State us having an ok year recruiting coming off a 10 win season. The state of Michigan has a lot of highly rated recruits this year and a lot are leaving the state. You have to figure that 'Rape U' played a pretty big part in that. Michigan doesn't seem to have as strong of relationships with this class, but has cleaned up in recent years. It will get back on track. A lot of the top 10 players decided to leave the state as opposed to go to Michigan State. MSU has 2 top 10 players, UM has 2, 5 are leaving and 1 is uncommitted. MSU has a lot of lower rated kids (6 players ranked 11-36) and might pick up a couple more but the state of Michigan historically has not produced a lot of strong players, especially with lower rankings.
I agree Michigan has to have better relationships in its back yard. I tend to think a winning season will do a lot for Michigan recruiting. I would prefer it do more for us nationally than in our back yard, but I am sure it will do both.
Dantonio has been a great coach, you can't fault a kid for playing football at MSU. The school has been horrible and I can't imagine why any parent would even consider allowing their child to attend MSU, even for free. What happened is appalling! I suspect that is at least a decent part of the reason MSU has not done better in state this year or out of state for that matter.
MSU's top 4 recruits (1 - 5* and 1 - 4*) are from the state of Michigan, aside from that they have no 4 stars and only 1 kid ranked in the top 500. I have to think 'Rape U' has something to do with that.
Regarding point number 2. There just haven't been many stars from Michigan, but a lot of replaceable players. If you go back to 2010 this is the list of impact players.
2016 - Top two performers are arguably 11 & 12 (Josh Jackson & David Reese). Jordan has been playing at OSU, Hill has been good at Michigan, Onwenu is barely hanging on as a starter. This was MSU’s destruction year.
2014 and 15 were virtual blow outs. In 2015 a back up (Weber) and John Kelly at 8. 2014 a program crusher in McDowell, Webb was ok/not drafted player.
2013 - Lewis and Hill jump out on that list, Elmer at ND.
2012 - Funchess was the highest pick but had very little impact on the program, Braden, Ross and Godin were consistent type contributors, Burbridge was a decent player (6th round pick) but not a game changer.
2011 - Thomas Rawls at 15, Jake Duzey at 13! Jake Fisher at 8(2nd round pick), Anthony Zettel at 5. Zettel is probably the best player there now and went undrafted.
2010 - Gholston was a good player and a 5 star. Max Bullough at 6, Hankins at 8. Tony Lippert at 19! One could argue #19 was the best player at least NFL wise.
Only 1 first round pick in 7 years (might be a lower rated kids name that I didn't pick up)... Aside from 2010 at MSU, Michigan recruiting doesn't change the fate of a program. There hasn't been one good QB.
My point is that Michigan would not have been a National Championship contender if it landed every top 10 player in the state of Michigan every year, it probably wouldn't have even made the top 10, christ or 20... Getting all the Michigan players hasn't really or wouldn't really have made us a better team.
Maybe they are not prioritising Michigan kids because historically they just haven't turned out to be that good. Looking back over 247 to 2013 the top three players are probably Hill, Lewis and Damon Webb. It isn't a huge sample size but they haven't gotten lot of value out of winning the Michigan battles. I know you have to win your back yard but whoever has won the state recently hasn't gotten a lot out of it.
UM outscored MSU 3-0 in the third quarter, MSU got less than 40 total yards in the quarter and held the ball for only 4 min. How does that qualify as "outplaying Michigan". It was 30-10 in the 4th quarter...
Hi, I have been viewing for years, I love the content and the hard work Brian, Seth and Ace do. I appreciate it and the Michigan community is better for it.
I do hope you clean up some of the negativity and crazy statements. At the very least none of it should be flying towards Mgoblog.
I am in NZ, ESPN shows the games live, I was fortunate enough to watch this morning. Obviously 1 day later and 7 hours earlier than you would normally expect. Hopefully the place you are staying has espn aus.
I married a kiwi and over the past 6 or 7 years have gotten to know rugby well and often thought about comparisons. NFL football is far more violent, rugby has rules inplace for high hits, hard hits and hits where you lift a players legs off the ground. I don't think I would want to be in a scrum or a ruck and those appear to be pretty much unregulated and a free for all. Regarding the players and if NFL players would dominate, I simply have to assume they would. The New Zealand 100M record is in the low 10 second range, but the fastest yearly time recorded is usually not that fast and not even competitive at a national level highschool meet in the US. So I assume the US players would be much faster, I also think that some of the taller players from the US would be asignificant upgrade over those in Rugby. At the end of the day the US typically produces the best athletes in the world and I really question how athletic the players are from NZ, SA, AUS and ENG are. Aside from Australia they are simply not competitive with US athletes. They are both great games although my wife calls US football players, rugby players in costumes. She can't stand the constant stop and go and has never been able to adapt to the slow pace. Which this years bowl season took it to a whole new level and was more of a commercial with football intermingled that a football game and I almost found it intolerable, but that is a seperate conversation.
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State us having an ok year recruiting coming off a 10 win season. The state of Michigan has a lot of highly rated recruits this year and a lot are leaving the state. You have to figure that 'Rape U' played a pretty big part in that. Michigan doesn't seem to have as strong of relationships with this class, but has cleaned up in recent years. It will get back on track. A lot of the top 10 players decided to leave the state as opposed to go to Michigan State. MSU has 2 top 10 players, UM has 2, 5 are leaving and 1 is uncommitted. MSU has a lot of lower rated kids (6 players ranked 11-36) and might pick up a couple more but the state of Michigan historically has not produced a lot of strong players, especially with lower rankings.
I agree Michigan has to have better relationships in its back yard. I tend to think a winning season will do a lot for Michigan recruiting. I would prefer it do more for us nationally than in our back yard, but I am sure it will do both.
Dantonio has been a great coach, you can't fault a kid for playing football at MSU. The school has been horrible and I can't imagine why any parent would even consider allowing their child to attend MSU, even for free. What happened is appalling! I suspect that is at least a decent part of the reason MSU has not done better in state this year or out of state for that matter.
MSU's top 4 recruits (1 - 5* and 1 - 4*) are from the state of Michigan, aside from that they have no 4 stars and only 1 kid ranked in the top 500. I have to think 'Rape U' has something to do with that.
Regarding point number 2. There just haven't been many stars from Michigan, but a lot of replaceable players. If you go back to 2010 this is the list of impact players.
2016 - Top two performers are arguably 11 & 12 (Josh Jackson & David Reese). Jordan has been playing at OSU, Hill has been good at Michigan, Onwenu is barely hanging on as a starter. This was MSU’s destruction year.
2014 and 15 were virtual blow outs. In 2015 a back up (Weber) and John Kelly at 8. 2014 a program crusher in McDowell, Webb was ok/not drafted player.
2013 - Lewis and Hill jump out on that list, Elmer at ND.
2012 - Funchess was the highest pick but had very little impact on the program, Braden, Ross and Godin were consistent type contributors, Burbridge was a decent player (6th round pick) but not a game changer.
2011 - Thomas Rawls at 15, Jake Duzey at 13! Jake Fisher at 8(2nd round pick), Anthony Zettel at 5. Zettel is probably the best player there now and went undrafted.
2010 - Gholston was a good player and a 5 star. Max Bullough at 6, Hankins at 8. Tony Lippert at 19! One could argue #19 was the best player at least NFL wise.
Only 1 first round pick in 7 years (might be a lower rated kids name that I didn't pick up)... Aside from 2010 at MSU, Michigan recruiting doesn't change the fate of a program. There hasn't been one good QB.
My point is that Michigan would not have been a National Championship contender if it landed every top 10 player in the state of Michigan every year, it probably wouldn't have even made the top 10, christ or 20... Getting all the Michigan players hasn't really or wouldn't really have made us a better team.
Maybe they are not prioritising Michigan kids because historically they just haven't turned out to be that good. Looking back over 247 to 2013 the top three players are probably Hill, Lewis and Damon Webb. It isn't a huge sample size but they haven't gotten lot of value out of winning the Michigan battles. I know you have to win your back yard but whoever has won the state recently hasn't gotten a lot out of it.
UM outscored MSU 3-0 in the third quarter, MSU got less than 40 total yards in the quarter and held the ball for only 4 min. How does that qualify as "outplaying Michigan". It was 30-10 in the 4th quarter...
I do hope you clean up some of the negativity and crazy statements. At the very least none of it should be flying towards Mgoblog.
I am in NZ, ESPN shows the games live, I was fortunate enough to watch this morning. Obviously 1 day later and 7 hours earlier than you would normally expect. Hopefully the place you are staying has espn aus.
Hi,
I married a kiwi and over the past 6 or 7 years have gotten to know rugby well and often thought about comparisons. NFL football is far more violent, rugby has rules inplace for high hits, hard hits and hits where you lift a players legs off the ground. I don't think I would want to be in a scrum or a ruck and those appear to be pretty much unregulated and a free for all. Regarding the players and if NFL players would dominate, I simply have to assume they would. The New Zealand 100M record is in the low 10 second range, but the fastest yearly time recorded is usually not that fast and not even competitive at a national level highschool meet in the US. So I assume the US players would be much faster, I also think that some of the taller players from the US would be asignificant upgrade over those in Rugby. At the end of the day the US typically produces the best athletes in the world and I really question how athletic the players are from NZ, SA, AUS and ENG are. Aside from Australia they are simply not competitive with US athletes. They are both great games although my wife calls US football players, rugby players in costumes. She can't stand the constant stop and go and has never been able to adapt to the slow pace. Which this years bowl season took it to a whole new level and was more of a commercial with football intermingled that a football game and I almost found it intolerable, but that is a seperate conversation.