at least it's not just us?
|4 days 19 hours ago||Since the foul on Trey everything has been a disaster||
Since that ref turned an all-time championship play into sealing the game for Louisville, 2013 has been terrible for Detroit sports. Following that the Pistons inexplicably didn't take Burke, Wings blew a 3-2 playoff lead, Verlander was average during regular season, Miggy got hurt, then we blew two playoff games, UM football has proven mediocre, UM missed on Hand, OSU-MSU played for championship, UM basketball has been gut-punched, and the best Lions team in maybe my lifetime has blown a division lead to TWO teams starting backup quarterbacks.
I can't take much more.
|6 days 13 hours ago||If a Harbaugh ends up at Texas||
This place is going to be nuts. That would be an huge failure on Brandon's part. Regardless of how much you like Hoke. If either of them came calling, I think you'd be crazy to not hire them.
|6 days 13 hours ago||Coaching in the NFL is much more difficult||
The days NFL guys have to put in are grueling. There really isn't an offseason, you have to be scouting, which is much more difficult than recruiting.
|6 days 16 hours ago||So he stabalized PSU||
Has shown himself to be one of the better coaches in the Big Ten (having decent seasons with a heavily sanctioned team) and now, just as the sanctions are going to be finished, he leaves?
|2 weeks 1 hour ago||Well, do you not understand Alabama's rivalries?||
Auburn is their OSU. I'd fully expect a congrats Missouri thread had they beaten Auburn tonight.
|2 weeks 1 hour ago||But you are suggesting that||
Why should we have patience? We have better facilities, better recruiting, better national coverage, better school, etc. If anything, this should be a wake up call. Starting with much less, Mark Dantonio had MSU going 11-2 in year 4. Do you expect that next year? He's beaten MSU's rivals more often than not. Do you expect to win any of the road games next year? Hoke's literally never beaten a ranked team on the road in a decade of coaching. He hasn't beaten a winning team on the road at Michigan.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Muschamp's not going anywhere||
If they're looking for a DC, I'd bet Justin Wilcox. He's in limbo right now (though he's also in the running for the Boise job)
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||You realize that our chief rival lost the championship, right?||
MSU is little brother. That means that when they succeed against OSU, our nemesis, we're happy.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Just to get this straight||
You're saying that we should have the same standards as MSU? This is THE Rose Bowl that they're going to, as in, the one Spartan fans for sure go to because this is likely their one chance. You're looking at the wrong rival and the standards (and process) that they have for hiring and firing coaches.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||OSU won 24 games in a row||
They won 0 national or Big Ten titles.
At first I thought it would be better for Ohio to win in order to keep MSU from claiming that they go to the Rose Bowl. Then I realized that little factoid and it made me feel much better.
|2 weeks 10 hours ago||Hoke's had an incredibly easy schedule for three years||
Next year's the toughest one (though still not that difficult). It should be unacceptable if he doesn't get 10. But, I expect him to win 9 and come back for year 5 because we'll blame a young offensive line (again) and Brandon will point to the improvement in record.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||See other comment above||
There hasn't been a good coach hired directly out of the MAC in over a decade.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Pac 12 doing in Football what Big 10 did in Basketball||
Every single team has a good coach now. Or, at least, has a coach considered to be a good up and comer. If the Big Ten is going to compete they need to start having their middling teams hire good coaches, hopefully it started with Minnesota and Kill. (It also needs Michigan to have a top staff, but that's for a different post).
I also don't get the shock over him leaving for Washington. Washington has great facilities, one of the loudest stadiums in the country, has tradition (second most PAC 12 Rose Bowls after USC), and good recruiting. It's also in a pretty cool city. It's not like he went to Oregon State or Wazzu.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Woody and Bo are both dead||
I know we tend to want to live in the past here, but Woody and Bo are not relevant to this discussion.
Woody coached in the MAC 60 years ago. Bo coached in the MAC 45 years ago. You act like dropping those two names adds any meaningfulness to your point. It doesn't. In fact, it shows how weak your argument is that you have to refence coaches who haven't coached football in over 20 years as prime examples of great MAC coaches.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||15 years ago.||
And Meyer and Saban weren't poached from the MAC. Saban coached Toledo for a year. Meyer at BGSU for 2 years. The MAC hasn't produced a top-notch coach in over a decade, which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is struggling.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Why would you post this?||
What could go wrong?
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Amazing to me how our basketball team and football team differ||
Our basketball program has decent tradition, but today it's not hamstrung by it and we have a guy who's willing to change when needed. Football is so different that we HAD to have a Michigan Man who does it the Michigan Man way (even though UM football history is actually all about innovation and adapting to the era rather than a strident devotion to how things used to be, but that's neither here nor there).
Beilien and Hoke are mirror images.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||They did what we did||
We need a USC person...so...uh....Sark!
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Debacle||
Debacle. Debacle. Debacle. Debacle.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||That's like saying Miles is from Ohio||
Mora's already stated numerous times how much he loves Washington. He's definitely going to get a call and he's definitely going to think about it long and hard.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Two of those men are dead||
Times change. UW has great potential, but it's definitely harder to recruit there than USC, UCLA, etc.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I've been following Washington closely for about 6 years now||
I think Sark is a good coach, but a really meh hire for USC. If Washington can snag Mora from UCLA, they come out the big winner. Wouldn't be surprised if they promote Wilcox, though.
|3 weeks 8 hours ago||No, and its absurd to think so||
We're a 7 win archrival at home. They haven't lost in two seasons. I can't believe that our program is in such a dire state that we now believe that barely beating us is as bad as a loss for our opponents in the standings.
|3 weeks 8 hours ago||Epitomizes the Hoke Era||
I agree with the call, but the playcall was awful, especially after Urban called a timeout. No adjustment on the field....again. Hoke, Borges, etc might be great on the whiteboard, but during the game? We almost never adjust, especially when we're facing top coaches who show the ability to do so.
I was at the game, and I could not see Brady. Did he have a headset on when they were deciding the final playcall? Did it look like he had any input on what we were going to do?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||LOL||
We must aim to be 10-2 Stanford, so that even if we miss we land amongst the 8-4 scrap heap of the Outback Bowl and just claim that we were just a few executed plays away from being a national champion.
The people who think MANBALL wins national titles are the same people who think Bear and Bo are in the same league because they had similar coaching styles and ignore the 6 national championships versus 0. I know it's hard to believe, but if your game plan relies on 20-22 year olds executing 100% of the plays so that you win by 3, you're going to win 75% of your games but never compete for a title.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||That's absurd||
Hoke has played about 75% of the number of teams that ended the season ranked that Rich Rod played. No one seems to want to point that out. The Big Ten is significantly worse now than it was 5 years ago.
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team ranked in the top 15 in his entire career.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||They make more money with a good Big Ten||
The Big Ten TV footprint is much much larger than the SEC.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||The worst part||
Brandon acts as if Hoke has the same track record as Nick Saban (or even Harbaugh). Nick Saban had already won a national championship went to Alabama. He was considered one of the best college coaches, hence Bama paying him.
Hoke has no track record of winning championships.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||the comparisons are brutal||
He compares Saban year 1 to Hoke year three, then talks about Harbaugh's progress, which looks a heck of a lot more like Rich Rod's than Hoke's.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I've seen enough criticism of Brian to not be quiet||
I do not think Brian being hypocritical, and no he's not just angry that we don't run his preferred offense. I think he and I are in the same boat.
The only people who don't think Rich Rod is a great coach are Michigan fans. The only people who think Brady Hoke is a great coach are Michigan fans and Jason Whitlock.
Rich Rod has built juggernauts everywhere he's gone. He's had huge wins and was essentially a broken thumb from playing for a national title at West Virginia, which has turned back into its mediocre self since he left. He improved every season and year four was set up, with the incredibly easy schedule and upperclassman superstar QB, to be a break out year. He wasn't given a 4th year for one reason and one reason alone: he's not a "Michigan Man" and he didn't know Bo. Yes, part of that was because of Rich Rod miscalculating the culture and losing bad losses, but he didn't get the benefit of the doubt, even when his track record should have allowed him to have it, because there was no help from the old Bo/Lloyd guys.
Brady Hoke's track record is weak. He has never beaten a ranked team on the road. Not just at Michigan, I mean ever. The best road win of his career is beating an 8-4 Navy team in 2007. He's never won a conference chanpionship. He's never beaten a team that's finished in the top 15 (and it might even be top 20 depending on where Va Tech finished). He's a decent recruiter and he loves Michigan, but he does not have the resume of an elite coach, especailly compared to the coaches of our rivals, two of whom are younger than Hoke.
Brady Hoke is a nice guy and an average coach. There's a reason why his 12-1 season led to him going to SDSU and not a BCS team. He's Michigan's coach for three reasons. Les Miles is forbidden. The Harbaugh's wanted to try and win a Super Bowl. And, he's a "Michigan Man" who lets Dave Brandon play Jerry Jones in the film room because he's dreamed of coaching Michigan and is terrified of losing it. His sucess at Michigan has come from having one of the most dynamic players ever to play at Michigan running around against inferior oppenents and having Dave Brandon coax Mattison into being DC. Even in the Sugar Bowl year we finished third in the conference. He's middling in a terrible conference, which is bar far the worst major conference in America (No I don't count American as a major conference even though they inexplicably have the Big East's autobid).
Brian's ftrustrations, if they're like mine, come from the fact that this money that's coming into the program doesn't even matter. We are in this mess because Rich Rod couldn't lure Casteel to Michigan because he couldn't give him a guaranteed contract. To make matters worse, after the failure of Rich Rod, instead of doing what OSU and Alabama did in paying top dollar for a great coach, we went bargain basement on a guy with no real record of winning championships. This has nothing to do with RIch Rod's style or even his coaching. There was cause to fire him, but only if you could replace him with someone better. Because we didn't do that, we're now in a corner. Too often the problem is that being loyal to the program's success and criticizing Hoke and Brandon has been met with being called disloyal to our past with Bo, Lloyd, etc or being hyprocritical as a Rich Rod defender (which is connected to the disloyalty of our past in an endless cycle).
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
If Brandon is honest he'd be able to see that we're a heck of a lot closer to 5-7 and than 10-1.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Life is much easier as a college coach||
He's already proven himself a champion. Could be a lifestyle choice. He grew up in Ann Arbor.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Ah, Ok||
I wasn't aware that was where the high school kid writes.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||It could depend on other coaches, etc right?||
I'm sure most people here saw the thing about John Harbaugh (and I imagine ESPN probably started snooping around the idea after it blew up on Twitter). As unlikely as it is, if he did want to leave the NFL (the Ravens are in last place, his Super Bowl team has been dismantled, or at least gutted, he's proven himself a winner, etc) and he made it known that he was available, isn't it difficult to think Brandon wouldn't jump at the chance?
Of course, it's all speculative and highly unlikely. But, Brandon's not dumb. He knows that if he fires Hoke he needs to replace him with a huge name. That goes for next year as well (when we probably go 8-4 again).
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Instability has little to do with firing Hoke||
It has more to do with what we do if we fire Hoke. If Brandon has feelers out with a couple top-notch coaches the internet rumor mongering suggests (one of the Harbaughs, Les Miles, Sumlin) and one of them accepts, then there's no instability.
I'll use John Harbaugh as the example here mostly because of all the rumors, he seems like the likliest candidate. If we fired Hoke on a Tuesday and hired John Harbaugh on a Thursday, there's almost no instability. He's universally viewed as a better coach than Hoke. He'd almost assuredly keep Mattison. There'd be little instability in a change like that.
What would be disastrous would be to fire Hoke and do what we did after fired Rich Rod where we went through "the process." I hope Brandon does what he should have done a few years ago: have a few names, contact them, if they agree to the job, fire Hoke and name his replacement almost immediately. If they don't agree, realize that Hoke in year four is better than some second-rate alternative and hope for the best while having a year to prepare for the worst.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||It makes us average because it prevents progress||
The fact that every. single. time. we face any kind of adversity we reference a guy who hasn't coached in 25 years means that we can never live in the present and focus on the future.
We have gone from making the "michigan man" thing be something extra to placing it in the forefront of our program. Harbaugh and Miles would have been great hires regardless of their affiliation with Michigan. Their connection to the program would have been an added bonus. The reason we have Brady Hoke, who had an all-time losing record and no history of winning championships, is because we have so many people inside and outside the administration that puts the connection to Bo ahead of everything else.
Yes. Bo was a great coach. Yes. 1969 was a big upset. Yes. He gave a great speech and inspired people. But, he has no more impact on the current team than Yost, Crisler, etc, or at least, he shouldn't have any impact on the current team.
The man has been dead for 7 years. Over that time he's gone from an old coach that we loved to a god that we as a program worship. Anyone who doesn't worship him is deemed a heretic. And now we're about to get smoked by Ohio State. They have a coach who's won 2 national titles and is on the verge of his third season where he's won all his games, which, just for note, Bo never did. Why do they have that coach? Because Ohio State has spent less time time worrying about Woody Hayes and patting themselves on the back for games played four decades ago and more time looking at the college football landscape's change and responding accordingly.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||There are no quick fixes with tradition||
Except for you know, Alabama with Saban, Florida with Meyer, OSU with Meyer, Texas A&M with Kevin Sumlin, Florida State with Jimbo Fisher, Gus Malzahn at Auburn. Jim Mora at UCLA, You really think that those schools don't care about tradition?
Lloyd Carr won the Big Ten 5 times and a national title. Lloyd Carr had one season where he finished outside of the top 20.
On the other hand, in his entire career Brady Hoke has beaten a team that finished in the top 20 twice (Virginia Tech and Northwestern). Brady Hoke's best win on the road in his entire career, not just at Michigan, is @ Navy (8-4) in 2007. Brady Hoke has never won his conference anywhere he went. This is his 10th season of coaching.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Or maybe we should have higher standards than Bo||
It's breathtaking to me to see fans who lambasted Rich Rod in year three comparing Hoke to Bo by saying "well, on retrospect, Bo didn't really win many big games." Great.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||ROAD win||
Those are home wins and Va Tech was neutral site.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||No more irrelevant than now||
I guess that was what I was trying to say.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||You want to pretend that the empire just exists||
Bo always knew that this program was bigger than him. It is not discounting Bo to say that constantly referencing a guy who hasn't coached Michigan in 25 years isn't good for the program. We don't need to continually reference Bo and relive the good times, we need to find a 21st century version of him. That's what Ohio State did...twice.
Bo had no connection to Michigan when he came to Ann Arbor. He wanted to add, not relive what Fitz or Yost did.
|4 weeks 3 hours ago||I love Bo||
But, I also think that we think of him as "one of the greatest ever" while the rest of the country thinks of him as "one of the greatest ever at Michigan."
|4 weeks 4 hours ago||Brady Hoke's Best Road Win In His Career||
At Navy (8-4) in 2007 with Ball State. Can someone find a better one? Am I missing a better one?
|4 weeks 4 hours ago||He did give a great speech once||
And he's arguably our second best coach after Yost (Though Lloyd won conference titles at roughly the same pace and won the national title and had a Heisman).
I'm not deriding Bo, but I have to admit, it's wearing on me to see Bo get referenced after we're outcoached again. It's reaching hero worship levels. None of these kids were alive when Bo coached. The seniors were 15 when Bo passed away.
|4 weeks 5 hours ago||How's that different than the last 8 years?||
We've beaten Sparty once in 6 years and Ohio twice in 12 years. We haven't won the Big Ten in nearly a decade.
|4 weeks 6 hours ago||When exactly were we irrelevant before Bo?||
We had a couple eras of crappiness that were similar to the last 8 years or so, but we were hardly irrelevant.
|4 weeks 6 hours ago||So your critique is||
I mispelled Moeller's name and Yost dominated his peers but it doesn't count because it happened a long time ago? Yost created Michigan tradition. Bo talked about it. On the night of his vigil Dierdorf (i think it was Dierdorf) talked about how Bo constantly talked about Yost, etc.
My entire point is that what Bo did 40 years ago means no more than what Yost did 100 years ago. We are constantly living in the past as a program.
|4 weeks 6 hours ago||Bo. Schembechler. Is. Dead.||
Why is it that we constantly have to reference a guy who's not coached the team in nearly 25 years? No one on this team was even alive when Bo coached Michigan.
Bo was a great man and a heck of a coach. But he's not even the best coach in our history. Fielding Yost was.
He didn't coach the longest. Yost did.
He doesn't have the most bowl wins. Lloyd does.
He never won a national title. Yost, Crisler, Oosterban, and Carr did.
He never had a Heisman winner. Moehler and Carr did.
He has the most Big Ten Titles (13) only because Yost's Michigan left the Big Ten for ten years. (Yost won 10 Big Ten titles).
He doesn't have the best record against OSU. Yost does.
He won the most games, but only because he played more. He doesn't have the highest winning percentage, Yost does. (.808 to .785).
I get that a lot of fans today worship Bo because he was the coach when they were going to Michigan. I also get that it was a tumultous time on campus and that he helped bring stability and unity in a chaotic era on campus. But, we need to stop the worshipping of this guy. Michigan tradition didn't start with Bo, which is why he wanted to coach at Michigan. Did Bo add to our tradition? You bet. We are in this mess, partly, because we are constantly looking backwards rather than forward.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||Hoke has had a significantly easier schedule||
And Hoke hasn't had the drama about not being a Michigan Man. Rich Rod played five ranked teams in his last season alone. Hoke has played 9 in three years.
In his three seasons, Rich Rod played almost twice as many ranked teams. And that doesn't count Utah, which went undefeated and beat Bama. Hoke has never beaten a winning team on the road. He's beaten one ranked team on the road in his ENTIRE career.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||You realize that they're number 5, right?||
Basically winning out and a couple losses and they're in the National Title picture. What you saw today in Tucson is what RIch Rod's teams look like when he has his right hand man coaching the D. Arizona has nowhere near the talent we have, and they play in a much tougher conference, and they're going to have a better record than us.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||I think it's about the same||
Confidence in the staff is gone. Big difference is that Hoke had a 10 win season (against an easy schedule) and a so-so track record while Rich Rod had a worse record at UM, but a better track record.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||This will go well||
|4 weeks 10 hours ago||Last year||
I was worried after going 10-2 (with a couple miracle wins) against the easiest schedule in decades. What really told me that we were in trouble was the Air Force game and the realization that we hadn't had a good road win under Hoke after last year. The bowl game gave me some hope, but this year it's become apparent that the concerns about Hoke's track record that many of us had when we hired Hoke has come to the forefront.
The basketball game yesterday and today's football game was the biggest contrast in coaching at MIchigan I've ever seen.
|5 weeks 15 hours ago||Top Programs Are Willing To Pay Top Dollar For Talent||
This is the thing Michigan is still learning. The market in college football has exploded. The only way to get top talent is to pay for it, both at HC and coordinators (and everywhere else).
If you expect a hometown discount you're going to be SOL.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Nick Saban vs Hoke||
Saban has 4 national titles, 7 ten-win seasons, five 12-win seasons, eight top 10 finishes (including one at Sparty). He coached under Bill Bellicheck and is about to win his third national championship in a row.
Hoke has never won his conference. Had two 10-win seasons, and has never beaten a ranked team on the road. His claim to fame is that he knows Tom Brady.
Engineering at Alabma might have helped, but that's not why Hand didn't come to Michigan.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||December, January, February are cold||
Alabama gets months like Michigan November and March. We don't get months like Alabama June, July, August, sometimes September.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||You've clearly never been to Bama in the Summer||
This is one of the biggest excuses that just don't make sense. I've lived in the South and I grew up in Michigan, Michigan's weather is nicer than the Deep South. We have a couple months of cold/snow. The have more months of heat and rain.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I hear "but the recruiting class"||
leaving as a reason to keep Hoke.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Agree||
You can scheme around D linemen in a way that you can't with DB's. If i could pick one, I'd have Peppers.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||One More Nail||
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Uh...yes...||
We could still win 10 games.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||The idea that Michigan is Stanford or Oklahoma St is ridiculous||
Why do I get the feeling that the three teams you listed weren't at the top of the conference in terms of recruiting when the new coach took over? Also, the Big 12 in 2001 had 4 teams in the top 15. The Big Ten currently has one, and we've not played them yet.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||My guess||
We would have lost in the national championship after going undefeated in the easiest schedule we've ever had 2011.
Better quesiton is where would we be if Brandon had just let Rich Rod hire Casteel and given him backing the way he gave it to Beilein when he was struggling in year three.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||We should start with beating a winning team on the road||
Let's walk before we run.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Urban Meyer's advantage is that he's a better coach||
Urban Meyer has won everywhere he's gone.
Since 2003, when Meyer took over Utah and Hoke started his tenure at Ball State, Urban's had two undefeated seasons, and three 1-loss seasons. He's won a championship in two conferences and would have gotten his first Big Ten championship last year had they been eligible. He's won two national titles.
Hoke had one year with one loss, and in that good season he lost in the conference championship by 3 touchdowns. His best season at Michigan saw a loss to 7-6 Iowa and a drubbing by MSU.
When Urban Meyer goes to a recruit he says, I've coached the number draft pick in the country, I've won multiple national titles, I've coached a Heisman trophy winner. When Hoke talks to a recruit he says, Michigan is great. Tom Brady played here. Here's Greg Mattison. Greg, take it away.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Yes, that's what we need||
More insular thinking by hiring only Michigan Men. How do we square hiring only alumni (or homers from Ann Arbor) with being an elite program?
|5 weeks 6 days ago||So you think Michigan is on par with Arkansas and Cal?||
Is that where we've fallen to? Are you kidding? Dykes and Bielema are in year one, not year three. And yes, Nebraska is a division rival. They're the best program in our division, and we're 1-2 against them. The except fors matter because we've been lucky to pull out a couple wins against rivals. Yes, that's football, but it doesn't mean that we should be happy to have beaten a crappy OSU team barely and an average ND team twice.
People are not clamoring the Al Golden to be fired because he's looking at a 10 win season and had his team in the top ten (and could very well win his division). The trajectory of Miami (ytM) is upwards, ours isn't. As a sidebar, Al Golden has as many wins against Ohio State as Hoke does.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||So long as we don't play Arizona I'm happy||
The last thing this program needs is to lose a bowl game to Rich Rod.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||I'm so sick of Michigan fans acting like we're the only young||
Despite our coaching change, we have outrecruited everyone in this conference besides OSU (who is crushing us in recruiting by the way, which is why I don't get this "Hoke is master recruiter" meme).
The Big Ten is atrocious. You shouldn't need to have Stanford's Oline to score a touchdown against a team that Wymoning and South Dakota State gashed on the ground.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Nebraska and MSU are division rivals||
You can throw in ND, cool. He's 2-1 against ND because of the magical play of Denard Robinson in year one, not because of scheme. He's been outcoached by our rivals in every game. His one victory against MSU came without scoring a TD. His one win against Ohio State came when they were 6-6 and happened because of a missed bomb by their freshman QB.
We hired a guy who never won a conference title and had an overall losing record in 7 years of coaching. He got the job because he liked Michigan alot and knew Lloyd and Dave Brandon after Harbaugh chose the 49ers.
It's fairly clear that Brandon thought he was going to get Harbaugh and didn't have a plan B (which should have been let Rich Rod have one more year and if he fails go after Meyer).
|5 weeks 6 days ago||You don't think that Rich Rod would have won 10 games?||
Hoke's first season was against possibly the easiest schedule in decades, if not ever. We played one ranked team at home and they were ranked 19th. We still lost 2 games. It's hard to believe that Rich Rod, with Denard as a junior, wouldn't have been able to get to 10 wins. Would the defense have been worse? For sure. But, the offense would have been much better, Rodriguez had improved every year.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Year Threes||
Les Miles at OSU: 9-3
Les Miles at LSU: national champions.
Urban Meyer at Florida: 9-4 (aftering winning title in year two)
Jim Harbaugh at Stanford: 9-4, improved every year.
Hell, Jerry Kill's 8-2 in year 3 at Minnesota.
I don't expect to be Alabama in year three, but we have better recruiting than everyone in the conference except Ohio State. Saying that we shouldn't expect to at least compete for a division title in year three is ridiculous. Rich Rod got fired for a season like this and he was improving every year. We basically fired our coach without a good plan B if our top choice didn't come to Ann Arbo three years ago and now we're stuck in a position where we can't make a change. The program is in idle.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah, you're right we should manage expectations||
Coaches never see major success three years into taking over a top tier program that's recruited in the top 20 every year, especailly when they play in possibly the worst of the major conferences (and no AAC isn't a major conference).
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Kentucky also builds on the past||
They spend a ton of money on coaching. They didn't go to Calipari and say, hey, Adolph Rupp created this great program, would you like to take a discount and come coach here?
No. They said, we're a program with tradition, we SHOULD pay top dollar to maintain it. Just like Alabama and Saban. That includes top assistants, etc.
|6 weeks 59 min ago||Make Jim Harbaugh or Les an offer he can't refuse||
I'm pretty sure those are the only elite coaches who'd be willing to step into this fire. If we weren't going to get Harbaugh, firing Rich Rod was a gigantic mistake by Brandon. Why would an elite coach not connected to the school choose Michigan over Texas or USC after the way we treated Rich Rod? Would we outbid them?
Yes, I know I know, Les will never coach here, etc. No, I don't think firing Hoke is a real option.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||He also never won a national title||
and had an atrocious bowl record. He did not "set the standard." He revived it. Our program's greatest coach is Yost, which is why I don't get the hero worship of Bo.
Our Bear Bryant is Fielding Yost. Bo Schembechler is our Gene Stallings.
That's not a disparagement. It's just a side by side comparison of coaches who coached Michigan before our entire team was born. I certainly hope that our standards are higher than spoiling Ohio State's chances at national titles and trying to stay competitive against the Pac 12 in Pasadena.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||That's not true at all||
Gene Stallings won the national title. Franchione and Dubose both had successful seasons. They struggled with Shula (and sanctions) and eventually paid Saban. Nick Saban has never had to worry about Bear Bryant. He undoubtedly references him when useful and repsects what he did, but he's never been burdened by it the way our coaches are by Bo.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||As I said, I'm a historian||
So yes, I agree with you. I literally write history books about people like Lincoln. There's a difference between learning from the past and hero worshipping to the point of it being an impediment.
The OP basically says, hey, things look good at times, here's a Bo quote, if you criticize Hoke you're going against this Bo quote. Bo has basically become a crutch for those who like Hoke because he really like Michigan the way we all do.
|6 weeks 2 hours ago||Right||
As I said, I like the tradition. What Alabama doesn't do is constantly reference Bear for every single thing they do. They also didn't go to Saban and say you get the honor of coaching where Bear coached in order to lure him. They gave him an 8 year 32 million dollar base salary.
|6 weeks 2 hours ago||I'm youngish so I barely remember Bo||
But did fans reference Yost and Crisler, as if it somehow belies criticism, when times got tough the way that we reference Bo? Obviously, there weren't message boards, etc. But, it seems like we've been living in Bo's shadow for 25 years.
I understand our devotion to tradition, and I love it (I'm a historian by trade). But, I have to say that it seems like we're constantly looking for the next Bo rather than the next great coach. Our clinging to Bo by the fan base almost feels like an albatross now. None of the kids on the team were alive when he coached at Michigan.
It strikes me as odd that every single time there's criticism of a coach we hear a quote from a coach who coahed in 1989. Is it relevant? Sure, I guess, in the same way that quotes from Abraham Lincoln might be.
Lloyd Carr won a national title and was a play or two from playing for another one. He's also alive.
|6 weeks 3 hours ago||This is exactly right||
In his career Hoke has one upset, maybe, against Air Force. The guy's coached 10 seasons, he's competed for a conference championship once. We like him because he likes Michigan the way we do. That doesn't mean he's a great coach. There's almost no evidence that he's a great coach. He had one good season at Ball State in which he got smoked in the MAC championship (and finished unranked) and a season where he played one ranked team at home and one in a bowl finished 11-2.
He's a good recruiter. Basically, he's been saved by Brandon talking Mattison into coming to Ann Arbor and Denard clearly being better than we gave him credit for.
|6 weeks 5 hours ago||Well, they're a basketball school that's never gone to the Rose||
So yes, they're Indiana. Rich Rod's players quit because it was apparent that he wasn't going to get a 4th year. Hoke has been given every single advantage that Rich Rod was denied, especially when it comes to contracts and money for assistants. Arizona probably isn't going to go to the Rose Bowl. But, it's December and they still control their destiny.
It's amazing to me to see people who lambasted Rich Rod for his defense come to defend Brady Hoke's offense. As of right now it looks like Hoke's success has come from Denard making plays in 2011 and Mattison making the defense decent against a weak schedule. So...basically what Rich Rod with Casteel most likely would have been.
|6 weeks 5 hours ago||Why is it silly?||
We beat barely beat them in a year where they went 7-6 and we didn't score a TD. We barely beat an bad OSU team as well. Not scoring a TD against MSU isn't "searching for a negative" it's a sign of being outcoached by your rival for three seasons in a row (much like Charlie Weis's magical win against us when Henne fumbled away the game on the goaline).
I went to the Sugar Bowl and was pumped about it, but you have to admit that we definitely did not deserve to be there. Boise for sure belonged over us. Baylor was ranked higher than us and had the Heisman winner. We got to go because the SEC was only allowed 2 teams and because Michigan has a huge fan base. We had one ranked win all year. We had 8 road wins and two road wins against losing teams (Northwestern and Illinois).
|6 weeks 6 hours ago||What transition?||
He's regressing. The longer he's been here, the worse the offense (and team) has gotten. You only have the players for 4 years. His best Big Ten win might be Minnesota this year. The "his guys" talk is ridiculous. He had his best season when he had Rich Rod's guys (and a weak schedule).
|6 weeks 6 hours ago||Sounds like a problem at the top||
It's disappointing to see Michigan Football being played by Stanford and LSU.
|6 weeks 6 hours ago||Hoke has been mediocre||
His best season came against a schedule with one win against a ranked team (Nebraska who ended unranked) and a lucky win in the Sugar Bowl (that we went to because of our commercial pull, not our season).
Last year was average. This year is bad and was a yard against Akron from being a debacle.
0 road wins ranked teams in his career. 0 Tds against MSU in two years (two tds scored in three seasons against MSU total). The only thing that's saving him is the potential recruiting class this year.
|6 weeks 7 hours ago||If only one of these coaches was begging to coach at UM....||
|6 weeks 7 hours ago||Root for the 49ers||
Only way for Harbaugh to leave (and he's more likely than Saban to come to Ann Arbor) is for him to win a Super Bowl.
|6 weeks 7 hours ago||Whomever Miles wants||
Admit the mistake, forgive, and move on.
|6 weeks 7 hours ago||He's Tommy Amaker||
Hired because of who he was not what he'd done. Had one surprising season, but never won anything. Solid recruiter, terrible Xs and Os guy.
Michigan football has been replaced by Michigan basketball.
|6 weeks 7 hours ago||How about let Rich Rod hire the DC he wanted||
and give him the money and contratual resources to do so?
He's 6-2 at the Indiana of the Pac 12, with Casteel.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||still has to be away four days a week||
If you want to be a heavy hitter, you're going to see you're family less.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Probably worn down||
He'll probably run for governor, Lt governor, or, he's tired of Congress. I work there, the flying back and forth wears on them.
He could also have something to do with the Christie campaign, which is going to begin soon.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||2 winning seasons at Ball St||
1 at SDSU.
Urban Meyer took a 2 win BGSU team to 8 wins and then 9 wins in his two MAC seasons.
Jerry Kill took a 2 win NIU team to three straight bowl games and a MAC championship.
Tim Beckman took a 3-win Toledo and in three seasons they played in two MAC championship games.
Darrell Hazell took a Kent State team with 5 wins for three or four straight years to an undefeated MAC championship and a number 25 ranking in two years.
Hoke took 5 years to get to 7-6 and then to 12-1, no MAC championships. I'm not saying that I'd rather have those guys, but what Hoke did at Ball State isn't some sort of amazing feat. Good coaches in the MAC do that all the time.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Good?||
I guess. Sure. SDSU typically is a 500 team in conference, they went 5-3 that year.
I should have said, the season in which they made their name.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||I think Hoke's more like Amaker than Beilein||
The comparison to Beilein is not a good one, I think. Thoughout his career Beilein scored upsets. Brian always talks about his great tournament record. In ten years of coaching Hoke has 3 top 20 wins, two at home (Nebraska and ND) and one in the Sugar Bowl. Before coming to Michigan he had never finished the season ranked. If you extend it to the top 25, he beat Air Force at SDSU, also at home. I love the guy's attitude and how much he loves Michigan, but he's nowhere near Beilein in terms of accomplishment prior to coming to UM.
I made the point that he's like Amaker on another thread, but I'd kind of like to build out the thought process a little more because I see a lot of similarities in the situation. Here they are:
Hoke and Amaker were both second choices after striking out on a big name and both guys were hired because of what they did off the field/court as much as what they did on it.
Hoke and Amaker were hired because of who they had served as assistants under, not because of their records. Amaker was coming off 16-15 season. Hoke was coming off a 9-4 season. They both had one good season in their career before coming to Michigan, but it wasn't the season before they came to Ann Arbor.
Both are recruiters more than Xs and Os types of guys.
Both had a decent season early off, but there were always signs that they'd not take off. Amaker could never get that big win. Hoke has one road win against a winning team in 3 years.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Never won the conference though||
I guess that's what's been sticking out to me thinking about it. He's never been the best of his peers. He did make teams respectable, but never got over the hump. That's why he reminds me of Amaker.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||What exactly makes you think I'm on the ledge?||
It's a sober analysis of the situation. Hoke wasn't the first choice, neither was Tommy. Both are good guys, but weren't great with Xs and Os.
There's really nothing in Hoke's resume that suggests he can be elite. That's why so many fans, including Brian, were so leery. We're looking at a 9-4, 8-5 season in year three.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Brady Hoke is Football's Version of Tommy Amaker||
He was the backup plan when we expected to hire a big name and whiffed at the last second. He was an assistant under a legendary coach and as a headcoach had one year where he unexpectedly saw some decent success. He's great off the field, but isn't elite. Because the guy before him was bad, he'll be given a longer tenure in order to maintain some stability and because his first year he did fairly well.
I expect after going two more 8-5 seasons we'll go after David Shaw, Harbaugh, etc
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Brady Hoke is Football's Version of Tommy Amaker||
He was the backup plan when we expected to hire a big name and whiffed at the last second. He was an assistant under a legendary coach and as a headcoach had one year where he unexpectedly saw some decent success. He's great off the field, but isn't elite. Because the guy before him was bad, he'll be given a longer tenure in order to maintain some stability.
I expect after going two more 8-5 seasons we'll go after David Shaw, Harbaugh, etc.
|7 weeks 4 min ago||Rich didnt know Bo||
|7 weeks 9 min ago||Whats the chances Rich rod and hoke have the same yr 3||
Hoke wont be fired, meanwhile rich has the same record currently in the vastly superior pac 12.
|7 weeks 8 hours ago||For DC?||
For HC, not even close. MSU would be crushed by the top 10 teams. Michigan having a bad HC and OC (the two sdsu guys) doesnt mean hes good.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||This has been the worst Big Ten possibly ever||
And they still haven't been able to win it. He doesn't recruit well and he doesn't scheme that well.
They have beaten one team with a winning record this year. Last year they went 7-6 and four of those wins were by less than 4 points. His two great seasons came because Michigan and Ohio were going through a coaching transition in 2011 and they missed Ohio in 2010.
If you're going to hire a DC you'd go with Wilcox at Washington or Venables at Clemson.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Yzerman versus Barry||
I'll take Miggy. He's gotten us to the playoffs and the World Series.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||What would you say was the worst?||
Definitely worse than the AL West and East.
I guess the NL West was pretty bad.
|9 weeks 3 hours ago||Best lineup in baseball, best staff||
Since winning the AL weve had 15 playoff games and scored 3 or less 10 times. We played in the worst division in baseball with the best roster and had no homefield advantage.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Yes||
Go get Eric Kiesau. Maybe he's taken some cues from Sark about transitioning from huddle to no huddle while still running traditional offense.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Trade Prince to a team like the Mariners or Astros||
Move Castellanos to 3rd, Miggy to first, go get Granderson, or with the money, take a run at Beltran.
Two years in a row is enough.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||We hired a guy with an overall losing record||
He went 10-2 against the easiest schedule in decades, which I"m not sure Rich Rod wouldn't have done as well, and he's a good recruiter.
We have a poor man's Les Miles, but at least he loves Michigan.
We are the Targaryens.
|10 weeks 3 hours ago||4 seasons ago||
|10 weeks 4 hours ago||what do you mean?||
Lloyd beat penn state, won the big ten, and won road games.
I would love to have Lloyd type of teams. His last season we went 9-4 with a loss to OSU and Oregon. App St was a bad loss, sure, but that team beats Akron and probably UCONN this year by more than we did. Season before that we went 11-2 and went to the Rose Bowl.
|10 weeks 5 hours ago||Road wins against .500 teams remains at 0 for Hoke.||
Three years. 0 wins. 6-7 Northwestern is our best road win.
|10 weeks 6 hours ago||Number of Hoke road wins against .500 or better teams?||
|10 weeks 2 days ago||We win||
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Unlike basketball||
Big Ten teams havent hired good football coaches. See the Pac 12, theyve done in football what Big Ten did in basketball.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||foster didnt have enough money for food!||
But had the energy to lift weights year round and run for hundred yard games in the SEC.
Yeah, that's why he took money.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||same ref screwed Washington few yrs back||
Washington had a miraculous comeback against BYU he overturned a td because Locker didn't hand him the ball after scoring a td.
|15 weeks 15 hours ago||And extending Beilein||
And turning Crisler into a great basketball arena that brings in top talent, and getting Greg Mattison,....
|16 weeks 4 days ago||They cover important stories||
Only when it suits them and their viewpoint.
Like everyone else.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||You recruit a good QB every year for a reason||
Play him. Win now, worry about QB 5 years from now in a few years.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||As has been noted, this isn't a new story||
No charges happened. So basically we're posting opinion pieces from a website no one's heard of that impune our players for a crime.
Is the OP the editor of this site or the author of the article?
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Right||
Click the link.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe he could have played baseball?||
Look, we live in a gigantic country with millions of people. Every physical activity has a risk of serious injury, from hiking to running, to baseball and football. Put the two together and you'll get a tragic story once in awhile.
Does that mean we shouldn't feel bad when it happens? No, of course not. This is a sad thing that happened. It also doesn't mean we need to reevaluate it. Over a million kids play high school football.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Give him a scholarship then||
We gave one to Jim.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Why?||
He's using his preferred walkon spot to garner good publiity, which is why they are there. He'll bet in one ime, make a baket and ESPN will go nuts (even though its not unprecedented)
This is Michigan, our one-armed athletes get scholarships, win the equivalent of the Heisman, and play 10 years in the pros: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Abbott
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Studies of concussions and football show it's a small percentage||
No one ever reports that 80% or more of football players have little problem and 90% have just minor problems. Oddly enough, football players who live to be 70 and die normally don't get reports about them.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Silent Auction||
Then figure out what to do with the money. Person who bids the most gets first pick, person who bids the least gets last pick.
If you really want to make it interesting. Say that the person who bids the most gets 2nd pick and a portion of the money, with second highest bid getting first pick.
|22 weeks 4 hours ago||Meh||
Outside of closer, is there any position we would upgrade? First, no. Second? No. Short. Not really. Third. Obviously not. Right? No. Center? No. Left...maybe, I guess. Ace? No. Number two? No. I guess you could try to get cliff lee or something for Fister? Would we do that? No.
So...we need a closer. They play 162 for a reason.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||...||
And were the only team other than OSU to be undefeated...
|23 weeks 6 days ago||I get we're spooked||
I understand that he would have won the national title in his first year at OSU had there not been a bowl ban, but these Meyer posts have to stop. As an SEC coach he acted like an SEC coach. Why is that surprising?
None of these stories really affect OSU or Meyer now. We'll be fine regardles of what Meyer does or doesn't do.
|26 weeks 17 hours ago||Seattle is a perfect town for hockey||
Don't forget that Shultz tried to buy the team back after it'd been shown that Bennett lied.
The city is starving for a winter pro sport. We're talking about a city that averages 35,000 for soccer.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Stanford||
If she can go to Harvard she could probably go to Stanford. They've put themselves into a position to make this century their own.
Stanford is the academics of Harvard with the culture of the Pac 12.
|29 weeks 15 hours ago||Gus Johnson||
the answer is always gus johnson.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||To be fair||
The regents are in and of themselves "politics."
|29 weeks 4 days ago||Sure||
My only point is that these recruits have different priorities and are a lot more sophisticated than they're given credit for. The Ole Miss thing was just the most recent "OMG something happened at school X that is completely unrelated to the football team that's going to hurt the football team."
|29 weeks 4 days ago||This reminds me of the Ole Miss Racist Protest||
People said "why would any black athlete go to Ole Miss, they have a student group that said racist things! This is going to kill their recruiting!"
They ended up having the number 7 class in the country. It turns out that these recruits have different priorities than random student groups.
You really think that a recruit is going to say, boy I like Michigan, Brady Hoke, Mattison, etc, the facilities, the teachers, the campus, the stadium, my future teammates, the academic center, the possibility of having a top degree, playing in The Game, going to the Rose Bowl....but, their radio guy wrote a crappy article almost no one read saying we shouldn't get bent out of shape over a golfer making a stereotype out of fried chicken and Tiger Woods.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||If they wanted to use their position to write for newspapers||
They could get one. And they teach at the University of Michigan, so their classes are filled with a plethora of diversity, some of whom no doubt are offended (sometimes on purpose as a teaching method!!!).
It is an ill concieved article trying to say that Spanish people don't understand American sensibilities to stereotypes based on "ethnic" food, especially those stereotypes that are connected to slavery/racism and that Americans shouldn't be so sensitive to those outside of America breaking those sensibilities.
It's not that big of a deal for anyone who actually takes a deep breath and thinks about it. Ethnic foods exist and someone from Europe made a stereotype about it. There are much more controversial things happening that are connected to Michigan.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||Oh Please||
Employees of the university say much more controversial things routinely. Universities are open marketplaces of speech and ideas. Take a stroll through the offices of Haven or Lane Hall some time.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||I doubt UM is that concerned||
It's not like they didn't know that Frank is a political commentator. He thought he had a smart commentary on ethnic food being used to stereotype different people and trappings of political correctness. He missed the mark.
By the time of his next editorial it won't even be remembered.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||From Red Cross||
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Spring JV football||
played by Freshmen and sophomores, 6 games all in the Big Ten.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||Ok, thanks for the advice||
|33 weeks 2 days ago||That's what I figured||
Thanks for your help. I knew people on here would be able to give a well explained answer.
Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm sure I was being overly worrisome, but I just wanted to be sure (I'm a historian who took 0 science classes, etc).
Mods, if you're still awake please delete; I don't want to take away from relevant topics.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||6;4 195||
slightly above average metabolism, I'd assume.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||I've tried||
Like I said, this was the only place I could think of where I could possibly get a dr's take. Trust me this is the last place I came to.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||These young guys on the other hand||
growing up fast!
|33 weeks 2 days ago||Gives up two or three cheap ones a series||
Extending him was an awful move.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||howard can't close in playoffs||
Never has been able.
|34 weeks 2 days ago||Why would anyone naysay Vandy||
We ended up with Rutgers, who's much worse academically and athletically than Vandy.
|36 weeks 5 days ago||every single loss minus psu was like this||
We're young and not really that tough. I think beilein made a huge mistake in sitting burke for so long and he didn't make any defensive adjustments for the most part.
|37 weeks 8 hours ago||what uniforms arebwe wearing||
Yes, its minor, but I hoping its not camo.
maize on maize?
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Desmond Left Early||
But I'm pretty sure he, like Juwan Howard, graduated.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Not Before Novak||
and definitely not before Juwan. Getting your degree should mean something, not everything, but definitely something.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||To be fair to Syracuse||
Beilein has never beaten Boeheim, which is a tad startling.
However, Beilein has never had a team this good, either.
|38 weeks 4 days ago||Doom||
|38 weeks 6 days ago||NOT FOR LA SALLE!||
Never stop exploring.
|39 weeks 16 hours ago||We Must Keep Calm||
We must maintain proper order, not letting these Jacobins from VCU wreak their havoc and create chaos.
-Trey Edmund Burke
|39 weeks 6 days ago||Nice||
My wife grew up in Albany. We'll definitely be rooting for them as well.
|39 weeks 6 days ago||This is right||
All the games they lost were to teams that had good guards. They're a good version of Arkansas. I also like that NC State could knock off Kansas.
|39 weeks 6 days ago||I'm much more concerned about SD State than VCU||
We match up well against VCU, ND State? Not so much.
|39 weeks 6 days ago||Really worried about ND St||
Think we'll handle VCU fine if we get past Wolters.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||We are a team that gets upset in the Sweet 16||
We should play a weak 13 or a 14 seed and then beat whomever we have next because it'll be a middling Big East/ACC/Pac 12 team.
The team just isn't that tough. Eventually they'll play a team that will punch them in the mouth and back down, give up O rebounds, and jack threes and hope they go in.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||Don't Wear Stupid Jerseys||
It had nothing to do with the loss, but it makes it hurt more.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||puts pressure on the other team||
Also kills a sec or so on the clock.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Am I the only guy who hates having no ft rebounders?||
I've never understood not having at least two.
|42 weeks 3 days ago||Does it seem like the top teams keep losing in the same week?||
IU, Florida, PSU, Miami (yes, that Miami)
|42 weeks 3 days ago||Zack Novak||
He was one of my favorites, and I think he helped bring us back to prominence. And now it feels that despite those feelings I may have underappreciated him.
Was he really the guy that held the defense together?
|42 weeks 4 days ago||It happens in football all the time||
I can think of a few occassions just in the last few years where bad calls by the ref helped or hurt Michigan or the Lions.
Iowa 2011, the Sugar Bowl, the pylon touchdown against MSU, the Calvin Johnson noncatch against the Bears, etc.
|43 weeks 14 hours ago||*||
|44 weeks 4 days ago||We had guns in our apartment||
One roommate had a pistol he had due to being in the military. The other roommate had a couple rifles, though I can't remember if he had his semi-automatic one with him ("assault rifle" is more or less used by politicians today to mean semi-automatic, but I think the original meaning meant fully automatic M-16s).
I think it's pretty dependent on where you're from. I found that gun ownership at UM was pretty similar to gun ownership at Rice in Texas.
|44 weeks 4 days ago||What could go wrong?||
I have the feeling that posting a story about a murder suicide with a title that seems like it's a mass shooting isn't going to go well.
|45 weeks 4 hours ago||I bought a case of Whole Foods Merlot||
I'm on the second bottle.
|45 weeks 11 hours ago||Wisconsin routinely does well in the Dance||
They went to the Sweet 16 last year before losing to the Number 1 seed by one point.
The year before that they lost to Butler in the Sweet 16. MSU routinely does better in the tournament because they manhandle people in the tournament. The Big Ten is tough, we lost because of a halfcourt shot and missed layups, not because of the refs.
|45 weeks 1 day ago||The McGurk Effect Is Fun||
If you're looking at past your bedtime it sounds like past your bedtime, if you're looking at How's your grandma is sounds like that.
Past Your Bedtime
Hows your grandma
|45 weeks 3 days ago||You haven't been to Oxford, MS||
There's a reason why pictures of girls are what pop up when you google just "Ole Miss."
|46 weeks 3 days ago||Michigan Wins!||
IU can't break the zone after jumping out to an early lead.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Apparently Virginia Isn't In The South Anymore||
Who'd have thought?
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Keep Up The Good Work||
Love the Tshirt.
|46 weeks 5 days ago||While there are tragic stories||
The problem isn't nearly as big as it's made out to be.
For those with serious problems, there are 10 that are fine and 4 with mild issues. Football is around a 150 years old; it's not as if it's some new sport. Physically violent sports have always been part of human culture, if it's not football it'll be something else. That doesn't make the tragic cases ok, but it also isn't as much of a pandemic as its being made out to be.
1. I'd let my kid play football in high school and explain to him the ramifications and possibility of injuries and explain that despite the fact that I love football, I chose to play a different sport in part because I didn't like the idea of being battered. Football is like smoking, you know the risks, but I'm not going to tell my kids, once they're old enough to understand, how to live their lives.
2. Football will survive as it has for over a century. The president threatened to ban it in the early 1900s and changes were made. Changes will continue to be made to helmets, rules, etc, but it'll still be a brutal sport where guys get hurt. My guess is that eventually they'll test players for CTE and they'll be forced into retirement to cover the NFL's liabilities.
3. I'd go back to leather helments, which would offer protection but probably end killshots. If not that, then force every NFL player to have brain scans for damage.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||The players make more money with those games as well||
But here's the thing, the stories don't represent the actual numbers. NFL players do have a higher rate of problems than the normal population, but it's not nearly as big of a gap as it's been made out to be. You could have 8 or 9 stories of guys being fine or having minor issues for every terrible one.
To be honest, there are a lot of jobs that pay a heck of a lot worse that have long-term effects. I wish Leroy the best, and I think it's terrible that some people have problems, but I guess I just don't see why anyone would be shocked that playing 10 years in the NFL isn't good for you.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||No Way||
Coack K says that he'll let the AD pick, but I doubt that he doesn't lobby for one of his assistants.My guess is Jeff Capel.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||It won't be Kentucky or Kansas before us||
UNC or Duke are likely. I expect Coach K to name a successor from his staff. UNC definitely a possibility, my guess is that they'd go after Smart, style of play matches UNC a little better.
If he goes to any non-Big Ten team my guess is Louisville.
Self is 50 and he's not going anywhere. Calipari is 53.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Not Big Ten, but Midwestern||
Brad Stevens. It's only a matter of time before he's at IU, Ohio, UM, MSU, Purdue right?
I'm not saying that it's going to be anytime soon, but he's only 36. I'd love nothing more than for us to give him whatever he wants in 6 or 7 years when Coach Beilein hangs them up.
|48 weeks 1 day ago||Tubby Smith||
Does it seem like Tubby is slowly transforming into a actual gopher?
|48 weeks 2 days ago||ooooohhhhh||
That's what he's trying to say.
|49 weeks 1 hour ago||You are wrong||
In 1989 the state of Michigan became the center of the basketball universe. Michigan won the national title in March and the Pistons won the NBA title in June. A couple years later a phenomenon came to Ann Arbor that affected a generation both in terms of their attachment to baskebtall and culturally. White suburban kids who loved Michigan were being shaped by a group of college students from the city (Chicago and Detroit mostly). We didn't know or think anything of it, we loved basketball the way they did. Those kids saw that group become the number 1 team in the country.
Ten years later, when that generation who watched the Fab 5 was college age those freshmen became indicted in a scandal that was called one of the worst in history. For a couple year we couldn't even go to the tournament. It hurt when those banners came down. To make matters worse, we became so paranoid about cheating that instead of being Michigan we tried ot become Duke. But, every year, in the back of our heads, we thought; we remembered, that it only took one class to get Michigan Basketball where it belonged. Every year we waited, knowing it could happen, that it should happen.
Beilien, first with Manny and then with Novak, showed us that we could be respectable. We could compete agaist the best, but it didn't feel like it should. We were still the underdog upsetting someone better, a team being dragged down by its past rather than one that reveled in it. This team is something that people born in the mid-80s have been waiting for. Being number 1 in the country means something. Beating our major rival on the road to do it is even more meaningful.
It's been too long.
|49 weeks 8 hours ago||It's almost poetic||
We're playing to be the number 1 team in the country, over Duke, against our archrival during theyear that the final ramifications of the Fab 5 finally go away.
|51 weeks 3 days ago||What's the offtopic policy?||
What's the offtopic policy?
In the offseason, offtopic posts are tolerated. During football season they are discouraged and may be subject to removal depending on how alert the moderators are. What counts as on- and off- topic?
|51 weeks 3 days ago||Is This Really Happening?||
Please, please tell me that this isn't happening.
I'm a fan of musicals and Broadway (although I think Les Mis is incredibly overrated), but:
|1 year 1 day ago||Jets||
|1 year 6 days ago||Don't forget La Salle||
I wish the 4 non-ivy Big 5 teams would be in the same conference.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Randy Walker was not a "good coach"||
He was a very average coach who was likable and died tragically. He had one year where he tied in a three-way tie for first. Northwestern "won" the Big Ten while being unranked because they managed to upset us and not play OSU. They went to the Alamo Bowl.
Outside of that one year he had one other year with a winning season where he went 7-5.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||The good guys didn't get poached from MAC schools||
Kelly was at Cinci before ND.
Saban was the Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator before he went to Sparty, he was at Toledo for one year.
Randy Walker had a losing record in the Big Ten, even if you remove his first season.
Urban was at Utah, then Florida
Hoke was at SDSU
Who exactly are you talking about? Almost no one goes from the MAC to a big time program and succeeds.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Hoke was hired from SDSU||
and Bo was hired 50 years ago. It's not the 1960s anymore.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||All the other Big Ten, or Big Ten Related Coaches have won||
It's time for the Big Ten to start doing what it did in basketball and start hiring some good coaches. Hopefully Wisconsin can hire Petersen or Patterson and doesn't go after some MAC guy or something.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Why does the Big Ten make all that money again?||
We're destroying traditions and expanding to make money, right? So, why is it that the conference doesn't pony up for football (except OSU who's dominated the conference).
Thankfully it looks like we're starting to realize that we need to spend money on coaches to win, but the rest of the conference is a joke.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Hopefully||
I hate to see these kids leave the team and not graduate.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||We could really use Purdue making a good hire||
We need to do what we did. In basketball. Isnt that the point of all this money with expansion?
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Dan Hawkins had Justin Wilcox and Petersen as coordinators||
Didn't bring either to colorado.