I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
|2 days 11 hours ago||Yup....||
GR3 is still grossly overrated. That's a lot of talent for not being able to do anything in a moderately pressure situation. And please spare us some 10 minute stint over the course of last year's tournament where he actually did something.
|4 days 23 hours ago||Smokey.....||
This isn't Nam. It's bowling. There are rules.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Amazing.....||
We are so so so much worse than we were last time Nebraska was here. Given the injury shitshow that is Nebraska's offense, it's not like they've taken huge steps forward since 2011.
Brady's coaching and recruiting all revolves around motivation and pulse. Those things get stale and go down the tubes really quickly after having the worst coached / under achieving team on America.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Dymonte not playing....||
This is because our coaches are really really bad. For some reason, Michigan football player development is on the third layer of inception where reasonable player development takes 4 years where it takes other schools 6 months.
Our safety play has been so damn miserable that these coaches must really be pieces of work if they can't get a stud athlete like Dymonte on the field by this point. I think there is an element of senior loyalty, which is insanely annoying.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Gordon||
I hate to call out individual players, but Thomas Gordon might be the worst safety in the nation. QB is running backwards under assault, heaves a ball down the middle that is in the air for no less than 3 seconds, and that guy is still 7 yards behind the play when caught.
Holy crap. No speed. No instinct. Jesus.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Scalper Tickets....||
I woke up in AA on the morning of the 2011 Trash Game and spontaneously headed up (directionally) and down (in quality / human decency) to EL. Sparty had 1 loss at the time that year too.
Since it was too late to do stubhub, I went the scalper route. A buddy and I each paid 140 for upper level seats and it was a pretty big pain in the ass. I have to believe you can find something fairly comparable on Stubhub that doesnt come with the paper / electronic duplicate risk that comes with scalper transactions nowadays.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||SEC||
Give me a break. It's like watching a different sport. There are a couple of Pac 12 and ACC teams that can hack it, but there is not one team in our conference that looks half as fast and physical as 5-6 SEC teams. There is a polling bias because they deserve it.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Stribling and Lewis....||
They're doing a fine job covering these guys, and I actually think Stribling looks great, but there's some sort of defect where we're the only team in football that allows the football to be in the air for 4 seconds and have no help even coming into the picture.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Special teams coach||
Add another one that needs to get axed after this season.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Toussaint||
He really cannot break even the weakest of tackle attempts. It's as though he starts to fall before he even gets touched.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Hole???||
Given that amazing hole, that was a really shitty run by toussaint. If you're not touched by anybody except a free safety 10 yards down field, that safety should not be stopping you in your tracks.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Other concern....||
Their WR not even faking out our DB and outrunning him like a WR should outrun a DE.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Short WRs....||
If you're a 5'8 wide receiver, you sure as hell better be able to catch wide open balls two feet off of the ground.
|7 weeks 20 hours ago||Phase 1....||
Phase 1: Run power. Phase 2:........... Phase 3: Gain yards.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Yes||
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Never...||
If two NFL caliber 5th year tackles, a 5 star in his 2nd year, a 4 star in his 3rd year, and a 300 pound center cannot push around that god awful Penn State team, or even Akron for that matter, why the hell does anyone think we'll be able to manball anyone decent in 2 years? Sure, with 5 dudes in their 4th season, we might be able to push around UConn in a couple of years, but the difference in pedigree and experience between this line and the one two years from now is not so drastic that we'll go from pushing brick walls against penn state to slapping Sparty and OSU around the field.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Or this.....||
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Or this...||
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Even the Penn State fan who||
Even the Penn State fan who hasn't shaved since the kid touching thing is smiling.....
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Every coach||
Should be fired tomorrow. Especially Fred Jackson and Funk
|7 weeks 5 days ago||T Gordon....||
Ummmmm....what's that guy doing back there? Those weren't exactly Tom Brady 25 yard darts.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||So.....||
We decided to no longer put pressure on the qb, not cover the sidelines, and have safeties nowhere to be seen? Interesting strategy cotton.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Not a good combo....||
The most mental QB in the country coupled with most under achieving O-Line in history.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||FYI....||
These tanking are heavily weighted on grad programs and especially faculty research, which makes no damn bit of difference for the undergrad students. For undergrad, Notre Dame and Vandy are very very good.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||98%....||
98% of the undergrads at OSU are from Ohio. Their degree sucks and the only point of pride they have is their football team.
Let students bring beer into the stadium and schedule teams with real university names like the old days, and you might see similar passion to all of your likely selective 1980s memories.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Yup...||
I was planning on running on the embarcadero at half time today in my Michigan shirt. That will not be happening.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Lol||
Our D Line is astonishingly putrid. I gave them the benefit of the doubt last week, but good god.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Weird....||
An awful lot of four / five stars in their second years on the lines that can't get any form of push on Akron. This line coaching may be a little suspect.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Same...||
I was hoping to show my niece and nephew the clip of DG talking about his love of Phineas and Ferb. He'll instantly become their favorite athlete.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Lloyd Brady and.....?||
So we have Lloyd Brady and Rapture Guy. I think we need to grace the guy Lloyd Brady is with in that photo with an MGoName. He's always in the front row, great tv camera / jumbo tron presence and it seems like hes going on his 5th - 6th year in the spotlight.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Recruiting....||
When the program isn't riddled with attrition and the coaches bring in a new cavalry of monster talent every year, it gives you the luxury of getting your players in and through in 3-4 years. Let's not fail to notice how this helps recruiting as well. "Almost all of our skill player freshmen contributed...."
|13 weeks 5 days ago||lulz....||
It's the gate directly on the way from campus (where the students go to school and live). Some of you complain that the students don't get there on time, DB does three things in the offseason to make it so (loyalty points, GA, and Gate 10), we have the best student attendance in a shitbag game, and you still complain.....
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Embarrassing......||
I think a lot of peopel found him embarrassing due to the tears, pouting, post game blaming, and banquet music selection.....I'm pretty sure if the team was playing reasonably against decent B1G teams and he was slamming headsets in anger, people wouldn't have considered him "embarrassing." On a side note, if you can't tell by interviews or direct player interaction that they mostly hated his guts, you're blind.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Rawls...||
He sure has a skill for laying the wood on DBs getting stood up by blocks and ones running out of bounds....
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Disappointed.....||
No Rapture Guy? Or do we only bring him out for Muppet level occurrences?
|23 weeks 6 days ago||MGoBadFish||
The irony of ranting on another for ranting on another, all in a "live and let live" email, is amazing.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Then....||
Chalk that up to the crappy ticket taking system / games not being frequent enough for students to realize that they need to actually leave 45 minutes early to get to their seats on time. Nobody said they had much common sense. Question: Back in the 80s / 90s, did those exterior gates exist, causing that god awful bottle neck on the northeast corner? Or did they take the tickets at the section entrances?
|25 weeks 1 day ago||330 games....||
are perfect if you want the student section more populated at kickoff. If for some reason it's still half empty, then that's the fault of the ticket taking system.
Personally, I'd rather see more students in the stands after having a satisfactory non-rushed 7 AM tailgate than all of the alums having the ability to get back to the burbs and watch that enthralling Nebraska - Iowa bloodbath.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||First names...||
I am the only Michigan athlete in the last decade to merit being called only by my first name.
|31 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah...||
I meant that hockey players can play a lot longer. Sorry for the ambiguity.
|31 weeks 2 days ago||So let me get this straight....||
This board (in general) hates the students, the athletic director (for even speaking out about the safety of the players...must be bullshit), the NCAA. the head of the B1G, the entire SEC, and any football uniform that doesnt conform precisely with 1969 [[Correction: 1985...I was just informed that we had helmet stickers in 1969]]...aside from the obvious and justified Sparty and Ohio, what else am I missing?
MGoBoard is turning into a vat of ignorant hatred that youll find in the comments section of any online news article. Brian & Co. are great, but I sure hope a lot of you polarizing opinionated asses arent alumni.
|31 weeks 2 days ago||Read what he said...||
He's on board with it, but he just wanted to point out the slippery slope. A lot of people were (and will after the first big playoff controversy) clamoring for an 8 or 16 team playoff.
Football players' shelf lives have nothing to do with "years." They have to do with hits and injuries. There isn't some magic formula that says "after 5 years in the NFL, you will be retiring." That just happens to be around the time that theyve absorbed enough hits / injuries to drop their game that one degree that knocks them out of the NFL.
Also, given that he makes 1/3 of what he did at Dominos, and the fact that he's a former player, I trust his genuineness when it comes to caring for the players.
|31 weeks 2 days ago||Hockey roughness....||
Hockey is rough as hell and those guys are as tough or tougher than football players. Nevertheless, how many hockey players can play into their mid 30s / early 40s? Compare that with football. It's not even close.
While guys get blasted in the face with pucks on occasion and flatbacked on a regular basis, the rates of vicious knee, shin, and ankle injuries are significantly less in hockey due to the differences of skating v. running....as well as not having multiple 250 - 300 pound beasts falling on you multiple times per game.
|31 weeks 3 days ago||Article commenters....||
While people who leave comments at the bottom of articles are generally awful human beings, the people on that site especially deserve to be euthanized.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Nah...||
I disagree with a lot of what you say, but you obviously have a brain and provide information. While it was your thread, it wasn't intended for you.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Student bashing....||
While I disagree with MLDWoody's hatred of the GA policy, I agree with his sentiment that this site is full of a bunch of assholes who have absurd "get off my lawn" attitudes when it comes to student attendance.
Whether it's bitching about Michigan students painting the Sparty statue since "Michigan is classier" than that (despite college pranks being prevalent at Cal Tech, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc), or complaining that students are late to games after sitting in 25 minute lines to get into the stadium, you guys seriously need to chill.
As people so informatively showed above, students werent showing up on time, if at all, 15 years ago. If they want to lower student tardiness, have more late afternoon / night games or fix the stupid gate system so you dont have 60% of the crowd going in 25% of the turnstiles.
We'll all be on time when we grow up, have families, and dont want to take advantage of those 6-7 gameday party mornings per year. Then we can be like the rest of you, SIT on our CUSHIONS for 93% of the game, and contribute towards Michigan stadium being the quietest big stadium in the country.
Get off my lawn.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Last time on the OL.....||
He didn't exactly have "coaches."
|32 weeks 1 day ago||For the record...||
I like the new rule. I got tired of having to walk in at Section 29, then move over to 26. Im just making the point as to why students dont care as much any more. "Not caring as much" is still nowhere near the justification to take tickets away from students so some Class of 78ers can sit on their seat cushions with wine teeth.
Also, by taking away student seats, youll go to a lottery system like Wisconsin, where the "drunk sorority girls" still get tickets and boot out some of the better student fans.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Ticket prices....||
300 bucks for student tickets = way damn too much. The student section was basically GA already, so I don't care about that, but 300 bucks??? Just because they can raise the price doesn't mean they should. We're paying 2x or 3x the amount of tuition of the older "real" fans, even after adjusting for inflation. When I'm making enough money to where I'm flying back for games, ill gladly pay an extra 20 so the students making negative dollars aren't getting gouged relative to other universities.
What you get are a lot of students selling tickets out of necessity to friends and next thing you know, there are 100 assholes in OSU hats in the student section.
I love DB for most things, but charging students this much for tickets, and the fact that he charges us anything at all to watch the mediocre (relatively) baseball team in an empty stadium are areas that he annoys the crap out of me.
|32 weeks 3 days ago||Yup....||
At the end of next season, we'll finally see the end carnage of how few NFL prospects RR recruited and produced. We'll have Martin, Molk, Lewan, Gardner (tbd), Denard (different position), and potentially schofield. This will be 6 over the course of the last 5 seasons, with only one if them likely to be a starter. That output is putrid for Michigan, and you know every coach pounds that stat in recruiting when going up against us. This just shows even more how awesome the new staff is at recruiting.
So is this a function of crap RR recruiting, crap coaching by RR, crap coaching by hoke, or something else I'm missing? And don't cite the spread. Meyer had no problem at Florida getting guys in the league.
|32 weeks 3 days ago||Kelly...||
His teams have gotten progressively better, culminating in an undefeated regular season. Whether it was luck or not, it's a hell of a lot more impressive than winning a sugar bowl game after losing 2 in the regular season.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Give me a break....||
Even Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Yale, etc. engage in pranks like this. If you think us Michigan students need to be "classier" than these schools, you need to stop smelling your own farts.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Might be a bit much....||
Not sure if we should be claiming to enjoy a butt taco....
|33 weeks 4 days ago||Mmmmmm.....||
Taco w/ peppers.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||Next year...||
Remember, we only signed 3 OL combined during 09-10. The first big OL haul for hoke is redshirt freshmen and only one of the 2013 group is here. Both will be on the field next year and barring a QB injury, we'll have a game.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||Quote of the game....||
Describing the touchdown by our freshman tight end....
"Butt on the receiving end....."
|34 weeks 5 days ago||Omg...||
They changed the uniformzzzz too!!!! MOAR outrage at not keeping nontradition!!!!
|35 weeks 3 days ago||MGoQuestion....||
Are you going to try any bubble screens against the 2-3?
|37 weeks 2 days ago||Richard Sherman||
Richard / Dick's Approach to Life:
Step 1: Get into Stanford because you're an athlete (not knocking preferential admissions....but don't pretend you're a supreme academic like your fellow Rhodes Scholar classmates).
Step 2: Graduate in 5 years with one degree in communications, taking "Edge" multiple times (one of those Stanford athlete classes where you write a ten page paper on literally anything and get full credit after never going to class).
Step 3: Become a public figure and do well in the NFL for a season or two.
Step 4: Ridicule all of those plebeians with Vanderbilt degrees who are doing their jobs as sports analysts.
While we mostly criticize the pro athletes slinging coke, jerk offs like this guy coming and basically saying that he looks down on 99.99% of our resumes is just as big of a put off. My updated list of least favorite athletes: 1) William Gholston 2) Richard Sherman 3) Wisconsin's entire basketball team....especially the giant ginger.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Ross / Bolden....||
I understand the freshmen OLs dropping a small child of fat, adding a small child of muscle and coming out around even 9 months after getting on campus.
Nevertheless....the already lean linebackers not adding weight is pretty weird.
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Let's face it.....||
We have a sweet point guard, weak inside game, and extraordinarily tempermental shooting. I think we can make a run, but the lack of toughness this team showed away from Crisler does not merit anything higher than a 4.
|38 weeks 3 days ago||3 is good....||
1) It's already going to be a small class.
|39 weeks 1 day ago||You're right....||
He turned out OK. Unfortunately, OK leads to the inability to generate sacks rushing 4 and getting pretty well handled by good offensive lines.
|39 weeks 1 day ago||Finally||
I love seeing DLinemen with natural 270 frames as opposed to the RR recruits with natural 230 frames that had to bathe in bacon grease for 3 years to one day play at 280-290.
|41 weeks 11 hours ago||Kalis.....||
Any reason he can't be a right tackle? I know that tackles are generally taller, but arent right tackles more run blockers and is the difference between 6'5 and 6'6" really that big of a deal?
|41 weeks 1 day ago||120 yards.....||
Keep in mind that over half of those yards were on a play where he got lit up by 2 guys 8 yards downfield and the equalization of their force enabled him to stay up. While it otherwise was a nice half, we werent exactly steamrolling them on a consistent basis.
Moreover, let's not hide the fact that Denard never shredded a good, athletic defense. He was exactly what we needed to prevent from losing 8 games per year, but the predictability of defending against a QB that couldnt throw 15 yards downfield is what made us unable to take that next step on offense....even when RR was still here.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Best quote.....||
"That means a lot more Hoke guys and far fewer RichRod ones stolen from Bowling Green or Purdue."
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Burke....||
He has gone into Kobe mode. It's really bad for a team if you have your star shooting 8 times with no assists. It is really really really bad for a team if that star player is your short point guard.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Funny.....||
2-3 years ago, at least when it came to football, Alltime seemed to think that every miscue was the fault of players' youth and individual development....never a coach's fault.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks.....||
Sounds like it was more of an attrition / pan out / NCAA clearinghouse issue then. Either way, our DBs / WRs have been manhandled on the line of scrimmage over the last few years, not to mention the lack of interceptions. It'll be nice to see some 6'2 / 190 guys line up and block / get off blocks and go up and pic off a ball.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Big DBs....||
This is another big, rangy looking CB, which is great. I don't mean for this to be incitement of an argument, and it might not even be true, but why did RR bring in so many small DBs? I understand the small / shifty WRs / RBs for his version of the spread, but was there some reason for liking small DBs and safeties? Or was it just random attrition / signings that led to our mini secondary?
|42 weeks 2 days ago||Bail bonds....||
They'll end up paying a couple grand for the service. Bail bond companies have no problems putting up bail for people like Alabama football players since they know theyll show up for court and get the 60k back.
|42 weeks 2 days ago||All the info in the heading....||
I just wanted to direct you to the actual news, which was concise. I even included a little pun...what more do you want from me??????
|42 weeks 2 days ago||If only McCarron was with them....||
They'd stand half of a chance. Then again, McCarron would likely get a one game suspension and the other 4 would transfer to McNiese State for family reasons.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||Interior OL||
Their performance this year will be very telling as to whether Funk is a good coach or just a cool guy. I was disappointed with the OL performance last year given how 4/5 were returning. But who knows, maybe chalk that up to lack of talent and losing Molk who made them look better than they actually were the year before.
Now, with two stud tackles and 2 mountain 4 starts at guard, if he can't get a good push out of the line this year, it's time that he packs his bags. Im still not optimistic given that we couldnt even get good pushes on undersized teams like Northwestern, despite having 3 seniors on the interior and 2 good / great tackles.
Nevertheless, since the coaches are in year 3 with bryant, miller, schofield, lewan, and year 2 with Kalis, the line better be getting it done.
|42 weeks 5 days ago||OL....||
One of the best tackle combinations in the Big 10???? Considering we have the best tackle in the country and another top flight returning guy, I'd say we absolutely have the best tackles in the B1G and "one of the best" in the country.
|42 weeks 5 days ago||Glen Robinson, The Third||
He's the difference maker in all of this. Somehow, somebody with a nice shot, relatively thick 6'7" frame who can jump out of the gym can completely disappear. Everyone else is playing tough and the guy formerly known as GRIII looks like that middling pick in school yard ball that you pick just to not screw up.
First, against OSU, I figured "Ehhh....first big pressure road game...no big deal." Then at Indiana, I figured, "He has some sweet athletes guarding him....and hes on the road....no big deal." Then at HOME against OSU, I was discouraged and figured, "I guess he just can't hack it against equivalent athletes yet."
Now, here we have Wisconsin. A team that can't get 12 inches off of the floor, and this guy can't play defense, rebound or create any sort of a shot.
I'll just chalk it up to being a soft freshman. Nevertheless, when Morgan comes back, I would be surprised if Beilein didnt start going to more 2 big man sets b/c at this point, even Zack Novack (we miss you Zack) has a bigger presence on the interior.
|43 weeks 11 hours ago||Not happening Urban||
1) There is 1/4 the talent in the midwest as there is down south. Argue against it all you want, but for purposes of football, the demographics make it so and population growth has made it more so. Fortunately, since Michigan is one of the only 2-3 teams to get all of that talent, we should be competing with the top of the SEC in a couple of years. But that leaves scraps for the rest of them. It's not like Iowa can just grow great athletes there that Michigan / Ohio wont grab, and good luck getting a kid to fly over Gainesville, Tallahassee, and Tuscaloosa to go to Iowa City.
2) The SEC is willing to pony up the dough for top flight head coaches, facilities, and assistants. I don't find it a coincidence that the only two B1G schools that are paying their coordinators SEC money are recruiting and soon to be performing like the SEC schools. Bielema left for this reason, and I would be shocked if D'Antonio wasnt in the SEC within a few years. You're already behind the 8 ball in regards to location and weather. If your facilities and coaches can't stand up to the recruiting competition, they you don't stand a chance.
|43 weeks 16 hours ago||Well.....||
This is was bound to be the byproduct of recruiting "shifty" RBs, "shifty" WRs, "lean and mobile" OLs, and a bunch of hybrid defensive players far too small for the bigger position and far too slow for the smaller one. Obviously we would have 2 if Lewan decided to leave, but this is what happens when 2/3 of our recruiting classes from 2008-2010 had no shot of the NFL based purely on as Hoke likes to call it...."genetics."
I think by the time the 2015 combine rolls around, we'll perennially see 5-7 Michigan guys.
|43 weeks 17 hours ago||Thomas and Wilson?||
Any shot of Wilson (FS) and Thomas (SS) playing together this year? Much like Kovacs, Gordon was solid against the non-passing B1G, but looked like he was running in a sand box with swim fins on against the athletic aerial attack of South Carolina.
While conference play is what matters most, I'm just anxious to see a tall, fast hitting / hawking secondary as opposed to the slow / smart chess pieces that Mattison has to place perfectly.
|43 weeks 22 hours ago||Settles that.....||
Usually it takes a couple of weeks on campus to figure out who gets the penis shaved into his head during initiation. Fortunately for some other socially inept freshman, that determination has been completed.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Team Genetics....||
That was great quote about changing the team's genetic makeup over the last couple of classes. It'll be nice to finally see some WRs and DBs that are over 6'0 tall and linemen that dont have to soak themselves in chipotle to get to a bloated playing weight of 295.
Once the roster genetics are altered and Gardner gets his redshirt, our system will officially be cleansed of that dark dark era of inexplicalby small "Big" East sized people.
|43 weeks 5 days ago||Stauskas and Robinson...||
I love the swag, but if you want to flash a 3 sign or stare down your entire home crowd whenever you do something sweet, you better be able to be a functioning basketball player when on the road. My god those two guys have disappeared at ohio and indiana. Again, I like their games, and it's tough to expect much more out of 18 year olds, but if you want to act like JJ Reddick at home, you better man up and act like JJ Reddick on the road....or at least do SOMETHING.
|43 weeks 6 days ago||Stud||
The man is exactly what Michigan needed. We all complain about the jerseys and the ticket prices, but the fact of the matter is that since his tenure began, this athletic department has rocketed up the directors cup rankings, has improved beyond belief in the two major sports, and is on track to go from awful 5 years ago, to one of the top few athletic complexes in the country.
If it's the cost of getting in line with the elite of the country (where we all think Michigan belongs), I'll gladly accept the $20 extra per ticket and some misguided stripes / pipes on jerseys. Keep it up Dave.
|44 weeks 1 day ago||Al||
Given Gorgeous Al's voice and cheeks, I would pay good money to hear the following exchange:
"Bubble screens?" - heiko
|44 weeks 4 days ago||SDSU||
SDSU isn't exactly the beachiest place in the world. It's inland San Diego. Relative to the midwest, it's like a vacation spot, but if he's interest in being close to some cool beaches, he'd be better off visiting Miami, UCLA, and USC (once breaching the dangers of the surrounding neighborhood).
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Beats the hell....||
Out of crying while reading Josh Groban lyrics.
|44 weeks 6 days ago||Muppets....||
Do we get muppets if he commits? I know it's probably jumping the gun for muppets since he's still in high school...buuuuut damn it'll be nice to have someone who can break a tackle not named Denard.
|45 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah....||
I view this as a positive. He's going to get much better coaching and play against much higher competition down there. Sky's the limit for someone with that frame. I'd rather have a 50% shot at getting a vastly improved monster than a 90% shot at a really raw 4 year project.
|46 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah....||
Something about Tom and Gisel meeting for some lunch outside Les Dog after getting their haircuts at the Aveda on Liberty just doesnt seem to fit.....
|46 weeks 4 days ago||GRIII.....||
0 RB?!?! my god this guy was underprepared for a big physical game like this. Might not be a 1 and done after all.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Road....||
While I won't say that the football team melts on the road in big games, it can't get it done. This level of blowout is indicative of some BRUTALLY deficient level of balls. This is not good.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||Yes....||
If Nick Saban wants him, that's good enough for me.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||DBs||
When can we expect to get some tall, rangy DBs like Alabama has? Itll be a great day when Mattison can trust his pass coverage enough to freely rush 5-6 like Bama was able to.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Damn....||
Aside from lewan, do we have one guy that would play on that team? After New Years, I was thinking that the rest of the country had started to feel in the SEC. This might be true in regards to other teams, but Bama is in another galaxy.
|48 weeks 2 days ago||Thomas Gordon....||
Please please tell me he will never play again. A sub 6 foot free safety who is SLOW?!?!?!? What the hell were you thinking in recruiting this guy RR??
|48 weeks 5 days ago||2 problems....||
1) this is really lame. Having another player talk about how funny you are is not some ringing endorsement that should be interpreted to make Gardner out to me the next coming of Abe Lincoln. Gardner may be a great guy, but this leap you're making from humor to character is really douchey / overblown.
2) If we want to sit here and say that the SEC is a bunch of liars, cheats, and criminals, all the while Michigan is a bunch of 4.0 eagle scouts that play football on the side, we shouldn't be highlighting that The Most SEC Team ever thinks hed be a great fit.
|50 weeks 4 days ago||wolfman....||
Come on dude. The man signed 3 offensive linemen combined in a 2 year span and had the worst special team's play college football had ever seen. The man had some talent, and given the void of special teams a defense, there were obviously some gaping deficiencies in his coaching.
poor alumni support does not breed 4-13 FG and giving up 65 points to Illinois.
You have some solid arguments, but get real. He did a terrible terrible job in areas outside of factors that could be affected by everybody in the community not coddling his balls.
|50 weeks 4 days ago||Bloodbath....||
Bloodbath shootout narrow victory against a vastly inferior institution (SEE: UMass, Indiana, Illinois). Sounds about right.
|51 weeks 13 hours ago||M||
We dont have a M Volleyball team.
|51 weeks 2 days ago||Student attendance....||
Did you guys notice that the attendance was always within 2,000 of the all time record that was set for the ND game? The students are coming, it's just crammed as hell towards the bottom. Some of you seem to hate the thinning crowds at the top, but come on....if Im supposed to be up in row 93, but can easily go stand crammed down in 15, im heading down.
Sure, many dont show up for the start of crappy noon games (which happen to be most conference games now that the conference blows), but theyre showing up.
Finally, I do concede that the energy isnt what it used to be. But remember, the upper classmen had to deal with 2 years of RichRod hell, and especially if you're an out of state student, you're not going to get bitten by the football bug when getting pushed around by iowa and slaughtered by wisco and osu. Things will get better, but given that the stadium capacity is 109,900 and we're consistently getting 112,000 for crappy games, it's not as though 1/2 of the 20,000 students with tix arent showing up.
|51 weeks 5 days ago||In the spirit.....||
In the spirit of the excitement of women's volleyball and beating penn state, watch these highlights from the 1998 final where Long Beach beat psu. Might be the best in history. Yes, that is the Misty May setting....and my sister in law as the Game 5 13 and 14 point assassin.
|1 year 6 days ago||But....||
Dont forget that Iowa is in a way shittier conference.
|1 year 1 week ago||The opposite of the truth....||
He cares entirely about what the fans want. Your mistake is that you think that the "fans" are represented by 1,000 blog followers who think that adding one layer of extra piping to a jersey or playing music over the speakers is the equivalent of deficating on Yost's grave.
He is a business man that focuses on the demands of his entire customer base. Trust me, if over half of the base felt the way that many on this blog feels, he'd do just as you like.
|1 year 1 week ago||Al....||
Take a page from Frank Ricard in Old School: "W....what happened? I blacked out."
|1 year 1 week ago||This thread....||
There were enough threads and hours of hateful steam blowing....I thought this would be a decent one to actually present Heiko with some serious questions that we'd like to be asked. In my opinion, there should be some sort of thread or poll like this every week.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Relatively bad....||
But when is the last time the B1G has actually had a good bowl season when largely playing SEC / pac schools?
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Miles disdain...||
Why do some people around here carry such disdain for miles? He played here, he comes from the Schembechler tree, it appears that he wanted to coach here after Carr, and he's one of the most respected names in college football.
I find it amusing that people want to disown harbaugh, despite being more of an integral and respected part of this program than all but 20-30 people in its history, due to some slightly disloyal, yet true comments about our academics relative to stanford's. Nevertheless, has miles even done so much as take a tiny dig at michigan that would warrant all of you loving the dude?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||No....||
Richrod was run out of town for getting absolutely destroyed by every resectable team in the Big 10, as well as others. Moreover, our standards had sunk so low that our team was basically dogpiling on the field and the crowd was exuberately chanting "It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!!!" after giving up 700 yards and 65 points to a bad Illinois team.
He would not have been run out of town by beating rivals, recruiting like a monster, playing good teams respectably, and making an oversight in regards to a backup.
This might be the worst thread ever created. You sir / ma'am, are not a very intelligent human being.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||What to do with Bellomy....||
They do what big time programs do with every unathletic QB that can't throw.....run scout team and try to get good enough for serviceable mop up time.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||When is.....||
When is the last time we have had a receiver that can go against a respectable DB and actually get open on his own? Im not talking about someone who can go out and grab a jump ball, settle savvily into a zone, or be the lucky slot receiver on RR's amazing zone read plays that can basically crawl into the endzone.
While Im sure our WRs are going to be blocking like whoa in a few years, my plummetting confidence in Borges has me yearning from athletes, not skill position guys that "don't have high top ends, but are really coachable and have great body control."
|1 year 5 weeks ago||WRs.....||
Nobody ever talks about the possibility that we have the worst group of wide receivers in FBS history. They cant block, they certainly can't catch unless the ball is buried into their stomachs, and Im sorry, but if you're 5'9" you should have flawless hands, and if you're 6'5" and there's a jump ball, you should not be getting outlept and picked off by a 6'1" corner.
So with this, I ask: What in the hell did we recruit between 2008 and 2010???? We know we didnt recruit either line, linebackers, secondary, but our RBs and WRs are abysmal as well. We literally have 2 good players on offense (Denard and Lewan), 3-4 good players on defense, and no sort of depth.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Home town pessimism....||
I wouldn't be too confident in Nebraska if a hometown sports writer spends 90% of his article talking about how sweet Michgan's defense is, how badly it dominated them last year, and mixing in Offensive coordinator quotes to support it all....The the only 10% glimmer of hope is...
But Nebraska’s believes it’s ready for the wrinkles this year. The Huskers have half of a season on tape, and memories of mistakes in the Big House last year to build on.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||IUandUofM - email@example.com||
"I have seen the rest of Columbus.....it is brutal, and cold, and dark....IUandUofM is the light."-Marcus Aurelius
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Actually....||
He was overheard asking about borrowing Tacopants.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Funny....||
But that dude really should have won a Rose Bowl....or at least an Ohio State game before running his mouth on MSU and Harbaugh.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||The Cavalry.....||
While it's not quite here yet, I cannot wait for the day where we are like some of these schools that have elite "depth." That way, when top rounders leave (routinely), we know that another top rounder is about to fill in their shoes.
As for Jake Ryan, I know he's having a great year, but does he have the speed or size to project into a top round LB pick that would have him leave post RS-So year???
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Hoke on the Spread Offense.....||
Remember when Hoke told a reporter that running a spread offense is bad for your defense? I think he might be onto something. See: Oregon, WVU, OSU.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Two things....||
1) I want to marry that girl. It's weird that they'd have an OU pride video and the normal hot girl looks at them like theyre assnuggets for 2/3 of it.
2) Hoke would not pose with a dude like that.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||And even....||
And even our 1 out of 116 is being debated on its own message board. Just wait 3-4 years and we'll have 6-8 guys up on these rundowns....even if they are shakey at the edges.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||1 out of 116....||
There are 116 names up there and only 1 Michigan player. Thanks for loading the cupboard RR.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||While I won't do it.....||
Prepare to be negged. Considering half of this board was making arguments on behalf of Denard beating Usain Bolt in a short sprint, this could be trouble.....
|1 year 8 weeks ago||RR....||
After missing a FG and your head coach says in the press conference, "Well.....it makes it very hard when we can't kick a field goal," the kid is likely going to struggle. But our kicking pre 2011 was just like every other non-offensive part of the team.....an unrefined abomination.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Lansing....||
Is it just me or do they have a sweet game in Lansing every week?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Vandy over Cal???||
Are you nuts? I find it amazing how so many people on this blog have no respect for anything west of the rockies aside from Oregon (who is only good b/c of the system RR invented) and USC (who is only good because they obviously pay every recruit before getting to campus). You do realize that Cal lost a coinflip to OSU on the road and UCLA beat Nebraska? Many pick these teams to beat Michigan. I disagree, but Michigan is not materially better than them. So by taking Vandy over Cal, you think Vandy could potentially handle Michigan?
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Time to grow up ladies......||
If space, money, and overall progress can lead to the demolition of Yankee Stadium, I'm pretty sure the athletic department is not very out of line with getting rid of Ferry Field.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||I think.....||
That means "yes, we work on a package with him everyday and we will break it out for ND and conference play." Either that, or he's being a dick.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||That's awesome...||
Whoever negged this post is an ass.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||The reason...||
The reason major programs in major conferences don't run it any more is the increased speed and size of defenses. Back in its heyday, the best athletes played offense for the most part, and if the QB could beat the middle linebacker and safety to the outside, they'd be in business.
Nowadays, major programs have middle linebackers that aren't Kenny Demens, so running it would be futile. Unfortunately, our MLB plays in the middle of a dense fog while standing in quicksand. Could you imagine any team, no matter the speed, running that slow developing lateral running offense against Alabama, LSU, or any other athletic defense? It'd get destroyed.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Totally agree....||
This is the thing that is keeping me moderately optimistic. Although, I am a little disappointed that this is happening with a bunch of guys that have been in the system for 19 months now. But maybe they'll come around when they get more game experience. Nevertheless, I am worried about this Notre Dame game.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Why is it....||
Why is it when somebody bashes the players RR brought in, citing our lack of experienced and/or good DL, OL, LB, DB, TE, and WR, people immediately yell "DEHRNERRRRRD!!!!!! ?" He's one guy in a sport where one guy cannot hide scars, especially against good teams.
While everyone loves him, he still cannot read a defense and throw the football. Sorry to break it to you guys, but Denard could be at the helm for the next 8 years, and we would not be able to break through this current ceiling of Big 10 competitive, national elite doormat.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Just saw Jake.....||
He was at the Jug with Lewan. Im sure it's prevalent amongst all football players, but Lewan is no 6'8. Id give him 6'5, 6'6 at the most. Jake is at most 6'1".
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Personal foul...||
Remember that personal foul that took Air Force out to the 45 late in the 4th quarter? Roh put his head down and gave a head blow to the qb after he threw it.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Roh...||
Alright, I'll say it.... What a punk. If another D Lineman played a crappy game, then proceeded to throw a cheap ass helmet at the head of a defenseless Denard, we would be 100% all over the guy. Moreover, this almost cost us the game and was blatant. Given how crappy our D Line played, I don't think we'd miss a beat if he was suspended for a game after that crap.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Good notes by both....||
But how can Ken say that there is no chance of Air Force winning, but only pick Michigan to win by 3? Almost any game that is within 3 points is a coin flip at some point late.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Sympathetic alumni???||
Even if they took easier classes than a lot of other students (probably not even a majority, givne how many joke classes / departments there are now at all universities), they put in more work / devotion into their sport than most put into all areas of their college experiences combined.
While I would hire a football player for these reasons, as well as being a huge fan that'd want to continuously talk to them about UM football, I would not hire them out of "sympathy."
|1 year 13 weeks ago||No....||
We are not "too smart" to play at that elite level. We get dangerously close to the Clearinghouse minimum with some of these guys. Moreover, I don't think we have the academic rigor reputation that recruits are mistakenly scared away by when being chased by Stanford and Notre Dame.
If a guy was out of the ball park, we wouldnt even offer him. Look at the top recruits in the country. How many of those do we offer? Most, if not all. I think we are hunting for this excuse to justify our recent poor performances against the nation's elite, but it is an empty argument.
We will be back at the national elite level in a couple of years. This multi year hiccup can be attributed to woeful recruiting at the end of Carr and throughout RR's entire regime.
Remember, Demar Dorsey couldn't even qualify at Louisville. Maybe we won't take a player or two each year with a criminal background, but this does not have the material effect that would justify this "we just have too much character and intelligence to compete with those cavemen" line of reasoning.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Remember...||
Linebackers are soooo dependent on the DL. Our DL was getting pushed off the ball, and not so much as getting an arm off of the block, so that horse RB had 5 yards of momentum when he was reaching our second level. Had our DL not been so overmatched, it would have been our LBs playing fast and downhill as opposed to their RB.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||Well.....||
If he was going to recruit us into depth crises in regards to OL, DL, WR, and LB, then I'm damn glad he was able to recruit a potentially great DB.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||No way!!!||
That's great!!! We landed on the moon!!!
|1 year 14 weeks ago||My theory.....||
First off, the middlings of the SEC are not consistently better than the middlings of other conferences, which is why you have the parity in these records. I would argue, however, that in the last 5-6 years, the top teams of the SEC have been materially better than the top teams in all of the other conferences, except a few years of USC and maybe Oregon. I know you guys have your conspiracy theories, but let's be real....when the top SECs go against the top others, it has been VERY once sided.
I believe that this coincides with the rise of the recruiting websites. Before weekly showcases, recruiting websites, etc. there was a more narrow dispersal of offers. Now, every school offers every one of the top 100 recruits in the country (for the most part). As a result, you have head to head battles for all of the top recruits. And while I love Michigan, you are rarely going to pull top talent out of the south (except Denard) to come up here if they have offers from the top SECs.
From here, I would argue that the southeast has better high school football talent than the midwest / northeast. While I think that the B1G will compete with them now that Hoke and Meyer are recruiting like jedis, leaving sparty and wisconsin with empty cupboards (I also blame parity in the B1G over the last 5-10 years for our futile efforts against the SEC elite), the southeast has more great high school football players. Being warm and less urban than Michigan and Ohio, more kids play football...not to mention year around. This is the same reason that basketball isnt great in the SEC, while the colder areas dominate.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Ummmmmm||
I think you meant coxswain.....Shane Morris will not be dee hart's "cocksman."
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Sparty....||
Their tears would be so much sweeter after losing in the Big House.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||USC....||
Their NFL passing attack will finally end the SEC's reign of terror. The only problem I see is the possiblity of playing Oregon twice. If USC's secondary depth issues pop up, those are going to be coinflip firework shows.
Morris to Treadwell with a brick wall line and pounding RBs will pick up the torch in 2014.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||On a side note....||
Did you guys see BWC's pad level at the 1:33 mark??? Daaaaamn (good).
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Amazing...||
That guy is going to run out on the field to kick off the 2013 season and jump to touch the banner by 2014. I hope they do something to highlight this on senior day with his brother.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||My point....||
Is that he was still able to get a lot of players with a lot of options. In this sense, I am commending his recruiting. If that was in spite of this drastic uncertainty, then all the power to him. Nevertheless, the allocation of positions sucked something awful and a lot of those star guys aren't even here any more (and for the record, nobody any good left because Hoke was here rather than RR).
While semi off topic Section 1, if you arent fortunate enough to be around players when they privately discuss their true feelings about Hoke vs. RR, then take your head out of the sand and see how the players speak about the derp in public.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||You're right.....||
But the uncertainty thing would only hurt the 2011 class. There were no concerns of coach firing, bowl bans, etc with those first two full recruiting classes, as shown by those class' relatively high rankings. He brought in some nice athletes, just apparently a bunch without proper positions, low upside, or low propensity to sit and stay awhile.
Im only responding to Purple who thinks that RR was a great recruiter. He brought in some recruiting website stars, but thats it. The verdict is still out on Hoke, but given his ability to plug gaping holes in a hurry, and has them all on the same page saying the right things, his recruiting seems to be top notch.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Hoke||
I'm fairly certain that Hoke wouldn't allow someone to do that to our helmets. And no, adding a little number on the side is not as drastic as that vomit ND will be wearing.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Yes....||
Our recruiting SUCKED while RR was here. There are three undisputable facts:
1) We have depth problems at non-niche positions, such as offensive line, defensive line, linebacker and wide receiver. For the record, that's over half of the positions on the field....on both sides of the ball.
2) You only pointed to 15 recruits over the course of 3 years.
3) Despite only pointing out 15 recruits over 3 years, about half of them are average Big 10 players. Given that we are at Michigan, you'd think the bar would be a bit higher.
Finally, an opinion: Last year's team tremendously overachieved relative to the prior year. I know we will never be able to convince you of this, but one year of aging doesnt take you from getting physically dominated in your 6 losses to going 11-2 with 2 coinflip losses.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Unfortunately......||
There's that whole hiring, motivating, recruiting people that will stay for a few years, recruiting linemen, recruiting linebackers, adjusting to personel, adjusting to the changing game in general, and consolidating the base behind being a good college football coach. Give it up Section 1. The guy was a dud who could draw some mean Xs and Os. The rest of the game adjusted (see: chip Kelly's spread) and left RR still getting ink on his sleeve from the overhead projector while everyone else moved on to power point.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Mark it zero!!!!||
Mark it zero!!!!
|1 year 17 weeks ago||There are rules.....||
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Regional win....||
While we obviously want to get him, it's great to see that we have won the regional recruiting battle for arguably the top running back in the country. If a kid wants to stay down in SEC country or head out to the pac 10 and sport the neon underwear, there's nothing we can do. All Michigan can do is make itself the kid's top B1G / Midwest choice, which Hoke & Co. are doing masterfully with so many top players.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||The JoePa nugget....||
It got me thinking about last year's keynote and I remembered that part. Probably could have just thrown it onto the front page thread.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||These people....||
These people = major sport college athletes. If you thought I had some sort of racial intention, get off of your p.c. high horse and grow up. While there might be a few football players that could have gotten into Michigan on their own, the vast vast majority wouldn't have. If you can't acknowledge at least that little bit, you are jaded.
My point was that they are given this monstrous opportunity. With that comes responsibility. I have never gotten a DUI and I can promise you that if under the microscope at Michigan, all while receiving top flight everything for free as compensation for representing my university on and off the field, I wouldn't be so damn foolish as to so much smell alcohol and drive. ESPECIALLY after seeing Stonum run out of the program.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Like I previously said...||
There is a higher standard if you are receiving a full ride, academic support, and multi million dollar facilities, all so you can represent the university in a respectable manner on and off of the field. If some random SAE gets a DUI, nobody cares. You're damn right there is a double standard. That comes with the territory of having the opportunity at national glory and a free education.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Unbelievable....||
I really can't believe these guys. The excuse of "oh theyre just kids...we all make mistakes" is off base. These people are given full scholarships to academic institutions they otherwise wouldn't be at. They are made into demi-gods and are intensely relied upon to represent their school in the spotlight and most importantly, their teammates and coaches.
I lose all respect for players to run these risks (not just the ones who get caught), ESPECIALLY after having a wakeup call like the Stonum expulsion. I hope Thomas Rawls thumps Alabama and Toussant gets Wally Pipped and never seens the field again.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||New Paint?!?!||
ARGH!!! There Brandon goes again trying to kill all tradition. That paint has seen so much and it's shameful that it must go after a gloriously rich (no pun intended)...15 years...or something.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Slightly disappointed....||
I know that football games, especially in the Big 10, are won and lost on the lines. Nevertheless, I am a little disappointed that after the 2012 OL haul and early 2013 OL rampage, coupled with the stud pro style QB with a howitzer, that we haven't been able to pull down many "top" WR / RBs. Don't get me wrong, I think we have great quality there, but given the pieces in place early, we really had an amazing selling point for any elite RB / WR: 1) RBs: You will run behind a brick wall / crushing FB, plus will be protected from defenses by your stud QB. 2) WRs: Your pro style QB with a rocket arm will be protected by a brick wall.
I'm sure some of these WR/RB recruits will make this go away. I really like the height on some of these guys. They have terrific opportunities ahead and might be great sleepers.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Long snapper....||
Has it actually been confirmed that this guy already got a scholarship? It just seems so counter intuitive at this point that like a lot of other people on this board said, it could be one of those conditional scholarships if we don't fill spots. If there isn't anything beyond the kid saying he got a scholarship, then I think he should be under that preferred walk on category.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Another great RR recruit....||
So let me get this straight, since I wasn't around 3 years ago, but not only was RR consistently pulling in substandard talent, but he was pulling down substandard talent with horrible baggage?
I now understand why we have depth problems at almost every position and his teams horribly under achieved.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Academic Rankings...||
Stop with the world ranking BS. This is heavily heavily weighing faculty prestige and grad programs that football players will never see / benefit from. Let's just call them equals as undergrad, even though the "experts" would say that USC's undergrad is better.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||No.||
All I'm saying I that it was obviously a mistake. I'm not saying "argh bill Martin shouldv known!!" although, perhaps one with decent foresight could see how terrible we were going to be in year 1 and how that'd get the pot boiling with such a winning tradition. Couple the boiling pot with a soft ass coach that cries in the public spotlight, and you have a disaster.
But who could've foreseen that a man could make 3m per year and be a stubborn ass who wouldn't adjust 1 iota to his players and coaches' skills, blame his players' youth at any turn of adversity (funny how we managed with 4 freshmen getting significant time on defense in 2011), and oversee the great migration of talent away from the program (funny how nobody of any significance transferred last year). Let's face it, he was terrible in every facet of coaching a major program (aside from developing a great run-spread qb and banquet song selection), and those around him didn't have the integrity or skills to pick up the slack on his obvious incompetences.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Grow up Section 1||
1) assuming that bacon is 100% accurate in his assessments that people were undermining RR and that he didn't get a fair shot just lends more credence to the FACT that the hire was a mistake. Whether he was an awful politician (a skill which is necessary at a big time program) or people were just flat out awful undermining human beings (lets call it a split, even though I have a sneaking suspicion it was more the former), it still means at the end of the day that it was a mistake bringing him in. A guy could be the greatest corporate strategist in the world, but if his executives are incompetent/want to see him fail, he probably wasn't the best hire since results are what matter.
2) The coaches salaries make a difference. There is no doubt about that. Nevertheless, we were fielding defenses worse than schools that pay their staffs 1/3 of what we were with 1/10 of the recruiting power and 1/100 of the coaching prestige. So while a factor, it would excuse having 40th ranked defenses / special teams, not 100+.
Question for you Section 1: why did we / still have depth problems at every position except running back and quarterback? As evidenced by Hoke, full regime / style changes dont necessarily breed mass attrition of key players. In spite of undermining admins and coaches ONLY making 250k per year, it doesn't excuse the horrible underachievement, attrition, and general program mockery that Michigan football was exposed to during his reign.
|1 year 30 weeks ago||Decisions....||
I know....because that decision to hire Hoke despite the pitchforks being busted out was a horrible decision. That decision to expand the budget to pay top $$ for assistance coaches was a horrible decision. That decision to approve the expansions of the Big House and Crisler (if you don't think he was a driving force behind these as Regent, you are naiive) really turned out shitty too. Let's face it, everything he has had control over has been golden over the last few years.
If all you have to nitpick is increasing ticket prices, a couple of stripes on jerseys in random games, and not giving a coach an extra year in the midst of a disastrous downward spiral of performance, image, and player devotion, then you should be so lucky.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||"Pretending" to be in the Michigan Family||
Sorry to break it to the "Fredo" comparison author, but a former QB who teabagged Ohio in Columbus his senior year after a guaranteed victory will forever be more a part of the Michigan football "family" than we will ever be. What a joke. Erase everything the guy did and continues to do to bring pride to this school just because he told a truth that everybody in this country knows.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Michigan v. Stanford Academics....||
Stanford is a better school. I have a lot of pride in Michigan, but if you're just talking academics, the schools don't compare. There are many people on Michigan's undergrad campus that could have gone to Stanford, but I can near guaranty you that there isn't one person on Stanford's undergrad campus that couldn't have come to Michigan. Sure there are some world rankings out that have us close, but that is due to the grad programs. Considering that we're talking about football players who go to undergraduate institutions, the places don't even compare from an academic setting stand point.
Harbaugh could have come out and said Stanford was a better school. Instead, he simply said that there is more of an academic mind set in Stanford's athletic department. Get over it.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||repeat||
|1 year 31 weeks ago||b...b.....b...but....||
b.....but he claimed that michigan football players aren't rhodes scholars (argh!!!!), completely negating his 21-3 record as QB, guaranteed victory over Ohio, and meteoric rise to the upper echelons of NCAA and NFL coaches, bringing a lot of pride to the University.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||You're wrong....||
They can't just sit there and accumulate profits. If they actually are "profiting" then they need a plan to spend it since they are a non-profit organization.
So they won't just follow the open market just for the sake of making profits, since the IRS would have a field day. Sure, the market permits them to charge more, but that enables them to subsidize.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||No No No....||
First, the Illitch parallel being "different" doesnt make it a straw man.
Next, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have / subsidize these sports. I'm saying that the extreme amount of perks for the sports that don't come close to covering their own costs shouldn't come at the hands of long time football / basketball fans. People are entitled to believe that they should, but with that, I say that you can't bitch at DB for pinching pennies.
The whole point of this was to say that the extra profits are not going towards making our football / basketball programs top notch like some people believe. If DB didnt pinch and gouge to get an extra $5m per year out of football / basketball, the football / basketball teams wouldn't sacrifice 1%. It's the other non revenue generating sports that benefit from our band not going to the football game and ticket prices increasing 10% per year.
My personal opinion is that they shouldn't. You can believe that they should. I am just stating that they are. That is all.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||No.....||
Continue subsidizing, but if you're someone who thinks Michigan should have the Taj Majal of wrestling and soon to be lacrosse, then don't be mad if DB is pinching pennies.
I personally think they should be subsidized, but I feel that bringing the band to a football game and not pricing long time fans / students out of football / basketball tickets is more important than a niche sport having its own weight room and 10 track jackets per player.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||Please elaborate.....||
You didn't address one of my claims, but just said that I'm completely wrong....and as the other person said, I'm "ignorant." That's Sparty argument methodology right there. I thought we were supposed to be better than that.
Keep in mind that you may be biased since your name is MGoSoftball, but I don't consider softball as much of a niche sport. They get good crowds, cover some of their own costs, and get on ESPN almost every year.
Nevertheless, I would like the people who think my arguments are ignorant / stupid to address my previous question:
Would you all be happy if Ford / Illitch charged an extra $15 per ticket to Lions / Tigers games so they could fund a major league water polo team representing the city of Detroit? Let me pre-empt the following argument: "It's different." Of course it's different. They're different teams, but they are parallel in that they both involve high revenue / highly popular sports milking their fans in order to support another representative from the area's sporting community.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||Come on....||
Im not saying they're not great athletes in their respective sports...my post had 2 points:
1) we don't need to milk everybody dry of money in order to have the best in breed of the main sports. They generate their own revenues to cover their own top flight costs.
2) Sports that garner 20 people coming to watch every game do not deserve their own buildings, weight facilities, etc. The niche sports at Michigan are no different than those in the lesser athletic conferences in regards to prestige, school recognition, etc, so why should they get the best at the expense of football / basketball fans???? Would you be happy if the Lions charged you an extra $15 bucks per ticket just so Ford could fund a major league water polo team's world class weight room so they could more effectively represent the city of Detroit?
And by the way, my brother played a niche sport at UM, so I'm not ignorant as "#$%@." He would always joke about the ridiculous amounts of perks he received despite playing a sport that nobody cared about.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||Money in the athletic department....||
People always say that they need to make as much $$$ as possible in football and basketball so we can continue to put out the best athletic products in the country. This is BS, unless you're somebody who cares about any sport other than football, basketball, and hockey. What milking the football fans does is it allows all of those other niche sports that tens of fans give a crap about to have beautiful facilities, enable UM to pull other niche athletes that are slightly better than the other niche athletes in their niche sports due to having the facilities that none of them deserve. Sure, once in a blue moon we win a national championship that hundreds of people will hear about, and it enables us to go from 8th to 5th in the Directors Cup, but is it really worth it?
Maybe it is worth it if you like to say/think "Hail" an extra time per year when we win a randon national championship, but making an extra few hundred thousand here or there is not making 1% of an incremental difference to the sports that 98% of the fans care about.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||If going for an MBA....||
I'd recommend spending the extra year to get a real degree and go to law school.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||OSU blogs....||
Let me guess, OSU blogs won't count this as a head to head recruiting win for Hoke, since it's a running back who favors pro-style. Then when OSU gets another running back with a UM offer, they'll count that as a win, even though we likely told them that we're not taking another running back.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Picture....||
I tried to snap a picture, but the sheer weight of the point and stern gaze fried my iPhone's camera lens.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Arizona.....||
What was RR recruiting him for? O Line? He has Omameh's exact build when he was recruited so I wouldn't put it past him.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Meyer is an idiot.....||
Big big mistake. Even if for some reason he had a couple of linebackers slightly higher on his list, not bringing a legacy into the program is foolish. I bet Hoke would lower his standards to bring in a legacy, knowing the fire they would bring to the rivalry. Meyer has an in-state kid, likely a life long Buckeye fan, who is a 4 star across the board, and just leaves him out. You know this guy holds some resentment towards Meyer and will likely lay some crushing blows on Dunn & Co. over the next few years.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||oh yeah....||
And we were arguably younger this year than last year. Does maturing from a 4th year senior to a 5th year senior really change much? No. At the end, our defense was playing 3 true freshmen and a RS freshman as part of their core units. We matured a lot from last year, but that was due to actually having competent coaches for the first time in awhile.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Just because.....||
Just because you and RR said it doesn't make it true. We were 7-6, got obliterated in our last 3 games, and didn't exactly put up fights to where you could call them "coin flip" losses in the other 3. I'm not arguing that basketball's season wasn't more impressive, but I can't stand it when people jump on board with RR's "we were going to be waaaaay better argument." I get why he's saying it (wanted to keep his job and inspire some sort of confidence), but the fact that people on this board are going along with it is pretty funny.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||WRs and RBs.....||
Aside from focusing more on the lines and other defensive positions since somehow we had less depth than a dwarf colony's kiddie pool at those positions, I bet a lot of elite WRs were hesitant in 2012, knowing that they would have one more year of Denard, then a first year quarterback at the helm. RBs like Dunn were probably put off by the fact that Toussant emerged. Now that Denard will be gone and Toussant will be a senior (or maybe off to the NFL) when the 2013 guys get to campus, I would be shocked if we didn't haul in a top 10 WR and top 10 RB, given the lines, QBs, and lack of stars at these positions going forward. Moreover, once we start moving more towards an NFL style offense, the elite RBs and WRs whose main goal is to get to the NFL will be flocking here over all of the schools running the spread.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||read my post above....||
It isn't the NCAA...it's the quality of baseball in the entire region.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Big 10 baseball.....||
As a former college baseball player who played on the east coast, against many Big 10 teams, and grew up in California, I can speak in a very educated manner on this topic. Even if Michigan played in a fully domed stadium or played during another season where weather did not play a role, it would not do anything to get the Big 10 even close to the southern and western powerhouses. Sure, baseball is a sport where anybody can beat anybody on a given day, especially when that once every 10 year phenom pitcher from the midwest takes the hill against Stanford, Florida, Fullerton, etc. Therefore, individual games can be won, but in regards to having the quality program that can consistently make a legitimate Omaha run and stand up to the big boys, it will never happen again unless the stars allign perfectly.
Problem: The major problem that sets Big 10 / east coast baseball apart is that youth and high school baseball in these other regions is on an entirely different wavelength. This wasn't necessarily the case 30-50 years ago before the wealth/population/baseball craze boom hit the west coast. Cal State Fullerton gets 90% of its players from within a 30 mile radius, all while splitting recruits with UCLA, Stanford, USC, etc., and still puts up national contenders almost every year. While Michigan may get most of the All State Michigan players, I can guarantee you from experience that all but maybe a 2-3 would struggle making so much as all league in certain parts of this country. Sorry to say, but with the major boom of competitive travel baseball in the south and west, this disparity is growing even wider. Moreover, there is no way that a west coast / southeast baseball player will turn down UCLA and Stanford, or Vanderbilt/UVa to come up to Ann Arbor to play baseball. They will with football so they can play in front of 115,000, but they sure aren't going to leave behind better coaching and better weather for imrpoving their game, to come out to these frozen winters.
Solution: Be content with the fact that Big 10 baseball will never be a consistent competitor with these baseball powers much in the same way that these other areas will never be able to compete in a sport like hockey. Nevertheless, since baseball is a sport where short runs can be made when the stars allign, enjoy that one run every 5-10 years that Michigan may make in a regional. Maybe one day, lightning will strike, and they will get to Omaha. But to think that tweaks can be made to college baseball to level the playing field is just foolish. The playing field will not be level until the day that a generation of kids all decide to play baseball over football and basketball. Given the weather issues and lack of coaching out here, I wouldn't recommend that.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||This won't help.....||
This will not help big 10 baseball.....even if somehow it was still eligible for post season play. The reason big 10 baseball and the rest of midwest/east coast college baseball is terrible is because high school and youth baseball in these regions are all terrible compared to the Southeast, Texas, Arizona and California. Whenever 4 months of the year completely strip people from playing, the youth levels will never be competent, which will prevent the colleges from being national contenders. Sure you might get your superstar now and again get drafted out of high school from the region, but that is just a function of having a genetically gifted player who turned out to be one of the few that chose baseball. If that player doesn't go pro, he will likely find his way to a southern / western school where the coaching is infinitely better and he can practice adequately year around.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||If only....||
If only we all went to a shitty university where nobody could find any sort of gainful employment and the market demanded lower ticket prices, we wouldnt have to deal with this "problem."
As for the $7,500, that's probably for the first time buyer who didn't go to the university and has never donated a dime wanting to get a seat inches from Beilein. When we start hearing about lifer season ticket holder alumni who have consistently donated a few hundred bucks a year getting bought out of their seats, then there could be an argument against this system. Until then, if you want the best teams, you need the best players, which require the best facilities and coaches, which requires the most money.
Id rather go to 5 games per year watching a sweet team in an awesome facility, then watch that great team make a tournament run on TV, as opposed to going to 15 games per year watching some crappy team that will make it out of the first round once every decade.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Grow up....||
Everyone is way too bitter about his comment about Michigan football's academics...which was solidified by that majors list that came out last week. If anyone has earned the right to criticize his alma mater, it is Harbaugh. The guy is arguably the greatest coach in all levels of football, and he is a proud alumnus. Just because he took a crack at the Michigan football academics doesnt disparage this.
Was it self serving while he was at Stanford? Absolutely. This doesn't mean it wasn't true and he didnt have the right to say it. If we take a look at the list of player majors from the 1980s, I have a sneaking suspicion you will find it more in line with the student population than the current team.
The undergrad education here is great. The overall university is elite. The athletic department is top notch in every regard (except baseball). Be proud of it and don't be so insecure when one of our most successful alumni says something that isn't 100% in line with HAIL MICHIGAN!!!!
|1 year 41 weeks ago||WR & RBs||
I am having trouble understanding (aside from the weather/location) why any top flight WR or RB would not come here. Michigan is setting up to have an inpenetrable O-Line with one of the top pocket passing QBs in the country. Given the amount of top teams that run the spread now, Michigan is in a great place for the NFL prospect types that never would have considered coming here had RR still been running his system. It'll be very interesting in a few years to see how few NFL players we churn out between 2011-2014 compared with 2015-2018.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Greatest......hire......ever.....||
That is all.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Grad programs.....||
This is mostly due to the grad programs. Since we are a football board with a thread talking about undergraduate football players, that stat is a little misleading. While our undrergrad degree is still better than OSU's, the difference between #30 and #50 with undergrad degrees is a lot smaller than say the #5 and #25 grad program.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Let's be rational......||
We can all harp on how much better of a degree Michigan is, because well, it is an infinitely better degree....especially for those who have gone through the stellar grad programs that are ranked amongst the world's elite.
With that being said, let's not try and pretend our players are that much more intelligent and taking way harder classes that those at OSU. This thread is basically showing us exactly what Harbaugh was talking about: The football players are rarely in real majors taking real classes. I understand that they have major time commitments, but they mostly have 5 years, with classes each summer. Personally, I found that list to be pretty surprising on the negative. Somehow, a lot of this board took this as a "aha....see how much more academic our players are."
|1 year 41 weeks ago||20 years ago....||
Did anybody have any idea about recruiting or did people just show up to the first game and see the new flock of freshmen?
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Rest of class....||
OK, so it seems as though we're setting up to have a Wisconsin OL, a stud pocket QB, SEC caliber LBs and DT, and a bruising tailback. We're a couple elite WR/DBs with size away from having the first non-USC team to compete with the elite SEC in almost a decade.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Repeating...||
Why people keep repeating that it "sounds like" his parents want him to hold off and take other visits? I know we all like to read into words spoken in these interview, but the kid expressly said it twice. I guess someone saying "I like ice cream" sounds like they like ice cream, but does it really need to be stated?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||38-14 Rebounding....||
For the love of god, will somebody acknowledge that we are the least physically imposing team in America (outside the Ivy League)? There are high school teams with way better size and toughness.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Negative recruiting....||
2) Our degrees are very comparable....large state school with big alumni network. Unless you're from Michigan, you probably wouldn't know the difference. Also, Michigan really sets itself apart in its grad programs...the undergrad is maybe top 30, to where if some SEC / Big 10 school is 40-60, I dont think a kid going into undergrad is really going to give a crap about the Michigan academic advantage...especially when most of that advantage will never be realized since Im not sure the last time a big time football recruit pulled a 170 on the LSAT or 30+ on the MCAT. Also, kids get jobs based on graduating at big time college football programs. Trust me, the football players going to Alabama, Texas, Florida, etc. that are graduating with a moderately human GPA are getting hooked up with jobs in the same way that Michigan players do.
3) Brady Hoke is all about the seniors....sooooo if you want to play early, you better beat senior X out by a huge margin. (This isn't necessarily true, but when you hear him on TV talking about the seniors, then another coach throws a half truth in there, it could stick: SEE Republican primary).
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Excuses....||
If there is any excuse other than "they have better athletes at nearly every position and absolutely crush us on the boards," then we are kidding ourselves. I want to route for guys like Douglass, Novak, Smotrycz, and some of our bench players, but let's get real, Burke and Hardaway, and sometimes Morgan are the only ones that belong out there on a consistent basis if we want to consider ourselves in the same sentence as some of the elite teams. In other words, some of the core of our team are, if anything, only role players in the elite basketball programs.
We will look back in 2014 and realize that these guys who play 20-35 minutes for us in 2012 would be mop up time eaters.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||ummmm.....||
Aside from Burke and Hardaway, we really look like a solidly disciplined Ivy League team. My hat is truly off to Beilein for not losing by 30 to teams like Ohio. Nevertheless, where in the hell has the recruiting been? I know we have a stacked class finally coming in, but why are 5 doughy white guys who aren't Kevin Love and can't shoot threes getting scholarships and playing basketball at the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN?????