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|3 weeks 18 hours ago||USC & UCLA (and maybe Cal and||
USC & UCLA (and maybe Cal and Stanford) are the only ones who I could see wanting some protection for their "turf" [or as Shaw made it a point to mention, they Stanford is so "selective" the camps might not make much sense for them]. But I would think the other Pac-12 schools would love to be involved in camps not only in LA and the Bay Area, but Texas and other parts of the country, too.
Looks like the Sun Belt voted against them, (and maybe one other), but the B1G was joined by 3 of the G-5 conferences in being in FAVOR, so that refutes the argument that smaller schools felt they are at a disadvantage.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||One argument I haven't heard||
One argument I haven't heard Leach or Harbaugh or anybody else mention so far is the positive effects of these camps have for high school coaches and college assistant coaches. They have a chance to network not only with athletes, but other coaches from around the country, and demonstrate how they coach.
This is very big in terms of career opportunities for them.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||A double header. Bring back||
A double header. Bring back Band Day! [though I think they should do Band Day for the Spring Game]
The university could make it a big recruiting weekend for a lot of potential students- athletes and non-athletes alike.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||In a few years, I predict 1||
In a few years, I predict 1 NYE game and 3 NYD games will be the quarter-finals, and this discussion will be moot.
[The semi-finals will be the 2nd Saturday or Monday after that, and the final a couple of weeks after that. It's not the NFL, so the games don't have to be every week. A bye week between games gives players more chance to recover, go to class, etc.]
|8 weeks 2 days ago||I agree television. However,||
I agree as far as television goes. However, I think the bigger problem would be selling tickets to a midweek playoff game after the holidays are over for most people. A CFB semi-final in front of a half-empty stadium doesn't make for good visuals.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||I think the reason they like||
I think the reason they like the idea of NYE games is they can also promote all the NYD games, and use the NYD to promote the upcoming playoff final.
If the playoff games are on NYD, they will pretty much crowd out the other games- it's about making the most of the time slots that are available for playoff games AND bowl games.
Personally, I'd prefer to see the playoff semifinals held on the Saturday (and) Monday AFTER NYD.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Never on Sunday||
Dating back to the 1960's there has been an agreement (or maybe it was an act of congress), that basically kept the NFL from playing games on Saturdays (and possibly colleges from playing games on Sundays as well ) at least during the college regular season
|14 weeks 2 days ago||Recently I have had the||
Recently I have had the suspicion- nothing to prove anything at the moment- that Harbaugh is intentionally pushing the envelope, secretly hoping to get reined in and see the rules changed so they make more sense, for coaches and recruits.
Does he really want to spend the next decade or so climbing trees, sleeping in recruit's bedrooms, etc? Probably not. Would he? He's shown he will, and trying to have as much fun as he can doing so.
He's taking things to extremes, pointing out the logical absurdities regardng what you can and can't do in recruiting. Hopefully they will lead to more serious discussions about a whole range of things- oversigning; gray shirts; sattelite camps; contact and texting rules; proper and improper contac; scholarship numbers; transfer rules; etc.
In the meantime, he is also making it clear to current and future players, fans and anyone else that he will do as much as the rules allow to succeed, no matter what others do or think, and they had better be prepared to do the same.
|16 weeks 14 hours ago||But isn't that what a playoff||
But isn't that what a playoff really is by definition? It's a game played ONLY when standings and champions cannot be clearly determined otherwise. What we call "playoffs" are really tournaments. The hated 1-game playoff games in MLB at the end of the season are the closest things to real playoffs.
The college conference championship games (in football, or conference tourneys in basketball, etc) were just an artificial construct to try to game the system, getting:
b) boost the ratings of the team that wins
c) in the team with the poorer record wins, they claim the conference's (bowl or tournament) slot; and hopefully the team with the better record doesn't fall too much and grabs another spot (a two-for-one)
If the goal were truly to find the best team, each conference would use criterion and/or vote at the end of the season. If they couldn't decide, then they would "play it off".
|17 weeks 1 day ago||OK, then how about 3 or 4||
OK, then how about 3 or 4 divisions?
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Does anyone know how they do||
Does anyone know how they do the ratings mathematically?
e.g. if channel hop, or you miss the first quarter, and see the 2nd & 3rd, while watching something else at halftime or toward the end of a blowout.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Would seriously love to see||
Would seriously love to see Georgia Tech join the conference.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Frankly, 8 is ideal- enough||
Frankly, 8 is ideal- enough to play round-robbin (2 games each in basketball), and 5 other non-conference games in football. I actually prefer non-conference games (if they are good ones), and it is good to for differenct fans around the country the chance to see Michigan, too.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||More likely Texas goes||
More likely Texas goes independent, which I think they would be ready to do any time they don't get their way. Between Texas and Notre Dame, even if the super conferences came into being, they would not have absolute power.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I'd rather boot Nebraska than||
I'd rather boot Nebraska than either of those two. At least they bring expanded recruiting territories with them. Nebraska doesn't.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||The Big Teen conference||
I have been calling it the Big Teen conference for a couple of years- pretty simple, and that way, we're covered until we get to twenty.
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Besides his offense, I am not||
Besides his offense, I am not sure his in-your-face, gimmicky motivational style would initimidate and work on pros the way it does on 19 and 20 year olds.
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, but didn't we expect||
Yeah, but didn't we expect 2014 would be a down year for them (with a young OL, ineperience at QB, etc,)?
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Which is why, in a weird way,||
Which is why, in a weird way, it is probably a good thing for us they won the championship last year. It just raised their level of expectations and dissatisfaction and disappointment for them when they don't get there.
(They also raised the profile of the B1G and made it more of a guarantee to make the playoff if we can win the B1G championship. If they had lost to Alabama last year, after the poor showings of MSU and Iowa this week, winning the B1G would be called into question).
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Yesh, but in those days we'd||
Yesh, but in those days we'd go and "teach 'em a lesson" with a good punch in the nose.
That's kind of frowned upon these days.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||How about the ratings for||
How about the ratings for this year's NY Day games (i.e. non-playoff games)?
I would assume they might be improved, though I guess you would have to compare that to the years before the playoff.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||New Year's Day, 2017 will be on a Sunday||
...so college games are moved to Monday.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Casual Viewers||
I would guess one reason is those casual fans who don't follow CFB closely. They are used to watching on New Year's Day, and may not have even been aware the playoff games were the night before.
I actually prefer it this way, as it gave me a chance to watch other games on New Year's Day.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Mike Patrick||
"I don't think the final score is gonna change"
With all the name mistakes, etc. I think Mike Patrick has either been working too much, or might have enjoyed his NYE a bit too much. I don't recall him being so bad in the past.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||I hope we can feel as||
I hope we can feel as confident about our next QB in September as we do about Rudock now.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Nice to see Perry get some||
Nice to see Perry get some action.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Just spent NYE at a party on||
Just spent NYE at a party on the 51st floor of a building here, and at one point I was recalling Towering Inferno. Didn't hear about Dubai until later. Weird.
|20 weeks 4 days ago||Well if you want to get||
Well if you want to get technical, (based on the assumption that the purpose of a playoff is to determine the most worthy champion), then a playoff should only occur when it is necessary- when a determination cannot be made, such as a tie. [in that sense, the 1-game baseball playoffs that everyone hates, are the only true playoff games.].
If one (P5) team is undefeated and all the rest have a loss, that team should be crowned champion- no need for a playoff. Or if there are three teams clearly better than the rest, only those teams should be included in a playoff.
It's because everybody has a different idea of what a playoff means and should be- the "best"?; the most "deserving"?; best- in what way?; deserving- how?- and then trying to fit it into a format that is both systematic and lucrative, that there will never be correct answer.
|20 weeks 4 days ago||You are kidding yourselves if||
You are kidding yourselves if you think you can:
a) exclude ND (or any independent) from possible inclusion, or force them to join a conference
b) force a P5 conference (Big 12) to have a conference championship game
c) be able to exclude the G5 from a tournament in the long run without costly legal challenge
|20 weeks 4 days ago||Regular season would matter a||
Regular season would matter a lot, especially conference games. More than now, where only Rankings matter.
OSU, by losing to MSU, knocked themselves out of a chance to an auto-bid; and as it turned out, the playoffs entirely.
BTW we would still have the debate of which team is more worthy of an at-large bid: 12-1 Iowa or 11-1 OSU?