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1 week 1 day ago	Yep	I was on a trip to Zion and stopped at Bryce for two nights.  Wasn't long enough.
1 week 1 day ago	Before you make plans	Before you make plans make sure she turns the other 162 degrees.
1 week 1 day ago	ZION	I would go back to Zion NP in a heartbeat.  That place is awesome.
2 weeks 1 day ago	Tom Brady	I don't really like Tom Brady.  I'm not saying he isn't good, but he just rubs me the wrong way. Superbowls are a bad measure of QB greatness.  I'm looking at you Eli. There should be a time limit on instant replay in football.  If the refs can't determine a call in 45 seconds it automatically stands as called.  Leave the human error in the game.
2 weeks 3 days ago	Yes, the experience means something	Every experience means something, but I just can't understand the importance of promoting that part of it as a valuable experience that everybody should have.  It is just another consumer item that doesn't grow you as a person.
2 weeks 3 days ago	Necessary Step	It should not be a necessary step.  The fact that we are making it one is causing problems.  First it can lead to delay people joining the professional world.  Second it costs money.  This will impose a greater burden on the less wealthy portion of the population which can lead to class separation and stunting the ability for someone to make it that may not be of means.
2 weeks 3 days ago	What is the experience	I'm just curious what part of the "experience" is worth the money if you take away the going to class part. It seems that there is sports, living in dorms, parties, being with peers on a regular basis, being part of a campus group, and other similar things.  Is that part a good investment?  I take my car to a shop to have it fixed by a professional and I have respect and appreciation for their profession.  Should I assume that they are somehow lacking some important experience that would have bettered their lives?  Should I assume that they would rather be in another line of work that requires a degree?  It seems that these assumptions are a bit demeaning.
2 weeks 3 days ago	Societal issue	I could be wrong here, but here's a thought. College is commonly seen as a gateway to success and is promoted throughout our society as a noble achievement.  This may be true in many cases, but failure to recognize hard work and achievement outside of college seems to relegate un-degreed professions as second class. Instead of celebrating hard work and success we put too much of an emphasis on a certain kind of hard work and success. Consider the American Dream.  It used to be that hard work and opportunity will lead to success.  This was visualized in homeownership.  However, now it seems almost like the American Dream has become homeownership. Success, now, is seen often as going to college and getting a degree and students are celebrated for being the first in their family to go to college, or graduating.  However, we are missing the point of all of it and we are really celebrating something that is incomplete.  In doing so, other people's hard work towards the same goal is undervalued. I also think that the college "experience" is not very important.  I don't see how living in dorms, going to parties, walking to class, and taking exams is any more beneficial than working in a job and interacting with other professionals on a daily basis.  Maybe there is something I'm missing.
2 weeks 5 days ago	UofM Career to date	Beilein has never had the personel and that is changing. When he started at UofM the program was nowhere near what it is now therefore his ability,  to attract recruits was limited.  He pulled in Cronin (injury), Morgan (solid), Hortford (backup), McLimans (bench), and McGary (star).  That isn't much.  He is in much different territory now.  Doyle and Donnel will be 4 year players and both have shown potential to be good.  Beilein has never had that at Michigan outside of Morgan and McGary, but that was only for a year and really not even that.  Sprinkle in Teske and whomever else we get and Beilein will, for the first time at Michigan, have a good stable of bigs. Beilein missed on developing role players like McLimans, Christian, Lucas-Perry, and followed that up by developing stars very quickly.  That lead to an uneven roster with regards to experience.  I see this team core as one that will finally last a few years.  What that will bring as far as wins is a bit unknown to us now.
2 weeks 6 days ago	Parent recognizing oblivious	you, op, are obviously not a parent. When children are born and you become responsible for their upbringing, you see the world differently. Love cannot be quantified.
4 weeks 1 day ago	Something Beilein hasn't had	Beilein runs an offense that requires a lot of understanding.  It would seem that continuity would be very important for him.  Once that is established, you can mix in the top end recruits to take the team to the next level.  Over time the continuity players get better and better. The fact is that Beilein hasn't really had great continuity.  Stu and Zack were a good start and showed what can happen when Beilein has four year players, but they were limited athletically.  Morgan was of the same mold and his knowledge of the system greatly helped as he could be a floor leader.  However, those are only three major contributors from the continuity players that I can think of.  I think we should look at Brundidge and Christian as misses just as much as Booker and Blackmon.  They would be seniors now.  I would imagine that as our core gets stronger the team/program will take off.  With that comes a greater ability to grab the top-end talent.  Imagine if Walton and Irvin stay four years.  That is going to be a very deep and talented roster.  Sprinkle in one to two supers and you have a title contender. Fortunately we have a coach who can get to the title by developing the good into the great negating the need to constantly grab the great.
4 weeks 1 day ago	No	Fact: Dwight Schrutte does not sleep and therefore it is physically impossible for him to be a sleeper.
5 weeks 5 days ago	Subjective	It's a matter of preference. There is no absolute with regards to what level is right. But I see what you are saying...the nfl is clearly inferior. I live in Wisconsin and I guarantee you that the Badgers are an afterthought when it comes to football preference.
5 weeks 5 days ago	Not really	In order to win an overtime game one defense has to outplay the opponents offense...eventually Every game is the result of a team effort. Giving both teams possession allows both offense and defense to take the field. Consider it allowing the defense to have a chance to stop the other team.
5 weeks 5 days ago	Hockey is not a good comparison.	Hockey has a faceoff and constant change of possession which makes sudden death legitimate. Football has a coin toss to determine possession. With hockey both teams have an equal shot from the get go but football is slanted heavily toward the winner of a coin toss.
6 weeks 2 days ago	8 Team Playoff = 7 games	Four first round games Two second round games One Championship
6 weeks 4 days ago	Seriously	Why do I not see any love for Barton City?
6 weeks 5 days ago	Never understood this one	If a Tennessee coach votes against Michigan in 1997 then somehow it is Manning's fault? Even if Manning thought he was robbed of the Heisman (something that I've never heard him say) why would a Michigan fan dislike him for LOSING to Woodson? Tom Brady was on a team coached by arguably the greatest NFL coach in history.  After watching Michigan play recently it's safe to say that top notch coaching is a big deal.  No disrespect to Dungy but he is not on Belichick's level. As Harbaugh says, it's not a good idea to compare great to great because it only means a great is diminished.
9 weeks 6 days ago	Too high up the food chain	My understanding is that UofM's athletic department operates financially independently from the university.  He fires Brandon and hires Hackett.  That's all he really has to do right? Maybe tell Hackett to help find a permanent AD and perhaps make sure that he is operating in the black.  What more do we want? Fandom is traveling too far up the food chain.  Going from armchair quarterbacks to armchair coaches is one thing, but moving up to armchair ADs and armchair Presidents is a bit over the top.  Why can't we just be fans, hope Hackett hires Harbaugh, forget about him WHEN it happens and just root some victories on Saturdays?  It's less stressfull that way.
12 weeks 3 days ago	Perhaps	If a coach resigns because of a record he is basically admitting that he is not good enough to do the job.  If he is admitting that by himself then who would want to give him a chance later on?
17 weeks 3 days ago	yes but..	What scandals are we talking about? Shane Morris was a Hoke problem, and the email incident is a non-issue.  Am I missing something.  Even the Coke issue was a Hoke problem because can we honestly expect that promotion to happen if the team was playing well? I get that people are upset over the mistreatment, but that can be rectified by Brandon pretty easily.
17 weeks 3 days ago	Me too	I have the same mindset.  If the top candidates don't want to work for Brandon then its best to dismiss him.  There is an issue, though, in that it may give the next coach a sense of power over the AD.
17 weeks 3 days ago	If the problem is...	If the problem is that the team is performing poorly then it is silly to think anyone other than Hoke is the main problem. Because everyone is out for blood any small meaningless thing gets blown way out of proportion and used as reason to call for a firing.  I'm not in the save Brandon court, but I think the decision to retain or fire him should consider this: Any outrage over the noodle is silly.  Nobody in their right minds should expect it to be a permanent fixture in the stadium. Snarky emails are a non-issue.  Maybe they shouldn't have been sent, but Brandon is probably responding to angry/pushy emails with snark. The Shane Morris fiasco is Hoke's fault and not Brandon's. Brandon does not coach the football team. Ticket prices can be lowered.  Ammenities can be provided or improved. Firing the AD because of the football team's performance is beyond a dumb idea.
19 weeks 2 days ago	Why the Oregon Comparisons	It seems that every time we roll out an alternate jersey there are comparisons to Oregon. Here are our alternate jerseys since 2011: 2011 ND 2011 MSU 2012 Sugar Bowl 2012 Alabama 2013 Outbak Bowl 2014 PSU By my count that is a total of six since 2011, and really only one in the last two years.  That’s not really Oregon-like.  Sure our home uniforms are awesome, but with the infrequency that we roll out these alternates I don’t see any issue or threat.  This whole uniform thing is getting blown way out of proportion.  We can debate whether or not the alternates look good, but rolling out one uniform a season does not make us anything close to Oregon.
19 weeks 3 days ago	I know	Bill Martin will be best known for botching the Miles hire, but he was a pretty fantastic AD.  He brought the program into the black and hired John Beilein. We are all clammoring for an "ignore Michigan Man and get the best guy" approach for a new football coach and he did just that when he hired RR.  Granted RR didn't last, but he was a big name coach at the time of his hire.
21 weeks 4 days ago	A much better option	Eliminate the chant altoghether.  I don't remember when the words were added (sometime between 04 and 08 from my recollection) but they are lame.  It especially is dumb when we are losing by a lot.  Either eliminate the words or change to something more appropriate given the situation on the field.
22 weeks 5 days ago	2 and 5	Let’s look at Beilein.  The knock on him coming in was that he wasn’t a good recruiter or, at least, there were doubts he could recruit at a high level.  He was regarded as a top flight Xs and Os coach, and I’m not sure where the stance on player development was, but I would venture that could have been identified as a strong suit.  To me this is the perfect example of the two traits that are absolutely necessary.  The other three (recruiter, face of the university, and fundraiser are very far down the list).  With many coaches, recruiting at a high level has not lead to success nor has stepping in to good situations lead to success.  Sure it’s nice to have the horses to compete, but if they aren’t coached properly it flat out does not matter one bit.  Charlie Weis, Brady Hoke, Muschamp are just three examples of this.  Being a fundraiser or the face of the university doesn’t really do anything for the program.  Sure you can desire a certain personality, but if you are a great coach it matters not how good of a speech you can give to a bunch of wealthy alumni.  I would say it is important to hire someone who won’t destroy the program due to out of control infractions, but that’s pretty avoidable.  It is my opinion that game management and player development are the foundation of a good program.  They will lead to success and with success comes the other three traits that you have desired.  Beilein is going after top 25 recruits and shattering the worry because he is winning games due to the fact that he can develop players and call a good game.  If Hoke is fired, the 1 and 1A traits that should be required are the ability to call a good game and develop players over time.  The second trait that would be desired is a strong attention to detail.   The third should be a strong hatred of losing.
24 weeks 1 day ago	Tate	If Tate learned to "play school" too and wasn't a headcase it would have been very interesting to see how he developed.  He could throw very well on the run and was pretty darn accurate.
24 weeks 2 days ago	I understand	I understand the sentiment and do recognize the importance of history.  My point was that what we do defines us rather than where we came from.  Our history and ancestry is important when it comes to respecting respectable tradition and the lessons/values learned in the past, but it ought not to define us.  There is an element of pride in history, and it ought to be used to motivate us to do positive things to the extent that it can motivate.  When it comes to football I get the sense that history and tradition is becoming less and less of a motivator.  When it comes to Michigan football it seems like there are a lot of folks who love to quote Bo and talk about the accomplishments of Yost and Crisler, but that isn’t going to bring us any victories.  It could lure a couple of recruits, but if there isn’t a coaching staff or team mentality that is “win the game” then all is lost.
24 weeks 2 days ago	What do you root for	Do you root for a team or a program?  The basis of fandom is not rooted in the program rather in the team.  Being a fan is about the present not about the past.  Sure we like to bring up the past to make our experience more exciting or to foster a greater connection to the program, but ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that the team that you are going to root for is not coached by Yost or Crisler or Bo.  There is only one team you root for an that is the present team because anything else is impossible.  All that other stuff is nice, but you don't root for the 69 wolverines now because that is history.  When times are tough you make tough decisions for the present and future and not hide in the past.

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