there would have to be some to wash away
|13 hours 47 min ago||So 4 games here under Hoke does away with everything else?||
Despite being in his early 40s Nussmeier has served as a good OC at Washington and Alabama, which won the national title and was one of the best offenses in the country. It might be good to have someone with a little more outside experience at the helm.
|15 hours 4 min ago||Lloyd's biggest failure is not supporting Rich Rod||
Whether or not he wanted to, and whether or not he was angry about his guys not getting interviewed, he needed to come out and support Rich Rod the way that Bo supported him when he was floundering.
He didn't and that's one of the many reasons we're here today. (Yes, Rich should have been more gracious, etc).
|15 hours 7 min ago||Why not do what USC did?||
We have a guy considered to be an up and comer in Nussmeier, why not give him 8 games and get rid of the hotseat story for the rest of the season (and also see what he can do)?
|1 day 7 hours ago||Brady Hoke stepped in at a great time||
Rich Rod had been building a team and we finally had a dynamic upperclassman QB and a weak schedule, possibly the weakest in decades. He couldn't have come in at a better time. If I remember right, we played one ranked team that entire season (and still lost to the two winning teams we played on the road).
|1 day 8 hours ago||Completely agree||
Nuss would be a good interim and there'd be a good goal: win the Big Ten and it's yours. Nuss will be a head coach in the next few years. We don't have anything to lose and it could keep our recruiting from cratering.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Nuss is an excellent coach||
His offenses at Washington and Alabama were both very good and had Petersen declined UW he would have gotten that job. He has a good track record. It's fairly clear that Hoke is the problem.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Denard||
the most frustrating thing about not giving Rich Rod a 4th year (prefably with Casteel) against that weak schedule. I think Denard would have won the Heisman and put up incredible numbers. That he singlehandedly was our offense for 2 years under Hoke really is a testament to him.
|2 days 1 hour ago||it sucks that Hoke isn't good because he loves UM like we do||
But this man is making millions of dollars ( and will get more millions to go away), He is the 8th highest paid coach in college football. I'm happy he loves Michigan, but I can guarantee you he doesn't love it enough to give that money back.
The man was given a massive amount of money despite having no real record of accomplishment (his best season was finishing second in the MAC). He got a shot he probably didn't deserve and failed. I don't feel too bad.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Here's how you stop that||
Don't get your ass kicked by Utah. That's how you do that. Not ushers. I've been to games where the opposing team had their mascot in the stands pumping up their fans and it didn't matter, because, you know, we were winning...by a lot.
If we've reached the point where we're whining about the other team's mascot, we're in really bad shape. Really, really bad shape.
|2 days 5 hours ago||John Beilein is a perfect example||
You shouldn't fire coaches with good track records because of a mediocre third season. He also shows how powerful Michigan can be when we don't have a team built on a rigid ethos that declares that there's only one way to do thing.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Read the book Buddenbrooks||
That's the tale of Michigan football.
|2 days 6 hours ago||I've been watching Washington for about 7 yrs||
Nuss is an excellent coach and had Petersen turned down UW he would have gotten the job. I think right now the best case scenario is firing Hoke and giving Nussmeier an 8 game trial. If not that, I'd imagine that John Harbaugh may be looking for somewhere to go after that ESPN report. Mattison was his DC at the Ravens and would keep continuity.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Yeah||
I mean, it's not like Hoke has two top QB recruits and both a struggling. I mean, these kids should automatically be good and don't need coaching at all.
|2 days 14 hours ago||It's because of basketball||
Our athletes are spread among basketball and football, which is one of the reasons why we're so good at basketball. In the South, for various cultural reasons, football is the sport you play.
|4 days 11 hours ago||Biggest? No.||
|1 week 4 days ago||He played for a MAC Championship||
I'd say that any game that would put him into a championship contention or a big time nonconference game. Extra points for a rival on the road (which he's 0-5). Hoke has struggled to beat good teams his entire career.
The only time I can remember him really handling a good team was the Nebraska game his first year. Both ND games felt like we were bailed out. I remember looking it up last year, but I think in 11 years of coaching he's only beaten a team that finished ranked 5 or 6 times (all at home).
|1 week 4 days ago||He's innovative without being dogmatic||
That's the genius of Beilein whether it be going away from the 1-3-1 but still practicing it enough to use in case we need it (like we did against Kansas a couple years ago) to teaching kids how to shoot the ball correctly (which is why he has the ball he created).
|1 week 4 days ago||The problem isn't that elite coaches don't have bad losses||
It's that those bad losses are made up with many more elite wins. Hoke has zero elite wins...ever. Even before he came to Michigan he had no elite wins or big upsets. He's the only coach we've ever hired from the outside who had not won a conference title before they got to Michigan.
|1 week 4 days ago||Dantonio took over a tire fire||
Hoke took over a team with talent on it and an easy schedule. Dantonio won the Big Ten in his 4th year and 9 games in his second year. Hoke has lost as many games to MSU in 3 years that Dantonio has in 7. This is not a let's wait and see if he can build a program moment, Hoke walked into a decent situation, especially considering the turmoil OSU was in.
|1 week 4 days ago||I agree||
But it is what it is.
|1 week 5 days ago||So...we have a long history||
Cool so does Rome.
One of our biggest problems is that we're so obsessed with the past that we have stopped innovating. Michigan had 11 national titles! (1/2 of one since 1948).
We have 42 big ten titles! (1/2 in a decade).
Little brother lol! (We haven't scored a TD against MSU in over two games and haven't scored a TD. at ND in 2 games)
We've beaten OSU twice since 2001.
What exactly is the Michigan of old? Yost and Crisler innovated rather than saying This Is Michigan! (Tm). If you want to point to Bo, that's great, I love him too, but realize that none of those 11 titles you brag about belong to him. He was King of the Big Ten in an era that it was important, but outside of the Midwest few are impressed.
We are never going to be good again simply because Yost, Crisler, Bo, and Lloyd were. Michigan is good when it uses its powerful tradition to be new and leading.
|2 weeks 14 hours ago||At this point||
You're not going to get a big name who's not an alum (or John Harbaugh, who's basically one), I think. If you're Art Briles or Kevin Sumlin, there's no reason to leave their situation, especailly after what happened to Rich Rod.
An big name outsider would have to understand Michigan's prima donna outlook the way Bo did (and theyway Rich didn't). If Les will coach for 6-8 more years, you have to do it.
As for smaller name guys. I've been impressed with Beau Baldwin at Eastern Washington, but he's from California. Craig Bohl has Big Ten ties and was great at NDSU. I just don't see how the football alum and AD insiders allow a hire like that after Hoke goes 9-4 this year.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||Shaw is vastly overrated||
He always gets outschemed by good teams.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||This will go well||
Let's talk in 10 weeks.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||You'd be correct if you'd written that 2 years ago||
It's year 4. He didn't walk into a situation where there were 50 freshmen. He walked into a situation with some pretty good guys on the team. Hell, he had a first and third round draft pick offensive lineman on the team last year. This team isn't that young, especially compared to our rivals.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, not so much||
In today's media everyone would gave known who Bo was. He won the MAC twice and finished second three times. He was 40-17-3 and was in his mid-30s.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||This Post Could Be Posted After Any Road Loss Over Last 4 Years||
In four years Brady Hoke's Michigan teams have scored a grand total of 2 touchdowns at Notre Dame and Michigan State (those 2 touchdowns are from 2011 and happen to also be the last time we scored a touchdown against MSU).
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team away from the Big House that finished the regular season with a winning record. Even when he went 10-2 he lost on the road to the two teams that finished the regular season with a winning record. His best road win is at Illinois and that team finished 7-6 (6-6 regular season).
This is year 4: it's not a coincidence anymore or an injury problem or bad luck or youth. It's a trend.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Carroll wasn't a failure||
He won the division in his first year, went to the Wild Card the year after and then went 8-8.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I feel similar to you||
My wife noticed that I don't get fired up about losses the way I used to for football and still do for basketball and asked me why. After thinking about it, it's because I just don't see Brady Hoke as either an inspirational type of figure (like Lloyd) or a genius of some kind (like Beilein and to an extent, Rich Rod, at least on offense). It doesn't feel like we're going anywhere.
For me, Brady Hoke is exactly what Brian thought he was during the coaching searches: he's a .600 coach who beats bad teams, competes with decent teams, and gets blown out by good teams. He succeeds by winning home games and pulling an upset at home, but isn't going to do that on road.
I've also realized that the thing I like about Brady Hoke is that he loves Michigan the way I do, but that can only get me so far, I guess. I'm only 30, so I wasn't around for Bump, but from talking to folks that were around back then, that's exactly who Hoke is. A Michigan Man who's an average coach.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||His personality is more suited for college||
I've been wondering if that'd happen. In college the coach is god, in the NFL the star players are. Harbaugh's personality probably works better in college because the maximum years that a player will spend with him is 5.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Chances are||
We go 8-3 with a shot at OSU on the road. The Big Ten being dreadful has helped Hoke keep his job and if we can beat a winning team on the road once we could have a chance at the division at OSU.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Wearing the headset for Hoke||
Is what wearing a tie was for Amaker, which makes sense because they both got the Michigan job based on one pretty good season and recommendation from a well-liked coach they worked for.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||In what regard isn't MSU our Little Brother||
Institutionally, they are, in fact, our little brother. The university is younger than ours and it is univerally acknowledged that Michigan is a better school. I attended MSU for a semester before going to UM. They are, in every way, from the libraries and academic environment to the student body, the little brother. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
It's not just about football. It never has been, which is why the comment received so much traction.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I tend to agree with you||
But realize that the teams you mentioned have pretty much dominated college football the last few years. I also didn't say he's a bad recruiter. He's basically driving a Ferrari and hitting the gas on straightaways. Recruiting is the thing he's best at, but it's also fairly clear that he's not the best recruiter in the Midwest.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I don't get why people act as if he's killing it in recruiting||
He's a good recruiter, but he's not outstanding. He's been outrecruited by OSU every single year. He routinely has the third or fourth best class in the Big Ten. He's gotten some good players (Peppers is probably going to be an all-time great), but let's not kid ourselves here, he's not a better recruiter than Kelly or Urban. He's had two good classes and in both years OSU did better.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||It all depends on the alternative||
If we go 8-4, 9-3 and lose to OSU and MSU, AND someone like Jim orJohn Harbaugh, or some other no brainer, is available, then of course we'd be fools to not hire them. Hoke's at the point where only a clear upgrade would be worth changing coaches (assuming he continues his trend of being a .540% winning coach).
We're at the point where the next hire has to be the perfect one. Here's hoping that means we're just bumping up Nuss in a few years after Hoke has a successful run, but we can't do what we did with Rich Rod and just start making changes to make a change.
|8 weeks 15 hours ago||Loved Nuss since he was at Washington||
Still unnerved by the fact that Hoke's never beaten a top 20 team on the road in his career and we'll have 3 of those games this year.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Lifetime scholarships||
A minor league football and basketball league funded by the pro leagues and commitment/eligibility rules similar to college baseball. Players get a cut of all sales from likeness being used.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||your premise is wrong||
Sports does not affect enrollment, quality, and university profile in any meaningful way. Study after study shows that small upticks in applications immediately go back down within a very short period. FGCU would have many more applications from having a top biochemistry major than if they became Duke basketball overnight.
At the end of the day, very few people choose their college because of sports. That's especially true for public universities. The Flutie Effect is short term.
The reason why low-level universities have football is precisely because it's something fun to do (and funded by alumni), not because they believe it will help them fulfill their academic mission or raise their university profile.
Academics, researchers, and prospective students are aware of schools like Butler, VCU, and FGCU already because they have motivation to do so. That's who raises academic profiles, not someone who likes sports and recognizes their mascot. I understand that it's counterintuitive, but every single examination of the topic bears that out. If football became banned tomorrow, Michigan would continue to be Michigan and the student body would simply find something else to do on Saturdays. Our enrollment would be pretty much the same, as would our applications, etc.
You should think about your premise not from the lower end of the academic scale, but from the higher one. If sports had a meaningful impact on your university profile the Ivy League would be the SEC and schools like Washington U, Cal Tech, MIT, etc would all pour as much money into their teams as Texas. Those schools obsess over having elite profiles and have boatloads of dollars at their disposal.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||You couldn't be more wrong||
Let's take Butler. Butler was founded in 1855, nearly 150 years before they had major success in basketball. Sports has nothing to do with its existence or the quality of education it provides. You think they're random because you don't know about them outside of sports, but that doesn't make them random.
None of these institutions need sports to survive. A great example of this is Chicago. Another, though less drastic, example of this is Rice University. They have a stadium that hosted a Super Bowl because they were great in the 50s and 60s, but recently the football team has been awful and no one goes to games (though last year they won a conference title for the first time in decades). Despite having an AD that performs poorly outside of baseball, the university has consistently done well, both academically and fundraising.
Sports is a side thing universities do for fun, it has little effect on their existences.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Study after study has shown that to be untrue||
If anything, it takes away from academic donations because the AD is separated from the general fund, but they can offer something to give away, which academic departments can't.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||I'm an academic too||
Most of the folks I know would happily discard sports if it became something that went against, or at least hindered, the academic mission. You're probably like me and found other academics who like sports tend to hang out with each other. For every one of us, there's two who don't like sports and one who couldn't care less.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Academics approach college football like an alien topic||
They know people care about it, but they don't really understand why, especially in an academic setting.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||He's right, it's not.||
Nearly none of the faculty believe that Michigan must be in the football business. This is what Brian misses in the union discussion. Most academics couldn't care less about football or sports in general. Very few like it, some more tolerate it, and most dislike its connection to academic instutions.
College football exists because of the connection between alumni and current students that it creates. If football players become treated like employees, and thus separated from the student body, you'll start to see teams get shut down because there would be no justification for their existence (this is true even for schools where that connection is simply fiction in reality today, once the veil is torn those schools would have a difficult time justifying the playing of football.).
Nearly all of these universities were created long before college football existed. The large majority of those in charge of the academic wings of these universities would have no problem if the universities at which they administrate and teach no longer played sports. If Michigan dropped its athletic department tomorrow the academic wing would be negligibly affected (and if it would be, we're doing something very wrong).
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Thankfully the regents have more sense than Brandon||
Hopefully this begins the pushback before the entire Michigan football experience becomes foreign to nearly all of the alumni.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||More ads, more piped in music||
Less tradition that connects generations.
|10 weeks 13 hours ago||When does the Ferris Wheel go in?||
If we're going to make Michigan football into an NFL game with worse athletes, at least sell beer and go all the way.
What time is the start time going to be? 530?
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Yep||
He almost cost us the win against Ghana at the end doing the same thing he did against Portugal. All he had to do was not turn it over for like 15 more seconds. Very frustrating.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||We've beaten Iowa once in the last 5 years||
Why is it surprising that a team that's 4-1 against us over the last half decade has better odds?
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Woodson||
Completely transforms the defense.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Burke and Webber||
with Cazzie as a sub.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Exactly what I was thinking||
Fister was a great trade. Ray's a good prospect and Krol is helping out in the bullpen.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Scherzer||
for shortstop and/or bullpen help.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Crisler, Denard, 2010 offense, 97 defense, 2014 schedule||
With a dollar to spare.
Then again, if Rich Rod had the 1997 defense I wouldn't have cared about what the schedule looked like.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Yes,||
That's why we got the number two pick overall in a year with Lebron, DWade, Bosh, while also playing in the Conference Finals.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think you know what alumni means||
Liking an organizations sports team is different than being a part of the organization, especailly when the university isn't in existence for its sports.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||The University Is Losing Its Sense of Self||
People will point to Brandon, but Brandon is more of a symptom rather than the cause. He was brought on because the school has become more focused on branding and money over the last decade. Under MSC it became very corporatized.
Michigan has decided that it wants to be Starbucks.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Most A&M Thing Ever||
The guy didn't even play in a BCS game.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||You're trying to tell me||
That people didn't know that banging your head against someone else's head might not be good for you? These studies aren't revealing anything we already didn't know, they're simply quantifying and confirming it.
As you stated, these studies have been coming out for about five years (though it's actually a little longer than that). Kids in college football do know (or at least should know) the risks, and they also can quit playing out of fear of those risks at any time. The newness of the studies have little effect on that decision.
The reason they don't is because it's an elevated risk rather than a certainty.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Sure||
I don't think there'd be too much of an objection to schools making sure these recruits are fully aware of the dangers of playing their chosen sport.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||No it's not||
Football is not addictive.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Then Don't Play||
Easy as that. There are a lot of other sports to play and watch.
No one forces anyone to play football. People have always known that football was a dangerous and rough sport.
|19 weeks 5 hours ago||Kangaroo Boxing Club||
That's the only Michigan bar that's left around here. I'm sure the alumni association will find someplace to go now that Bailey's is closed. KBC's food is amazing, though.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||well...||
Since it's only one Joe Dumars it would be Joe Dumars's.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||Brady won in college||
He always rose up to the occasion. He lost 5 games total. Savage had nothing like that success in college.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||This is probably a better tactic.|
|19 weeks 6 days ago||I hate to say this||
I work in DC and live in Arlington, I should be thrilled at the fact that this is happening, yet, I'm not. DC is an East Coast city that is the most insulated place in the country culturally. It's nearly 1000 miles from Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska.
I've loved college sports my whole life. I don't know if it's because I'm getting older and more removed from college (I'm 30) or if it's the continuous commercialization of Michigan under Brandon and the Big Ten under Delany, but I find myself moving away from liking college sports.
I like college sports because it's sports played between institutions with similar academic outlooks and traditions, mostly within the same region. It serves as a connection between alumni that came before and future students yet to come. But now, it feels like the atheletic wings of these insitutions are focused on money the way pro leagues are. I have four pro teams to root for, I don't need a 5th.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||Was on wine||
Too close for missiles, switching to Ardbeg.
|20 weeks 4 days ago||What happens if you say yes?||
and you DID buy an anti-telemarketing device?
|20 weeks 4 days ago||Predictions under Hoke are easy||
Which of these teams we play on the road will be ranked? Looks like 3.
9-3 with PSU and NW being a tossup.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||No.||
|21 weeks 1 day ago||So basically you think it's ok because you like his perspective||
Like I said, Zirin's an interesting writer, but the line drawn regarding politics here is if it directly involves Michigan, hence Chait's stuff appearing here once in awhile.
I agree that he raises legit questions and I understand why you'd want to post it here. I'm someone who works and participates in the questions Zirin likes to discuss, however something from The Nation isn't particularly useful to this blog, especially an article like the one you posted. It's not about Michigan, instead, it's about accusing a coach who doesn't coach for Michigan about breaking a law that currently doesn't apply to Michigan and was posted under the guise of asking a question, from a particular political point of view, that no one here was asking (did Fitzgerald violate the law?)
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Depends on the school||
And I've heard the exact opposite. If sports in general and football in particular affected grant money you'd see a lot more top universities with high powered athletic departments.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Get rid of the separate ADs and University Budgets||
That was always justified as a way to protect the school from the AD losing money, but now, because of TV deals, it's not as big of a problem. Instead, it's contributing to Athletic Directors like Dave Brandon hunting down donors, who could be giving to the schools academic wings, thus helping fulfill the mission of the university, and instead siphoning them off with tickets, etc.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||The reason why people are annoyed||
It's funny that the articles you chose to highlight, as a way to justify your post, include the word politics in their title, along with other politically loaded words. Zirin's a fine and interesting sports writer who writes for an inherently provactive political magazine. There are plenty of political blogs, and numerous political commentators, who love talking about sports. I know a lot of people enjoy coming here because it's an escapte from politics.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||The Nation||
It's not a political opinion piece, it's just asking questions:
|21 weeks 3 days ago||You're essentially arguing for different leagues||
Which is fine. You're also not talking about my point regarding the reasons that universities exist and how paying for a professional football team doesn't really jive with the mission of colleges. Universities don't exist to act as proxies for sports teams and the academic side is going to have a big problem if that's the direction this all goes.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||Oh, I'm not saying that it will help adjuncts||
It'll just hurt football.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||And when the academics ask why are we hiring football players||
and not paying adjuncts a living wage, and they decide that they shouldn't be doing that, what exactly do you think happens?
The connection between college football and college is that football was an extracurricular activity for students and its become this astronomical enterprise. Once athletes are essentially deemed employees who have to take classes as part of their job, there's a blatant disregard for the reason these universities exist in the first place.
I know you can argue that this is kind of the case now, but once it's out in the open I expect you'll see private universities, especially ones losing money on football, consider dropping it. It's hard to justify an academic institution losing money so that they can have a professional football team.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Two things||
Firstly, this is a discussion about football, which is costly and oftentimes a burden on athletic departments and is the driver of all of the debate about student employees, money, etc, not basketball.
Secondly, do you have any proof that Duke gets a better quality student because of basketball or are you just saying that? If sports drove up the quality of students, why wouldn't Chicago, Tufts, MIT, Washington, etc try to have great athletics. They could if they really wanted to do so. They have the money to make that kind of investment and have a commitment to landing the best students available.
Very few top students choose their school because of sports. Are there some? Sure, but we're talking about a very small group. I'll see if I can dig up one of the studies I saw awhile back that showed that at the upper tier of academics, sports had almost nothing to do with the quality of student.
Also, Duke has always been considered one of the best schools in the country. There are problems with the US News rankings, but they've been between 6-8 since 1983, which was before they became a dominant team under K. http://web.archive.org/web/20070908142457/http://chronicle.com/stats/usnews/
FInally, I'm not talking about Michigan, an elite public university that is inherently connected to the state of Michigan. Michigan (and MSU) football helps bring the people of the state together, nearly everyone in the state, regardless of where they went to college, has an opinion on one of the two teams because of its cultural value. Instead, I'm talking about Northwestern, an elite private university that has very few Walmart Wildcats (hence their stadium being so small) and doesn't need or really care if it's the flagship university of Illinois.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||The Reason Why Northwestern Football Alumni Are Terrified||
Academics at elite instutions are not supportive of football (or sports in general, but especially football). In fact, they think it wastes university resources and lowers the quality of the student body. While most people see sports as positive, adademic deans, administrators, and professors, for the most part, see it as a negative (or neutral at best).
The reason why Northwestern Football is so terrified of the union is because it really does give the academic side of the university a chance to strike against the athletic department. It's hard to say that extracurriciular activities being performed by students that have existed for nearly a century should be disbanded. Once student-athletes are deemed employees, there's no reason for academics to tolerate it. It becomes just like any other service provided to the university. It will immediately be painted as going against the academic goals of the institution. This is not like unionizing GSIs who contribute to academics and the teaching of undergraduates.
Brian has argued that the "people making this decision will be throwing away countless hours of free marketing, making their school less attractive to prospective students, and essentially firing themselves."
That's a major mischaracterization. Northwestern withdrawing from athletics would not be a case of people "firing themselves." Instead, it would be a case of the academic wing of the university firing the athletic department wing.
The belief that academics, deans, etc (the ones in charge) think that Northwestern somehow needs marketing from football to get top-flight prospective students is absurd. There are studies showing that resources being used differently actually leads to better results regarding school rankings, reputation, etc. They view their peers as Cornell, Dartmouth, etc. In the 1980s Northwestern openly considered joining the Ivy League. The issue was raised again a decade or so. The only reason they didn't leave is because they got vetoed by one of the existing Ivies (I think it was Cornell). Northwestern would drop D1 football and leave in a heartbeat if the Ivy League offered them a spot.
This comes from my experience as someone who is an academic and was involved in these debates at a school similar to Northwestern. I know MGoWife is an adjunct, I'd be interested to hear how she thinks her colleagues would react if football players became deemed employees of the university and started making more money than most adjuncts.
|23 weeks 1 day ago||You thank him for his post||
Then pick the position he lists twice for "player development" as a position where we haven't seen progress.
|23 weeks 1 day ago||1999||
They were better than both 2006 UM and last year's Sparty.
|23 weeks 1 day ago||This season is easy||
Hoke wins or he probably goes. Showing "progress" in year one against the easiest schedule in decades isn't going to save him if we go 7-5, 8-4 again. Some of the guys you listed are borderline silly. Campbell? He progressed so much he was drafted as an offensive lineman. Mike Martin was a senior when Hoke got him and one of the best players. Same with Kovacs. Jake Butt's entire career consists of 20 catches in 8 games.
You're arguing that 22-year-olds getting naturally better than when they were 18 is some kind of example of coaching, or at least something that every coach doesn't see happen.
The same "progress" of individual players happened with Tommy Amaker in basketball and his supporters kept saying wait till next year. Hoke has this year. His excuses have run out. I hope he succeeds and Nussmeier is the answer.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Be one of the best 500 or so in the class at something U's value||
They'll get a full scholarship and a stipend somewhere.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||And hence the importance of A Michigan Man||
"Around here we like to say things like 'I'm so glad Michigan doesn't do that.' I think it's time to stop that. The rule is arbitrary, the system inherently corrupt, and if Michigan has a shadow network of boosters my main problem with them is that they're not good enough at being shadowy and boostery."
This was the main problem with not having a guy who the boosters universally loved. I know that people don't want to hear it (I didn't either), and I definitely know that Brian could never go off of the hearsay that Bag Man operates in, but if you think that everyone else is doing this except us, you're kidding yourself.
When I was in grad school I got a tuition waiver and a stipend for being a TA and an RA. There's no reason you couldn't do that for athletes.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||If you replaced all D 1 athletes w/ D2 athletes||
Would the Big House be full? Would Crisler? The answer is almost assuredly yes. These money making ventures are much more from the name on the front rather than the back.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Lets make up for bad pick in not getting a UM guy||
By making a bad pick to pick a UM guy. The Pistons only keep the pick if it's in the top 8. There is no way that Stauskas a top 8 player in this years draft. I love the guy like everyone else here does, but he plays meh D and doesn't rebound.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||You won the regional||
It's a championship banner, which is why it's ridiculous that the Fab 5 don't have their first banner when they won their bracket with all eligible players.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||You won the regional||
It's a championship banner, which is why it's ridiculous that the Fab 5 don't have their first banner when they won their bracket with all eligible players.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||The Final Four Banner is a championship banner||
|25 weeks 3 days ago||And yet the Pistons don't get a pick unless its top 8||
|25 weeks 4 days ago||A quick response to Brian Regarding My Comment||
My comment stems from this quote:
"He further said that if the players won their fight, private institutions with high academic standards -- he specifically cited Duke and Stanford -- could abandon the current model in order to preserve academic integrity."
Brian says, " The people making this decision will be throwing away countless hours of free marketing, making their school less attractive to prospective students, and essentially firing themselves."
That's a mischaracterization of the issue for three reasons. Firstly, they would not be throwing away "free marketing." The entire point of the unionization effort is that the marketing gained from football shouldn't be free.
Secondly, that argument completely misunderstands the way most academics view athletics. To be succinct, they don't support football specifically and sports in general. Northwestern withdrawing from athletics would not be a case of people "firing themselves." Instead, it would be a case of the academic wing of the university firing the athletic department wing. That becomes much easier argument to make if football players are getting special treatment in relation to the rest of the student body.
Finally, the belief that academics, deans, etc think that Northwestern somehow needs marketing from football to get top-flight prospective students is absurd. Northwestern is not an elite university because of football marketing. There are studies showing that resources being used differently actually leads to better results regarding school rankings, reputation, etc. They view their peers as Cornell, Dartmouth, etc. In the 1980s Northwestern openly considered joining the Ivy League. The issue was raised again a decade or so by faculty. The only reason they didn't leave is because they got vetoed by one of the existing Ivies (I think it was Cornell). Northwestern would leave in a heartbeat if the Ivy League offered them a spot.
So yes, unionization could very much lead to Northwestern dropping football, at least at the D1 level.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Since Brian Put This On The Front Page||
And assumes that it's just out of the blue:
"He further said that if the players won their fight, private institutions with high academic standards -- he specifically cited Duke and Stanford -- could abandon the current model in order to preserve academic integrity."
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Completely agree||
I could definitely see Northwestern arguging that football athletes shouldn't get special treatment over all the other sports, etc and just dropping it the way Chicago did.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||This will help move football into 5 super conferences||
bye bye Boise.
|26 weeks 5 hours ago||Texas has an odd beer tariff||
Bell's won't go there. I lived in Houston for grad school, I suggest St. Arnold's. Not as good, but still decent.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||That's absurd.||
Craft would be our starting point guard this year if he was at Michigan. He'd start on every Big Ten team, except maybe MSU. We've gotten a little spoiled if we think Craft wouldn't play at Michigan.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||So what exactly is your quibble?||
You think that the media is making this average player into a superstar? The guys played 32 mins a game on a good Big Ten Program for years. The guy led his team to the Elite 8 last year and has set NCAA records for defense. His teams have competed for Big Ten titles every year except this year. Is he overhyped? Sure. So is every other main player on every other major program.
Morgan has always been a great role player. He's up there with Stu and Novak as guys who laid the foundation. But, he's not Aaron Craft.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||It's great if you're obsessed w/ race the way Chait is||
Aaron Craft isn't lauded because he's white. He's lauded for the following:
Sorry, I love Jordan Morgan, but that's not Jordan Morgan. Craft has had a great career, much better than most players in NCAA, regardless of his race. They talked about Bracey Wright in a similar way. The thing Chait does is write in a way that makes you think that Craft is getting unusual praise when in reality he's not getting any more praise than any other star player from a traditional powerhouse school.
That being said, the "angelic countenance" was totally absurd.
|27 weeks 16 hours ago||Mercer can play||
They've given some decent teams trouble.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||My wife insists that Spike looks like Scrat||
and Nik looks like Sid from the movie Ice Age.
That seemed like it should go here.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||The guys who didn't get paid have been needlessly screwed||
The Fab Five deserve to have a Final Four banner hanging in Crisler. You get a Final Four banner because you won your region, which the Fab Five did with all eligible players when they were freshmen. Webber's violations occurred during the Final Four, but after winning the regional championship. It makes little sense that the regional championship isn't recognized.
When I emailed Brandon he was kind enough to respond, but he basically said "I didn't make the decision, I don't know what to tell you." It's never made sense to me that the first Final Four doesn't count. (Yes, I get that the original banner said runner up, fine, just change it to Final Four.)
|29 weeks 4 days ago||I have no idea what your comment means||
The 1989 team doesn't need to go out and gin up recognition because they're champions. They're a run-of-the-mill tournament winner.
The Fab Five does have to go our and gin up media attention because they've been made victims of circumstance. They were a cultural movement, which always have a counter and which resides among a huge portion of the alumni base, and that caused them to lose a banner that they fairly won. Michigan big wigs want to ignore the Fab Five, unlike the 1989 team.
What does that have to do with last year?
|29 weeks 4 days ago||That's because they won the national title||
they're champions. The Fab Five are cultural icons.
Also the 1989 team didn't get their banner taken down even though they won their region with all eligible players.
|31 weeks 3 days ago||Ugh. Woodson, not Webber.||
sigh. Thought one thing typed the other.
|31 weeks 3 days ago||Here's mine, everyone forgets Willie Heston||
Football: Howard, Webber, Heston, Harmon
Baskebtall: Burke, Cazzie, Rudy, Juwan.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||hmmmmm||
I'll go with Tigers Baseball.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||I'm going to tell myself that it's to allow Lebron to pick||
Yep, I'm going to tell myself that.
What a debacle.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||Washington||
I went to grad school to get a phd in history. needless to say, there weren't too many colleagues of mine who liked sports, except my one buddy who's a Washington fan. The first few seasons it was a disaster, we lost to App State and then went 3-9. He went 0-12. But, we both stuck to it (we went to the Sugar Bowl, I'm hoping to fly out new Husky Stadium next year).
Washington's been a fun team to root for. They've got a ton of talent, they're university outlook is similar to Michigan's, etc. Pretty pumped to see what Petersen does.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||They do||
It's called a stipend. Being a research assistant is about the equivalent of being the water boy on an NFL team. Being a TA is about is like being the guy who cuts the film.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||That's because you're not an amateur||
As a former grad student, I can tell you, if you're not treating grad school as work, then you're not approaching it the right way. Football is an extracurricular activity, grad school (and the teaching associated with it) is not.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||This has always been something I've thought about||
If D1 teams were filled with D2 players, how many fans would watch? My guess is pretty much all of them.
|34 weeks 3 days ago||Put the First Final 4 banner back up||
They won that won without breaking any rules and with all eligible players, according to the investigation and ruling. (Webber became ineligible after winning the Elite 8 game, and thus their regional, but before playing the Final Four game)
Then move on.
|34 weeks 4 days ago||I'll Trade a healthy Dawson for a health McGary All Day||
Just win. They don't put 'but MSU was hurt' on the Big Ten banners.
|34 weeks 4 days ago||I really wish basketball had same eligibility rules as baseball||
Leave out of high school if you want, but if you play here, it needs to be 3 years.
|35 weeks 1 day ago||Or just have the Super Bowl on Saturday||
I've never understood why they can't do that.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Nothing says little brother like doing that||
Just like A&M referring to UT as "varsity" in their fight song.
|36 weeks 3 days ago||I do think it's a safe bet that the next coach will be 1 of 3||
Whenever it happens. It's safe to assume that It's either going to be a Harbaugh (if next year) or Nussmeier (down the road).
I became a Washington fan about 7 years ago (long story short: I was getting a PhD and the only other diehard college football guy in the program was a UW guy so we became devoted to each other's teams as well as our own). I've watched him a lot, Nussmeier's the real deal.
|36 weeks 3 days ago||Nebraska was 8-6 and at home||
They're a top 100 team in conference on the road. Kenpom had the game at -4 for Michigan. They have one bad loss: UAB.
Northwestern was a tirefire.
|36 weeks 5 days ago||Been a fan of Washington for 7 years||
Long story. But this is a freqking home run.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||It only looks similar if you think the following||
That close wins against 2012 Wisconsin, TCU, Boise, and Indiana are similar to three close wins against 2013 Northwestern, Akron, and UCONN.
Of course, they aren't close. Only the close win against IU in 2012 is comparable to our three close wins. Our best Big Ten win was against Minnesota. Theirs was against the Big Ten champion.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||LOL||
MSU went 7-6 last year with 4 close losses (3 against top 20 teams) and 2 close wins (over top 25 teams).
This year we had two blowout losses. 0 wins over top 25 teams and only 2 wins against teams with a WINNING record. Three miracle wins came aganist teams with a combined 13-24 record.
I hope you're right, but MSU is definitely not confirmation.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||Are we replacing our average coach with an elite one?||
If so, yes. I think that with a coach who can strategize during the game rather than simply just develop a plan and run into a wall when it doesn't work, then yes, we could see major improvement.
If we continue to have a headcoach who has never called a game at the college level, then no.
|37 weeks 10 hours ago||It all depends||
Has he consulted with Dave Brandon?
|37 weeks 1 day ago||LOL||
SDSU was 4-3 in the MWC, Nebraska was 5-3, both at home. NW was 3-5, 6-7. Hoke still has no road wins against a winning team.
|37 weeks 1 day ago||Because the coaches you cherry picked Are good||
And Hoke's first season had nine gimme games, ND, and two tough road games (which he lost). The other guys walked into decent situations and had flexibility with schemes, which allows for success against coaches you haven't coached against.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||This has always been a lame excuse||
The reason why the Big Ten isn't good is because of coaching, plain and simple. Some else mentioned it, but all you have to do is look at basketball. The Big Ten hired the best coaches, and now we're the best league. Look at the Pac 12 football. They all went out and hired great coaches, and now they're probably the best league.
Big Ten football is bad because it's insular and acts like it's still the 1970s (outside of OSU, who's dominated the Big Ten).
Here's the recent coaching hires before they came to the Big Ten:
Michigan: MAC/WAC coach.
IU: Oklahoma OC
PSU: Patriots OC (though now we'll see)
Wisconsin: Utah St
OSU: Florida (two time national champion)
One of these things is not like the other (and the other oddball, O'Brien, did about as well as you could expect).
Let's compare to basketball:
IU: Big East
Michigan: Big East
OSU A-10 (following an Elite 8)
Iowa: Sienna (after three straight tournament appearances)
Purdue: Big Ten Assistant
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Talking about Dantonio.||
As a response to name three coaches better.
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Jim harbaugh||
John Harbaugh (if he wants to coach college), Chris Petersen, Les Miles, Jimbo Fisher, Gus Malzahn....he's good, but he's still a half notch below the top, mostly due to recruiting.
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Except for the whole getting better every season||
Playing for conference titles, dominating their rival, and doing it all in a significantly better conference part.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||The Brady Hoke: Master Recruiter theme is getting tired||
We're currently number 20 in team rankings in Rivals. He's never had the best recruiting class in the Big Ten according to the Rivals rankings. He's a good recruiter, but he's not so good that he's unreplaceable. He's never beaten OSU in recruiting (even when they had a disaster year and we went to the Sugar Bowl) and he's beaten ND once.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||So were UCONN, AKRON, and NORTHWESTERN||
PSU has less than 60 scholarship players and a freshman QB. Here is Dantonio's year three:
Even their close Big Ten win was over 4-4 Purdue. Compare that to Hoke's. It's not close.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||I was talking about Dantonio's Year 3||
Which was in a much better Big Ten. Hoke's 7-6 in year 3 is way worse than Dantonio's in every respect.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Totally false||
The only bad team that Sparty had a close win against was IU last year. Their other close wins were Wisconsin in OT (who won the Big Ten) and TCU by 1. They dominated the bad teams and barely lost to the good teams.
Michigan, on the other hand, barely beat 5-7 Akron (on the last play of the game), 3-9 UCONN (on the last drive of the game), and 5-7 Northwestern (on a miracle field goal). We're much closer to being 5-7 than 9-3. The only truly decent/good teams that we played tough against was ND and OSU, and I guess Nebraska (though we only led briefly in that game).
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke went 3-5 in a terrible Big Ten||
Easily could have been 2-6 or 1-7. Dantonio's never done that. Dantonio's worst seasons had close losses and Big wins ( closest win was over PSU in 2007, last year one close win over Wisconsin and Iu). His 7-6 was alot different than Hoke's. In Hoke's 3rd season we're lucky to have gone to a bowl.
Dantonio beat bad teams and lost close to good teams. Outside of the crazy
|38 weeks 13 hours ago||not talking about year 1||
We're talking year three. Saban, Meyer, etc all achieved much more success in the first three years at their programs (Meyer and Saban have done it twice).
The problem with Hoke is that he gas little track record of success. He's never won a conference championship and his beat career road win is 8-4 Navy (or maybe Air Force). His first season at UM he had the easiest schedule possibly ever and lost 2 games. He didn't get criticized because it was year 1.
He's exactly what we worried he was: a .500 coach who will never outscheme anyone. For all the talk of his recruiting, he's been beaten by Meyer both years. Hopefully O'Brien leaves PSU.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||the situation is easy isnt it?||
If you can get one of the Harbaughs, you do. They're literally one of the best coaches around and would be homeruns hires. If you can't, you give him one more year. That's exactly what should have happened last time. If you can substantially upgrade, you do it. Otherwise you become ND during the Weis years, giving the wrong guy extra time because you didn't give the guy he replaced 4-5 years
|38 weeks 1 day ago||In Hoke's best season||
He beat one team that finished in the top 20.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Key phrase||
your "untrained eye." You really think that every major media outlet just simply ignored the story?
|38 weeks 1 day ago||I would have said||
Maybe Les Miles needs to go.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Hoke is exactly in the same place Rich Rod was in year 3||
and is regressing against much easier schedules than Rodriguez played against. In fact, nearly all of Hoke's success came from Denard, a Rich Rod player. He was 17-4 with Denard at the helm. Then Denard got hurt and he's gone 10-9.
|39 weeks 12 hours ago||You act like the Lions only make money from ticket sales||
12 million isn't that big of a deal.
|39 weeks 1 day ago||Keep the art at the DIA||
and sell the Lions. Honestly, unless a coach who's done it before is given complete control, we're never going to win.
|39 weeks 6 days ago||Since the foul on Trey everything has been a disaster||
Since that ref turned an all-time championship play into sealing the game for Louisville, 2013 has been terrible for Detroit sports. Following that the Pistons inexplicably didn't take Burke, Wings blew a 3-2 playoff lead, Verlander was average during regular season, Miggy got hurt, then we blew two playoff games, UM football has proven mediocre, UM missed on Hand, OSU-MSU played for championship, UM basketball has been gut-punched, and the best Lions team in maybe my lifetime has blown a division lead to TWO teams starting backup quarterbacks.
I can't take much more.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||If a Harbaugh ends up at Texas||
This place is going to be nuts. That would be an huge failure on Brandon's part. Regardless of how much you like Hoke. If either of them came calling, I think you'd be crazy to not hire them.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||Coaching in the NFL is much more difficult||
The days NFL guys have to put in are grueling. There really isn't an offseason, you have to be scouting, which is much more difficult than recruiting.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||So he stabalized PSU||
Has shown himself to be one of the better coaches in the Big Ten (having decent seasons with a heavily sanctioned team) and now, just as the sanctions are going to be finished, he leaves?
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Well, do you not understand Alabama's rivalries?||
Auburn is their OSU. I'd fully expect a congrats Missouri thread had they beaten Auburn tonight.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||But you are suggesting that||
Why should we have patience? We have better facilities, better recruiting, better national coverage, better school, etc. If anything, this should be a wake up call. Starting with much less, Mark Dantonio had MSU going 11-2 in year 4. Do you expect that next year? He's beaten MSU's rivals more often than not. Do you expect to win any of the road games next year? Hoke's literally never beaten a ranked team on the road in a decade of coaching. He hasn't beaten a winning team on the road at Michigan.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Muschamp's not going anywhere||
If they're looking for a DC, I'd bet Justin Wilcox. He's in limbo right now (though he's also in the running for the Boise job)
|41 weeks 1 day ago||You realize that our chief rival lost the championship, right?||
MSU is little brother. That means that when they succeed against OSU, our nemesis, we're happy.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Just to get this straight||
You're saying that we should have the same standards as MSU? This is THE Rose Bowl that they're going to, as in, the one Spartan fans for sure go to because this is likely their one chance. You're looking at the wrong rival and the standards (and process) that they have for hiring and firing coaches.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||OSU won 24 games in a row||
They won 0 national or Big Ten titles.
At first I thought it would be better for Ohio to win in order to keep MSU from claiming that they go to the Rose Bowl. Then I realized that little factoid and it made me feel much better.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Hoke's had an incredibly easy schedule for three years||
Next year's the toughest one (though still not that difficult). It should be unacceptable if he doesn't get 10. But, I expect him to win 9 and come back for year 5 because we'll blame a young offensive line (again) and Brandon will point to the improvement in record.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||See other comment above||
There hasn't been a good coach hired directly out of the MAC in over a decade.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Pac 12 doing in Football what Big 10 did in Basketball||
Every single team has a good coach now. Or, at least, has a coach considered to be a good up and comer. If the Big Ten is going to compete they need to start having their middling teams hire good coaches, hopefully it started with Minnesota and Kill. (It also needs Michigan to have a top staff, but that's for a different post).
I also don't get the shock over him leaving for Washington. Washington has great facilities, one of the loudest stadiums in the country, has tradition (second most PAC 12 Rose Bowls after USC), and good recruiting. It's also in a pretty cool city. It's not like he went to Oregon State or Wazzu.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Woody and Bo are both dead||
I know we tend to want to live in the past here, but Woody and Bo are not relevant to this discussion.
Woody coached in the MAC 60 years ago. Bo coached in the MAC 45 years ago. You act like dropping those two names adds any meaningfulness to your point. It doesn't. In fact, it shows how weak your argument is that you have to refence coaches who haven't coached football in over 20 years as prime examples of great MAC coaches.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||15 years ago.||
And Meyer and Saban weren't poached from the MAC. Saban coached Toledo for a year. Meyer at BGSU for 2 years. The MAC hasn't produced a top-notch coach in over a decade, which is one of the reasons why the Big Ten is struggling.
|41 weeks 6 days ago||Why would you post this?||
What could go wrong?
|42 weeks 5 hours ago||Amazing to me how our basketball team and football team differ||
Our basketball program has decent tradition, but today it's not hamstrung by it and we have a guy who's willing to change when needed. Football is so different that we HAD to have a Michigan Man who does it the Michigan Man way (even though UM football history is actually all about innovation and adapting to the era rather than a strident devotion to how things used to be, but that's neither here nor there).
Beilien and Hoke are mirror images.
|42 weeks 9 hours ago||They did what we did||
We need a USC person...so...uh....Sark!
|42 weeks 9 hours ago||Debacle||
Debacle. Debacle. Debacle. Debacle.
|42 weeks 10 hours ago||That's like saying Miles is from Ohio||
Mora's already stated numerous times how much he loves Washington. He's definitely going to get a call and he's definitely going to think about it long and hard.
|42 weeks 10 hours ago||Two of those men are dead||
Times change. UW has great potential, but it's definitely harder to recruit there than USC, UCLA, etc.
|42 weeks 10 hours ago||I've been following Washington closely for about 6 years now||
I think Sark is a good coach, but a really meh hire for USC. If Washington can snag Mora from UCLA, they come out the big winner. Wouldn't be surprised if they promote Wilcox, though.
|42 weeks 2 days ago||No, and its absurd to think so||
We're a 7 win archrival at home. They haven't lost in two seasons. I can't believe that our program is in such a dire state that we now believe that barely beating us is as bad as a loss for our opponents in the standings.
|42 weeks 2 days ago||Epitomizes the Hoke Era||
I agree with the call, but the playcall was awful, especially after Urban called a timeout. No adjustment on the field....again. Hoke, Borges, etc might be great on the whiteboard, but during the game? We almost never adjust, especially when we're facing top coaches who show the ability to do so.
I was at the game, and I could not see Brady. Did he have a headset on when they were deciding the final playcall? Did it look like he had any input on what we were going to do?
|42 weeks 2 days ago||LOL||
We must aim to be 10-2 Stanford, so that even if we miss we land amongst the 8-4 scrap heap of the Outback Bowl and just claim that we were just a few executed plays away from being a national champion.
The people who think MANBALL wins national titles are the same people who think Bear and Bo are in the same league because they had similar coaching styles and ignore the 6 national championships versus 0. I know it's hard to believe, but if your game plan relies on 20-22 year olds executing 100% of the plays so that you win by 3, you're going to win 75% of your games but never compete for a title.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||That's absurd||
Hoke has played about 75% of the number of teams that ended the season ranked that Rich Rod played. No one seems to want to point that out. The Big Ten is significantly worse now than it was 5 years ago.
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team ranked in the top 15 in his entire career.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||They make more money with a good Big Ten||
The Big Ten TV footprint is much much larger than the SEC.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||The worst part||
Brandon acts as if Hoke has the same track record as Nick Saban (or even Harbaugh). Nick Saban had already won a national championship went to Alabama. He was considered one of the best college coaches, hence Bama paying him.
Hoke has no track record of winning championships.
|42 weeks 5 days ago||the comparisons are brutal||
He compares Saban year 1 to Hoke year three, then talks about Harbaugh's progress, which looks a heck of a lot more like Rich Rod's than Hoke's.
|42 weeks 6 days ago||I've seen enough criticism of Brian to not be quiet||
I do not think Brian being hypocritical, and no he's not just angry that we don't run his preferred offense. I think he and I are in the same boat.
The only people who don't think Rich Rod is a great coach are Michigan fans. The only people who think Brady Hoke is a great coach are Michigan fans and Jason Whitlock.
Rich Rod has built juggernauts everywhere he's gone. He's had huge wins and was essentially a broken thumb from playing for a national title at West Virginia, which has turned back into its mediocre self since he left. He improved every season and year four was set up, with the incredibly easy schedule and upperclassman superstar QB, to be a break out year. He wasn't given a 4th year for one reason and one reason alone: he's not a "Michigan Man" and he didn't know Bo. Yes, part of that was because of Rich Rod miscalculating the culture and losing bad losses, but he didn't get the benefit of the doubt, even when his track record should have allowed him to have it, because there was no help from the old Bo/Lloyd guys.
Brady Hoke's track record is weak. He has never beaten a ranked team on the road. Not just at Michigan, I mean ever. The best road win of his career is beating an 8-4 Navy team in 2007. He's never won a conference chanpionship. He's never beaten a team that's finished in the top 15 (and it might even be top 20 depending on where Va Tech finished). He's a decent recruiter and he loves Michigan, but he does not have the resume of an elite coach, especailly compared to the coaches of our rivals, two of whom are younger than Hoke.
Brady Hoke is a nice guy and an average coach. There's a reason why his 12-1 season led to him going to SDSU and not a BCS team. He's Michigan's coach for three reasons. Les Miles is forbidden. The Harbaugh's wanted to try and win a Super Bowl. And, he's a "Michigan Man" who lets Dave Brandon play Jerry Jones in the film room because he's dreamed of coaching Michigan and is terrified of losing it. His sucess at Michigan has come from having one of the most dynamic players ever to play at Michigan running around against inferior oppenents and having Dave Brandon coax Mattison into being DC. Even in the Sugar Bowl year we finished third in the conference. He's middling in a terrible conference, which is bar far the worst major conference in America (No I don't count American as a major conference even though they inexplicably have the Big East's autobid).
Brian's ftrustrations, if they're like mine, come from the fact that this money that's coming into the program doesn't even matter. We are in this mess because Rich Rod couldn't lure Casteel to Michigan because he couldn't give him a guaranteed contract. To make matters worse, after the failure of Rich Rod, instead of doing what OSU and Alabama did in paying top dollar for a great coach, we went bargain basement on a guy with no real record of winning championships. This has nothing to do with RIch Rod's style or even his coaching. There was cause to fire him, but only if you could replace him with someone better. Because we didn't do that, we're now in a corner. Too often the problem is that being loyal to the program's success and criticizing Hoke and Brandon has been met with being called disloyal to our past with Bo, Lloyd, etc or being hyprocritical as a Rich Rod defender (which is connected to the disloyalty of our past in an endless cycle).
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Exactly||
If Brandon is honest he'd be able to see that we're a heck of a lot closer to 5-7 and than 10-1.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Life is much easier as a college coach||
He's already proven himself a champion. Could be a lifestyle choice. He grew up in Ann Arbor.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Ah, Ok||
I wasn't aware that was where the high school kid writes.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||It could depend on other coaches, etc right?||
I'm sure most people here saw the thing about John Harbaugh (and I imagine ESPN probably started snooping around the idea after it blew up on Twitter). As unlikely as it is, if he did want to leave the NFL (the Ravens are in last place, his Super Bowl team has been dismantled, or at least gutted, he's proven himself a winner, etc) and he made it known that he was available, isn't it difficult to think Brandon wouldn't jump at the chance?
Of course, it's all speculative and highly unlikely. But, Brandon's not dumb. He knows that if he fires Hoke he needs to replace him with a huge name. That goes for next year as well (when we probably go 8-4 again).
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Instability has little to do with firing Hoke||
It has more to do with what we do if we fire Hoke. If Brandon has feelers out with a couple top-notch coaches the internet rumor mongering suggests (one of the Harbaughs, Les Miles, Sumlin) and one of them accepts, then there's no instability.
I'll use John Harbaugh as the example here mostly because of all the rumors, he seems like the likliest candidate. If we fired Hoke on a Tuesday and hired John Harbaugh on a Thursday, there's almost no instability. He's universally viewed as a better coach than Hoke. He'd almost assuredly keep Mattison. There'd be little instability in a change like that.
What would be disastrous would be to fire Hoke and do what we did after fired Rich Rod where we went through "the process." I hope Brandon does what he should have done a few years ago: have a few names, contact them, if they agree to the job, fire Hoke and name his replacement almost immediately. If they don't agree, realize that Hoke in year four is better than some second-rate alternative and hope for the best while having a year to prepare for the worst.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||It makes us average because it prevents progress||
The fact that every. single. time. we face any kind of adversity we reference a guy who hasn't coached in 25 years means that we can never live in the present and focus on the future.
We have gone from making the "michigan man" thing be something extra to placing it in the forefront of our program. Harbaugh and Miles would have been great hires regardless of their affiliation with Michigan. Their connection to the program would have been an added bonus. The reason we have Brady Hoke, who had an all-time losing record and no history of winning championships, is because we have so many people inside and outside the administration that puts the connection to Bo ahead of everything else.
Yes. Bo was a great coach. Yes. 1969 was a big upset. Yes. He gave a great speech and inspired people. But, he has no more impact on the current team than Yost, Crisler, etc, or at least, he shouldn't have any impact on the current team.
The man has been dead for 7 years. Over that time he's gone from an old coach that we loved to a god that we as a program worship. Anyone who doesn't worship him is deemed a heretic. And now we're about to get smoked by Ohio State. They have a coach who's won 2 national titles and is on the verge of his third season where he's won all his games, which, just for note, Bo never did. Why do they have that coach? Because Ohio State has spent less time time worrying about Woody Hayes and patting themselves on the back for games played four decades ago and more time looking at the college football landscape's change and responding accordingly.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||There are no quick fixes with tradition||
Except for you know, Alabama with Saban, Florida with Meyer, OSU with Meyer, Texas A&M with Kevin Sumlin, Florida State with Jimbo Fisher, Gus Malzahn at Auburn. Jim Mora at UCLA, You really think that those schools don't care about tradition?
Lloyd Carr won the Big Ten 5 times and a national title. Lloyd Carr had one season where he finished outside of the top 20.
On the other hand, in his entire career Brady Hoke has beaten a team that finished in the top 20 twice (Virginia Tech and Northwestern). Brady Hoke's best win on the road in his entire career, not just at Michigan, is @ Navy (8-4) in 2007. Brady Hoke has never won his conference anywhere he went. This is his 10th season of coaching.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Or maybe we should have higher standards than Bo||
It's breathtaking to me to see fans who lambasted Rich Rod in year three comparing Hoke to Bo by saying "well, on retrospect, Bo didn't really win many big games." Great.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||ROAD win||
Those are home wins and Va Tech was neutral site.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||No more irrelevant than now||
I guess that was what I was trying to say.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||You want to pretend that the empire just exists||
Bo always knew that this program was bigger than him. It is not discounting Bo to say that constantly referencing a guy who hasn't coached Michigan in 25 years isn't good for the program. We don't need to continually reference Bo and relive the good times, we need to find a 21st century version of him. That's what Ohio State did...twice.
Bo had no connection to Michigan when he came to Ann Arbor. He wanted to add, not relive what Fitz or Yost did.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||I love Bo||
But, I also think that we think of him as "one of the greatest ever" while the rest of the country thinks of him as "one of the greatest ever at Michigan."
|43 weeks 2 days ago||Brady Hoke's Best Road Win In His Career||
At Navy (8-4) in 2007 with Ball State. Can someone find a better one? Am I missing a better one?
|43 weeks 2 days ago||He did give a great speech once||
And he's arguably our second best coach after Yost (Though Lloyd won conference titles at roughly the same pace and won the national title and had a Heisman).
I'm not deriding Bo, but I have to admit, it's wearing on me to see Bo get referenced after we're outcoached again. It's reaching hero worship levels. None of these kids were alive when Bo coached. The seniors were 15 when Bo passed away.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||How's that different than the last 8 years?||
We've beaten Sparty once in 6 years and Ohio twice in 12 years. We haven't won the Big Ten in nearly a decade.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||When exactly were we irrelevant before Bo?||
We had a couple eras of crappiness that were similar to the last 8 years or so, but we were hardly irrelevant.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||So your critique is||
I mispelled Moeller's name and Yost dominated his peers but it doesn't count because it happened a long time ago? Yost created Michigan tradition. Bo talked about it. On the night of his vigil Dierdorf (i think it was Dierdorf) talked about how Bo constantly talked about Yost, etc.
My entire point is that what Bo did 40 years ago means no more than what Yost did 100 years ago. We are constantly living in the past as a program.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||Bo. Schembechler. Is. Dead.||
Why is it that we constantly have to reference a guy who's not coached the team in nearly 25 years? No one on this team was even alive when Bo coached Michigan.
Bo was a great man and a heck of a coach. But he's not even the best coach in our history. Fielding Yost was.
He didn't coach the longest. Yost did.
He doesn't have the most bowl wins. Lloyd does.
He never won a national title. Yost, Crisler, Oosterban, and Carr did.
He never had a Heisman winner. Moehler and Carr did.
He has the most Big Ten Titles (13) only because Yost's Michigan left the Big Ten for ten years. (Yost won 10 Big Ten titles).
He doesn't have the best record against OSU. Yost does.
He won the most games, but only because he played more. He doesn't have the highest winning percentage, Yost does. (.808 to .785).
I get that a lot of fans today worship Bo because he was the coach when they were going to Michigan. I also get that it was a tumultous time on campus and that he helped bring stability and unity in a chaotic era on campus. But, we need to stop the worshipping of this guy. Michigan tradition didn't start with Bo, which is why he wanted to coach at Michigan. Did Bo add to our tradition? You bet. We are in this mess, partly, because we are constantly looking backwards rather than forward.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||Hoke has had a significantly easier schedule||
And Hoke hasn't had the drama about not being a Michigan Man. Rich Rod played five ranked teams in his last season alone. Hoke has played 9 in three years.
In his three seasons, Rich Rod played almost twice as many ranked teams. And that doesn't count Utah, which went undefeated and beat Bama. Hoke has never beaten a winning team on the road. He's beaten one ranked team on the road in his ENTIRE career.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||You realize that they're number 5, right?||
Basically winning out and a couple losses and they're in the National Title picture. What you saw today in Tucson is what RIch Rod's teams look like when he has his right hand man coaching the D. Arizona has nowhere near the talent we have, and they play in a much tougher conference, and they're going to have a better record than us.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||I think it's about the same||
Confidence in the staff is gone. Big difference is that Hoke had a 10 win season (against an easy schedule) and a so-so track record while Rich Rod had a worse record at UM, but a better track record.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||This will go well||
|43 weeks 2 days ago||Last year||
I was worried after going 10-2 (with a couple miracle wins) against the easiest schedule in decades. What really told me that we were in trouble was the Air Force game and the realization that we hadn't had a good road win under Hoke after last year. The bowl game gave me some hope, but this year it's become apparent that the concerns about Hoke's track record that many of us had when we hired Hoke has come to the forefront.
The basketball game yesterday and today's football game was the biggest contrast in coaching at MIchigan I've ever seen.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Top Programs Are Willing To Pay Top Dollar For Talent||
This is the thing Michigan is still learning. The market in college football has exploded. The only way to get top talent is to pay for it, both at HC and coordinators (and everywhere else).
If you expect a hometown discount you're going to be SOL.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Nick Saban vs Hoke||
Saban has 4 national titles, 7 ten-win seasons, five 12-win seasons, eight top 10 finishes (including one at Sparty). He coached under Bill Bellicheck and is about to win his third national championship in a row.
Hoke has never won his conference. Had two 10-win seasons, and has never beaten a ranked team on the road. His claim to fame is that he knows Tom Brady.
Engineering at Alabma might have helped, but that's not why Hand didn't come to Michigan.
|44 weeks 4 days ago||December, January, February are cold||
Alabama gets months like Michigan November and March. We don't get months like Alabama June, July, August, sometimes September.