come from having one of the most dynamic players ever to play at Michigan running around against inferior oppenents and having Dave Brandon coax Mattison into being DC. Even in the Sugar Bowl year we finished third in the conference. He's middling in a terrible conference, which is bar far the worst major conference in America (No I don't count American as a major conference even though they inexplicably have the Big East's autobid).
Brian's ftrustrations, if they're like mine, come from the fact that this money that's coming into the program doesn't even matter. We are in this mess because Rich Rod couldn't lure Casteel to Michigan because he couldn't give him a guaranteed contract. To make matters worse, after the failure of Rich Rod, instead of doing what OSU and Alabama did in paying top dollar for a great coach, we went bargain basement on a guy with no real record of winning championships. This has nothing to do with RIch Rod's style or even his coaching. There was cause to fire him, but only if you could replace him with someone better. Because we didn't do that, we're now in a corner. Too often the problem is that being loyal to the program's success and criticizing Hoke and Brandon has been met with being called disloyal to our past with Bo, Lloyd, etc or being hyprocritical as a Rich Rod defender (which is connected to the disloyalty of our past in an endless cycle).
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly||
If Brandon is honest he'd be able to see that we're a heck of a lot closer to 5-7 and than 10-1.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Life is much easier as a college coach||
He's already proven himself a champion. Could be a lifestyle choice. He grew up in Ann Arbor.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Ah, Ok||
I wasn't aware that was where the high school kid writes.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||It could depend on other coaches, etc right?||
I'm sure most people here saw the thing about John Harbaugh (and I imagine ESPN probably started snooping around the idea after it blew up on Twitter). As unlikely as it is, if he did want to leave the NFL (the Ravens are in last place, his Super Bowl team has been dismantled, or at least gutted, he's proven himself a winner, etc) and he made it known that he was available, isn't it difficult to think Brandon wouldn't jump at the chance?
Of course, it's all speculative and highly unlikely. But, Brandon's not dumb. He knows that if he fires Hoke he needs to replace him with a huge name. That goes for next year as well (when we probably go 8-4 again).