this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
|46 weeks 1 day ago||REBUILDING||
We are still rebuilding, whether we like the word or not, and we have yet to determine when we will be rebuilt or if we will be rebuilt and whether our current coaching staff can rebuild us,. That is evident from the game, and now we have to see how the rest of the season pans out before we can say these kids are unmotivated and accept defeat so easily.
|1 year 11 hours ago||Changes Made this off season......||
Make me think the seat is not as hot as portrayed by the BTN nor ESPN. Maybe just a little warm..........
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Taunting and Megaphone in Columbus||
Would get your ass kicked though!
|1 year 7 weeks ago||1997 UM vs PSU Game||
A stomping that put us at no. 1 at PSU, 38-6 and it was not as close as the score indicated!
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Sure we might be 8-4||
Thus, Hoke extension talk is way too early which was the main point. We have been mediocre overall since Bo died before 2006 OSU game, let's see how this season plays out. His players are now here on O and D and had some time, we need to see progress both in terms of performance on the field and wins.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||HOKE EXTENSION TALK TOO EARLY.......||
I think we ought to be waiting until the season is over before we talk about extensions for Hoke, the key is improvement from last year both on o-line and offensive running game. Defense to improve but not as much as offense. We are not considered top 25 material this year by many experts, so an 8 or 9 win season would be outperforming last year.
For those who want to replace Hoke, who do we get instead? Not sure I see anyone available that would take this job that would be an instant and obvious improvement. Plus, Hoke goes, and there goes our D coordinator for sure.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Hope for Progress||
Best we can do is hope for progress and health, I doubt we can become a Championship line in 1 year, but servicable with a mobile QB and some weapons on the outside and a screen game, maybe........All we can do is wait and see at this point, lots of work to be done between now and Appalachian State!
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Huge W||
Found a way to win this game, would have lost it last year.......
|1 year 21 weeks ago||GR3||
Great play, and using Stauskas as a decoy was a smart strategy!
|1 year 25 weeks ago||What about Charles Woodson????||
We were 8-4 the two years before we recruited him, so it is only part of the equation.....
|1 year 27 weeks ago||No Train Wreck, but had some talent.....||
Must have, because we went 11-2 Hoke's first year, so if not a train wreck then what is the right phrase to say what Hoke inherited? A mediocre B1G program??? Sort of where we are right now.....
|1 year 27 weeks ago||Honestly, Rankings Matter more at end of season,,,,,||
We were ranked fairly high early on this season before our losses to Charlotte and ISU. My reality is that the top for this team is likely to be a 1st division finish in the B1G (top 5?) and a sweet 16 appearance given what we have seen so far this basketball year to date. Anything beyond that would be very surprising to me. However, we have some games coming against MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, and Iowa that will tell us whether we have improved enough to do better than this.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||When you coming to PSU Coach Schiano?||
Interesting comment, when do you think you will be coming to the B1G at PSU?
|1 year 29 weeks ago||I Root for Michigan and B1G In Bowls/Non-conference||
I just don't get this concept of rooting against MSU and OSU except when they play us or if a loss in conference helps us win a division title. Guys, that is the kind of thinking that prevails in places like Columbus and East Lansing where they remain focused on how we do instead of how they do. Like it or not, we are living through the tear down and rebuilding phases of Michigan football since Bo died in 2006. A little humility and grace might be a good thing to acquire, before we get all arrogant again (boy, I hope we get good enough to be arrogant again someday!).
But, if you have to define yourself by rooting against your big rivals, I guess that is your choice but not mine.
|1 year 30 weeks ago||Fort Schembechler back in force....||
People are always trying to read more into what comes out of the Fort than what is said, and have been for any number of years since I can remember being a freshmen in 1976. They confuse non-full disclosure (i.e. They are not going to give us intimate details of all the goings on) with there somehow being a wall of secrecy to be breached. Instead, Hoke is who he is, says what he thinks, does not air his dirty laundry in public, and people try to analyze it like he is one of the old Soviet Union politburo members.
Like you, it is time to accept Hoke at his word, and judge him by both his words and deeds. There is no super secret agenda or special insight to be gained by parsing his every statement. Reality is that the team is 7-5, was very inconsistent over the year on offense and on defense, appears to be short of experienced talent and depth, and hopefully those issues are being addressed and fixed by the current staff. 2014 will be another year to see if the team improves and we have an upward trajectory or if we are doomed to B1G football purgatory for another 2-??? years. All we can do is wait and watch and hope!
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Oregon for Navarre....||
That was the trip to play Oregon and not UCLA you are thinking about. And we were in that game with a shot to win.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Not Allowed to Diss Michigan QB's||
Once, back in 1984, while attending a Michigan vs MSU game, our boys and especially our QB at the time starting for his first year (Jim Harbaugh) were not playing very well on offense. So, I casually mentioned to my buddy and roomate at the time, that I wish Harbaugh would get dinged up because he is not playing well and I would like to see if our back-up QB would be better (Chris Zurbrugg). On the very next play, Harbaugh got his arm broke, and we wound up with Bo's worst season going 6-6. Therefore, I am not allowed to criticize or comment or make any statements regarding Michigan QB's during games whether in attendance or watching on tv! There's my superstition after destroying our 1984 season!
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Maize Turf?????||
Watching all these multi-colored fields make me wonder when DB will be changing our field color to Maize and what corporate sponsor will be funding it? (Aflac, Dominos, who has maize as a color logo???)
Hint: Sarcasm here boys, sarcasm!
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Tiger Path Clear, Choo makes no sense||
They wanted a better bullpen, and better infield defense and to score runs more consistantly. They looked over the Fielder deal and his relationship with the entire team and decided to deal him not only due to the big contract but how he fit with the team. They move Miguel back to 1B where he can stay healthy, they protect him with Victor, they sign an elite closer in Nathan, they deal Fister to create room for Smyly in the rotation, and they create room for Castellanos at either 3B or OF as their best prospect. They already have a good CF (Jackson) and adding Choo makes little sense for them.
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Opinions are nice....||
Brandon's and the new President's opinions are likely the only ones that matter. We can all claim unacceptable and fire Borges or whatever, I assume another total year end review coming after bowl game this season, important to win and show improvement to keep recruits and establish 2014 confidence. Otherwise, could be rough 2014 !
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Inconsistency the rule for 2013.....||
Both offense and defense were inconsistent all year. How much due to coaching, injuries, youth, talent, et al is open to debate but I think that our initial projections of 8-4 to 9-3 were all based on youth and talent levels and lack of experienced high talent levels on both O and D lines. In the end, the young guys on both the lines were up and down, and we saw D performances like OSU and NW and O performance like OSU and Iowa. Hopefully, next year will be better as the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes get another year of experience and we bring in another talented class for 2014.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Same Coaches and Same Kids||
How much of that inconsistency is just the hallmark of any young team learning its way after having been pretty much a mediocre non-B1G contending team since 2006? You guys act as if it is all about effort and coaching, yet it is also all about experience and talent. It takes all four elements in unison. The team played well on offense yesterday, but not on defense and remains short of talent and experience in both areas since 2006. Each game this year saw a lot of variability in performance between the offense and defense (Akron on defense giving up big plays deep, MSU on offense not blocking inside, et al). Rebuilding our talent level to challenge for B1G titles is still an ongoing process, and that talent level peaked in 2006 (and that level was not enough to win the B1G or a BCS bowl game) and really has not returned since.
We remain with a long way to go boys!
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Long Way to Go.....Oh Ye of No Patience||
I'm not happy about where we are in terms of our team's performance since 2007, but we are where we are. Pretty obvious that we are rebuilding, and that it is going to be a longer process than we like. The talent on the roster is young, and therefore is pretty inconsistant. Lots of consternation, coach questioning, player questioning, etc are going to continue as they did in the late Carr years as Tressel and OSU eclipsed us on a regular basis. We had better hope that Hoke and his coaches that he decides to retain or hire/fire are the answer, because if they are not, we are going to suffer greatly for another 4-5 years at a minimum. We have had one good season since 2006, and that was a 2011 11-2 season with this now being abused coaching staff. Hope springs eternal, and if we continue to rebuild the talent base we will get back to where we want to be.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||We can only wait and see.....||
A turning point, a blip on a flat line, or a blip on a downward trend? We really will not know for sure until a few years from now. That goes for you too Ty Butterfield, so your opinion is based on projecting the past into the present. Let's see another data point for the bowl game and for the 2014 recruiting class before we give up!
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Experience.....||
This is what a young team does, they have athleticism but they suffer on these kind of plays....
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Denard in 2011 under Borges....||
Had a pretty damn good year, won 11 games and a Sugar Bowl, which is 4 more games than he won with RR. Now, get your data straight and recall the facts that the records Denard set under RR were against the bottom half of the B1G.....
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Why Exempt WR coach?||
They dropped a bunch of balls today, and I understand from reading this blog that it is all about the coaches so he should have to go too!
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Urgent changes?||
What urgent changes? Issue is offensive line, and it looks like we have tried to play all the ones we got. Nothing can be done at this point, except to keep teaching, keep coaching, keep struggling to try and get better. The whole season has seen this struggle from Akron to UConn to PSU to MSU to Nebraska to NW and now to Iowa. We are what we are, and we are not suddenly going to get competent on the offensive line in game 12. Scream unacceptable and fire all the coaches and call for urgent changes, they all mean nothing.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||His Dudeness, Any names to replace Hoke?||
You say we need a top flight coach, so I respect your opinions as being well thought out and rationally argued. Who do we get?
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Ok, Who can we get now?||
RR is dead and gone, at least for our purposes at Michigan. Whatever the reasons, they no longer matter except in how they might affect our ability to hire any future top flight coaches.
When we fired RR, and hired Hoke, who else was available? Seriously, we were shunned in one sense or another by Schiano and Fitzgerald that we know about, and others (Harbaugh, Miles, ????) that are only rumored.
Who will come here after watching RR's experience? And let's say that Hoke is not the guy, then we get rid of him after year 3 or 4 or 5, now what? Who will come here? We might find ourselves in the same situation we are now, continually changing coaches and watching as we continue our sinking that started in 2007. We have an athletic director who watches film with the football coaches, do you think a hot young coach will want that?
Might we assume that RR learned a few lessons based on his experience at Michigan that he applies successfully at Arizona, and that maybe we did too (willing to pay coordinators and assistants now at least).
So, just saying we need a top flight coach is mom and apple pie, nothing to discuss. The question is, which top flight coach is willing to come here and who is he? You want Hugh Freeze? Who????
Personally, I thought one of the reasons to consider keeping RR was that we could not get a top flight coach to replace him. Appears to be pretty much what happened, at least based on results so far.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Name the someone to hire...||
You guys all calling to fire the coaching staff owe us who to hire instead. Name people we can reasonably expect to get, not Harbaugh nor Saban nor Miles. You want a hot young coach, we had one called RR and we saw how much time he got and after that would you take this job? So, how about Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss? Or maybe that Arizona coach who is beating number 5 Oregon 28-9 and about to score again at halftime?
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Nothing Changes?||
What would you have them change that they have not already tried? Easy to say nothing changes, but maybe that is because you have who you have on the offensive line and at QB, and at WR too, and all you can do is try to continue to teach them and grow them at this point. We are getting beat up on the offensive line, and no amount of coaching or play calling is going to fix that. Now, he could fire Borges, but that accomplishes nothing at this point, and what plays or offense can be instituted at this point of this season beyond trying to simplify things for the offensive line.
I get being frustrated, and I get saying fix things, but I am saying this year and this offensive line may be beyond fixing and that Akron and UConn and now MSU, Nebraska, and Iowa have shown us that issue in spades.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Name the great young coaches ready to come here....||
Seems we did not identfy a bunch of them back in 2010 and early 2011.....
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Hoke thinks we don't have a problem????||
Because he has refused to throw his players or his coaches under the bus in public criticism and told us that he is going to fire Borges and Funk unless this team gets better next week? Because he has not shared his intimate thoughts about how stupid Al Borges is because our offense is so bad this year? What specific actions do you want him to take to demonstrate that he thinks we have a problem? Pretty obvious to me that he thinks this is something that is handled between the players and coaches on the team, that they all play for each other, and that he is not going to tell us what is being said inside that locker room regarding the offense and the offensive line.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Different Situation||
Weiss had no, repeat not one second, head coaching experience and it showed. The over reaction to 2013 is matching the over reaction to 2011. The 2011 meme was that Hoke and Mattison and Borges are Michigan saving Gods, the 2013 meme is that they are all three idiots who should be fired. The guys who knew how to coach in 2011 are now guys who can't spot or develop talent. Obvious that our QB is a broken man from too many hits and too many turnovers and that our offensive line and our running backs are no where near historical Michigan standards. Boys, we are just going to have to wait this out.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Prince signed due to V. Martinez injury......||
Main reason Detroit signed him was due to V. Martinez's injury, so with V. Mart back makes sense that they deal him. The real question is what moves come with this as this seems to me like the first step in a specific plan to make changes for 2014.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||OK with decision, hate play call on 3rd and 4th downs||
I think it was a ballsy decision, supported it at the time, but really wondered why we did not do the play action pass on either 3rd or 4th down there as it seemed to me to be the perfect time to do it with NW likley to sell out against the run for sure......especially given our o-line issues for the game and over the previous two games as well.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Exactly Right JMBLUE!||
Where we missed him was during the Carr replacement search and the support he would have demanded and the wisdom he would have passed to Carr's successor.....But, that is what it was and those days are gone.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Who was the right choice?||
Who said he would come here and be the right choice? Schiano turned us down, bluntly Harbaugh in essence turned us down, and Miles turned us down, who? I maintain that we may damn well have gotten the best coach who would come here after the RR debacle, and that no one, and this includes all you guys calling for Hoke's head and whining about things, can name me a better coach WHO WAS WILLING TO COME HERE! WOULD YOU COME HERE AFTER SEEING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST GUY? Greg Schiano did not, and he is the one guy we know turned us down for sure.
Now, if you want to argue that the right path might have been to keep RR, hire him a competent defensive coordinator and a whole new staff as a condition of staying, and have DB watch film with them every Sunday, I think you would be wrong but it is at least a defensable position to take.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Boys, The Road Back is Long and Treacherous......||
The road back is long, treacherous, and the path will not be consistant nor smooth. We started the current messy era at the end of the 2006 season with Bo's passing and then back to back losses to OSU and USC, and then the horror in 2007, the RR hiring and the 3 years of tire fire of 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 and the determination that was not the path back to where we wanted to be. Now, in 2013, we have Hoke and a staff and a tire fire of an offensive line from the leftovers of the years of unfathomable sadness. If anyone thinks that firing and hiring another new hot shot coach is the answer, just understand that the risk involved (see RR) is high in terms of recruiting and program continuity and the wrong hire experience shows you how it hurts your team for years in terms of talent and its development.
Patience and time is what we need, and whether we like it or not, and whether you decide to show that patience or not, and whether we scream for the heads of various coaches, reality is that we are left to wait and see. We are stuck for good or ill with Hoke and DB, they are going to be here for the next 2-3 years at a minimum. We had better hope they know what they are doing or we are going to be as we have been since 2007 with a few 2011's sprinkled in when we get lucky or experienced or whatever. The leadership team either will or will not figure this out, we can only hope they do.
Realistically, who else would you actually be able to get and come coach here, especially now that DB is (in the view of football and basketball coaches outside our program) micromanaging and inserting himself in deep with the football staff by viewing film and whatnot with them. Part of the issue is that after RR's experience, any intelligent and experienced guy you would want to bring here is likely to be very hesitant to come here, would not you? We must incrementally build our way back, and it ain't being fixed in 1 year or with 1 or 2 players.....
Reality sucks sometimes, but there it is.....
|1 year 36 weeks ago||My issue was the play call on 4th down....||
I think 4th and 2 inside the 10 was a good time to go for it, I just question the play call, if you got the balls to go for it, then call a damn play action pass the one time it ought to work!
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Personal Financial Decision: Up to You||
Do what you think is best, it does not mean anything other than your personal choice as to what works best and makes the most sense for you individually. You get to vote with your money, whether buying season tickets or buying on Stub Hub or staying home and watching on television or listening on the radio or ignoring the whole schebang. Support the team how you wish, because that is the beauty of America, it is up to you. Let us not tell others how they should run their life, nor how they should spend their money. If you want to protest the product, and not buy tickets, that is your freedom.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Great News!!!||
Glad to hear things are going well and we will all keep you in our thoughts and prayers during this recovery period going forward!
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Developing Players||
I think the position coaches develop players, so the one position that the OC currently coaches is QB, otherwise he has to depend on the position coaches, right?
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Trade-offs||
Are we trying to simplify the blocking schemes since we keep screwing those up? Does that explain why we are so predictable on offense based on formation? Are we trying to zone block or man block or whatever based on formation? Seems to me we are just flat out lost in terms of what we want to do on offense and how we want to block and what we think we can do.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Hire what top notch coach ?||
Who specifically should David Brandon hire and what makes you think this coach will come here and be successful? Hint : a specific name, not the generic top notch coach speak ...
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Harbaugh????||
He went to the NFL instead, get a clue. You guys all act as if there is some quick action to be taken that will magically fix things.....ain't going to happen, we are just going to have to wait and see.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Luck to Texas, RR to Follow????||
Time to fire up the rumor mills and start getting Texas alumni and fans tracking airplane flights and fretting over both who they get as an AD and as a coach! If Gene Smith left to Texas, would Urban Meyer follow??? How about Nick Saban, seems Austin would be more pleasing to his wife than Tuscaloosa and he thrives on building programs to championship levels like he did at LSU and not necessarily staying there and running them......
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Hoke says in Interview....||
That his diagnosis is that the team has been inconsistent on offense, and that includes the QB and O-line. The turnovers, the great plays and boneheaded plays, seems to describe this year's edition pretty well. The offensive showing against Indiana coupled with a fumbled snap at the 2 yard line and an errant pitch that gave them the ball inside the 10 yd line.
We seem to get Good Devin and Bad Devin in each game. If he can reign in the Bad Devin, he can be great, but maybe we are just going to have to live with both for the balance of this year because that is who he is as a 2nd year starter (just now has basically started a full year's worth of games).
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Forget about Rankings....||
Just keep winning, and the rankings will take care of themselves. At this point, a better guide is usually the Sagarin rankings than either of the polls.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Why the surprise at the D performance?||
We have been playing bend and don't break all year, because Mattison knows damn well he is lacking experienced talent in the secondary and a pass rush with 4 people. He is rightly concerned about putting his corners and secondary in general out on an island by blitzing a lot because he knows they can be beaten one on one by Akron or PSU or Indiana receivers. Indiana was able to expose this weakness at CB and in the secondary and the defesnive line as well with a crop of good receivers and a QB. It was more than just their hurry up, we had people in position to make plays who just did not. Did you guys not see a freshmen QB with an all B1G receiver beat us last week?
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Back to 2011.....Offense anyway...||
Zone blocking, zone read, more passing......
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Mattison||
Has done on D exactly what all of you are screaming for on O. He has sized up
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Interesting Data||
That is what I come here for, and now that you have published the data I ask if anyone sees any great NFL or college passing QB's in that group......So, looking at the names on this list, does anyone else think Al has not had a ton of QB passing talent to work with? The only name QB on the list as a passer is McNown to me.....
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Unless Bad Devin||
hits the open linebacker and it turns into a pick 6!
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Interceptions||
Have not most of DG's ints come on short throws? A good question is whether that makes us nervous about calling those...
|1 year 41 weeks ago||No one asked for a Lloyd Carr guy......||
Again, RR is water under the bridge, sunk cost, decision that seemed good at the time but turned out to be not so good. The man had a 3-9 season, a 5-6 season, and a 7-5 season and is gone. If Hoke has three such seasons, he will be canned too, and rightfully so.
Your venom for Michigan fans and alumi who thought RR was not the answer after going 15-22 over 3 seasons seems a bit overblown to me. I'd assume any football coach who goes 15-22 over a three year period is going to get fired at Michigan, whether he is a Lloyd Carr or Brady Hoke or Tom Brady guy....
|1 year 41 weeks ago||So, what next?||
Let's just accept your analysis, the question is not what has been done, but what has to happen next to move toward whatever you want to define as non-mediocre. Whining about the last loss or Gary Moeller or Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez or Brady Hoke for that matter is debating water that has already gone under the bridge. In the world of business, it is sunk cost, spent money, gone and it matters not what your analysis says except how that impacts what to do next. Now, the options are:
1) See if this head coach and his assistants can get you to that promised land.
2) Make this head coach fire his assistants and hire ??????????
3) Fire this head coach and his assistants and hire ??????????
Here is what we have seen from your analysis, Michigan has hired 1 name coach since 1969 (Bo was not a name coach when we hired him, trust me, I am old enough to remember that) and that became an unmitigated tire fire for all sorts of reasons that we have not yet recovered from at least based on your analysis. So, if you pick anything other than option 1, that is fine. Who do we hire and why do you think he will do better? Not some theoretical guy, but specifically who? Because if you are the AD at this school that is the real question. You want Les Miles? What makes you think Les Miles wants you? You want John Gruden? What makes you think John Gruden wants you? You wanted Jim Harbaugh, but did he want you? In the real world, you have to pick from what you can get and move on. Pat Fitzgerald was pursued, would have been a great coach for us if you ask me, but he did not want us. We got the best coach for this school that was available and wanted to be here near as I can tell, and he has a fairly experienced staff that he is comfortable with.
Easy to sit on the sidelines and abuse the coaches and the players and recruiting classes and whatever, but the final question remains. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WE OUGHT TO DO???? And if it is fire any assistant or head coach, who do we replace them with that will come here?
I choose option 1 for now guys, because I do not have any better names that I see available that want to be here. I will let this head coach decide what he wants to do with his offensive and defensive coordinators and see if he can get us there because the alternative is to start over again. Have we not proven the cost of that from Moeller to Carr to Rodriguez to Hoke????
|1 year 41 weeks ago||None of the Above||
The question is where do we go from here. I recall a 1994 loss to Colorado that basically destroyed a season and a coach....A future NFL superbowl star cornerback failed to knock a ball down (Ty Law) and a miracle win and devastating loss occurred. Moeller and the staff and that team never recovered......My question is where does Hoke and Borges and Mattison and Gardner and Lewan and the rest of this team go from here? I do not know, you do not know, we can only wait and see. Adversity either brings us to change and get better or becomes the albatross that sinks us. We will see.......Data so far says that this team does not have the elite talent necessary to challenge for the B1G title based on Akron, UConn, and PSU......At the beginning of this season, we said 9-3 to 8-4, I see nothing yet to have us think that is still not the range of performance for this regular season.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||We want Henri!!!!!!!||
I think it is Otter time around here for sure!
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Before Season 9-3 or 8-4 Consensus||
Now, given data for a 5-1 start, still seems pretty reasonable to say that we expect the above given:
Inability to play well on road
Gardner being our single great offensive talent
Protecting defensive secondary (bend don't break)
The question is whether this team folds after this or comes back and learns from it and both the coaches and the players do better. I don't know which way this goes, and neither do any of you. We can only watch and see. You and I will find out a lot about the coaches on this team based on how they finish this year and how much they know about coaching and motivating and teaching and disciplining and supporting players.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Colorado 1994......||
Eeerily similar guys...Had ball down close to field goal range, on a 3rd and 1, got a stupid motion penalty, ran the ball, did not get the 1st down, pooched punted, and then Kordell Stewart happened as Ty Law failed to time him jump and knock the ball down.......That single play killed that team for that year and eventually led to Moeller being fired and LLLLoyd Carr having some good and not so good years. I wonder what the effect this loss has on this team and Hoke???????
|1 year 41 weeks ago||AMEN!||
It took all of them to lose this game, just as you outlined. Total team effort here...
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Akron and UCONN||
Showed us that we could play this poorly as we did in the last minutes of regulation and through out over time.....
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Took "em All to Lose This one..||
The coaches, the players, the QB, the defense, the FG kicker, the o-line, and the defensive secondary all combined to lose this one guys. A total team loss, that Gibbons should have and could have prevented and our o-line inability to block on FG attempts and on running plays continues to show. We still do not have the elite talent level we need to be a team that challenges for the B1G title each and every year. One look at the o-line and d-line should tell you that.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||COACHING STAFF??????||
Did the coaching staff miss the field goals or fail to block on them??? Did the coaching staff throw the two interceptions that put us down 21-10 at halftime? Boys, our guys lost this game because they made too few plays and too many mistakes between the offensive line, our QB, and our defense.....We have a long way to go to get to the talent level and experience we need on both the offensive and defensive lines.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Michigan 45-16||
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Hoke being a D/L Coach....||
Tells me that they are seeking to reach a balance between rotating and putting their best guys out there and they say that you have to earn your way into the rotation. I think we are a work in process on both offensive and defensive lines this year and we will just have to see how they develop.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Absolutely we can hang with these two teams....||
Lots of turnovers by both sides with big mistakes by both QB's for interceptions and fumbles, blocked punts, crucial interceptions, and poor tackling by OSU defense. We will not see NW for 4 games yet and we have plenty of opportunity to improve as well. Let's wait and see where we are after the end of October before we all go into run around and panic mode. First things first, let's have another no turnover game with Funchess at wide out and our new interior offensive line and see how they play against PSU.....Stop putting the cart before the horse.
I watched this game in Findlay, OH surrounded mainly by OSU slappys who were screaming to replace Braxton with Guiton in the 2nd qtr and 3rd qtr after the turnovers and interceptions. Whining about their team's inability to tackle, and to cover NW receivers. NW does not throw the late interception and this game could have easily gone their way. I saw an entertaining football game, but no team that looked like they were world beaters to me.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||29 Point Win with No Turnovers.....||
Great place to start, now need to get better for next weeks road game at PSU! Certainly feeling better today than after Akron or UConn. Forward ho!
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Big Improvement...||
Better blocking, fewer missed assignments, aggressive offensive play calling, and a pass rush. A young team coming together and getting better every game the rest of the way out.
Oh, and playing with heart and passion a swarming defense that smothers Minnesota's run game. We are still a year away from seriously knocking down the wall on a B1G championship......
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Cause and Effect||
Let's not confuse the recent history of the B1G in football with the advent of the BTN. There is not a causal link to be found between the two. It is coincidence only, and it will change again.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||34-6 Michigan||
|1 year 42 weeks ago||PSU 1997||
Great game and that is the most dominant performance I have ever seen by a Michigan team in my memory since 1976! Oh, do I wish I had been there! PSU is a great place to visit to see a game, and if you have never been there, be sure to go sometime and see a game there. The whole atmosphere is stunning, and it is one of the most perfectly beautiful football game stadiums and settings you will ever see.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Notre Dame 1994||
Sitting in the end zone as Remy Hamilton's kick landed right next to me and my buddy! Just before, as Notre Dame was about to score the go ahead touchdown, the ND guy next to me asked us to move so they could rush the field and celebrate their victory. He was very quiet and red as that kick from Hamilton sailed through the uprights! Finally, a Michigan last second field goal to beat ND!!!!
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Depends on where you sit....||
It is not a business to the fans or alumni, and if this board has taught me anything it is that Michigan football is not a business but a unique tradition to most people. GE and Domino's are businesses, nobody ever went to the University of GE and spent their days rooting for the fighting light bulbs......So Dude, whenever Dave Brandon or some coach treats it like a business I note the masses rise up and condemn them quickly!
|1 year 43 weeks ago||To the fans....||
these are sports, to the coaches, they are jobs, to the players, they are an opportunity. Attempting to call something that generates money a business is a misnomer. The "business" does not create a profit, the money is plowed back into the athletic department or spent on newer equipment or facilities and instead at most schools it runs in the red overall as the big revenue sports fund the rest. Yep, a few coaches make a lot of money, most do not. Yep, a few players scam the system, most do not. Your focus on the few trees causes us to miss the forest. My memory tells me something like 2% or so of college football players make a pro roster. So, stop focusing on Johnny Manziel and think about the other 98%......It is not a business to them, it is a sport they play and enjoy that provides them with an education for their efforts.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Impossible to Enforce???||
Not really, history shows us that most of the real enforcement for scandals comes from government criminal prosecutions where there is an opportunity to provide witnesses with immunity and compel them to tell the truth about what happened in order not to forfeit that immunity. The Fab 5, PSU and Sandusky, SMU back in the death penalty days, OSU and Tressel, all of these were discovered because of the criminal prosecution in the background. Since the NCAA has no subpoena power, it can only investigate with a wet noodle and ask the member schools to tell the truth. If, however, you were to criminalize the behavior of taking money or pay for play, then you could enforce it as much as any other criminal laws are enforced. And you could criminalize agent behavior or any other behavior you want to stop.
Not saying this is the best way, but the throw your hands up and declare any regulations or rules impossible to enforce is not the truth. We may not have the will to enforce the rules, but there are ways!
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Eliminate Turnovers?||
Sure, great idea. How? Turnovers are a reflection of both physical skill levels and mental skill levels that are possessed by players. People keep talking about making changes, but the real answer might well be that we don't have anything better to change to except to keep teaching and coaching the players and expect that with each snap and each experience they will get better.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Complacency???||
What do you want the coaches to do? Bite the heads off bats and scream at these kids in front of cameras so you can see it? Maybe you want to see video of them all running the steps at the stadium for 5 hours straight? People who run around and scream stuff is unacceptable and the team is this or that have not a clue. All you know is how the team is performing on the field, period, and you otherwise have theories as to what is going on for which you have no data nor evidence beyond your thoughts. Here is the data and observations I can see based on the performance on the field:
1) Gardner carries the ball very loose when running and scrambling.
2) The offensive line does not do a very good job of keeping Gardner clean in general.
3) Our QB's confidence and his ability to throw those darts he threw against ND is erratic. Might have something to do with being his 9th start, might get better, might not. He tries to do too much sometimes and carry this team. Might have to do with the lack of experienced talent at WR beyond Gallon and the 3 middle o-lineman. Maybe sitting and watching Denard for the past 3 years might have had an impact on this.
4) Our defense actually played fairly decent yesterday, giving up only 7 real points as they did not give up the fumble return for a TD and they did not screw up the punt.
No doubt we could list a bunch more, which would be an exercise that would at least provide some rational basis as to what is going on and what might be done to fix it. I doubt the issue is complacency, rather it is talent and experience and learning how to play your position and depend on others to do their jobs which is most likely in play.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Lots of Playing Time Available for all Recruits......||
about the only positive I can take out of the last 6 quarters of football.....
|1 year 44 weeks ago||In the Darkest Days of Michigan Football......||
A young man from the middle of nowhere from a poor Florida town comes to a once proud midwestern football power and embodies the spirit, the drive, the focus, the emphasis on the team, and becomes the spiritual embodiment on the field and on the sideline of the entire Michigan tradition and passes it on to those who will come after and achieve more on the football field, but can only build on the foundation he laid after that foundation was cracked and crumbled for 3 years of sheer frustration.
Any of you who do not understand that being a Michigan Man when things are going well is nothing compared to being a Michigan Man during an on-going tire fire need to rethink your position on Denard beyond wins and losses. The return of this team to greatness in the near future and the miracle of 2011 are both built on this man and his spirit and will and his embodiment of what it means to be a Michigan football player.
Now, that is a far more impressive accomplishment to me than winning the Heismann trophy or beating OSU 4 years in a row for any single player.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Upvote 1,000,000 Points!||
Thank you for that post of Mr. T, one of my favorite movie moments and perfect for describing last week's game and what I want to see UCONN experience this week....
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Better Question.....||
How about Stribling? A little early to talk about 2014 incoming players (Peppers) after the 3rd game of 2013 I think!
|1 year 45 weeks ago||All we can do....||
Is wait and see what this team 134 does next, and if the coaches make changes in terms of who plays how much and in what positions. We are who we are, we have the players we have, there is more help on the way for 2014 and 2015 (at least, it sure seems that way) and we have 38 scholarship freshmen on the roster who need to get smarter and gain experience and learn how to play college football. You can see the athletic speed and talent, but you can also see the inexperience and the mistakes both by Gardner at QB and elsewhere all over the roster whether it be holding on runs or offsides on a blitz or missing a block or whatever. There is a reason we went 8-5 last year, and it was not just bad luck on a few plays.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Big Plays and Big Mistakes||
Made lots of big plays and lots of big mistakes.....feast or famine.....that is how young teams play guys, get used to it....one minute running loose and scoring quickly going from down 10-7 to up 21-10 with seeming ease and then tossing a pick 6 and going down 24-21 and then scoring in just a few plays again to go up 28-24........on defense, giving up a long pass and then picking one off in the end zone and then giving up another long pass after losing contain and then making a big 3 yard loss on a 3rd and short near the goal line.......
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Do you think.....||
That might be because we are slowly rebuilding the talent level in A2 one year at a time? Two full classes signed one in 2012 and one in 2013. Young, athletic talent, not experienced. You can not replace experience and you can't magically teach it all you can do is wait for it to occur. This is where we are since the start of the 2007 season, and why we have not seriously challenged for the B1G title since 2006. This team went 8-5 last year, and they are not suddenly going to 13-0. This is going to be a slow and painful process with some gains and some brilliant plays and some oh my God moments like pick 6's and getting beat deep by wide outs and safety derps and what not. Inconsistancy is the hall mark of young teams. Grow up, understand where you are in the process, and be realistic. 9-3 seems about right. We are at least 1-2 years away from having the talent level that people like you associate with the brand name of Michigan football.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Elite Players?||
Hoke has 1 full year of recruiting, so we do not yet possess a roster full of elite players yet....look at the data and grow
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Grow up Guys...||
The question, which none of you know the answer to, is what does this team do as a team after this game and did they learn anything? Bad Devin nearly killed us, but great Devin saved our bacon just barely. Fans running around in panic and yelling unacceptable is just foolishness. The current staff has 1, count them geniuses, 1 full recruiting class. Here is your hint, young talent is inconsistent, gets too up and too down on itself, and must play and learn. Today was a complete learning experience. Now, based on what they do the rest of the year, we will know whether they learned or not.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Bad Devin||
Bad Devin showed up for about 65% of this game. We need to have bad Devin and his pick 6's exorcised to Cleveland!
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Assumption?||
Your stated assumption is that any school that gets recruits that is not a national power for the past 30 years must be cheating. Yet, we have many examples of schools rising and falling based on their coaching staffs from Michigan hiring RR to Alabama hiring Mike Shula and then Nick Saban. Coaches, their staffs, and their ability to recruit and develop talent matter a lot even if you are a Michigan or an Alabama or Texas or Nebraska or XXXXXX!
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Win and get over it...||
Up to coaches and players to decide on uniforms and who wear what numbers and the rest! Just win baby!
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Running Out ...||
On the field and the potential 15 yd penalty....
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Denard earned the right to speak as he wishes.....||
I thought Tom Brady said it best when he talked about the guys wearing the helmets and playing now represent not only themselves and their team mates but every man that has ever worn that helmet through the years.....In some of the darkest days of the Maize and Blue, he and his smile and his magic brought the few rare smiles and moments of joy experienced by Michigan Men and Women throughout the Universe. Let us remember he did not win or lose those games all by his little lonesome....THE TEAM BOYS, IT IS ABOUT THE TEAM....
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Good Prediction Heiko!||
50-9 is pretty close, are you working your way to becoming the next Knowledge too?
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Looks like a Michigan Team!||
Exactly, that was the comment that instantly came to my mind for this game! Talent, speed, physical play, defense flying around, downhill running game....YES!!!!
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Zoltan Cut....||
I see they said that salary cap was a likely cause:
Mesko's salary -- he was due to earn $1.323 million this season -- also likely played a factor. Don't be surprised if Mesko catches on elsewhere before the season is through.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||Ann Arbor Torch and Pitch Fork Out Again.....||
Anything to do with our current athletic director is always sure to bring out the torch and pitchfork crowd. What this shows is that the alumni and the donors and the customers remain in charge guys, because the final analysis was that the band went. Now, if you can get and rally the same people to change other things, I'll bet Dave will listen. Apologies and explanations are way over rated, in the end, it is what he does or does not do that truly counts!
|2 years 2 days ago||Search for Woody's grave on-line....||
stop and have a few brews, and deposit the used beer on his grave! :0)
|2 years 1 week ago||Hotter than Glenn Rice in 1989 NCAA Tournament!||
Now that's the hottest I have ever seen a Michigan man!
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Good Choice||
I concur that he would be the perfect choice!
|2 years 4 weeks ago||South Quad Taylor House||
was the home of Anthony Carter, and Gomberger's and West Quad still suck! :0)
|2 years 4 weeks ago||With Sam||
The butcher of course!
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Right....||
He's supposed to concede that OSU is the greatest thing since sliced bread and guarantee that we will play hard.....He said what he is supposed to say, and what he damn well ought to be thinking and saying in June! Go Blue!
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Because NBA teams never put out||
smoke screens and horse manure about whom they are going to pick before a draft!
|2 years 6 weeks ago||The Next Isaiah Thomas????||
The smiling assassin returns! Hope Burke becomes that guy for the Pistons!
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Pats n Tebow||
Bet it turns into a good deal for both sides....Pats front office and coach have a pretty good track record for acquiring and utilizing talent!
|2 years 7 weeks ago||Coaching and Resouces||
It is all about getting the right coaches and the right resources and finding what you got to sell to move it on up. See recent history of NW, Kansas State, Boise State, and recent recruiting success of some of the lesser SEC teams. Ability to identify and coach up players to get you started as was done by coaches above. Every year we see lots of players drafted into NFL from no name schools. Talent is there, you just got to be able to know it when you see it....
|2 years 7 weeks ago||Gee retires.....||
Comedians every where mourn the loss of another great source of material! Gee was beloved by the OSU students and donors, and a frequent attendee at student parties. There are far worse things to be! Maybe Brandon will take OSU Prez job????!!!!!!! LOL!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||To quote Emerson, Lake n Palmer...||
Ohhhh, what a lucky man he was!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Question was favorite QB, not best!||
Read the question before judging answers ....
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Wangler: Whip out the Wang!||
Bo's first Rose Bowl win, best QB cheer in Michigan history outlined above, our first passing QB in my lifetime, the 45 yd TD pass to AC to beat Indiana with 6 seconds left, the excitement in the stadium when he came in to replace BJ Dickey, seeing our QB actually be able to truly throw the ball.....So, my favorite by far!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||One Guy decides||
To go to a smaller school known for its beautiful women and all you geniuses are certain there must be cash behind it....Michigan will be fine without Treadwell, and when he makes a catch to keep Alabama out of the playoffs the karma will all even out.....
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Guess you never.....||
Went to Oxford, MS for a football game. Ole Miss is where they redshirt Miss Americas, which should be of great interest to most Michigan men!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||We are discussing fans here, not players and coaches....||
Players and coaches should always have intensity for a Michigan vs OSU game in anything, but fans and alumni need to learn that the best way to truly drive them Buckeyes nuts is to ignore them the rest of the year....What got OSU back was Tressel recruiting better talent while we slipped in terms of talent in the late Carr years and RR years....
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Good Point on Rutgers||
http://www.rutgershockey.com Seems they have a University team in the ESCHL, so maybe they will be part of the B1G for hockey in a few years.....
|2 years 9 weeks ago||You'd think a Michigan blog....||
would be kind to a small SEC school that is absolutely no threat to us and that is taking away talent from places like Alabama and LSU and not us for the 99% part. Maybe the guy is just a pretty damn good recruiter and is trying to place his school in the best light. Not like he is Nick (the Devil) Saban or Brian (Insert yelling at player here) Kelly. Here is hoping they beat Alabama in 2013! Go Rebs!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Speculation: Next B1G Hockey Team(s)???||
Guys, Seems to me that we need at least 1-2 additional schools in the B1G to add hockey in the next 4-5 years or so. Is that feasible? Does it make sense? (I think it would be to add what we might call inventory to B1G network) Who would add it? Northwestern? I think there must be a longer term plan than just having less than half the conference with a team in a particular sport.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Best thing to do, Ignore Ohio...||
Nothing drives Ohio State alumni and fans (take it from a guy banished to live amongst the heathen for the last decade) more crazy than simply telling them the truth, and that is that Michigan alumni and fans should ignore Ohio except when we play them. Don't be like the slappys who live in Ohio and define yourself and your love for your team by rooting against anyone else. What truly hurts them is when you ignore Ohio State...like we got to do basically during the Cooper years...We need those kind of years to come back! My focus is Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, and the rest of the B1G and the country are just fodder for the only team that counts!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Ask Ole Miss.....||
That is what true overachieving looks like, for us, it is return to business as usual!
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Lions play winner?||
|2 years 10 weeks ago||But still good news!||
Never can we abuse the ND chickens too much!
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Fine Post Ace||
Some people think the site is all about them, as opposed to all about all of us!
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Move On?||
It has been only three days, and we have people on here still discussing RR....have a little patience after taking 20 years to get back to a basketball championship game
|2 years 18 weeks ago||McGary is Professor Chaos....||
Mitch McGary actually is....
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Free Throws....||
Death by missed free throws with a chance to close it out....It happens, now must win B1G tournament!
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Free Throws....||
Death by missed free throws with a chance to close it out....It happens, now must win B1G tournament!
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Freshmen....||
Playing hard, playing tough, so stop whining about them......
|2 years 24 weeks ago||As always, you miss.....||
the point, oh ye of obvious obtuse thought and inability to see what is painfully obvious to the rest of the intelligent world, is that the matter is moot, there is no smoking gun of evidence to be found to take away the already handed out verdict nor to do anything to exonerate Joe Pa who has no defense as all you could possibly say is that he either knew what was going on and did little to nothing, in which case he is a lying sack of crap, or he did not know and should have known, in which case he was a proverbial idiot of the first degree, and you and all those who want to continue to debate the issue somehow thinking that the standard of proof for deciding that Mr. Paterno is guilty is the same as that for a criminal trial are full of the proverbial wit and wisdom normally attributed to those who flunk out at MSU.....
His statue is gone, his legacy tarnished, and the evidence is fairly convincing that he knew what was going on but put damage control short term over doing what was right when his own personally promoted image was otherwise. He and his family can join you and whine all the way until the Lord returneth, but it is and will be a waste of time whether you have any respect for the court of public opinion or the facts in evidence or not.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Point...||
If anyone knows how to get under Urban Meyers skin and psyche it would be Mattison based on his experience with Urban....
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Court of public opinion||
At this point, both a criminal court and the NCAA and the B1G and the court of public opinion have all spoken, and all come to the same conclusion, so your whining, much like that of the Paterno family and PSU and PA governmental officials is moot!
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Boys....||
Paterno is dead, the court of public opinion and the NCAA have spoken, and all the horse manure pumped out by Paterno apologists including his family and the state of Pennsylvania are not going to change this one iota. Ignore them and let them flap their gums in the wind, that is all they are doing as they are simply engaging in self-masturbatory delusional speculation that matters not a bit.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Those attitudes.....||
come from experience, and we have to get it through our heads that our freshmen from McGary to Stauskas to GRob3 to Van Wert are going to have to learn how to play college ball and are going to experience growing pains. You lose two games by two three pointers that go in for them and not for you, one on a definite miracle 1 in 50 or more shot, and all the analysts come out and question their coaching, their work ethic, their mental attitude.....Get real, the top 5 teams all went 0 for whatever on the road this week....Home court refereeing advantage is huge....Beilein had it right in his post game comments, question is what did we learn as a team and as individual players from the last two games. Either we get better and learn, or we keep pounding our heads into the wall and suffer more losses.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Panic.....||
You guys are way too worried about one kid making a single decision on where he wants to go to college and play football. OSU will get their players, and we will get ours and sometimes they will get people we want and sometimes we will get people they want. Get over it....We expect that OSU and UM will continue to both get top 10 classes most of the time, and thinking that Meyer or Hoke will likely move that needle much from what it has historically been long term is sheer foolishness. Some kids will prefer one to the other, or one school to the other, and that will not change. Real question is likely more one of individual talent evaluation by both staffs, and the ability to find players who can be and will be coached up and developed. I trust Mattison and Borges and the entire Michigan staff more than I trust the entire OSU staff to be able to do that based on what I have seen from this staff so far, so should all of you.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Beating the Buckeyes Twice in football in 2013....||
As good as it gets, so get ready for it!
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Ask Steve Fisher....||
and Chris Weber about how things happen at the end of games...
|2 years 24 weeks ago||How many?||
How many basketball games at the collegiate level have you coached? You do not have a clue about how easy or hard it is to get 18-23 year olds to do something in a hostile arena . Whining and criticizing coaches about things you know nothing about seems to be the way you deal with any loss . Sometimes, the other guys get the calls or non-calls and get lucky too.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Gee Guys...||
A team that plays 3 freshmen about 70% of the time and 4 freshmen the other 30% of the time has two losses, both on the road, to the no. 1 team in the country and the number 10 team in the country after returning from basketball oblivion in the last few years and all you guys do is whine about what they don't do. Hell, they play with great intensity and maturity given their actual age and experience, and they found a way to win against a much bigger and more experienced OSU team that had beaten them 8 out of their last 9 meetings...You guys would date Mila Kunis and whine that she does not cook well enough for you!
|2 years 24 weeks ago||But, you don't have any proof.....||
Just accusations of a coach who was one of his rivals and has seen him go on to have success. Either provide proof of something he has done, or stop the attempt at innuendo. This is the same kind of stuff thrown at all successful coaches at recruiting, whether it be Lou Holtz or Brian Kelly or Jimmy Johnson or Brady Hoke at Ball State or San Diego State or Bill Snyder at Kansas State....If there is something going on, we will find out sooner or later, until then, you may be entitled to your opinion, but you have yet to provide any verifiable facts to back that opinion up. What do you expect a football coach at a place where there is no tradition since the late 1960's to do, except to sell and sell hard the assets he sees and what he can do in the future?
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Again, Any of you been to Ole Miss?||
I have, vry nice school about the size of a MAC school in terms of number of students in a stunning beautiful locale in the south that has places like Baton Rouge and Tuscaloosa and Auburn and Fayetteville and Knoxville beat all to hell with the absolutely best looking and sweetest young coeds in America.....If you have never been there, never been to the Grove, and never experienced the whole Ole Miss experience, you will never get why it is a perfect fit for some athletes and students...Not everyone wants to be at a huge B1G school with 40K to 60 K students in a place like A2 or Columbus or Madison....Ole Miss, where they redshirt Miss America's!
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Long Way to Go This Season......||
Let's see how the team grows and develops after this loss. A very young team found its footings and bearings and came back and made it a pretty close game on the road against a top 3 team where no Michigan team has won since 1986.......Let's see how we do Tuesday night against OSU, and move on from there.....Saw 4 freshmen on the floor a few times, learning how to play on the road in the B1G......We missed Morgan a lot tonight, and he should be back for Tuesday. Beat Ohio, and move on.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Don, Tell 'em that ....||
if he can't respect his elders, he needs to learn to respect his betters!
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Nothing Wrong with taking care of our own......||
Good to see that we take care of our own and DeBoard coming back at least means we have someone who knows the university, its culture, and how we do things the Michigan way.....Relax, this is a good thing!
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Ole Miss is recruiting...||
him with their redshirted Miss Americas! Let's see what works best.....
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Boys, Boys, Boys||
Must we demand that others behave and act the way we want them to?
|2 years 26 weeks ago||As if we care......||
just so long as Green goes Blue!
|2 years 26 weeks ago||BEAT OSU TWICE.....||
That's my prediction, and while I may not be the knowledge, I have some knowledge!
|2 years 26 weeks ago||No sense of Humor.....||
One of the things you can always count on any TSIO fan or alumnus is that they have absolutely no sense of humor or whimsy when it comes to their brain dead alliance to the mighty Tressel and mighty Meyer....
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Chris Spielman?||
One of the few Buckeye names I can think of worth an autograph....
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Watch it Ball Hawk,||
Don't confuse my minions with me!
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Ask Laquon Treadwell...||
He is going to Ole Miss, so he ought to know!
|2 years 28 weeks ago||FREE TO CHOOSE.....||
People in this country have many opportunities and are free to choose their lifestyles and professions and work and play. The data needs to be presented, the facts laid out in front of everyone, and then parents and young adults are free to choose whether to play football or soccer (collisions with no protection whatsoever) or ride a motorcycle or whatever. They pay the price of their decisions and suffer both the consequences and reap the benefits.
We need to allow them to choose what they wish to do, and then accept their choices as their individual weighing of the pluses and minuses for them. That goes for whether they want to play professional football or college football or high school football or like Taylor Lewan, to stay in college for another year, or like Darius Morris, to leave for pro basketball "early", or Barry Sanders to retire "early". Everyone needs to stop telling others how to make their own individual value judgements on such things, especially in sports.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Attended this Game.....||
Actually at the game, and it was a nice win for Ole Miss. Hugh Frieze is a very good coach, and I think this is a team and a program on the upswing.
Heard a great line for all of you guys out there who wonder why various top football recruits have them as one of their potential choices:
A potential football player asked the Ole Miss football coach (their legendary coach Johnny Vaught) about the coeds at Ole Miss, and he replied, "Son, we redshirt Miss America's at Ole Miss!"
Having been to a number of their games this season in Oxford and having been at their bowl game in Birmingham today, I can tell you this is the absolute truth!
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Do we get to pick the gun????|
|2 years 29 weeks ago||I'm Rooting for Notre Dame....||
Alabama and the SEC and Nick Saban represent everything that is wrong with college football, from greyshirts to 1 year scholarships to over-signing to football worship over even a hint of academics or behavorial standards.
ROLL OVER THE DAMN TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Unacceptable????||
Typical kind of comment from a certain type of fan who just does not get it. It will require a few years of recruiting at a top 10 level to have the kind of talent and depth required to challenge for the B1G title and a top 4 playoff berth. It is obvious you have never led an organization or a team or a group to succes nor have you ever built a team either on a sports or business field.
The results are what they are, injuries exposed the lack of experienced talent and depth was apparent on the field all year long. Pride is not the issue, effort is not the issue, the rebuilding of Michigan as a football power is under way, construction may take a another year or two. Get over it.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Point is....||
Talent and help are coming with this and future recruiting classes. The loss of Countess early and Fitgerald for the bowl game exposed our lack of talent and depth in the secondary quite clearly. I predict good things coming in 2013 and 2014 with Gardner developing and with additional talent on offense and defense.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Denard.....||
In the dark ages of Michigan football, Denard, you arose to provide us with hope and a future vision. You showed us that we would not quit, that we would struggle with everything we had, and we would never give up. For that, and for playing your heart and rear end off for the past 4 years, we thank you! You are what we hope and pray for every single Michigan student to be both today and in the future, someone who works hard and always does their best with a smile!
Hope to see your smiling face on Sundays next fall! You will be missed!
|2 years 31 weeks ago||How soon they forget......||
11 Warriors smug uppiness about how they would never talk about whether a football coach is a Buckeye man or never fully support a coach is sure to come back and haunt them sooner or later. I live in Ohio, and I heard for years all the comments about Cooper's lack of knowing what it meant to be a Buckeye and how he never understood the UM vs OSU rivalry as he went 2-10-01 over his time period there. When Tressel was hired, all I heard about was how he understood the rivalry and was an Ohio man and blah, blah, blah.........Now, after going 12-0 following their 6-7 tire fire season, they know everything.....Payback is coming in 2013 boys, when we beat the dastardly Buckeyes twice, once in A2 and once in Indianapolis!
|2 years 34 weeks ago||Mayans......||
Looks to me that the Mayans are going to win as their calendar correctly predicted the end of the world in 2012 before any championship football game could be played!
By the way, if you are going to phrase this "Who are wanting to win ncg?", guess you must favor Alabama, since this is how about 99% of their fans would say it.......
|2 years 34 weeks ago||Mike Lantry????||
This your subtle way of saying we will not be kicking field goals but instead going on all 4th downs????
No abuse for the kid, but how about somebody that made field goals, like Ali Haji Sheikh at least.....
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Captain Hindsight.....||
You want to blame someone, blame Tate Forcier for being a really big idiot and getting kicked off the team and out of school. Had he stayed around and eligible, we would have had that QB tandem we needed this year and last.
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Stop Whining...||
and get real. Most intelligent observers had us picked for a 9-3 to 8-4 regular season given away games with Alabama, ND, Nebraska and OSU. We had at best a mediocre offensive line all year, and we lacked talent, size, and speed at WR. Lost Countess early, lost Denard late, and Gardner showed you in NW and OSU game why he was not the best QB and why he was moved to WR to start the year when he played decent defenses. Gardner will be better next year, we likely will have some more targets for him at WR with some size and speed, and we have a lot of talent coming in that will play and provide better depth. We are at least 1-2 good to great recruiting classes from where we need to be to challenge for the B1G title each year and occassionally challenge for the national championship play-off. Our defense is still short of playmakers and size and speed, but that is coming too. How about a tad bit of patience given that we just now graduate a group of guys who had pretty lousy (by Michigan standards for sure) 2009-2010 years where we lost to anyone who had a decent defense as well?
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Get a Concealed Weapons Permit!||
Always handy anytime you visit Columbus, and never wear any Michigan stuff into a restaurant, you can rest assured those OSU graduates working there will food poison you out of jealousy!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Question for you?||
Ever meet Bo in person? People have this concept that he was somehow this old crotchy grouch, but that was far from the case. He had a tremendous sense of humor, a sparkling warm and fun side, could cut through more crap and pomp faster than anyone I ever met. I was a summer building director for 2 years and met him in his office before the high school football camps back in 1980 and 1981. I guarantee you Bo could and would easily do that (minus the expletive deletives) and I've seen him do that on a number of occassions. Ever see his sideline antics on the holding call again us on a faked punt in his last Rose Bowl game????
|2 years 36 weeks ago||COMPARED TO?????||
Mom and apple pie generic statements like this mean nothing. Comparison to whom is the question? Compared to SEC, yes, OSU has fine academics, compared to Northwestern, Michigan, Duke, Stanford, Cal-Berkley? Not so much......
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Channeling Bo?||
6 years exactly after Bo passes away, I think he takes over Les Miles body for a quick performance to remind us all that it is, after all, beat Ohio week!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Relax, I am in charge and I am not done yet.....||
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Maybe Garnder....||
Plays a lot better at QB than he practices, and thus this kind of offense we have seen today was not looking practical. With Toussaint injured and out, and Denard looking to be unable to throw, this plan makes sense.
Note the interception Devin just tossed, we'll never know what would have happened had Devin stayed at QB, water under the bridge, and I wonder how long Denard's arm was not 100% earlier this year before Nebraska.
Meanwhile, a guy named Jim Bob Tressel on our board tries to create a QB controversy the week before we play the two of the three greatest evils in college football, Ohio and Urban Meyers (Nick Saban is 3rd). Why should anyone be surprised?
Given your attitude, enjoy your trip, your plane is boarding for:
|2 years 36 weeks ago||First, we got right Coach....||
Hope we are seeing a pattern develop here that will continue for basketball and will be developing in football.
Get the right coach, he shows he can coach up current talent and have them perform well. Then, seeing we now have a coach and coaching staff that knows what to do and how to do it, we get a great recruiting class and start re-establishing ourselves as one of the elite teams on an annual basis......
I like it!
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Paging MichiganPoloShirt, Please report to Banhammer Airlines...||
Be sure to board your plane on time for your trip to............beautiful La Paz, Bolivia!
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Ohio and Michigan||
I have lived in Michigan, Ohio, and Mississippi. I attended public schools in all 3 states, and northeast Ohio was the most racist area I lived in. When I lived in Mississippi, I attended a racial integrated middle school. When I lived in Michigan and Ohio, I attended public schools that had almost no minorities in terms of blacks or hispanics or Jews or asians or whatever.
You are living in the far past if you think that Mississippi is the most racial backward state. I suggest you try and learn something before voicing your own prejudices in a public forum.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||HATE THE SOUTH?||
Now that is surely a statement of a well reasoned and intelligent and tolerant person who loves humankind!
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Ignorance....||
Is not confined to Mississippi or Ole Miss or red states as confirmed by various comments outlined here. Let us not confuse what happened in the 1950's and 1960's with how life is today in the south in the second decade of the 21st century, unless you have actual first hand knowledge. As someone with that first hand knowledge, it is obvious that most of you do not possess it.
Ole Miss is a very beautiful campus and a growing school with a ton of very pretty young women and ambitious and intelligent young men of all races. If you had ever visited the campus, gone to a football game, spent a little time in the grove, discussed Chuckie Mullins with an alumnus, or attended the Texas-Ole Miss football game where they cheered James Meredith at half-time, you might have a clue as to how things are these days as opposed to those days. I suggest you check out the ESPN 30-30 film on Ghosts of Mississippi to educate yourselves a bit more.
It is a place that some young men find to be a good fit for their academic and athletic careers, and we should leave it to them to decide for themselves.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Devin Redshirt||
He does not get a ruling until after his senior year, at least that is what we have been told.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Schedule Difficulty...||
Models are made so we can review some data and have an intelligent discussion. If you want to know everything and take everything into account including scheduling strength differences you can go see that kind of analysis with the numbers from USA Today and Sagarin.....
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Thanks for the work and More data||
Nice work, a definite upvote. While looking at the data, I wondered about the effect both defensive turnovers created and turnover margin might have on the yardage stats as another way to say that good defenses force turnovers and how that might relate to the differences in terms of overall yardage pct. vs scoring diff pct.
I added the data here, I think this more likely explains what you refer to as ND living on borrowed time......
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Real Question.....||
Do we want to establish ourselves as a school that keeps its commitments to our student athletes once made or not? Because, if we take the path you are recommending, then we will eventually be in a position where we will have to toss a kid who has committed for a kid who waited until the last minute or whatever.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but let's be sure we understand who we are and what we have to offer and how we are going to conduct business. That appears to me to be the essence of what I would expect as the Michigan way.....
|2 years 38 weeks ago||QB Coach.....||
I see Mr. Loeffler, our previous QB coach from 2002-2007, might soon be available as he is currently at Auburn.......anyone else we care to list that ought to be considered????
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Remember what Churchill said.....||
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Defeat: Defiance
Let us be magnanimous!
|2 years 43 weeks ago||OSU 2011 Defensive Stats vs ND Year to Date||
2012 ND: Points per game: 9 national rank: 4th
Rushing Defense yards: 112.5 national rank: 28th
Total Defense yards: 291.25 national rank: 16th
2011 OSU: Points per game: 21 national rank: 27th
Rushing Defense yards: 141.5 national rank: 50th
Total defense yards: 323.54 national rank 19th
Now, my conclusion (we would need to revisit at end of year) would be that OSU had a fairly porous rushing defense and thus we only threw 17 times against them while ND appears to have a fairly stout rushing defense in comparison.
Thus, I think attempting to compare the 2011 OSU game played at UM stadium to the 2012 ND game played at ND and thinking the two bear a lot of resemblenece to each other in terms of the opponents strengths and weaknesses and our own strengths and weaknesses with what we could or could not do is fruitless.
At ND, What we did in the first half did not work, what we did in the second half worked to some extent, but not enough. We changed our plan of attack in response to data we got on Denard's three quick ints.
Now, I may not be right, but there is some data involved that at least makes a case for why comparing 2011 OSU and 2012 ND might not make a lot of sense.
|2 years 43 weeks ago||SEC not extremely top heavy?||
Did I miss something, or has it been the LSU-Alabama show for the past few years as the Big two and little 10 (now maybe up to Big 3 including Georgia or SC and little 11)?
|2 years 47 weeks ago||Sparty looking very Spartyish.....||
A couple of good years with 11 wins, a good QB in Cousins, and now they are ready to go to the Rosebowl with a first year QB......NOT!
|2 years 47 weeks ago||Right so Far.....||
Right at the half! MSU people told me Maxwell would be great, and that Denard needed to improve his passing a lot. I think they had that backwards.....
|2 years 47 weeks ago||Knowledge says 12-2,,,,||
Since he has time traveled into ab c back from the future, relax!
|2 years 47 weeks ago||C'mon Guys....Lighten U!||
Here in Northeast Ohio, we say you can go to college or you can go to Kent!
College player picked up the ball and ran the wrong way. Did not hurt his team and now he has a great highlight to show his kids. Laugh and the world laughs with you! Think of it sort of like the Stanford Cal band kickoff return play and enjoy it.
COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|2 years 47 weeks ago||The Knowledge already told us.....||
He has already time traveled back to August from the future and told us the record will be 12-2......The rest of us mere mortals are wasting our time!
THE KNOWLEDGE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|2 years 47 weeks ago||Real Men...||
Get married outside of college football season Steve, do straighten out the groom on that and remind him he does not want his anniversary to coincide with an important college football game. A man has to have his priorities!
|2 years 48 weeks ago||No Captain America?????||
Let's be serious, you gotta have him on this.....
|2 years 48 weeks ago||No Captain America?????||
|2 years 48 weeks ago||No Captain America?????||
|2 years 48 weeks ago||Boys in Las Vegas||
Have MSU as a 7 to 10 point home favorite with an over/under at 45........They must be thinking it will be MSU running the ball and controlling the clock with their ground game and defense. At this time of the year, before anyone has played anyone else, they are usually your best prognosticators.
|2 years 48 weeks ago||Play Action Pass||
to Devin Gardner,,,,,,Al Borges is our offensive coordinator in his 2nd year, not Debored...(mispelling intentional)....
|2 years 48 weeks ago||Did he visit Iowa?||
Just seems to be the next logical question.....
|2 years 49 weeks ago||If I was Head Coach at Michigan....||
We would never punt inside the other teams 50 yard line!
|2 years 49 weeks ago||The Knowledge has said 12-2......||
So who are we mere mortals to doubt him after last year's prediction?
Top 10 at end of season for sure......
|2 years 49 weeks ago||12-2???||
What losses does the cosmic one see in the current eddies of the wolverine space-time continuum?
Nebraska and Alabama????
|3 years 2 days ago||Responsibility....||
Presidents at Universities, like CEO's at companies, are paid to be responsible. Only two choices, either Spanier knew something was going on, in which case he should be fired and abused for obvious reasons, or he did not know what was going on, in which case he is guilty of incompetence because it is his JOB to know what is going on at the University and to find out and root out this type of behavior amongst his employees that work for him.
Might not be his fault, if he knew nothing, but it sure is his responsibility. That is what he is and was paid for....
Same for JoePa, as head football coach, he is responsible to know his staff and know that Sandusky was a repeat offending pedophile and to build a culture and climate where those in his staff and organization would know to come out and tell him the truth and put an end to such things.
|3 years 6 days ago||Lack Of Instituitional Control?||
Was it not the total power and ability to control the entire situation from both the PSU football head coach and the various other university and law enforcement officials and athletic heads that led to the cowardice of this cover-up?
The message to be sent is to all future administrators and coaches that if you think it is bad to blow the whistle on yourself in cases like this, and worry about your reputation if you disclose what is going on, it is even worse when we find out you covered it up and attempted to sweep it under the rug! The punishment is not about the water under the bridge, it is about making sure it does not happen again anywhere in college sports.
|3 years 4 weeks ago||Schedule or Number of Upperclassmen?||
The really interesting questions owuld be to check and see both the schedule rankings at the end of the year for each of the Mattison coached teams (maybe use Sagarins final rating of the schedule) and the number of seniors departing at the end of each of those years.
That would cover both the relative strength of the opposition and the relative experience of the team.